Something that may interest you guys, need input...

[wiggyx]

I'm guessing that many of you have seen the console-ized MVS Neo Geos on eBay and whatnot, and possibly even the awesomely beautiful and well crafted wooden MVS units (http://www.analogueinteractive.com/). In the same vein, I am working on new casings for retro systems. I'm not taking about cheesy clear replica Xbox360 shells with a zillion LEDs and liquid cooling. What I am shooting for is a re-envisioned aesthetic for some of our favorite old-school machines!

Here's my rationale for the project:

Many of us old-school gamers are adults with "real" jobs, wives/long-term girlfriends/domestic partners, houses and kids of our own. I can't speak for all of your partners, but mine doesn't really care for the look of my bright orange N64 or the frumpiness of the Super Nintendo. Not to mention that many of us are being paid well over what we made at our minimum wage burger flipper jobs in high school, so we have some disposable income to throw at our hobby instead of having to save our allowance week-to-week, month-to-month just to afford a new "game tape".

The inconsistent design of all the various consoles is another issue I want to address. Optimally, I'd like to create new cases for as many of the older consoles as possible with a similar aesthetic in the way that various pieces of high-end stereo equipment look like they belong together.




http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/p1063027891-3.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/2855135594_282dae63cc.jpg



On the other hand, some of you may want something that's closer to the other end of the spectrum. Maybe something like a prototype design that was left on the cutting room floor?



http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/PS1concepts001.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/snes_us.jpg


I've decided to start with the SNES mini. I've wanted one for a long time, and this gave me an excuse to make that purchase. Also, it's super compact, which gives me a lot of freedom to alter the appearance without having to make it any larger. In fact, the gutty-wuts are significantly smaller than the original plastic housing. With that in mind, I plan on a final product that's actually a fair amount more compact. I just finished mocking up the guts as a template and I'd like to get moving on a design as soon as possible.




http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/1.png

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/2.png


So, I'm here to ask for your input. I know what I want, but not at all what everyone else wants and I'd like to turn this into something that gives me and my little one man design firm some extra business.

Here's what need from you:


Crazy spaceship looking, high-design, or something else?

What consoles would you like to see re-shelled?

What price would you be comfortable paying for an item like this?

Do you want extra features or not? Things like lighting, custom paint, personal logos and whatnot, etc.

Do you want to re-case the console yourself, or have me provide a service?

Do you want to preserve the original state of the internals? I.e. Do you want to be able to easily slap the guts back into the original shell, or are you interested in something that has been modified to fit into a vastly different casing, or has repositioned switches, or whatever?

Are you even interested in this idea at all?




Here's a concept that I mocked up over the last couple of days. Again, I would love to hear your opinions, good or bad. I want to create a product that appeals to as many people as possible, obviously. Here's your chance to have a say in what a product like this could look like, how it performs, what options are available, etc. So speak up! :D

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/SNESminirev0front3Qrender2.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/SNESminirev0front3Qrender1.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/SNESminirev0front3Qrender3.jpg


Thanks,
wiggy

[theclaw]

I'd like seeing concepts for 2 slot MVS drawn up. Something simple yet improves dust protection (SNK metal covers leave areas exposed since they're supposed to be kept out-of-sight in arcade cabs). That also clearly speaks "console" at first glance. No goofiness.

As if an alternate history where AES had never even been conceived, and SNK was foolhardy enough to attempt competing mass market directly SNES/Genesis despite the steep Neo Geo price point.

2 slot's bulk has long been a barrier to neat design. Most efforts at looking good focus on the more compact single slot boards.
Maybe sliding cart slot cover like Master System II? Door flaps could work but I'm not sure how well at that size. The number of I/O ports is an issue too. 2 slot has headphone jacks, controller ports, mem card slot, JAMMA edge...

I don't think more than about $300 at most is much appeal to me. Prefer not to have to mod the board to get it into a case. Keeping it basic would improve my chances at being able to install myself.

[wiggyx]

I'd like seeing concepts for 2 slot MVS drawn up. Something simple yet improves dust protection (SNK metal covers leave areas exposed since they're supposed to be kept out-of-sight in arcade cabs). That also clearly speaks "console" at first glance. No goofiness.

As if an alternate history where AES had never even been conceived, and SNK was foolhardy enough to attempt competing mass market directly SNES/Genesis despite the steep Neo Geo price point.

