Your Top 5 Favorite New IP/Franchises This Generation(7th) Of Consoles

[The 1 2 P]

Notice that I said new "IP/Franchises" and not "new games". Why? Because I don't want to see a bunch of established franchises from previous gens, otherwise I would have just titled it "favorite games this generation". Anyway, we are now in year 7 of this generation and theres most likely no more than two years left before all the new systems will be released. So now that this generation is just about over I want to know what have been your favorite new franchises. Every week someone is complaining that nothing new has come out this generation and the only things we get are sequels and fps/rpg hybrids. Well we do get alot of sequels, which has been true for every generation going way back to the Nes(3rd) generation. But theres also been a wealth of new IP every gen and this one is no different. So I'd like you to list your top 5 new IP/Franchises this generation. And I haven't forgotten about my PC brethren either. But first a few rules:

-New IP/Franchise means the game has had no previous entrys in any previous generations
-No direct spin-offs(such as FF XIII-2, Modern Warfare, etc)
-Any new IP from the 360, PS3 or Wii is fair game
-For handhelds, any game that was released on the DS systems(DS, DSi, DSi XL, etc) or PSP systems(1000, 2000, 3000, Go) are ok but the 3DS and Vita don't count because they are the newest generation of handhelds
-For PC any IP/Franchise that began/launched no earlier than November 22, 2005(when the 360 started this gen) is fair game
-For tablets, mobile, browser and any other OS games, the same rules for PC apply to these as well

Lets get started.

5. The Gunstringer(Kinect): This is one of the few Kinect core games that actually works and it's alot of fun too. I was debating about rather to choose this game or Kinect Sports but as much as I like Kinect Sports it's still just a bunch of mini games. The Gunstringer has a dedicated story and intuitive controls that fit well and don't make you feel like a spasm having wildman while violently swinging your arms around. I suppose it helps that you can actually play it sitting down. It also serves as proof that core games can be done correctly on Kinect, although I don't think that most developers got that memo yet.

4. Split/Second(Multiplatform): My favorite racing game has always been Burnout 3. I suppose it was a combination of the gameplay, the online community thru XBL and of course, taking people out. But like most things in life, things can usually evolve for the best. I was always proud of the various ways I could take people out in B3, rather it was running them into an oncoming bus or rear-ending them to make them flip into the air and crash land violently. But in Split Second theres no need for all of that. Why ram your nemesis when you can drop an incoming 747 airplane on their head? Theres no need to push them into oncoming traffic when you can send a derailed train headed in their direction. Those are just a few of the ways you can take people out in Split Second. It also has a nice sense of speed, not quite as fast as what Burnout has but fast enough to remind you that you are in fact still playing a video game. And did I mention there were boss battles against helicopters? Sadly there will be no sequel because Disney closed the studio down and has pretty much shuttered the franchise. But maybe someday they will have enough sense to sell it to another worthwhile developer.

3. Gears of War (360): Microsoft has a way of attracting hardcore shooter franchises and this one nearly rivals the Halo series. I didn't even play thru the first Gears game until 2009, which is 3 years after it initially came out. But once I played it I was hooked. And the multiplayer? Theres nothing more satisfying than chainsawing a mofo in half. And the second game took things even further with the inclusion of Horde mode, a mode that has become standard in most action games now adays. The third game has Beast mode and while it's ok I wish they would expand upon it more since it doesn't last even half as long as Horde. Anyway, we will no doubt continue to get sequels for this franchise from now on but it all started here in the 7th generation of consoles.

2. 1 Vs 100(360): Riddle me this: If you created the first successful ad-supported free-to-play console game would you A) keep it going or B) shut it down after two seasons? There is a right answer and then theres Microsoft's answer. No matter what bullshit they came up with for their corporate statement there was absolutely no good reason they should have canceled this game. This game has such wide spread appeal and like Tetris it was adored by both casual and hardcore gamers. Plus, Microsoft seems pretty obsessed with ads these days. 1 vs 100 already had the perfect format for it: we got an ad after every 10 questions. I could live with that but apparently Microsoft couldn't. Anyway, this was absolutely one of my favorite games and I would make my schedule around the live shows and specialty themed shows. I was even lucky enough to be in the mob once. This game had so much going for it and it would have been another extremely good selling point for Microsoft with casual/family gamers and Kinect owners, although I'd still use a controller while playing it for obvious reasons. I hope that one day Microsoft sees the error of their ways and brings this back, even if they have to buy the entire copyright/trademark.

1. Alan Wake(360): What do Time Magazine and The 1 2 P have in common? Besides both being world renowned and envied by others they also both chose Alan Wake as their 2010 game of the year. And it definitely deserved it. Sure it's kind of a shooter/survivor horror hybrid, except that you can play most of the game without killing anyone. You of course have to fight the bosses but you get enough non-lethal weapons where you can avoid most confrontations if you like. But what I really liked is the story. The tv episode format was nice but I kept playing because I wanted to see what happened next. The music, atmosphere and characters all kept me coming back for more. And like the good suspense thriller that it was, the ending was not all-inclusive. The follow-up side story added to the fiction and uped the action but one day hopefully a true follow up will come and finish the storyline once and for all....or at the very least expand upon it.

Honorable Mention

Shadow Complex(XBLA)--a nice homage to Metroidvania games
Heavy Rain(PS3)--a very unique game with an equally compelling intersecting story
Kinect Sports(Kinect)--it was fun for what it was
Stranglehold(Multiplatform)--it was Max Payne 3 before there was an official Max Payne 3
Crash Course(XBLA)--pretty much Ninja Warrior without the license and with avatars

[frogofdeath]

No particular order...

L.A. Noire - Not perfect, but still very enjoyable.
World of Goo - Superb, addicting, and a great, dark sense of humor.
Lost Winds (both games) - Motion controls done right.
Batman: Arkham City - Not a huge Batman fan, but this game is just fantastic.
Bonsai Barber - Simple, orgiastic gaming...

[The 1 2 P]

Batman: Arkham City - Not a huge Batman fan, but this game is just fantastic.


Arkham Asylum and City wouldn't count because they are from the main Batman franchise which has had video games forever. This is also why I couldn't name Modern Warfare(despite being one of my favorite series this gen) because it exist in the Call of Duty franchise.

[substantial_snake]

This is Actually a lot harder then I though it would be as many of my favorites this gen were from already established IPs, however I'll give it a try. Great topic.

