E3 2012 apathy

[Retrocade Fantasia]

Anyone else just not caring about E3 this year? In past years I was excited for 5 hours of new game coverage on my TV. This year I'm just not feeling it. I'll probably watch the Microsoft Conference in vein hoping for a new IP for my system of Choice But overall MEH.

I don't think Sony has anything that's going to make me run out and Buy a Vita RIGHT F'N NOW (as opposed to EVENTUALLY) I don't think the Wii U is going to shatter the earth and I don't think Nintendo is going to win me over on the 3DS.

SO MEH

I do still want a VITA that thing is comfy to hold.

[swlovinist]

I always find that my initial feelings never match what is actually shown or announced.


Mostly I get overexcited about things announced and the games/systems end up being overhyped


I have low expectations this year about E3. I mostly wish that there would be a significant console price drop for the Xbox 360 and PS3. Instead, I am going to hear both probably add more crap to the base package that I dont want. Currently just dont have alot of faith that the Big three are moving in the right direction.

[kedawa]

E3 has become increasingly irrelevant over the years, and my interest has subsided.
I used to follow it religiously, and wanted desperately to attend one year, but now I'm content to read summaries of the keynotes the day after and have other noteworthy news filter down to me through forums and such.

[Graham Mitchell]

E3 represents the absolute worst of the hype machine. I buy games that sound cool to me. All I need is a brief description and maybe some screenshots, (or video if I'm lucky). All this promotion and hype is completely lost on me. It won't get me to buy a game.

I would assume that most people responding in this thread feel something similar about it. We're just not the target audience for it.

All this hype is to get people to buy games and systems who wouldn't normally do so (this is why the wii was so successful). It's not for us. We're better off ignoring it.

On a side note, I can't even tolerate watching stuff about gaming on g4. It's like they're trying to sell games to sports fans.


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[Aussie2B]

I honestly don't think I've ever cared about E3. Sometimes I hope for an announcement regarding a specific game, but I couldn't care less about the general press conferences from the hardware publishers and the like.

I did savor every bit of news from Space World once upon a time, back when I was hyped up about the Nintendo 64 and wanted to hear every snippet of news related to it. I also love reading old coverage of CES back in the '80s and '90s. I probably take more interest in these shows as a slice of game history than when they're current and talking about the future.

[BetaWolf47]

I'm excited about hearing about the Wii U, honestly. I'm probably more hyped about that than I should be. It's about the only thing I'm looking forward to, however.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

I'm excited about hearing about the Wii U, honestly. I'm probably more hyped about that than I should be. It's about the only thing I'm looking forward to, however.

Yeah I could really give two shits about Nintendo. Nintendo lost me when they stopped releasing fun games in favor of the same shit every year.

Now unless it's Mario, Zelda, Metriod or Kirby Nintendo doesn't care.

So I don't care either.

[Tupin]

I really only care about Nintendo's E3, since they never announce anything important at any other time.

Releasing the same thing over and over again is an industry problem, not just Nintendo. Too many sequels, but that's what people want. Are there any titles announced to be at E3 that aren't sequels? At least Nintendo isn't as bad as EA, Activision or Capcom.

I do like that bad E3 conferences can kill stupid ideas before people have to deal with them. When was the last time we saw Ubisoft's laser tag thing or the Wii Vitality Sensor? Thankfully, several E3s ago.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

Releasing the same thing over and over again is an industry problem, not just Nintendo. Too many sequels, but that's what people want.

Well that's why I'm all over Lolipop Chainsaw It's a new IP and it looks awesome!

[Bojay1997]

I really only care about Nintendo's E3, since they never announce anything important at any other time.

Releasing the same thing over and over again is an industry problem, not just Nintendo. Too many sequels, but that's what people want. Are there any titles announced to be at E3 that aren't sequels? At least Nintendo isn't as bad as EA, Activision or Capcom.