2 slot's bulk has long been a barrier to neat design. Most efforts at looking good focus on the more compact single slot boards.
Maybe sliding cart slot cover like Master System II? Door flaps could work but I'm not sure how well at that size. The number of I/O ports is an issue too. 2 slot has headphone jacks, controller ports, mem card slot, JAMMA edge...

I don't think more than about $300 at most is much appeal to me. Prefer not to have to mod the board to get it into a case. Keeping it basic would improve my chances at being able to install myself.

MVS units are literally next in line after the SNES mini, so keep an eye out ;)

Ports and whatnot aren't a huge issue. I can find a way to design around them, even if it means a flip up/down door to hide them when not in use. I can even extend ports to another area if need be with a little work. I know they're a bit trickier than a traditional console, nothing is really out of the realm of possibility. Will it be bulkier than a 1-slot? For sure, but that doesn't mean it can't look good!

I've really been leaning towards a simple plug-n-play design initially, like you're describing. I personally have little desire to mod the crap out of dozens of old boards, and it's not something that everyone else can and/or is willing to do. If I have some success with this project, then maybe I'll end up doing some "special edition" cases that are more complex and require hardware modification, but it's not really where I wanted to start.

Thanks for the reply!

[SpaceHarrier]

I really like the 2nd to last SNES box (white one). Simple, yet stylish.

[stalepie]

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[stalepie]

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[Cornelius]

Neat idea, but realistically not something I'd be likely to ever spend money on. Gotta save the cash for teh gaemz.

That said, my preference would be for a standardized set. By that I mean a single form factor for all my classics. I think the simplicity and size of the Wii is very attractive, so having an NES, SNES, N64, and Wii all in that same form factor would be pretty slick. Maybe something similar with the Sega line.

[TonyTheTiger]

Many of us old-school gamers are adults with "real" jobs

Quit braggin'.


wives/long-term girlfriends/domestic partners, houses and kids of our own.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg


many of us are being paid well over what we made at our minimum wage burger flipper jobs

You just really want to hurt me.


So, I'm here to ask for your input. I know what I want, but not at all what everyone else wants

I think overall I'd like to see some of the proto designs come to life. While the sleek AV Equipment designs are pleasing in a non-intrusive way, they also lack character. But then again I'm a traditionalist in that I'm not a big fan of extensive modding.

[G-Boobie]

You're exceptionally talented, Wiggyx. I like everything you've posted, but especially the black and purple SNES. When you get an MVS system into production, I'm just gonna go ahead and mail you my wallet. I'm serious. If you get an MVS system with RGB out in a nice, sleek, slot-protected format, we're in business. I'm not picky about the guts: just so long as they work, I'm cool.

What kind of manufacturing process are you using for the plastics?

[Edmond Dantes]

I dunno about "re-shelling" consoles... I kinda like them the way they are...

But one thing I personally would like is a Gameboy Advance (or a GBA SP) in a shell that closely approximates the original Gameboy's size, thickness, and screen size. The SP works if you put handlebars on it, but while playing some games (such as Operation C) I find sometimes its too easy to press the wrong direction because of how small the d-pad is. And, uh, yeah... needing HANDLE BARS to make it comfortable.

[wiggyx]

I really like the 2nd to last SNES box (white one). Simple, yet stylish.

Thanks!


Neat idea, but realistically not something I'd be likely to ever spend money on. Gotta save the cash for teh gaemz.

That said, my preference would be for a standardized set. By that I mean a single form factor for all my classics. I think the simplicity and size of the Wii is very attractive, so having an NES, SNES, N64, and Wii all in that same form factor would be pretty slick. Maybe something similar with the Sega line.

LOL, I hear ya.

That's exactly the plan that I've been concocting. Shared forms would really help tie a collection together IMO.


Quit braggin'.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg

You just really want to hurt me.

I think overall I'd like to see some of the proto designs come to life. While the sleek AV Equipment designs are pleasing in a non-intrusive way, they also lack character. But then again I'm a traditionalist in that I'm not a big fan of extensive modding.

The line has been pretty split along "high design" and "protos come to life".

All of those protos would take a lot of work. 45° cart slots, pop-up cart slots, shoving a PS1 and SNES into a single box and figuring out some sort of front loading door mechanism, etc. They can be done, but it'll require a lot more work (and thus more $$$).


You're exceptionally talented, Wiggyx. I like everything you've posted, but especially the black and purple SNES. When you get an MVS system into production, I'm just gonna go ahead and mail you my wallet. I'm serious. If you get an MVS system with RGB out in a nice, sleek, slot-protected format, we're in business. I'm not picky about the guts: just so long as they work, I'm cool.