Anyways in no particular order:

Valkyrie Chronicles: Interesting Mix of genera with turn-based stragety, RPG and third person shooter elements that all work and art style, characters and storyline were all exceptional. Its a shame the platform switch to PSP made it unlikely to getting another fully fledged sequel on any platform.

Uncharted: Solid series of third person shooters with heavy story and platforming. Its the best example of the industries AAA push towards cinematic experiences in gaming (weather you like that or not) and with 2 and 3 a plethora of multiplayer modes that take advantage of the unique acrobatic combat style of the series.

The World Ends With You: An RPG on the DS that actually makes fun use of the DS's unique capabilities. Dosen't hurt that the characters, storyline, and urban setting all worked well and I REALLY wanna see another one.

Dead Nation: Top down shooter in the same vein as NES Commando during a zombie apocalypse. This game gave me the most fun co-op mode I've played this generation, the atmosphere, graphics, upgrade system, and country based stat tracking system makes me pine for another entry to the series with 4 player co-op. Would of never found out about it too if it weren't for the PSN outage. lol

S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Series of very atmospheric FPS games set in the decaying ruins of the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. The most atmospheric game I've played and nothing has ever "sucked me in" like STALKER can, the game's suvival, bleeding, and gun mechanics (read: not every shot hits dead center reticle pending weapon type and condition) make it really a world onto itself that is easy to get lost in.

Special Mentions: (Mostly games that appeared on previous consoles but had a dramatic shift this generation..quite a few of those)

Killzone: Felt the first one on PS2 felt like it was too much for the console, however the two entries on PS3 have both been fantastic.
Riddick: Wasn't a huge fan of the movies but both Escape from Butchers Bay and Dark Athena are some of my favorite FPS games this generation, played both on the Dark Athena disc.
Persona 3/4: Although on the PS2 both were released in this timeframe and both were very different from their predecessors. Combination of dating/school sim/dungeon crawler/RPG mechanics somehow worked really well.
Metal Gear Acid Series: Although the idea of a card based spinoff to the MGS series sounded dumb they were both really fun games early in the PSP lifespan. I always felt like most of the hate was directed at the idea rather then the games.
Fallout 3/new Vegas: The IP was established in the mid nineties though both games couldn't play more differently to their predecessors.


Arkham Asylum and City wouldn't count because they are from the main Batman franchise which has had video games forever. This is also why I couldn't name Modern Warfare(despite being one of my favorite series this gen) because it exist in the Call of Duty franchise.

I think its fair to include, since from my understanding they establish a completely different batman cannon to anything else released, and is not a sequel to any particular series. I think your argument is a sound one but I would let it slide here.

[The 1 2 P]

Special Mentions: (Mostly games that appeared on previous consoles but had a dramatic shift this generation..quite a few of those)

Killzone: Felt the first one on PS2 felt like it was too much for the console, however the two entries on PS3 have both been fantastic.
Riddick: Wasn't a huge fan of the movies but both Escape from Butchers Bay and Dark Athena are some of my favorite FPS games this generation, played both on the Dark Athena disc.
Persona 3/4: Although on the PS2 both were released in this timeframe and both were very different from their predecessors. Combination of dating/school sim/dungeon crawler/RPG mechanics somehow worked really well.
Metal Gear Acid Series: Although the idea of a card based spinoff to the MGS series sounded dumb they were both really fun games early in the PSP lifespan. I always felt like most of the hate was directed at the idea rather then the games.
Fallout 3/new Vegas: The IP was established in the mid nineties though both games couldn't play more differently to their predecessors.

Like you said all of those games are from existing franchises from previous generations and thus are all exempt.


I think its fair to include, since from my understanding they establish a completely different batman cannon to anything else released, and is not a sequel to any particular series. I think your argument is a sound one but I would let it slide here.

Although Arkham is a new franchise(I believe Arkham World will be the next title) this gen it's based on an existing franchise and thus doesn't apply to the structure of this list. I should probably change the word "new" to "original" in the title to not confuse anyone. But you obviously know what I mean because your list of 5 fits the parameters perfectly and I enjoyed reading your reasons for why you like each one.

[G-Boobie]

1) Valkyria Chronicles
2) Dead/Demon's Souls
3) Assassin's Creed
4) Uncharted
5) Dead Space

[jonebone]

I really haven't sample too many new franchises from this generation. But of those I have, these were definitely some of my favorites:

Deadrising
Dragon Age (2nd one was a let down though)
Assassin's Creed

[Cryomancer]

New franchises I enjoy:
Saints Row
No More Heroes
Dead Rising
Crackdown
Rock Band

Single games I wish actually became franchises:
Dark Sector
Blue Dragon, in the sense of more home console games. The handheld ones are a lot less interesting.
The Saboteur
Deadly Premonition, although they are supposedly making a remake and prequel or something eventually for it.
Alpha Squad

This is a pretty interesting topic, do we have similar threads for other generations? Could be neat to think about.

[Andy]

Brutal Legend
Dead Rising
STALKER
Crack Down
Deadly Premonition

[frogofdeath]

Well since one of my 5 got shat on (though I think it still counts...) I'll add another:

Shoot 1Up - Great concept for the shmup genre.

[SUPERSMASHSNAKE]

Bioshock
Uncharted
Portal
Resistance
Gears of War

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

1. - Bayonetta
2. - Arkham Series (I know, you said no Batman, and while there have been "Batman" games before, the "Arkham" series IMO stands on its own as an IP)
3. - Uncharted
4. - Bioshock (yeah, I know, System Shock could technically disqualify this, but I feel compelled to rank it none the less)
5. - Mod Nation Racers

[heybtbm]

Just Cause
Uncharted
Infamous
Dead Space
Mass Effect

...likely more I can't think of right now.

[substantial_snake]

Like you said all of those games are from existing franchises from previous generations and thus are all exempt.



Although Arkham is a new franchise(I believe Arkham World will be the next title) this gen it's based on an existing franchise and thus doesn't apply to the structure of this list. I should probably change the word "new" to "original" in the title to not confuse anyone. But you obviously know what I mean because your list of 5 fits the parameters perfectly and I enjoyed reading your reasons for why you like each one.

Like I said its your thread. ;)

There are a ton of franchises I would like to play from this generation but either havent gotten around to or have been too expensive to interest me at the time of release, things like Bayonetta, Catherine, Assassins Creed, EDF, Dark Siders, Binary Domain, World in Conflict, etc. However in the spirit of this thread i'll revise my honorable mentions list.