I do like that bad E3 conferences can kill stupid ideas before people have to deal with them. When was the last time we saw Ubisoft's laser tag thing or the Wii Vitality Sensor? Thankfully, several E3s ago.

Ubisoft's Battle Tag was released and there is quite a bit of niche use of it among laser tag enthusiasts. I have one and it's pretty amazing.

[joshnickerson]

Well that's why I'm all over Lolipop Chainsaw It's a new IP and it looks awesome!

You're right, it's totally original, no one's done an M-Rated, over-the-top beat-em-up/hack n slash with a dark, overly sexualized sense of humor before.
http://src.sencha.io/http://www.thunderboltgames.com/s/reviews/wii/nomoreheroes_1.jpg
http://www.ps3attitude.com/wp-content/gallery/bayonetta-new/bayonetta1.jpg
http://www.cheatcc.com/imageswii/onechanbara_000.jpg
...wait...

[BetaWolf47]

Yeah I could really give two shits about Nintendo. Nintendo lost me when they stopped releasing fun games in favor of the same shit every year.

Now unless it's Mario, Zelda, Metriod or Kirby Nintendo doesn't care.

So I don't care either.
That's the industry right now, unfortunately. You could probably count the amount of new worthwhile IP's from this console generation on one hand.

[Dr. BaconStein]

I tried to like it, I really did, but I'm done. Nobody wants to see Skype or Facebook apps and few actual games announced every year. Even some of the really impressive looking ones just end up in disappointment. I'm done riding the hype train. It's just a waste of time. I have more fun reading up on clone consoles and Chinese Android game systems which are actually a sincere attempt at marketing towards people like me and pushing things forward. But for now, it's time to retire from the mainstream market. It's all just... blah.

[Tupin]

You're right, it's totally original, no one's done an M-Rated, over-the-top beat-em-up/hack n slash with a dark, overly sexualized sense of humor before.
http://src.sencha.io/http://www.thunderboltgames.com/s/reviews/wii/nomoreheroes_1.jpg
http://www.ps3attitude.com/wp-content/gallery/bayonetta-new/bayonetta1.jpg
http://www.cheatcc.com/imageswii/onechanbara_000.jpg
...wait...
Yeah, and the first one was even a Suda 51 game. Then again, did many people like Shadows of the Damned? Speaking of weird games in that category, Catherine was outdone in terms of gameplay by an $8 3DS game.

Onechanbara differs from the other two you gave because Bayonetta and No More Heroes are good.

[The 1 2 P]

You're right, it's totally original, no one's done an M-Rated, over-the-top beat-em-up/hack n slash with a dark, overly sexualized sense of humor before...

While I see your point, he was most likely pointing out that more than just sequels get released every year.

On a completely unrelated note, your avatar was the most interesting/amusing thing that came out of that Nintendo Wii U special on Nintendo Direct roughly two hours ago. Hopefully "Not Specific Action Figure" gets his own game on Wii U.



You could probably count the amount of new worthwhile IP's from this console generation on one hand.

Thats highly subjective though. What I feel is worthwhile probably won't be what you feel is worthwhile and vise versa. While we have gotten alot of sequels this gen we have also got alot of original IP too.

[G-Boobie]

That's the industry right now, unfortunately. You could probably count the amount of new worthwhile IP's from this console generation on one hand.

It's possible that you're defining "new worthwhile IP's" as, "games I personally liked", but assuming that you're going with the actual definition, we have in no particular order:

Gears of War
Dead Space
Valkyria Chronicles
Castle Crashers
Uncharted
Demon's/Dark Souls
Assassin's Creed
Little Big Planet
Skullgirls
Dead Rising
Bioshock
Alan Wake
Blazblue
Modern Warfare
Borderlands
Mass Effect

There are more, but we're out of hands.

Jesus, people.

[Trebuken]

I do not enjoy it as much as I used too, but I still look forward to it. In recent years publishers have tried to make announcements pre-E3, which leaves E3 to primarily the big 3.