What kind of manufacturing process are you using for the plastics?

Thanks!

LOL! I'll definitely make sure to keep you all clued in as far as new products go. I think the MVS is really going to be the big seller since there's no such thing as an existing MVS console, having one custom made is really the ONLY option and I'd like to try and provide the best option possible as far as looks and ease of use are concerned.

I'm not 100% sure on what materials or processes I'll be using at this point. I have ideas, but until I consult with the company that will be doing the manufacturing next week, I can't be sure. This isn't something that I'll be having large gang molds made for any time soon, if ever. It'll end up being a low volume process no matter what, whether that means 3D printing, silicone molds, etc. Once I have some prices I'll make some choices based on price, fit and finish, and turn around time. I will definitely be posting updates here as they happen :)



I dunno about "re-shelling" consoles... I kinda like them the way they are...

But one thing I personally would like is a Gameboy Advance (or a GBA SP) in a shell that closely approximates the original Gameboy's size, thickness, and screen size. The SP works if you put handlebars on it, but while playing some games (such as Operation C) I find sometimes its too easy to press the wrong direction because of how small the d-pad is. And, uh, yeah... needing HANDLE BARS to make it comfortable.


It's not gonna be for everyone, and I totally understand that.

As far as the GBA goes, if there's enough demand for something like that, then I'll most definitely explore it. I've started with the SNES mini mostly because I know the SNES has a very strong following and because the mini is about the simplest console to re-shell that I can think of. There's like 9 screws that hold everything together and ANYONE could easily swap the internals into another shell with zero tech or mechanical knowledge. In fact, my mother and wife will be my lead testers when it comes time to write up instructions for the swap. Neither of them are at all suited for the job. If I can get them do do the swap without much fuss, then ANY of you guys should be able to do so without an once of effort or thought.

[Parodius Duh!]

Awesome idea. Id really like to see a new genesis/sega cd Unit that combines both hardware pieces into a single unit BUT in a stacked form instead of it being all lengthy like an X Eye or combo....

[ApolloBoy]

This would be a great alternative for systems that have cracked or otherwise mangled cases too. I also think it'd be great if these cases had some modding potential, like say if you wanted to add S-video or standard RCA jacks.

[Aussie2B]

Hey, what about those of us that ARE the women in our relationships? :P I have no problem with the aesthetics of my consoles, but I might be interested in a shell for a MVS 2-slot. We're planning on rebuilding it, and we'll have to do something about the housing. Although we're more interested in something that's functional and decent looking, rather than something that's super fancy and mega expensive.

[wiggyx]

Awesome idea. Id really like to see a new genesis/sega cd Unit that combines both hardware pieces into a single unit BUT in a stacked form instead of it being all lengthy like an X Eye or combo....

That's entirely doable I can get enough support to warrant putting something like that together. A lot of people have expressed interest in combined units. Stuff as simple as the Neptune combo all the way up to a functional SNES/Playstation (working SNES and PS1 in a shell like the concept build above). It can all be done, but the price for items like that will be FAR greater. A lot more than a simple shell swap.

If there's enough demand, I'll make it happen :D


This would be a great alternative for systems that have cracked or otherwise mangled cases too. I also think it'd be great if these cases had some modding potential, like say if you wanted to add S-video or standard RCA jacks.

Adding pop-outs or variant rear/face plates for that sort of thing would be a snap! When I move on to consoles like the CMVS, then I'll really put some thought and research into what additional options I should consider offering spots for and how to implicate such things.


Hey, what about those of us that ARE the women in our relationships? :P I have no problem with the aesthetics of my consoles, but I might be interested in a shell for a MVS 2-slot. We're planning on rebuilding it, and we'll have to do something about the housing. Although we're more interested in something that's functional and decent looking, rather than something that's super fancy and mega expensive.

For the gamer couple, may I suggest his and hers custom consoles? I will gladly offer package pricing ;)

Lemme guess, mounted to a plastic cutting board with just the metal/plastic shroud that came with it? I see 'em all the time and I've even build a few that way myself. It's cheap and it works. Puts a nasty strain on the eye though. Gotta keep those bad boys behind closed doors. Nobody but the most hardcore gamer is gonna want to take a look at something like that. I know I keep mine shoved away in a closed door bookcase :P

Functional and good looking are pretty much goal number 1. I want these to be affordable, desirable, and useful above all else.