Honerable Mentions:
Borderlands: Diablo-style loot grinding with FPS shooter gameplay and RPG. Only held back by a cock-tease ending and crap performance on PS3 with more then two players. (at least in my case)
Mirrors Edge: Linear FPS with emphasis on parkour-style platforming. It had a fun gamepley mechanic that was held back by the linear nature of the game, think it would work much better in an openworld or at least multiple offer multiple paths.
Sins of a Solar Empire: A space based 4x style strategy game. It did everything really well in a modern release and want to see more of it in this now nich genera.
Resistance: A series of corridor based FPS games. The artstyle and setting of this series is both really good with the Chimera looking truly alien in the 50's era world they created. Holds over a lot of older FPS conventions with a combination health pack and regen system in the first and third title while also allowing you to carry all of the weapons in the game at once, again in the first and third titles. Can't help but think that something is always holding the series back from being great though I can't put my finger on it.
DEFCON: A nuclear war simulator/strategy game. It managed to shock me in the way that only the original Missile Command did as a child. There is nothing quite like reaching the end of the game, watching the missiles arc, and seeing the while flashes while the death tolls start to pop up over major population centers. Its both fun to play and very depressing at the same time.

[Nebagram]

Loads of great franchises mentioned so far, here's my top 5-

Mirror's Edge- amazed this has only come up once so far. Both in this thread and in number of games. A great concept, unique gameplay and a sympathetic main character are very rare nowadays. On the subject...

Uncharted- gameplay from tomb raider, concept from Indiana jones and a dick of a main character. And yet, the games are some of the most exciting I've played over the last five years. Too many games aspire to be cinematic at the cost of gameplay, uncharted is one of very few that achieve it.

Bioshock- obviously.

Mass effect- obviously. Again.

And finally... Littlebigplanet. Any place that rewards and encourages creativity... With the voice of Stephen Fry... Is a place I want to be.

Oh, and if it counts, portal trumps any of the above.

[kupomogli]

I might edit this next month, as Sleeping Dogs, despite being known previously as True Crime Hong Kong, is technically a new IP and an amazing looking game.

Uncharted. Takes the base Tomb Raider gameplay and perfects it. Faster paced and more character control makes for a far enjoyable experience. Each game in the series has an extremely well done cover based shooting system, even while traversing the environments, as well as an excellent Indiana Jones esque storyline with likeable characters both ally and enemy alike.

Army of Two. Now I've only played the second game in the series, but damn if it isn't easily the best third person shooter I've ever played. While I do like Uncharted better overall, this due to the inclusion of the storyline, Tomb Raider style gameplay, as well as the shooting, the shooting experience in Army of Two the 40th Day is better in my opinion than in any other game. Sorry Vanquish fans, but Vanquish, even though a good game and all, doesn't get my vote as best shooter.

Mirror's Edge. Sadly, I suck at this game, but that doesn't change the fact that it's one of my favorite games this generation.

Sacred Specifically, Sacred 2. My favorite Diablo clone by far, and to me, just as good as Diablo 2.

Demon's Souls And Dark Souls, but stat balancing issues,such as defense not doing a damn thing or certain attack types being far more effective than others, and the more grindy aspect of the game(to upgrade weapons and make them actually useful,) make Demon's Souls a far better game.

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Lords of Shadow. Technically this is Castlevania, but it's in the Castlevania Lords of Shadow line of the series, so I see this as a new IP. Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fate and Lords of Shadow 2 coming out for PS360/Vita and 3DS. I'd replace this with Demon's Souls but technically it's not a new franchise, so I'm listing this along with other good new IPs that don't quite make it into my top five.
Dante's Inferno
Darksiders
Dead Space
Dragon Age
Kingdoms of Amalur
The Saboteur
Saints Row
Stranglehold
Arkham Series
Infamous
Valkyria Chronicles
Gears of War
Vanquish
and White Knight Chronicles

[Aussie2B]

I gave some honest thought to this topic, and I was surprised that I couldn't come up with a single franchise, even after skimming my game collection list. I guess it's a reflection of how little interest I have in modern games and how few new IPs are made these days. That's not to say that I haven't played any new IPs this generation, but none have come close to impressing me enough to put on a list of favorites. All of the titles I have really liked this generation are from established franchises (although some are from very long abandoned franchises, like Giana Sisters DS and Solatorobo). I've noticed that most of the franchises listed are Western too, so considering I gravitate toward Japanese games, maybe that's part of my problem. Maybe Japanese developers are playing it safe with established franchises more than Western developers. Well, anyway, sorry I'm cluttering up this topic with a response that doesn't answer the question. :P

[The 1 2 P]

2. - Arkham Series (I know, you said no Batman, and while there have been "Batman" games before, the "Arkham" series IMO stands on its own as an IP)

Exempt for the reasons already mentioned. I'm basically trying to prove that this gen has created it's own identity based off of new IP/franchises. Yes Arkham is a new franchise for Batman but it's still another Batman series.


4. - Bioshock (yeah, I know, System Shock could technically disqualify this, but I feel compelled to rank it none the less)

Now this is a good one because it lets me expand on my meaning of no direct spin-offs/sequels. In Ken Levine's own words this game is only a "spirual successor" to the System Shock games and thus it's fair game. Another example would be Perfect Dark from the 5th gen. It was a spiritual successor to Goldeneye but not a direct sequel and existed in it's own world.


Lords of Shadow. Technically this is Castlevania, but it's in the Castlevania Lords of Shadow line of the series, so I see this as a new IP. Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fate and Lords of Shadow 2 coming out for PS360/Vita and 3DS. I'd replace this with Demon's Souls but technically it's not a new franchise, so I'm listing this along with other good new IPs that don't quite make it into my top five.

Like Arkham this is a new franchise for an already existing bigger franchise in Castlevania and thus is exempt. But you already knew that.


I gave some honest thought to this topic, and I was surprised that I couldn't come up with a single franchise, even after skimming my game collection list. I guess it's a reflection of how little interest I have in modern games and how few new IPs are made these days.

If you mean that few new IP's are coming out in the final two years of this generation then yes I agree with you. But as far as this generation as a whole is concerned we have had a ton of new IP and this thread hasn't even scratched the surface yet. Nobody has even mentioned any mobile, tablet or OS games yet and theres been very few handheld and PC offerings.

I knew that this topic would be tough for some of us because we are so use to our established properties from playing them over the years. But as much as I love my Halo's, Modern Warfare's, Burnout's and so on, I have also enjoyed a ton of new games this generation. And this thread is a celebration of those new IP's and proof that sequels are not the only thing that get released. Plus it's making some of you really think about your answers and that usually inspires creativity....or something like that.