This year I think the big 3 have kept a lid on what's coming and there may be a couple of surprises.

[joshnickerson]

On a completely unrelated note, your avatar was the most interesting/amusing thing that came out of that Nintendo Wii U special on Nintendo Direct roughly two hours ago. Hopefully "Not Specific Action Figure" gets his own game on Wii U.


Or at least playable in the next Smash Bros.

[Griking]

Anyone else just not caring about E3 this year? In past years I was excited for 5 hours of new game coverage on my TV. This year I'm just not feeling it. I'll probably watch the Microsoft Conference in vein hoping for a new IP for my system of Choice But overall MEH.

I don't think Sony has anything that's going to make me run out and Buy a Vita RIGHT F'N NOW (as opposed to EVENTUALLY) I don't think the Wii U is going to shatter the earth and I don't think Nintendo is going to win me over on the 3DS.

SO MEH

I do still want a VITA that thing is comfy to hold.


I can't say that I ever cared about it. Its all just industry self hype.

[Griking]

That's the industry right now, unfortunately. You could probably count the amount of new worthwhile IP's from this console generation on one hand.

Another reason I love PC games.

[heybtbm]

Not sure how anyone could be apathetic about new consoles...

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7116/wiiucontroller.jpg

Maybe some of you are in the wrong hobby.

This is going to be an interesting next few days.

[kupomogli]

WTF is wrong with the ergonomics of Nintendo devices lately. Since the Gamecube, Nintendo has created the most uncomfortable devices both handheld and console. The Wiimote both regularly or as a rail gun shooter. They went from the amazing GBA to the GBA SP. The DS and DS Lite were actually more comfortable than the GBA SP, but still crap in comparison to any of their other systems. The 3DS feels more uncomfortable than the DS and DS Lite despite being the same design(L and R has even less room.) The new regular Wii U controller looks to be quite uncomfortable playing games, and then this new controller, the digital pad and the buttons look so far close to the center.

The PSP Go has shitty ergonomics. L and R, while being extremely nice, they have no room to rest your fingers, and there's only a bit of room on the front of the control pad. Thankfully the Dualshock 3 is usable and you can use the system as a portable "console" with component cables. Microsoft got it right with the 360 remote control, the regular Xbox controller sucking, but damn, Nintendo has did this for every console and portable since the Gamecube.

[Ryudo]

That's the industry right now, unfortunately. You could probably count the amount of new worthwhile IP's from this console generation on one hand.

Only going on memory here but

No More Heroes
Madworld
Pandoras Tower
Fragile Dreams
Infinite Space
Tokyo Beat Down
Captain Rainbow
Uncharted
Darksiders
Muramasa
Zak & Wiki
Tatsunoku vs Capcom
3D dot game heroes
Binary DOmain
Death Smiles
Sonic Sega all star racing
The World End With You
Hotel dusk
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Little Big Planet
Eternal Sonata

And many more. This gen has plenty

[Retrocade Fantasia]

Not sure how anyone could be apathetic about new consoles...

*picture of Nintendo's stupid bootleg of a 360 pad*

Maybe some of you are in the wrong hobby.

This is going to be an interesting next few days.

That new Console is from Nintendo, a Company that hasn't had a clue about true gamers since 2006

[Ryudo]

^ Been a "true" gamer since 1986 and Wii was my fave system this gen.


Not sure how anyone could be apathetic about new consoles...

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7116/wiiucontroller.jpg

Maybe some of you are in the wrong hobby.

This is going to be an interesting next few days.

I love it. Every controller Nintendo has made except NES has been comfy for me. despite having bigger hands.

[Orion Pimpdaddy]

I think people's apathy is probably the result of this current generation of consoles lasting way longer than previous generations. Not that I enjoy forking out money for new consoles every few years, but right now it feels like the industry isn't progressing.