This is really helpful feedback guys AND gals, thanks! Keep the comments coming. It only serves to help ensure a product better suited to your needs and wants :)

[kedawa]

I just use my PC.

[wiggyx]

How about a PC case that looks like a TurboGrafx? :P

[kedawa]

That could be interesting.

[shadowkn55]

You're exceptionally talented, Wiggyx. I like everything you've posted, but especially the black and purple SNES. When you get an MVS system into production, I'm just gonna go ahead and mail you my wallet. I'm serious. If you get an MVS system with RGB out in a nice, sleek, slot-protected format, we're in business. I'm not picky about the guts: just so long as they work, I'm cool.

What kind of manufacturing process are you using for the plastics?

I have exactly what you're looking for. I made an aes-style cmvs system that outputs it all (composite, s-video, component, and rgb). Made from scratch using custom molded plastic.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/shadowkn55/omega_vs_aes.png

[kedawa]

That looks amazing. The style and materials look dead on.

[theclaw]

Oooh. Hope is not lost for my beast.

[wiggyx]

Despite beeing quite ill this week, I made a little progress.

Created info label for the bottom of the system and got a price quote. They'll be silver foil stickers just like on the original units :)

Meeting on Monday with manufacturer at about noon, Eastern Standard time. I should have at least an idea about pricing at that point.

Looking at prices for wireless controller parts. I don't really want to redesign controllers since it would be extra work, extra $$$, and sorta pointless since the SNES controller is such an excellent design in the 1st place. If I do, it won't be a "re-design" so much as a revision that would allow me to more easily pack wireless bits inside and mount points for a discreet on/off switch & LED indicator.


I will be offering S-Video and SCART upgrades to those that are interested. The parts are cheap, and I'll save headache by pre-wiring "kits" so that I can just slap em in without having to measure wire length and whatnot for every unit that I mod. *110% worth it IMO.

Not much else going on. New rendering software doesn't like my video card. So no new renders yet. Gonna pull out the old PC and try on it instead.

More to come...

[Clownzilla]

How about a PC case that looks like a TurboGrafx? :P

In all seriousness I have always thought a "consolized" computer would be a great idea. A computer that is designed from the ground up as a console system similar to you above designs. Just don't install software or you might have some legal issues:)

[wiggyx]

Didn't somebody try and bring something like that to the market in the late 90s/early 00s? I feel like there was an article in EGM at some point...


I think it's a great idea, but might be tough to pull off. I don't know much, if anything, about PC gaming. I do know that the really hardcore guys like to build some wild towers with all sorts of custom bits. I wonder if there's a market for what amounts to a custom PC enclosure that appears more like a console or piece of A/V equipment. Hell, that's basically what the original Xbox was.

From a technical standpoint, it would be a piece of cake to model something like that up. PC boards, graphics cards, optical and hard drives share pretty similar sizes and dimensions and most everything can be connected via ribbon cables, so as long as there's room and a spot for each piece of harware in the box, getting everything connected shouldn't take much work at all.

It's definitely something that I'll put on my list of possibilities. I know I'd love something like that. Having a standard looking black tower in my entertainment center isn't preferable, but that's what works at the moment.

[wiggyx]

Had a great meeting with the manufacturer today! This project seems entirely doable on almost any scale, whether I sell 5 or 5,000 ;D Material choices ended up being a lot more plentiful than expected. Here's a little teaser...

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/12.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/11.jpg

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Of course plastics are still in as well.

So, I need to crank out a complete assembly of parts (what you guys are looking at was build as one, solid chunk for appearance purposes). I hope you guys are as excited as I am! If all goes well, I should have the 1st prototype in my hands in about 2-3 weeks, tops.

Once I have some prices sorted out, I'll probably build a kickstarter page. I don't need a big startup fund, but it would help me create a far more complete product (packaging, website, etc.). I'm thinking polished aluminum and purple heart for the $1,000 donation mark...

[wiggyx]

Quick update. The doors in the front were going to make the unit a bit too pricey. The controller ports are obviously exposed now, but still rather tidy IMO. Does that bother anyone terribly?

Hopefully I'll have the model ready for a prototype by Friday.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/progress2.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/progress1.jpg

[o.pwuaioc]

Even with exposed controller ports, you should have no problem getting to $1000. However, will it only fit the mini?

[wiggyx]

Good to hear!

