View Full Version : Get Donkey Kong: Original Edition (Includes Cement Factory) with the purchase of (mostly lame) Nintendo DS digital games
Oobgarm
10-01-2012, 03:22 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/01/buy-art-academy-or-crosswords-plus-digitally-get-rare-donkey-ko/
That would be a fun game to play, it's kind of a meh list of games, though.
Satoshi_Matrix
10-01-2012, 03:31 PM
Meh. The Pie Factory DK NES ROM has been extracted and converted into the standard .nes format, allowing it to be played on any NES emulator, the powerpak, or a reproduction cart. I'm not sure why anyone would really care at this point.
klausien
10-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Holding it back for ransom. Nice job Nintendo.
ubersaurus
10-01-2012, 09:19 PM
Hey, you get it with Paper Mario? That's pretty sweet.
j_factor
10-01-2012, 09:23 PM
What's the significance of it being "a special version of the NES Donkey Kong that has been edited to add the "cement factory" level" rather than, you know, the arcade game?
joshnickerson
10-01-2012, 09:37 PM
Cool. I was planning on getting Crosswords digitally anyway. :)
theclaw
10-01-2012, 09:44 PM
What's the significance of it being "a special version of the NES Donkey Kong that has been edited to add the "cement factory" level" rather than, you know, the arcade game?
The 25+ year wait to fix such a glaring omission.
Even more inexplicably the Wii release hit Europe yet not USA.
Leo_A
10-01-2012, 09:48 PM
Meh. The Pie Factory DK NES ROM has been extracted and converted into the standard .nes format, allowing it to be played on any NES emulator, the powerpak, or a reproduction cart. I'm not sure why anyone would really care at this point.
I kind of doubt they're doing this to target us. The vast majority of their consumers don't even own a NES (Let alone a PowerPak or any reproduction cartridge of any sort) and I imagine the percentage that delves into homebrew emulation on a PC or various other platforms is pretty miniscule as well.
Hey, you get it with Paper Mario? That's pretty sweet.
If you buy it digitally.
Not something I'd personally do when there's a full fledged retail release that's going to be widely available for almost the same price (I assume the download is slightly discounted but maybe I'm wrong).
Frankie_Says_Relax
10-02-2012, 02:51 AM
For what it's worth, Crosswords is a really good DS crossword and letter jumble game for DS. If you're into those, i would recommend it. I've easily logged hundreds of hours on my copy for DS.
Unfortunately the NES rom of DK is pretty terrible IMO...it's certainly easier than the real arcade game, but it's missing so much stuff in addition to the pie level...can anybody confirm if this version has the opening attract and the how high can you go screens?
Red Warrior
10-02-2012, 12:39 PM
What's the significance of it being "a special version of the NES Donkey Kong that has been edited to add the "cement factory" level" rather than, you know, the arcade game?
Yeah these are pretty much my thoughts. I'm a little tired of MAME being my only option to play the authentic DK arcade game.
treismac
10-02-2012, 01:04 PM
While it is by no means overwhelming, Nintendo does have an arcade catalog. Why they can't be bothered to port some of them is beyond me. Besides Donkey Kong, the arcade versions of Punch Out!! and Mario Bros. would be worth popping up on the the Virtual Console, and let us not forget about Vs. Super Mario Bros., which should have made it to the Wii's "limited edition" Super Mario Bros. Collection ripoff.
Lady Jaye
10-02-2012, 05:34 PM
IIf you buy it digitally.
Not something I'd personally do when there's a full fledged retail release that's going to be widely available for almost the same price (I assume the download is slightly discounted but maybe I'm wrong).
Agreed. I plan on buying the physical copy of Paper Mario and Professor Layton. Oh well...
ubersaurus
10-02-2012, 09:06 PM
While it is by no means overwhelming, Nintendo does have an arcade catalog. Why they can't be bothered to port some of them is beyond me. Besides Donkey Kong, the arcade versions of Punch Out!! and Mario Bros. would be worth popping up on the the Virtual Console, and let us not forget about Vs. Super Mario Bros., which should have made it to the Wii's "limited edition" Super Mario Bros. Collection ripoff.