[Aussie2B]

In terms of modern gaming, I'd say I actually put more effort into discovering fresh new concepts and niche titles than in sticking with the old standbys (I haven't even played the recent games in series like Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.), but I'm finding very little to take interest in and less yet in terms of games that I'm really impressed by. New IPs are out there, but big budget "AAA"-type games aren't my cup of tea and, relatively speaking, there are definitely fewer new IPs than in past generations (on the traditional handhelds and consoles at least; couldn't care less about mobile gaming). I've had high hopes from some new IPs this gen (Infinite Undiscovery, Resonance of Fate, Otomedius Excellent, etc.), but I've felt fairly lukewarm about them at best. Even if I compare it to the 6th generation, which is by no means my favorite, this one still falls way short. The previous generation brought us Katamari Damacy, Pikmin, Baten Kaitos, Super Monkey Ball, Chulip, Shepherd's Crossing, Yakuza, etc. Lots of creative new ideas and quirky niche titles.

[kupomogli]

But as far as this generation as a whole is concerned we have had a ton of new IP and this thread hasn't even scratched the surface yet. Nobody has even mentioned any mobile, tablet or OS games yet and theres been very few handheld and PC offerings.

Not in my favorites, but I was going to list a few new IPs for handhelds, but not sure if this was exclusively for consoles or not. I think it'd probably be best to leave handhelds and consoles seperate in that regard, because I know that as many great handheld games, there aren't any that will beat out a top five for consoles.

Good new handheld IPs though.

Retro Game Challenge
Feel the Magic/Rub Rabbits
Jump Super Stars/Jump Ultimate Stars
Nostalgia
Brave Story
Pursuit Force
Prinny(the best platformers that have came out in a long time. There are none that compare in my opinion.)
Half Minute Hero
Jeanne Darc
Valkyria Chronicles

My five favorite new IPs for handheld would be Prinny, Retro Game Challenge, Half Minute Hero, Brave Story, and Pursuit Force.

The Badman games look interesting but I've yet to play them. There are a lot of other games I've yet to play, and like The 1 2 P has stated, I probably haven't played some really good ones. Media.Vision makes iphone/ipad games for Square Enix, and they're one of my favorite developers, but while I don't own either an iphone or an ipad, I won't be playing those games.

[Aussie2B]

Valkyrie Profile

Valkyrie Profile started on PS1.

[kupomogli]

Valkyrie Profile started on PS1.

Thanks for the heads up. I meant Valkyria Chronicles. Accidentally put Valkyrie Profile. The game is garbage in my opinion anyways.

[The 1 2 P]

Not in my favorites

I'm not interested in random list. I'd rather see people's favorites so that I know they are games they actually played thru and enjoyed. Thats why I kept it at a nice low number(5) but I still had enough for honorable mentions.


but not sure if this was exclusively for consoles or not. I think it'd probably be best to leave handhelds and consoles seperate in that regard, because I know that as many great handheld games, there aren't any that will beat out a top five for consoles.

The reason why only consoles is in the title is because consoles are the only ones in the 7th gen. But I know that some people don't even play console games(for instance some people only play PC games) and I didn't want to leave anyone out. I have never even played a tablet or OS game but there are some people that play them and I of course didn't want to leave any gamers out, provided the games that are their favorites came out no earlier than when the 360 launched and started this generation.

[Jaruff]

The only two I can think of that haven't been posted yet are Alpha Protocol and Dead Island.

The Saboteur
Alpha Protocol
LA Noire
Assassin's Creed
Dead Island

[BHvrd]

1.) Bayonetta

Good god, if only all Sega games were this well designed and fun! Don't know if there will be a sequel, but won't be disappointed if there is. This game brings out a bit of my fanboy and it may not be for everyone, but this is the closest Sega has been to being "Sega" in a long time, if not a bit odd, lol. Not sure if it brings out the good or bad in me, but I love it! Non stop climax ftw! :D

2.) Uncharted

The first game wasn't designed so great, but the second and third ones were perfected. Taking video gaming and cinematic entertainment and mixing them together seemlessly.

3.) Demons/Dark Souls

Bringing the dungeon crawler type experience back with a modern flare. So atmospheric and moody, and......challenging. A true core gaming experience.

4.) Lost Planet

I may be in a bit of a minority here, but I love this franchise. I have torn the first and second game apart and loved every minute of it. It lacks depth in story and overall is only what you make of it by playing the harder difficulties and unlocking the content, but the action is nothing short of a "Contra" clone, pure in your face blow the hell out of shit action, done VERY well. Makes the heart pump.

5.) Minecraft

Obviously. No explanation needed. A true trendsetter for this generation. Single handedly has managed to make games creative again and has gotten the wheel rolling in general for pushing gaming forward in new directions.

[The 1 2 P]

The only two I can think of that haven't been posted yet are Alpha Protocol and Dead Island.

It doesn't matter if they have already been posted or not. This is not a "list" thread where we are just listing all the new IP's for the sake of listing new IP's. This is a "list YOUR top 5 favorite new IP" thread. I don't care if your top 5 has already been listed twice or more by other members. If they are your favorite new IP then you deserve to list them as well. Thats why Uncharted has already been mentioned several times.

[sheath]

Mine would be Bullet Witch, Golden Axe Beast Rider, doh, wait that was supposed to be a franchise revive wasn't it. Well, I don't like anything this generation then, though I did get the first Gears of War and play through the second. Fruit Ninja Kinect is good for some pick up and play kinesthetics.

Thought of some more, the Batman Arkham games and Darksiders are good. I really enjoy Iron Man on 360 as well.

[substantial_snake]

I gave some honest thought to this topic, and I was surprised that I couldn't come up with a single franchise, even after skimming my game collection list. I guess it's a reflection of how little interest I have in modern games and how few new IPs are made these days. That's not to say that I haven't played any new IPs this generation, but none have come close to impressing me enough to put on a list of favorites. All of the titles I have really liked this generation are from established franchises (although some are from very long abandoned franchises, like Giana Sisters DS and Solatorobo). I've noticed that most of the franchises listed are Western too, so considering I gravitate toward Japanese games, maybe that's part of my problem. Maybe Japanese developers are playing it safe with established franchises more than Western developers. Well, anyway, sorry I'm cluttering up this topic with a response that doesn't answer the question. :P

Although entitled to your opinion I find it hard to believe unless you played very little this generation.

What genera are you most interested in?

[Aussie2B]

I have played fairly little this generation, I admitted to that, but I figured I had played enough to at least come up with a few new franchises that I liked and was surprised I couldn't. I mostly play RPGs, platformers, adventure games (a la Zelda), and other various Japanese-developed games.