Yes, this case/shell is for the mini/SNS-101 only. Buuut, the SNES fat/SNS-001 is the 3rd item on my list of consoles to tackle (right after the Neo Geo MVS 1 and/or 2 slot). Being that there aren't any upfront tooling costs for these products, there's no reason that I can't develop shell after shell after shell without any break/pause in between or having to worry about selling a certain volume of one to pay for R&D costs for the next design. Well, some worry, as a LOT of my time goes into the design and engineering. But there's very little actual money spent to develop these. The cost of a prototype or two is about all it costs me besides my time.

Maybe I should add a poll to help me determine the next few consoles to tackle...

[RyanLec84]

Wiggy>> This a fantastic thread you started! You have some SUPER (uh... no pun intended) design ideas, and I can't wait for them to come to complete fruition. Most interesting, indeed. Love it when you think "outside of the box"! :-D Although, even being older, don't have that much more "disposable income" since my teen days. Yes, the money's better... but everything just keeps getting more expensive... hahaha!!!!!

Seriously though, you have some fantastic ideas, and I can't wait to see the evolution of your process. Cheers! :)

[RyanLec84]

WIGGY>> This may have already been discussed... but are you dead-set against any LED's? The one thing that has always bothered me about the SNES mini is no power on LED. It could still be done cleanly, ellegently, in your context. I found this image from a defunct thread on Racket Boy to set the example. I apologize to not credit whom the image belongs to, who did the actual work>>> it did not say!5209

[wiggyx]

Wiggy>> This a fantastic thread you started! You have some SUPER (uh... no pun intended) design ideas, and I can't wait for them to come to complete fruition. Most interesting, indeed. Love it when you think "outside of the box"! :-D Although, even being older, don't have that much more "disposable income" since my teen days. Yes, the money's better... but everything just keeps getting more expensive... hahaha!!!!!

Seriously though, you have some fantastic ideas, and I can't wait to see the evolution of your process. Cheers! :)

Thanks!

Man, I hear ya. The more my wife and I make, the more it seems we HAVE to spend :/


WIGGY>> This may have already been discussed... but are you dead-set against any LED's? The one thing that has always bothered me about the SNES mini is no power on LED. It could still be done cleanly, ellegently, in your context. I found this image from a defunct thread on Racket Boy to set the example. I apologize to not credit whom the image belongs to, who did the actual work>>> it did not say!5209


Not at all! I was just saying that I'm trying to avoid stuff like this:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080404131428/egamia/images/6/6b/Enter.jpg


I have a purple power LED in one of my mini SNES units actually.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/8ee66186.jpg

That's one of the mods that I plan on offering with the shell actually. I still haven't figured out exactly where I am going to integrate the light into my design, but I'll come up with something ;)

[jperryss]

WIGGY>> This may have already been discussed... but are you dead-set against any LED's? The one thing that has always bothered me about the SNES mini is no power on LED. It could still be done cleanly, ellegently, in your context. I found this image from a defunct thread on Racket Boy to set the example. I apologize to not credit whom the image belongs to, who did the actual work>>> it did not say!5209

That is my console and it looks like that pic was "borrowed" from the modder that did the work. Hiding a power LED under the power switch was actually my idea :D but he brought it to life and made it look very clean.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/433791/snesled1.jpg

We also did a similar mod with my mini NES:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/433791/nesled.jpg

[wiggyx]

That trick seems to work REALLY well on the NES mini! Looks great!

[o.pwuaioc]

Looks great on both! When I get my TopLoader modded for composite, I'll probably try to get something like that done, too.

[rob black]

Looks awesome. I'm definitely interested. You should make some gamecube cases that accept full sized DVD's and a new sega saturn case would be awesome.

Keep up the good work

[jperryss]

Looks great on both! When I get my TopLoader modded for composite, I'll probably try to get something like that done, too.

Without jacking this thread too much, it's actually a clear textured plastic "window" with an LED behind it. That's what gives it more of an even glow instead of a single point of light like a typical LED.

It's also A/V modded. :D

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/433791/AV%20web%201.jpg

[RyanLec84]

Wiggy>> I hear ya! :-/ And... EGHADS!!! I figured that's what you meant, but that's...um... wow! I've never seen a console modded with so many lights that the cosmo and astronauts could see it from the International Space Station! My eyes hurt!!

jperryss>> I hope no hard feelings about the pic. I found it on Yahoo Images to prove my point. But when I clicked on the pic itself, it brought me to the Racket Boy forums, with a thread that "no longer exists". I must say... some truely gorgeous work, sir! May I ask who did the modding? I would love to get my Mini repaired, and other consoles A/V modded. But me and electronics is like a group of monkeys given a Furby... Scratching my head, jumping up and down, making loud screeching sounds!! @_@ :roll:

[MarioMania]

What's the price point for the New SNES??