[Ryudo]

I think people's apathy is probably the result of this current generation of consoles lasting way longer than previous generations. Not that I enjoy forking out money for new consoles every few years, but right now it feels like the industry isn't progressing.

Eh it's only been 6 years. Last gen was 6 years and the gen before it

[Retrocade Fantasia]

OH COME ONE the placement of everything couldn't be more awkward

[Ryudo]

OH COME ONE the placement of everything couldn't be more awkward

Oh you you held it to know this?

[Retrocade Fantasia]

Yes I have *rolls eyes*

You game as long as I have you just know

[Tupin]

Did "true" gamers buy enough Gamecubes to make Nintendo keep wanting to support only them? They found a niche that no one had filled and rode it from having the worst-selling console to the best.

This will at least allow devs to just port their other work to Wii U, so that's something.

[Ryudo]

Yes I have *rolls eyes*

You game as long as I have you just know

Yeah see I been gaming since the mid 80's

So that weak argument isn't going to hold

[Retrocade Fantasia]

When all the kids grow up and on to other things true gamers are all Nintendo will have left.

Forsake them and a 100+ company will cease to exist in 30 years maybe sooner.


Yeah see I been gaming since the mid 80's

So that weak argument isn't going to hold

JUST LOOK AT THAT STUPID THING the stick is too close to the buttons.

yeesh it's no

[Ryudo]

When all the kids grow up and on to other things true gamers are all Nintendo will have left.

Forsake them and a 100+ company will cease to exist in 30 years maybe sooner.



JUST LOOK AT THAT STUPID THING the stick is too close to the buttons.

yeesh it's no

So when you have no better comeback other than pre judging before trying it. You yell. Gotcha. Childish reactions and act smug about "gaming as long as you have..heh

Ok then. I rather hold it for myself then judge.

[The 1 2 P]

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7116/wiiucontroller.jpg

After watching that Nintendo Direct special earlier and seeing this pop on screen I was thinking "damn, they just pulled a Sony". But atleast this will be the most comfortable controller they have had since the Snes one. But one has to wonder why they didn't just go the full monty and offset the analog sticks as well. I also wonder if this will be playable with every Wii U game or only certain ones but I'm sure we will learn more over the next few days.

[Ryudo]

CCP copied sony kinda.

But it works. Looks like a 360 pad shape wise which is damn comfy. I don't know about the analog yet but when I get my hands on one I will see

[Ryudo]

Just pick up your 360 pad and my thumb was just over the buttons so where the analog is on that pad. Move my thumb to where the 360 analog is and it's where the buttons are on the wiiu pad. So if that is anything to go by then the placement would just take getting used to

[Retrocade Fantasia]

So when you have no better comeback other than pre judging before trying it. You yell. Gotcha. Childish reactions and act smug about "gaming as long as you have..heh

Ok then. I rather hold it for myself then judge.

Don't be a smart ass with me.

You'll learn soon enough I'm never wrong

[Ryudo]

Don't be a smart ass with me.

You'll learn soon enough I'm never wrong

HA! Oh god kids these days. Love it. Nice trolling. :ass:

[WCP]

e3 used to be one of the best things on Earth. I actually went to 3 different e3 shows. This was back in the late 90's before it was hard to get into the show without legit credentials, lol. Me and a bud had a fake video game business, who's only purpose was to get us into e3 every year. I went to e3 in 1999 and 2000. The 1999 one was especially amazing seeing the Dreamcast. Sega had a HUGE booth with tons of Dreamcast games. It looked extremely impressive. It's amazing to think in hindsight how much things have changed with the Dreamcast ultimately being a bomb. Back at that e3, it was amazing.

I also went to the 2000 e3, and that one was interesting because of the arrival of the PS2.


But the absolutely best e3 I ever went to, was e3 1996 and the launch of the Nintendo 64. I spent so much time in the Nintendo area playing WaveRace and Mario 64. The PS1 had an amazing e3 that year as well. Sony was feeling really confident at that e3.