[Gameguy]

It is hard to think of new franchises I enjoy for current systems. I mostly play on the DS for new consoles so I was going to mention Phoenix Wright but that's really a remake of an older GBA game so it doesn't count. I guess there's Trace Memory and Hotel Dusk though the sequels never came out here and the developer is now out of business. There's Touch Detective too but with these three games I've only played the first game in each series so I can't really comment on the series as a whole, and these series only have two games each so they're not really like a franchise where you expect more sequels in the future.

[dgdgagdae]

1) The Walking Dead.
I know this is based on another property, but it seems to fit the criteria. Holy crap this game is good.

2) Bayonetta
I actually thought i'd be the first one to mention this. I'm glad I wasn't. I don't generally like crazy weird Japanese games, but this was an exception.

3) Gears of War
I like shooters, and these were good shooters.

4) Alan Wake
Hell yeah. Great story. I hope there's a sequel.

5) Puzzle Quest
One of the most addictive games I've played in a long time.

[duffmanth]

Uncharted
Infamous
Resistance
LittleBigPlanet
Gears of War

[Press_Start]

Demon's & Dark Souls. #1 in my book. It had it all. Great concept that can call it's own. Excellent balance. Weighted decisions. Challenging gameplay. And victory is deliciously rewarding. A true modern video game, imo.

Child of Eden. What depth Demon's Souls had in the gameplay department, Child of Eden matched in imagination. Bought on Move for $40 and wasn't disappointed one bit. First thing I buy when getting a Kinect.

Trauma Center. Leave it to a niche Japanese company like Atlus to turn a mundane, thankless career into a great, innovative series that fully-utilizing DS touch screen capabilities with a slush of supernatural, occult sci-fi flavor thrown in for good measure.

No More Heroes. You play as a sex-crazed sociopathic killer-otaku taking out the top ten assassins with your lightsaber of death that includes decapitating your long-lost sister in order to get in the pants of a equally-crazy hot French-accent party girl whose married to your long-lost brother with child....and you save games on the toilet. On the Wii.

Professor Layton. I'm surprised I'm the first one mentioning it seeing as there's 4 games out on DS already and a 5th coming soon to 3DS plus the Layton x Phoenix Wright crossover along the way.

[The 1 2 P]

1) The Walking Dead.
I know this is based on another property, but it seems to fit the criteria.

It does fit. It's the first Walking Dead video game and thus it's a new IP for this generation. The reason why the Arkham games didn't work wasn't because they are based on the larger Batman IP but because they are also part of the overall Batman video game franchise, which has been going strong long before this gen even started.

[Duke.Togo]

Dead Space - This series has really taken over the Survival Horror genre for me. The eerie settings of the Ishimura, the plot line that constantly has you questioning Isaac's sanity, and the solid gameplay make this one a big winner for me.

Mass Effect - What's to say that hasn't already been said? Compelling story arc, interesting characters, solid writing, and even a great multiplayer component in the third installment. There are few games where I am excited to pick up all the DLC, but this is one of them.

Dante's Inferno - This game took everything I enjoyed about God of War and added an interesting story line. The fighting was excellent, and the power up system worked great.

Borderlands - How do you take an average FPS and make it great? Look no farther then Borderlands. The writing was humorous, the gun loot took me back to my feelings of PSO, and you get a sprinkling of RPG leveling thrown in to boot. It made it fun to play online with friends.

No More Heroes - Suda51's games are always interesting to say the least. The ridiculous story line and good controls (a real surprise for a Wii title) made me a big fan. Both of the games are not to be missed.

Honorable mentions:
Bayonetta
Crackdown
Rock Band

[SpaceHarrier]

Wii Sports Resort

Yeah, that's all I could think of..

[RCM]

I knew that this topic would be tough for some of us because we are so use to our established properties from playing them over the years. But as much as I love my Halo's, Modern Warfare's, Burnout's and so on, I have also enjoyed a ton of new games this generation. And this thread is a celebration of those new IP's and proof that sequels are not the only thing that get released. Plus it's making some of you really think about your answers and that usually inspires creativity....or something like that.

Who is under the impression that no new IPs are released? When I lament about the scarcity of new games I'm usually referring to the lack of truly new experiences. Most of the "new" IP listed in this thread have a lot in common with old IP. I realize it's no easy task to come up with something purely original these days, but if I'm going to celebrate "new" IP the developer better deliver some sort of fresh experience. Regardless, some good games have been mentioned so far, carry on.

[substantial_snake]

I have played fairly little this generation, I admitted to that, but I figured I had played enough to at least come up with a few new franchises that I liked and was surprised I couldn't. I mostly play RPGs, platformers, adventure games (a la Zelda), and other various Japanese-developed games.

I can understand it in that case as its a pretty narrow margin and even then those genera have either largely stagnated or best titles have been entries in other series.

I still think their have been notable examples of what you like on handhelds however.

[The 1 2 P]

Who is under the impression that no new IPs are released?

Those are random complaints I have been hearing over the last several years of this generation, along with the assertion that only sequels and fps/rpg hybrids get released. Obviously it's nothing but a big sweeping generalization but some people seem to think theres some truth to it.


When I lament about the scarcity of new games I'm usually referring to the lack of truly new experiences. Most of the "new" IP listed in this thread have a lot in common with old IP.

While this may be true you can say the samething about pretty much any medium. Was there any music that came out the last few years that was completely different from the previous 80 years? Any new books that came out that needed to be read differently than the books from 50 years ago? Samething with movies because 3D is nothing new.


I realize it's no easy task to come up with something purely original these days, but if I'm going to celebrate "new" IP the developer better deliver some sort of fresh experience.

What exactly do you mean by fresh experiences? We've gotten motion controls on consoles, touch controls on portables and voice command controls with Kinect. 1 vs 100 was unique in that it was the first ad-supported free to play console MMO, having anywhere from 50,000-200,000 people in the same game during the beta season. But beyond those I'm still not sure what you mean by fresh experiences. If you have played video games for a decade or longer you can eventually lump everything into an already existing category gameplay wise.

[RCM]

While this may be true you can say the samething about pretty much any medium. Was there any music that came out the last few years that was completely different from the previous 80 years? Any new books that came out that needed to be read differently than the books from 50 years ago? Samething with movies because 3D is nothing new.

I'm not debating it extends beyond videogames, but I don't know that I'd necessarily celebrate the "same old thing" either.