[wiggyx]

Not sure at this point. Once I have the model sent off for prototyping I will get estimates for various processes and materials. I should know in a week or two. I'll keep you posted :)

[jperryss]

jperryss>> I hope no hard feelings about the pic. I found it on Yahoo Images to prove my point. But when I clicked on the pic itself, it brought me to the Racket Boy forums, with a thread that "no longer exists". I must say... some truely gorgeous work, sir! May I ask who did the modding? I would love to get my Mini repaired, and other consoles A/V modded. But me and electronics is like a group of monkeys given a Furby... Scratching my head, jumping up and down, making loud screeching sounds!! @_@ :roll:


Heh, no worries. I'll PM you.

[Breetai]

I have exactly what you're looking for. I made an aes-style cmvs system that outputs it all (composite, s-video, component, and rgb). Made from scratch using custom molded plastic.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/shadowkn55/omega_vs_aes.png

Oh, I like that! I'm pondering getting more into Neo Geo eventually. I had an AES before (sold it) and a CD system now. I've love an AES, but it makes zero financial sense to get one. A CMVS makes much more sense, but I really love having original consoles. I wonder how possible it would be to get an exact look alike of the AES, but have it be a CMVS?

[wiggyx]

It's entirely possible, but you'll need a donor AES in order to do so, which obviously doesn't cut down on the price at all :/

[wiggyx]

Model is done! Here's a quick preview of one of the parts. There ended up being a lot more engineering required than I initially thought, but it's all sorted out now and everything works without issue (in the model at least). Hopefully I'll have a prototype in a week or two!

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/Finaltopfront.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/Finaltopback.jpg

[substantial_snake]

This is a great idea and I would be completely on-board except I run s-video through my snes and I don't think the Jr. had that option. :(

[wiggyx]

I will be offering S-Video and SCART upgrades to those that are interested. The parts are cheap, and I'll save headache by pre-wiring "kits" so that I can just slap em in without having to measure wire length and whatnot for every unit that I mod. *110% worth it IMO.


This is a great idea and I would be completely on-board except I run s-video through my snes and I don't think the Jr. had that option. :(


See my previous post ;)

[substantial_snake]

And now I feel like a total tool..I read most of the thread and must of skimmed over that part. lol

Anyways yeah I am really interested in this then, cutting down on space in a nice shell is something I would throw some money towards.

[MarioMania]

How does it stack up to the Model 1 SNES??

[wiggyx]

Do you mean in terms of picture quality?

[MarioMania]

Like the size

[wiggyx]

It'll be roughly the same size as the SNES mini.

SNS-101 - 187mm wide, 182mm deep, 66mm tall

Wiggy SNS - 178mm wide, 176mm deep, 61.5mm tall

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNS-101dimensions2.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNS-101dimensions1.jpg



Also, in case people haven't already seen millions of comparison shots, here are 3 of my SNES units running S-Video.

SNES 1 - APU-1 (I can't find much info about this particular board out there, but its output seems very close to the 1-chip)

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNESAPU-1.jpg


SNES 1 - 1-chip

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNES1-chip.jpg


SNES 2 - S-Video mod

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/SNESmini1.jpg


The mini is far and away the sharpest picture.

[substantial_snake]

Forgive me if this is stupid but I'm not sure how the S-Video and RBG mods work.

Are they mutually exclusive or can you have both S-video and RGB output as options?

[wiggyx]

As best I can tell, there's no reason that both mods can't be don't to the same system. I'll do a little more research to make sure, but it doesn't seem like it would be an issue :)

[Kiddo]

Hey, silly idea time.

Can you do something combining the Satellaview and the Super Famicom/SNES/clone in one unit, akin to Sega's CDX/Wondermega for the SCD/Genesis?
-Especially- if you can simplify the setup, and perhaps make it smaller (I'd imagine it can theoretically be as small as two SNES Jr.'s taped together), I think it'd be a neat idea.

(Modding the Satellaview A/V Selector so it can do better than composite A/V might be cool as well.)

[wiggyx]

Why would you want to do that though? The Satellaview is useless (don't get me wrong, I actually have one, but it's just a show piece at best).

[Kiddo]

Why would you want to do that though? The Satellaview is useless (don't get me wrong, I actually have one, but it's just a show piece at best).