Anyways, back to 2012. Yeah, modern day e3 is really lame in comparison to the e3's of the late 90's. New hardware is what everybody wants to see, because new hardware means new experiences. We're going to get that with the Wii U, and the only thing I'm worried about with the Wii U is whether Nintendo is going to have a killer Mario or Zelda or Donkey Kong game at launch. Remember the GameCube ? I have a hard time thinking that Nintendo has been slaving away for years and years on a new high-end Mario, and they are going to drop that bomb on Tuesday morning. I'd love for that to be true. Unfortunately, I think we are going to see 3rd party games like Aliens and Killer Freaks. Hopefully Nintendo will have something like WaveRace or F-Zero or maybe a Metroid. They need something to entice people to spend all that money in a down economy.. Anyways, the Nintendo show is going to be cool regardless, because it's the launch of their new system and we are going to learn lots of new details about the system and see real Wii U games. We will see if the system is beyond PS3 or 360 in graphical prowess. We'll learn much more about the controller.

On the Sony side, I own a PS Vita, and I'm also looking forward to Sony first-party games like "The Last of Us" and of course, Last Guardian. There should be a ton of Vita stuff shown off, because that system is going to have to sink or swim pretty soon. It's getting down to the nitty gritty with that. Sony should go all out showing off amazing Vita games. I don't expect to hear a peep about PS4. Maybe next year.

As for Microsoft, that's the one I'm least interested in. No info about the next Xbox means I have little reason to tune in. Halo 4 will be mostly a curiosity for me, just to see if 343 could do a decent Bungie impersonation. I'm not really a Halo guy, but it will be kinda interesting to see what the single player looks like. Call of Duty is not my cup o'tea, but I'm sure they will have a long demo of that. All the Kinect stuff and the apps and dashboard and Bing and all that crap. Don't really care. I'm gaming on PC now, and until MS comes with some new hardware, I just can't see get very exciting about anything 360. I'm sure they will have some exclusive footage of a huge 3rd party game ( GTA 5 ? ), and that will be really cool to watch, but all in all, I expect the MS conference to be quite boring.

The best thing about a Microsoft conference though, is the fact that it's always a bit goofy, a bit fake, and somewhat depressing. The executives come across as pretty phony. Where's Peter Moore when you need him? Or Jay Allard ?

[Aussie2B]

Not sure how anyone could be apathetic about new consoles...

Maybe some of you are in the wrong hobby.

Because there are tens of thousands of games available right now waiting to be played? Many of which are available for a tiny fraction of the price of a brand new game and plenty being better than probably anything being showed at E3 this year. There's PLENTY of room in this hobby for gamers that aren't caught up in the hype machine that is E3.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

Because there are tens of thousands of games available right now waiting to be played? Many of which are available for a tiny fraction of the price of a brand new game and plenty being better than probably anything being showed at E3 this year. There's PLENTY of room in this hobby for gamers that aren't caught up in the hype machine that is E3.

I just bought a saturn 7 months ago. I still need the seeming endless classics on that, Not to mention getting a semi complete US Dreamcast collection.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

While this years E3 is likely going to be light on surprises (other than Nintendo I don't see any other company rolling out new hardware), it's still an important tent-pole event for companies publicly detailing their hardware/software lineups for the remainder of the current year and the quarters in the following year.

Expectations of whether or not any E3 is going to be "exciting" (where each of our personal mileage may vary) aside, I don't see any reason to hate on the event itself, it's a thing that you can just as easily not tune in to live and still get all the pertinent details on every news site ... or here.

[heybtbm]

Because there are tens of thousands of games available right now waiting to be played? Many of which are available for a tiny fraction of the price of a brand new game and plenty being better than probably anything being showed at E3 this year. There's PLENTY of room in this hobby for gamers that aren't caught up in the hype machine that is E3.