What exactly do you mean by fresh experiences? We've gotten motion controls on consoles, touch controls on portables and voice command controls with Kinect. 1 vs 100 was unique in that it was the first ad-supported free to play console MMO, having anywhere from 50,000-200,000 people in the same game during the beta season. But beyond those I'm still not sure what you mean by fresh experiences. If you have played video games for a decade or longer you can eventually lump everything into an already existing category gameplay wise.

It really depends on the game and your perspective/expectations in terms of what's "fresh" or "innovative." Sometimes all it takes is a gameplay tweak in an established genre or new technology to give the "same old thing" a new coat of paint. Of the games listed in this thread Bayonetta and Child of Eden (w/Kinect) instantly spring to mind. There's really no rigid definition of what is or feels fresh. Hope that makes sense.

[The 1 2 P]

Child of Eden is a good example of a fresh experience based on something new. But for me personally all I need is for the game to be fun, even if similiar to something already in existence. And thats why I listed the games I listed in the first post. They are all new IP's(some similiar to existing IP's) but more importantly they are all very fun to play.

[Nz17]

-Phoenix Wright series (I count them because North America never got the GBA originals.)
-Blackwell series (PC adventure games)
-Portal series
-Terraria
-VVVVVV

Honorable Mentions
-Bookworm Adventures series
-Costume Quest
-Chantelise
-Cthulhu Saves the World
-Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale
-SpaceChem
-Stacking

And of course, Sonic Generations. ;)

[The 1 2 P]

-Phoenix Wright series (I count them because North America never got the GBA originals.)

Some of us play games that either never get released in our home country or don't get a release until a future console generation. Which means some of us did play Phoenix Wright games on GBA before the DS launched and so that series is exempt. As for Sonic Generations, you already know what I'm going to say.

While I acknowledge it was going to be a bit challenging I really didn't think it was going to be this difficult for some people to come up with a mere 5 original games that they liked during this generation. I guess some of you like your sequels more than anything else, which is ok. I still play and enjoy Halo games(among other established properties) but one of the best benefits of getting a new generation console IMO is the new games that will come with it.

[Smashed Brother]

Dead Space - This series has really taken over the Survival Horror genre for me. The eerie settings of the Ishimura, the plot line that constantly has you questioning Isaac's sanity, and the solid gameplay make this one a big winner for me.

Borderlands - How do you take an average FPS and make it great? Look no farther then Borderlands. The writing was humorous, the gun loot took me back to my feelings of PSO, and you get a sprinkling of RPG leveling thrown in to boot. It made it fun to play online with friends.



Me too :)

[Bojay1997]

Is there a reason you are applying so many restrictions to what people are contributing? Just because some character existed in a game that was never released here doesn't mean it's not a new IP to the American market. I also see no reason why the Arkham stuff shouldn't be considered a new IP. It's not like it shares any play mechanics, story or even themes of the much cheesier older Batman games. When I look back at my older console libraries, I don't dismiss a particular platform as less worthy simply because it has a great game that was unique to that platform or generation but which might share characters with an older game on a different generation platform. Frankly, game development has become much more expensive, so like the movie industry, developers and publishers are going with IPs that have a built-in fan base. That means more sequels and tie-ins to existing characters in other media. That doesn't make the games have any less potential to be great or make this a less worthy generation. I mean one of your was 1 vs. 100 which is a game show, so it's not really a new IP, it's simply something that has been adapted from another platform. Split/Second stars a bunch of cars and is like the tenth or so racing game Blackrock did before being shut down. I'm not seeing how that qualifies as a new IP while some of the others suggested would not.



Some of us play games that either never get released in our home country or don't get a release until a future console generation. Which means some of us did play Phoenix Wright games on GBA before the DS launched and so that series is exempt. As for Sonic Generations, you already know what I'm going to say.

While I acknowledge it was going to be a bit challenging I really didn't think it was going to be this difficult for some people to come up with a mere 5 original games that they liked during this generation. I guess some of you like your sequels more than anything else, which is ok. I still play and enjoy Halo games(among other established properties) but one of the best benefits of getting a new generation console IMO is the new games that will come with it.

[The 1 2 P]

Is there a reason you are applying so many restrictions to what people are contributing?

I was trying to overemphasize what I meant by "new" IP for games/gaming. Otherwise this might as well had been a "favorite games" thread, which isn't what I was going for. I also already explained several times in this thread why the Arkham games are exempt.


That means more sequels and tie-ins to existing characters in other media.

I know that but it doesn't mean new IP(some that will turn into franchises like Gears of War and Uncharted) isn't still plentiful this generation. Same thing with movies: we get Saw 27 and also get new ones like Lockout, Haywire and Cloud Atlas.


I mean one of your was 1 vs. 100 which is a game show, so it's not really a new IP, it's simply something that has been adapted from another platform.

Go read what I wrote in response to The Walking Dead game a few post above.


Split/Second stars a bunch of cars and is like the tenth or so racing game Blackrock did before being shut down. I'm not seeing how that qualifies as a new IP while some of the others suggested would not.

Seriously? I really hope you weren't being serious with that response. Stars a bunch of cars? Um....yeah but most racing games do just that. And then you ask me how it qualifies as being a new IP? Sure, because Gran Turismo and Forza never had a first game starring a bunch of cars while becoming a new IP and eventually a franchise:roll: And this was obviously the first Split Second game, not the tenth. Like I said, I hope that wasn't a serious question on your part.

[Nz17]

Which means some of us did play Phoenix Wright games on GBA before the DS launched and so that series is exempt.

Well then, instead of that entry, I won't say Ace Attorney: Apollo Justice (due to the shared "Ace Attorney" title, the appearances of Phoenix Wright despite him not being the protagonist, and the gameplay style) but I will say Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth for that place. That is because it is the start of a new franchise (though Apollo Justice was supposed to be too, here even the super-title is different), it stars a different character (ditto), it has new music and almost completely different art from the previous games, doesn't even mention Phoenix Wright's name, and has a different gameplay style. True, you still question/interrogate people and present evidence, but even that is a bit different and everything else is changed, and there is no need to play the previous games.

If both of those games don't count, just pick something from the numerous entries in my runners-up list.


As for Sonic Generations, you already know what I'm going to say.

Just having fun with a little joke. :D

[hbkprm]

alpha protocol: its not the best but its not mediorce either if you cant afford mass effect, play this instead.
lost planet: it has a great story dispite the graphics looked like it was in the last gen. and people still do the online 5 years later.
mindjack: it looks shinny and shit but it has some innovations by hacking outside the body
dark void: the only thing going on this game is the defience of gravity.
soul of dracula: its a fitting castlevania tribute but its orginal and free.