Currently, yes, but when we're talking about homebrewers and modders, it's probably a good idea to think ahead. It's very possible the work being done (http://bsxproj.superfamicom.org/) on "simulating" the Satellaview's online functions (http://nocash.emubase.de/sns.htm) could lead to the hardware being able to be used for something close to it's original functions again.

At the very worst, it still does -something- which causes some compatibility differences on the sd2snes.

Besides, hardware mods tend to be more for cool factor than function to begin with.

[theclaw]

Space for region switches is more useful. SNES Jr was never released in PAL. It must use some form of adapter or mod to play those games.

[wiggyx]

Currently, yes, but when we're talking about homebrewers and modders, it's probably a good idea to think ahead. It's very possible the work being done (http://bsxproj.superfamicom.org/) on "simulating" the Satellaview's online functions (http://nocash.emubase.de/sns.htm) could lead to the hardware being able to be used for something close to it's original functions again.

At the very worst, it still does -something- which causes some compatibility differences on the sd2snes.

Besides, hardware mods tend to be more for cool factor than function to begin with.

Wow, it'd be really cool to get some use out of that stupid thing!

But, as far as custom shells go, there's NO way the market is big enough to support a case for the Satellaview. I can't imagine I'd ever sell ore than a couple, at best.


Space for region switches is more useful. SNES Jr was never released in PAL. It must use some form of adapter or mod to play those games.


The rear of the unit has a fair amount of flat surface that switches could easily be mounted to, not to mention the existing plastic shroud that houses the power input and A/V out. The SNES mini has a big ol' blank spot where the RF out and channel switches were.

[wiggyx]

Well, the proto is on its way, but it's gonna need some color as its being machined from raw white ABS. So, I figured I'd ask you guys and gals for some opinions. I want to get a Kickstarter page up ASAP, and having some nice photos of a complete painted proto will obviously be a big plus. So, let me know what you think! Here are a few quickies to get started

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/1-2.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/6-1.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/7-1.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/4-1.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/2-2.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/5-1.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/8-1.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/3-1.jpg



I'm also considering making matching cart shells.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/9-1.jpg

[SpaceHarrier]

I want this. Stop making me want this!!

I like the matching cart idea. Even though I don't have any of the matching high-end equipment this project is styled after, I still like it. While I'd never convert any of the carts I've owned for years, I might purchase another copy of certain common games just to have that matching cart shell, perhaps just to have some unique items in my collection.

Shoot, I don't even have a mini snes... swapmeet time!

[wiggyx]

I want this. Stop making me want this!!

I like the matching cart idea. Even though I don't have any of the matching high-end equipment this project is styled after, I still like it. While I'd never convert any of the carts I've owned for years, I might purchase another copy of certain common games just to have that matching cart shell, perhaps just to have some unique items in my collection.

Shoot, I don't even have a mini snes... swapmeet time!

Check eBay for accessory-less units. You can find them fairly regularly for about 10-20 bucks as a bare unit. Of course, I'm assuming that you have a SNS-001 to borrow hookups and controllers from.

I've been stocking up on them for this project. I've got 6 right now ready to be torn down and re-cased ;)

[Robocop2]

Im not even a huge SNES guy and I'm already in love with the black one and the one that mimics the original colors :lovin:

[substantial_snake]

^^This

My two favorites are the black/grey variation fourth from the top and the version done up in SNES grey/purple. It'ed be pretty hard to chose between either of them.

Really like the idea of matching custom carts too, they have Super Everdrive/SD2SNES written all over them :p They would also be nice as replacements for any trashed carts found in the wild and as just an oddity in your collection.

[o.pwuaioc]

You should post these around other forums too, like Racketboy. Personally I really like both the black one and the gray/purple one, although I only like the gray and purple because there were the original colors. The red would clash too much with the rest of my consoles, although I know some people like collecting colored consoles.

[djshok]

Awesome idea. Id really like to see a new genesis/sega cd Unit that combines both hardware pieces into a single unit BUT in a stacked form instead of it being all lengthy like an X Eye or combo....

I'd pay good money for something that's a Genesis + Sega CD + 32X + Master System in one.

[Jaruff]

I'd pay good money for something that's a Genesis + Sega CD + 32X + Master System in one.

Funny you mention that; I actually have some design plans somewhere of a similar idea. Except in my diagram I used a JVC X'Eye since it uses the same laser deck as one of the Saturn models, leaning towards compatibility for that unit too with some modification. Maybe one day when I get the time. The plan was an "all-in-one" for my game room so I could put my actual systems away. I just have a habit of procrastinating on projects.