I'm sorry you equate excitement over new console news with being "caught up in the hype machine". (shrugs shoulders)

Anyway, enjoy your old games. There are tons of great ones out there.

[wingzrow]

I wish someone would make a current gen console that lets you swap the d-pad and thumb stick by unscrewing them. This would make any complaints pointless if you could chance the mapping of the controls that way, but I guess that's just a pipe dream.

Back to e3, 'm looking forward to Nintendo's show. Nothing could be worse than wii music, so as long as I get a clip of pikmin 3, i'm going to be happy.

[Bojay1997]

I'm guessing math isn't your strong suit. The only console to have a six year cycle in the United States in the last three generations was the PS3. Xbox was four years (Nov. 2001 and November 2005). Playstation was five years and then six years (September 1995, October 2000 and November 2006). Nintendo was five years and five years again (September 1996, November 2001 and November 2006). Considering the 360 was released in 2005, this Fall will be 7 years. As the PS4 likely won't be released until Fall 2013, that will also be 7 years. So, yes, this has been a considerably longer cycle than in the recent past.



Eh it's only been 6 years. Last gen was 6 years and the gen before it

[Gameguy]

I'm sorry you equate excitement over new console news with being "caught up in the hype machine". (shrugs shoulders)
It's a bit hard to get excited when modern consoles are basically underpowered computers. It didn't used to be that way, sidescrolling games weren't available on the PC until 1990 when Commander Keen was released. That's 5 years after Super Mario Bros was released on the NES.

I haven't heard of any current consoles being capable of things not yet possible on the PC, besides the "you are the controller" motion gimmicks.

[Kitsune Sniper]

That gamepad looks hella uncomfortable to me. :\

[Retrocade Fantasia]

I wish someone would make a current gen console that lets you swap the d-pad and thumb stick by unscrewing them. This would make any complaints pointless if you could chance the mapping of the controls that way, but I guess that's just a pipe dream.

Back to e3, 'm looking forward to Nintendo's show. Nothing could be worse than wii music, so as long as I get a clip of pikmin 3, i'm going to be happy.

There is one but it's wired and expensive. I forget the name of it though I think Razer makes it.


I'm guessing math isn't your strong suit. The only console to have a six year cycle in the United States in the last three generations was the PS3. Xbox was four years (Nov. 2001 and November 2005). Playstation was five years and then six years (September 1995, October 2000 and November 2006). Nintendo was five years and five years again (September 1996, November 2001 and November 2006). Considering the 360 was released in 2005, this Fall will be 7 years. As the PS4 likely won't be released until Fall 2013, that will also be 7 years. So, yes, this has been a considerably longer cycle than in the recent past.

Signs point to nextbox and PS4 in early 2014

[old_skoolin_jim]

Yeah see I been gaming since the mid 80's

So that weak argument isn't going to hold

So have I... My opinion?
Nintendo dun goofed with the buttons'n analog places all mixed up'n stuff, paw...

[Retrocade Fantasia]

So have I... My opinion?
Nintendo dun goofed with the buttons'n analog places all mixed up'n stuff, paw...

Yeah everything looks cramped together. if it was inverse the controller would be perfect. It's ok to have an Analog stick over the D-Pad but it's not ok to have the analog stick over the buttons.

[Bojay1997]

There is one but it's wired and expensive. I forget the name of it though I think Razer makes it.



Signs point to nextbox and PS4 in early 2014

What signs are those? You're right that there isn't any specific launch date yet, but if WiiU sells well, you can bet Sony and MS will launch in late 2013.

[JSoup]

So have I... My opinion?
Nintendo dun goofed with the buttons'n analog places all mixed up'n stuff, paw...

I've been gaming since around the mid to late 80s and I pretty much agree with this. I do tend to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt, as they do tend to come up with oddly comfortable controllers, with only one exception that I can think of.

[wingzrow]

So that microsoft conference....wow...there are no words....

[JSoup]

So that microsoft conference....wow...there are no words....