[Bojay1997]

I was trying to overemphasize what I meant by "new" IP for games/gaming. Otherwise this might as well had been a "favorite games" thread, which isn't what I was going for. I also already explained several times in this thread why the Arkham games are exempt.



I know that but it doesn't mean new IP(some that will turn into franchises like Gears of War and Uncharted) isn't still plentiful this generation. Same thing with movies: we get Saw 27 and also get new ones like Lockout, Haywire and Cloud Atlas.



Go read what I wrote in response to The Walking Dead game a few post above.



Seriously? I really hope you weren't being serious with that response. Stars a bunch of cars? Um....yeah but most racing games do just that. And then you ask me how it qualifies as being a new IP? Sure, because Gran Turismo and Forza never had a first game starring a bunch of cars while becoming a new IP and eventually a franchise:roll: And this was obviously the first Split Second game, not the tenth. Like I said, I hope that wasn't a serious question on your part.

Yes, and I simply disagree with how narrowly you are defining a "new IP". There is no connection between the older cartoonish Batman games and the Arkham games other than the physical appearance of the main character, a few biographical details and the physical appearance of some villains. The gameplay is completely different as is the realistic and edgy environment. Nobody thinks of the Arkham games as being sequels to any Batman games on other platforms, nor do they consider them to be part of the same series as earlier Batman games. Similarly, I don't think the fact that Split/Second stars a bunch of cars disqualifies it as being considered a new IP despite the fact that Blackrock used many of the same racing gameplay mechanics from its previous games. A new IP can include existing IP (hence things like 1 vs. 100 or Batman or licensed cars in racing games) and still qualify as a new IP for collecting or gaming purposes IMHO.

[The 1 2 P]

Well then, instead of that entry, I won't say Ace Attorney: Apollo Justice (due to the shared "Ace Attorney" title, the appearances of Phoenix Wright despite him not being the protagonist, and the gameplay style) but I will say Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth for that place. That is because it is the start of a new franchise (though Apollo Justice was supposed to be too, here even the super-title is different), it stars a different character (ditto), it has new music and almost completely different art from the previous games, doesn't even mention Phoenix Wright's name, and has a different gameplay style. True, you still question/interrogate people and present evidence, but even that is a bit different and everything else is changed, and there is no need to play the previous games.

I must say that you made a very compelling arguement for the inclusion of Miles Edgeworth. I even went and looked up the details and found out that it's an interquel, whatever that means. And although it exist in the Ace Attorney world it really is it's own game, starring a diffirent character, not mentioning PW and changing up the gameplay. I would use this as an example of how a game in the Batman universe could be considered a new IP. Like if Catwomen starred in her own game but in the same world(Gotham City of course) and there was no mention of Batman and it featured a new set of enemies. That would work...actually I think we got that game last gen based on the Catwoman movie. Anyway, the PW games are still exempt but the Miles Edgeworth game is allowed and a worthy substitute.



Yes, and I simply disagree with how narrowly you are defining a "new IP".

Thats cool, you can disagree as much as you like. But I made the rules for a very specific reason and I have explained them several times already, including to you in my previous post.


There is no connection between the older cartoonish Batman games and the Arkham games other than the physical appearance of the main character, a few biographical details and the physical appearance of some villains. The gameplay is completely different as is the realistic and edgy environment. Nobody thinks of the Arkham games as being sequels to any Batman games on other platforms, nor do they consider them to be part of the same series as earlier Batman games. Similarly, I don't think the fact that Split/Second stars a bunch of cars disqualifies it as being considered a new IP despite the fact that Blackrock used many of the same racing gameplay mechanics from its previous games. A new IP can include existing IP (hence things like 1 vs. 100 or Batman or licensed cars in racing games) and still qualify as a new IP for collecting or gaming purposes IMHO.

While I don't mind debating, discussing or explaining my reasoning for anything in this thread, everything in your quote has already been discussed and thoroughly explained on multiple occassions in multiple post. So basically you aren't bringing anything new or meaningful to the discussion. The only thing your two post have done is make me sound even more like a broken record for constantly repeating the same points. I did get a good chuckle out of the "games starring a bunch of cars can't be a new IP" comment but that was obviously unintentionally funny.

[Bojay1997]

I must say that you made a very compelling arguement for the inclusion of Miles Edgeworth. I even went and looked up the details and found out that it's an interquel, whatever that means. And although it exist in the Ace Attorney world it really is it's own game, starring a diffirent character, not mentioning PW and changing up the gameplay. I would use this as an example of how a game in the Batman universe could be considered a new IP. Like if Catwomen starred in her own game but in the same world(Gotham City of course) and there was no mention of Batman and it featured a new set of enemies. That would work...actually I think we got that game last gen based on the Catwoman movie. Anyway, the PW games are still exempt but the Miles Edgeworth game is allowed and a worthy substitute.




Thats cool, you can disagree as much as you like. But I made the rules for a very specific reason and I have explained them several times already, including to you in my previous post.



While I don't mind debating, discussing or explaining my reasoning for anything in this thread, everything in your quote has already been discussed and thoroughly explained on multiple occassions in multiple post. So basically you aren't bringing anything new or meaningful to the discussion. The only thing your two post have done is make me sound even more like a broken record for constantly repeating the same points. I did get a good chuckle out of the "games starring a bunch of cars can't be a new IP" comment but that was obviously unintentionally funny.

The fact that you can't see how you have created a completely arbitrary standard is both sad and funny. If I understand your argument above, if a game is set in the same universe as an existing IP, but features a new lead character and enemies, it's a whole new IP, even if the gameplay and everything else is identical to the IP from which it is an offshoot? What about games by NIS or Natsume where there was literally just a character swap grafted onto the same gameplay engine? Is each game a new IP or is it the same IP? Is the title of the game more or less important than the characters or do both have to be completely new to qualify?

I guess I come to it from the perspective of licensing and pursuing claims for infringement of IP on a regular basis and characters, artwork, names, gameplay and all sorts of other creative ideas have varying levels of protection. I guess I just don't think that simply because something uses an existing piece of IP that it can't in and of itself become something new. In fact, the whole concept of a transformative use was created to protect exactly that kind of creative expression. But, it's apparently your thread so I will just walk away and let it die like it was well on its way to doing, probably because people don't like participating in discussions that are too narrowly constricted by the OP.