Doing a SMS + Genesis + SCD + 32X wouldn't even be very difficult; just extremely time consuming.

[wiggyx]

Prototype will be done tomorrow! Buuut, it's gonna be a week or two before it arrives. The company that's having the work done has another job that'll be done in a few days, so I'm gonna wait those few days to have it shipped (it's coming from China) in order to be lumped in with the other project to save some $$$ on shipping costs.

I'll probably have pics of the raw parts before they ship tomorrow or Friday. If they're worth showing, I'll post em up ASAP! I will also have a quote for tooling either today or tomorrow. One-off parts (CNC'd or additive rapid proto) are going to be far too pricey, so I'm gonna have to go with injection molded or possibly cast parts. For those of you that may want a more exotic material, wood, aluminum, or any other material that's soft enough to be CNC cut, that will still be an option. Once I'm a little closer to production I will gladly quote prices for one-off units. It's unlikely that I'll advertise prices for such things, since they'll all be one-off and prices will vary a great deal based on materials and finishes.

I should be able to get a kickstarter page up shortly after I get the quote for tooling and price-per-part. I'm pretty amped about the project still. I hope you guys and gals are still excited as well! Hopefully this will prove a viable product and we'll see a whole line of other products in the same vein :)

Still moving forward. Hang tight...

[wiggyx]

Prototype will be in my hands on Thursday! Have a good, safe 4th!

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/protopicsmall.jpg

(pay no attention to the cartridge bay doors not being flush. They have them stuffed in there upside-down)

[Jaruff]

Prototype will be in my hands on Thursday! Have a good, safe 4th!

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/protopicsmall.jpg

(pay no attention to the cartridge bay doors not being flush. They have them stuffed in there upside-down)

That looks incredible.

[substantial_snake]

It does look really nice, can't wait to see a molded/painted version!

[wiggyx]

Well, here it is, in all it's raw pigment-less glory!

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/DSC02653.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/DSC02654.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/DSC02656.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/DSC02657.jpg

And just so you can see how blah and transparent icky, yellow raw ABS is, check this sucker out.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/Game%20Stuff/Wiggy%20Console%20Shells/DSC02658.jpg

So, there are a few tiny adjustments that need to be made, but nothing of any real concern, which is great (obviously). So, I shold have tooling quotes tomorrow or Monday. Once I do, I can start working out a budget and get a kickstarter page up. Just gotta get this guy all painted up and looking good! Stay tuned...

[theMot]

I appreciate all the effort your putting into this and i dont want to be a downer but do we really need a new shell for the snes or any other console for that matter? Are people really going to pay for something like this? I think most people still into these systems appreciate them for what they are and wouldnt want to butcher them when push comes to shove. I noticed the analogue interactive example you gave at the start, its a really nice system, i have it, but its to play mvs carts of which the only other way to do so is with a cab, supergun or a glitchy aes converter. It a practical solution to a real problem and it oooks great to boot. But this? Im not so sure.

Just my 2 cents.

[theclaw]

This is a demonstration. The real challenge will be arcade boards. Countless different layouts, several of them far larger than any console. Yet they need it most. superguns can look ugly and often don't protect the board much if at all.

[kai123]

I appreciate all the effort your putting into this and i dont want to be a downer but do we really need a new shell for the snes or any other console for that matter? Are people really going to pay for something like this? I think most people still into these systems appreciate them for what they are and wouldnt want to butcher them when push comes to shove. I noticed the analogue interactive example you gave at the start, its a really nice system, i have it, but its to play mvs carts of which the only other way to do so is with a cab, supergun or a glitchy aes converter. It a practical solution to a real problem and it oooks great to boot. But this? Im not so sure.

Just my 2 cents.

You are not alone on that. I also think it looks like a Retro Duo..

[wiggyx]

It's obviously not for everybody. Nothing is.

I'd also like to clarify, again, that this shell requires ZERO modification to the original hardware. No "butchering" required.


I have no plans for doing arcade boards other than MVS. Like you said, too many configurations and whatnot. No way to make that a worthwhile enterprise unless I were to make them all by hand, which would cost a fortune.

[wiggyx]

Painted and assembled. I'm beat, so here are some quick cellphone pics until I get some better shots.*

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/1429f0c7.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/4a534249.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/d9ed32c8.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/6830a095.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/e1847711.jpg

Stay tuned...