There are words. They are "shoot'en games" and "media stuffs for people to lazy to just press a button on the controller".

[Bojay1997]

There are words. They are "shoot'en games" and "media stuffs for people to lazy to just press a button on the controller".

I do have to say that the MS presentation was altogether devoid of surprises. With the exception of a few of the smaller likely XBL games, I think everything had been previously announced or at least strongly rumored. It does look like the Smart Glass functionality is a clever way to head off the advantages of the WiiU pad early rather than taking a reactive approach like Kinect was.

[The 1 2 P]

I haven't heard of any current consoles being capable of things not yet possible on the PC, besides the "you are the controller" motion gimmicks.

Well there is a Kinect camera for PC's now.


Signs point to nextbox and PS4 in early 2014

You are reading your signs incorrectly. Theres no way in hell that Microsoft and Sony won't launch their new systems during the holidays, which is the only time they can 100% guarantee they will completely sell out.

[Aussie2B]

I'm sorry you equate excitement over new console news with being "caught up in the hype machine". (shrugs shoulders)

The only purpose of E3 is to hype up consumers. According to all the marketing folks, there isn't a single game, system, controller, whatever at E3 that isn't the most amazing thing since sliced bread.

I don't get excited over new console news. I don't play consoles, I play games. Just because a system is new and more powerful doesn't mean its games will be better than those on any other system. I'll get excited when said system actually has games that I'm interested in, and even then I'm not going to get that excited until said game is in my hands and proven itself to be fun. I'm not going to convince myself that a game will be awesome when it's not even finalized and could end up sucking for all I know.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

What signs are those? You're right that there isn't any specific launch date yet, but if WiiU sells well, you can bet Sony and MS will launch in late 2013.

Too many 2013 games to make a 2013 launch viable. Also with the economy the way it is it's way too risky to launch a new console. The WII U is going to bomb big time. I only know maybe 2 or 3 people hyped about it and 2 of them are Blind Nintendo fanboys.

I really see no reason for Microsoft and Sony to launch new hardware before 2014. The WII U isn't much more powerful than the 360 and PS3 in fact I'm hearing it's not as strong.

So You can bet the Next Gen is a ways off.

AND for the record Microsoft Only started hiring for the nextbox last year and it takes 2-3 years to make a new console. So there you go. 2014



So that microsoft conference....wow...there are no words....

Yeah it was awesome New IPs, some exclusives. it's all good

[Bojay1997]

Strongly disagree. All of the 2013 game announcements thus far have been late Winter/early Spring. That leaves the Fall of 2013 wide open for games for the new platforms. Also, despite the poor economy, things like the iPad, iPhone 4S and the Kindle Fire have been massive sellers. If you put together something compelling, people will buy it, regardless of how bad the economy may be.

Microsoft has been working on the Next Xbox since the 360 launched. Nobody hires an entirely new team when new platforms are being developed. In fact, hardware dev kits have been in the hands of developers since late 2011. It doesn't take that long to get up to speed on new hardware, especially if it is essentially a PC centric architecture like the Xbox. Developers have more than enough time to get launch games ready for November 2013 which is 18 months from now.


Too many 2013 games to make a 2013 launch viable. Also with the economy the way it is it's way too risky to launch a new console. The WII U is going to bomb big time. I only know maybe 2 or 3 people hyped about it and 2 of them are Blind Nintendo fanboys.

I really see no reason for Microsoft and Sony to launch new hardware before 2014. The WII U isn't much more powerful than the 360 and PS3 in fact I'm hearing it's not as strong.

So You can bet the Next Gen is a ways off.

AND for the record Microsoft Only started hiring for the nextbox last year and it takes 2-3 years to make a new console. So there you go. 2014




Yeah it was awesome New IPs, some exclusives. it's all good

[Retrocade Fantasia]

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about. Next Box Development only started last year. Talk about it didn't start until 2010. PS4 Development only just started.

Your info is off.