Donkey Kong I believe there's some legal reasoning why the arcade version doesn't come around, owing to its development... I'm guessing there may be a similar story for some of the other early arcade games.
Leo_A
10-02-2012, 10:22 PM
Donkey Kong I believe there's some legal reasoning why the arcade version doesn't come around, owing to its development... I'm guessing there may be a similar story for some of the other early arcade games.
A 20+ year old lawsuit that was settled out of court about the ownership of the source code. He also went after some other high profile releases he was involved in and that have since been rereleased by other companies. So there's no reason to think he still has any claims to the arcade source code here. He just wanted a financial settlement and surely didn't see any possibility of the source code being of any financial worth again, so I imagine Nintendo gained clear title towards it in the settlement just like those other instances.
And there's nothing stopping them from programming a recreation of it like they did in Donkey Kong 64 even if they lack the source code (The lawsuit had nothing to do with game concept or trademark ownership, it was all about the source code itself). And they have a decent chunk of arcade classics outside of Donkey Kong that they could rerelease, including several that ran on an arcade version of their NES hardware that would probably require minimum effort to get going even on the existing Wii Virtual Console.
Yeah these are pretty much my thoughts. I'm a little tired of MAME being my only option to play the authentic DK arcade game.
Get Donkey Kong 64.
The recreation in there is excellent and to 99% of us out there, indistinguisble from the real deal.
Unfortunately the NES rom of DK is pretty terrible IMO...it's certainly easier than the real arcade game, but it's missing so much stuff in addition to the pie level...can anybody confirm if this version has the opening attract and the how high can you go screens?
While I was always puzzled why it wasn't closer to the arcade release, I thought what was there was pretty well done. It's a solid take on the arcade game and sadly there's not much out there that even rivals it or tops it with there just being a handful of other decent classic era ports with their own issues out there (And several horrible attempts like the Intellivision version) and the DK64 recreation from the late 90's (And what was done on DK94' on the Game Boy would best be described as a nod to the arcade original and little else). And of course there's an excellent modern Intellivision homebrew and an upcoming Colecovision homebrew that looks like it might be as close to 100% as we're ever going to see.
This version doesn't have that, but it does have the most important missing elements. The pie factory level is there and Donkey Kong grabs Pauline when he escapes to the next area.
Frankie_Says_Relax
10-03-2012, 10:08 AM
While I was always puzzled why it wasn't closer to the arcade release, I thought what was there was pretty well done. It's a solid take on the arcade game and sadly there's not much out there that even rivals it or tops it with there just being a handful of other decent classic era ports with their own issues out there (And several horrible attempts like the Intellivision version) and the DK64 recreation from the late 90's (And what was done on DK94' on the Game Boy would best be described as a nod to the arcade original and little else). And of course there's an excellent modern Intellivision homebrew and an upcoming Colecovision homebrew that looks like it might be as close to 100% as we're ever going to see.
This version doesn't have that, but it does have the most important missing elements. The pie factory level is there and Donkey Kong grabs Pauline when he escapes to the next area.
Well, that's something.
Interesting that the game that they consider their most important arcade release has never gotten an authentic home version (outside of the DK64 hidden thing) on any Nintendo console or portable.
The reason that the home game didn't include missing elements such as the cement factory level was because early NES/Famicom cartridges didn't have enough storage space in the ROM chips for the additional level nor the omitted animations.
treismac
10-04-2012, 12:16 AM
Well, that's something.
Interesting that the game that they consider their most important arcade release has never gotten an authentic home version (outside of the DK64 hidden thing) on any Nintendo console or portable.
The Video Game Historian makes the case that the fate of Nintendo hinged on Donkey Kong and the court case of Nintendo against Universal over the copyrights of the IP.
http://retrowaretv.com/the-gaming-historian-universal-vs-nintendo/
Tanooki
10-04-2012, 12:31 AM
I just hope they sell the game on its own as I refuse to buy a game on a card as a digital copy I have no rights to and the other non-carry over titles seem like a waste.
It would be nice if they also brought up the EU only Classic Mario Bros which put back the arcade intros and other graphics.