[The 1 2 P]

The fact that you can't see how you have created a completely arbitrary standard is both sad and funny. If I understand your argument above, if a game is set in the same universe as an existing IP, but features a new lead character and enemies, it's a whole new IP, even if the gameplay and everything else is identical to the IP from which it is an offshoot? What about games by NIS or Natsume where there was literally just a character swap grafted onto the same gameplay engine? Is each game a new IP or is it the same IP? Is the title of the game more or less important than the characters or do both have to be completely new to qualify?

I guess I come to it from the perspective of licensing and pursuing claims for infringement of IP on a regular basis and characters, artwork, names, gameplay and all sorts of other creative ideas have varying levels of protection. I guess I just don't think that simply because something uses an existing piece of IP that it can't in and of itself become something new. In fact, the whole concept of a transformative use was created to protect exactly that kind of creative expression.

And for the third time you have done nothing but complain about things that have been addressed several times already, showing that you either have a complete lack of reading comprehension skills or a lack of basic understanding. I think it's a mixture of both since theres not many other ways to explain it. You're like a child that thinks if he whines enough he will get his way. But you won't. And since you keep insisting that I baby you and hold your hand I'm going to point you to these threads here (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?19-Classic-Discussions). You can go to those threads and list all the non-narrowly defined unrestricted games you want in threads so simple(such as favorite PS3 games, favorite rpgs, etc) that even you might get it right, although I have little to no faith.



But, it's apparently your thread so I will just walk

If this turned out to be true it would be the first meaningful thing you've done in this thread, although the fact that it would be coming three post too late proves that it isn't true and you'll be back complaining about the samething again. And since you like repeating yourself so much I should point out that I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt but considering you are the dude that told me a racing game starring a bunch of cars can't be considered it's own IP simply because.......it stars a bunch of cars.......in a racing game, well I no longer put stock in anything you say.

Back on topic, I just switched out one of my honorable mentions and added Heavy Rain. I always thought the game looked interesting but wouldn't realize how interesting until I played it myself. It starts off extremely slow and could probably be considered more an interactive adventure than an actual game. While doing my first play thru I kept referring to it as Heavy Quick Time Event since thats what you'll be doing for atleast 70-90% of the game. It also has a wealth of ending that aren't simply triggered by saying "yes" or "no" at a certain point, but are dependent upon several key decisions you make thru out the game. I think the game did fairly well but considering theres only been one DLC chapter for it I think it's doubtful we'll ever get another one.

[Kirbz]

Mass Effect
Gears' Of War
Grand Theft Auto
Metal Gear Solid
Call Of Duty

[Gameguy]

I must say that you made a very compelling arguement for the inclusion of Miles Edgeworth. I even went and looked up the details and found out that it's an interquel, whatever that means. And although it exist in the Ace Attorney world it really is it's own game, starring a diffirent character, not mentioning PW and changing up the gameplay. I would use this as an example of how a game in the Batman universe could be considered a new IP. Like if Catwomen starred in her own game but in the same world(Gotham City of course) and there was no mention of Batman and it featured a new set of enemies. That would work...actually I think we got that game last gen based on the Catwoman movie. Anyway, the PW games are still exempt but the Miles Edgeworth game is allowed and a worthy substitute.
Doesn't this go against the no direct spin-offs from your first post? The Miles Edgeworth games are directly related to the previous Phoenix Wright games, most of the main characters involved in the new games are from those older games so it's not really a new franchise. Even just going by Wikipedia, it mentions there being 15 games in the Ace Attorney series and includes the Miles Edgeworth games as being a part of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Attorney

[The 1 2 P]

Mass Effect
Gears' Of War
Grand Theft Auto
Metal Gear Solid
Call Of Duty

Three of those wouldn't work.


Doesn't this go against the no direct spin-offs from your first post? The Miles Edgeworth games are directly related to the previous Phoenix Wright games, most of the main characters involved in the new games are from those older games so it's not really a new franchise. Even just going by Wikipedia, it mentions there being 15 games in the Ace Attorney series and includes the Miles Edgeworth games as being a part of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Attorney

Yeah I was being very lenient with that one and also confusingly called them all Phoenix Wright games instead of Ace Attorney games. On wiki it says that the first Miles Edgeworth game is an interquel that takes places between two of the other Ace Attorney games but isn't directly related to them story wise, which was where I was getting that it wasn't a direct spin-off. Edgeworth is obviously in the first three AA games but beyond that are there any overlapping story elements between this game and those three? I was under the impression it was it's own stand-alone story from what I read on those wiki pages.

[Gameguy]

Yeah I was being very lenient with that one and also confusingly called them all Phoenix Wright games instead of Ace Attorney games. On wiki it says that the first Miles Edgeworth game is an interquel that takes places between two of the other Ace Attorney games but isn't directly related to them story wise, which was where I was getting that it wasn't a direct spin-off. Edgeworth is obviously in the first three AA games but beyond that are there any overlapping story elements between this game and those three? I was under the impression it was it's own stand-alone story from what I read on those wiki pages.
Basically every game has separate stand alone stories, different cases featuring different people for the most part. There's some familiar people who show up as witnesses from previous games but it's not all that often, each case usually has different people involved besides the lawyers, police, and the judge. The Miles Edgeworth game takes place between the 3rd and 4th game in the regular series, between Trials and Tribulations and Apollo Justice. Apollo Justice takes place I think 7 years after Trials and Tribulations so they can fit in a lot between that time with these new games. With these new games you're prosecuting people instead of defending them.

It's like The Lion King 1 1/2, they made it after Lion King 2 but as it takes place before the second film they had to name it weird. In some countries Lion King 1 1/2 is actually named The Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata so interquels aren't really new IPs or franchises. Game wise, it's like Knuckles' Chaotix on the 32X which stars a different main character, introduces some new characters, and has slightly different gameplay. It's still considered a Sonic game by most people.

[The 1 2 P]

interquels aren't really new IPs or franchises.

But theoretically they could be. For Miles Edgeworth it seems they made it an interquel just to determine where it fits in chronologically with all the other Ace Attorney games but they could have just made it a stand alone game outside of the AA timeline because it really isn't directly related to them, other than the main character appeared in a few of the original games. But like you said it's still a part of the AA games. I'm going to have to think on this one some more but right now I'm leaning toward your opinion of simply lumping it with the rest of the Ace Attorney games and thus not proclaiming it a new IP.

[synbiosfan]

Borderlands
Bioshock
Madworld
RAGE
Blue Dragon

I've only had my 360 about 6 months so I've got so many new IPs that I plan on playing. My list will be changing. I can't comment on PS3 games since I don't own a PS3...yet:)