[JSoup]

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about

With in-depth, compelling arguments like that, you'll be going the way of The Shawn fairly quickly.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

I elaborated

[Bojay1997]

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about. Next Box Development only started last year. Talk about it didn't start until 2010. PS4 Development only just started.

Your info is off.

I'm sorry, but your information is completely inaccurate. Development on the next Xbox started over 4 years ago. The hardware prototypes for the chip sets were in manufacturing late last year. A number of bigger developers already have their initial hardware dev kits. Obviously, as the release hardware changes, those kits get updated as well. If you really think that Sony and Microsoft sit around until the end of a hardware cycle and then hire an entire team to create the new hardware, you're completely delusional. I would suggest you pick up some of the excellent books out there like Opening the Xbox that talk about everything that goes into launching a new platform. It's a very lengthy and involved process and it is also one that remains a closely guarded corporate secret. Just because the video game media doesn't talk about something doesn't mean it isn't happening or well underway.

[RPG_Fanatic]

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7116/wiiucontroller.jpg

When I first saw this I thought it was a new Xbox 360 controller. Man Nintendo just flat out copied the shape of the 360 controller.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

When I first saw this I thought it was a new Xbox 360 controller. Man Nintendo just flat out copied the shape of the 360 controller.

Only not as good

[G-Boobie]

Too many 2013 games to make a 2013 launch viable. Also with the economy the way it is it's way too risky to launch a new console. The WII U is going to bomb big time. I only know maybe 2 or 3 people hyped about it and 2 of them are Blind Nintendo fanboys.

I really see no reason for Microsoft and Sony to launch new hardware before 2014. The WII U isn't much more powerful than the 360 and PS3 in fact I'm hearing it's not as strong.

So You can bet the Next Gen is a ways off.

AND for the record Microsoft Only started hiring for the nextbox last year and it takes 2-3 years to make a new console. So there you go. 2014




Yeah it was awesome New IPs, some exclusives. it's all good

Do you have some links and hard data, or are you just posting GameFAQs style "facts"?

Just curious.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/25/next-gen-starts-when-we-say-it-does/

Now shut up

[G-Boobie]

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/25/next-gen-starts-when-we-say-it-does/

Now shut up

Oh snaps.

I guess I'd better shut up, guys. This guy posted one link to a Joystiq article.

[Tupin]

So, Watch Dogs by Ubisoft is actually a new IP that looks interesting. You control the massive computer network that runs Chicago. Guy demoing it shut down traffic lights at an intersection and caused a pile-up, trapping someone you need inside the wreck.

[Bojay1997]

Oh snaps.

I guess I'd better shut up, guys. This guy posted one link to a Joystiq article.

Yes, an article that says nothing about the point he supposedly is making. This guy is just an enormous troll at a level we haven't seen around here in a while.

[heybtbm]

So, Watch Dogs by Ubisoft is actually a new IP that looks interesting. You control the massive computer network that runs Chicago. Guy demoing it shut down traffic lights at an intersection and caused a pile-up, trapping someone you need inside the wreck.

Just got done watching the whole "trailer". It does look interesting. I hope it has a true open world dynamic because it looked a little linear. Hard to tell from 10 minutes of gameplay though.

[Retrocade Fantasia]

I can't believe people are still wondering what Watch dogs was demoed on people are claming they saw a Wii U controller but it was obviously being played with a 360 Pad probably on PC.

It doesn't look THAT next Gen and it sure does look alot like Heavy Rain but color me interested.

[G-Boobie]

Yes, an article that says nothing about the point he supposedly is making. This guy is just an enormous troll at a level we haven't seen around here in a while.

I dub him Chilimac Part the Second, nephew of Fighter17. We will cherish him.

[Tupin]

It looks like it runs on the Assassin's Creed engine. It's planned for this generation of consoles, too.

So are they making Beyond Good & Evil 2 or not? I was waiting for them to say something about that.