Leo_A
10-04-2012, 02:44 AM
I just hope they sell the game on its own as I refuse to buy a game on a card as a digital copy I have no rights to and the other non-carry over titles seem like a waste.
It would be nice if they also brought up the EU only Classic Mario Bros which put back the arcade intros and other graphics.
And it would be nice to get them in console form. It appears as if this Donkey Kong NES update is going to be a 3DS exclusive for now even though other territories have saw it be made available in some capacity on the Wii.
Edmond Dantes
10-04-2012, 02:53 AM
Wait wait wait wait...
Someone catch me up here. What's this about Pie Factories, Cement Factories etc. in Donkey Kong?
I'm most familiar with Donkey Kong Classics on NES and DK94 on Gameboy. I've never heard of this.
Leo_A
10-04-2012, 05:38 AM
If you've played through Donkey Kong for the Game Boy, you've played that game's version of it. The first four levels are based on the original's 4 levels.
I believe the pie factory is level #2 in that game.
Tanooki
10-04-2012, 11:38 AM
Wait wait wait wait...
Someone catch me up here. What's this about Pie Factories, Cement Factories etc. in Donkey Kong?
I'm most familiar with Donkey Kong Classics on NES and DK94 on Gameboy. I've never heard of this.
Kept short and simple. Some time ago the game popped out in Europe on the Wii as a virtual console title. It got ripped, and this rip was put into .NES header rom format. Some idiot decided to call it the 'pie factory' on custom labels for some reason and started printing labels calling it the DK Pie Factory version. I know it's slang for the cement vats that roll by but I've always found the term stupid and dumb enough I never bought the repro because of the stupid label. I do have the rom and the Classic Mario one too, and a powerpak. :D
DK Classics is just DK and DKJr original NES carts on one game pack. DK94 on GB has the origina DK 4 stages, but then blows up into a big puzzle action game with like 90+ stages to it.
Gamevet
10-04-2012, 07:30 PM
The reason that the home game didn't include missing elements such as the cement factory level was because early NES/Famicom cartridges didn't have enough storage space in the ROM chips for the additional level nor the omitted animations.
It had DK Jr. on the same cart. They could have given us the games separately. It's not like the arcade game was a memory sucking beast either. The C-64 had all 4 levels and the intro fit within 64k.
Gameguy
10-05-2012, 01:02 AM
Kept short and simple. Some time ago the game popped out in Europe on the Wii as a virtual console title. It got ripped, and this rip was put into .NES header rom format. Some idiot decided to call it the 'pie factory' on custom labels for some reason and started printing labels calling it the DK Pie Factory version. I know it's slang for the cement vats that roll by but I've always found the term stupid and dumb enough I never bought the repro because of the stupid label. I do have the rom and the Classic Mario one too, and a powerpak. :D
I picture Mario eating the cement and hallucinating the Mushroom Kingdom as a result. It's also why he's so fat. Cement is heavy.
It had DK Jr. on the same cart. They could have given us the games separately. It's not like the arcade game was a memory sucking beast either. The C-64 had all 4 levels and the intro fit within 64k.
Except what you are thinking of is 1988's "Donkey Kong Classics" and not the original stand-alone "Donkey Kong." The original Famicom "Donkey Kong" was released in 1983 as one of the launch games for the platform. When the NES launched in New York City in 1985 "Donkey Kong" was one of the three launch titles. When "Donkey Kong Classics" released in 1988 NES ROMs were large enough to house both "Donkey Kong" and "Donkey Kong Junior." After all, five years in computer advancements is like thirty-five regular years' worth of change in the human world.
j_factor
10-05-2012, 11:26 PM
Except what you are thinking of is 1988's "Donkey Kong Classics" and not the original stand-alone "Donkey Kong." The original Famicom "Donkey Kong" was released in 1983 as one of the launch games for the platform. When the NES launched in New York City in 1985 "Donkey Kong" was one of the three launch titles. When "Donkey Kong Classics" released in 1988 NES ROMs were large enough to house both "Donkey Kong" and "Donkey Kong Junior." After all, five years in computer advancements is like thirty-five regular years' worth of change in the human world.
The Colecovision version from 1982 has the same amount of content. I think they could've fit the other level in there, certainly by 1985 if not 1983.