VITA owners UNITE!

[Ryudo]

I have both 3DS XL and Vita.
3DS has the better library now. However Gravity Rush sells Vita for me. Also Ys IV is on Vita. PSP is my fave handheld ever. PSP,PSone,PS2,PS3 all took a while to get a decent library. So not worried about it. People who go on the "NO GAMES" thing well that never lasts long. NOt every system has a launch like Dreamcast. Love the Vita. I really like my 3DS but Vita takes up most of my time between the two.

Also I got my PS3 and Vita within 2 weeks of each other

[kupomogli]

WCP: Thank you for completely glossing over the 'true exclusives' part of my statement.

None of those games are exclusives, and in most cases (note *most*) are just hand me downs. Uncharted, while an original / sequel game, has the original 3 that can be played on a system most people all ready own.

Where are the Professor Laytons, the Phoenix Wrights, the Brain Ages, the Advance Wars - the games that aren't hand me downs from big brother. The ones you would *need* to buy the system to play? That's what Sony is missing, and missing in a bad way.


What's the difference of "playing a sequel on another console," and "playing a sequel on another portable." Playing Uncharted on the PS3, then playing Golden Abyss on the Vita isn't any different than playing Brain Age on the DS and then playing the its sequel on the 3DS. Your argument falls apart because you're bashing the system because, while a unique title, it's a sequel of something on a console, when you're pointing out games that are sequels on other systems, some which aren't even on the 3DS at this time either.

According to your logic, all the 3DS games I own fall under this same category. Mario Kart 7 is nothing more than a hand me down from not only other consoles, but also other portables. Resident Evil Revelations, same. Resident Evil Mercenaries is as good as a port as they could get on the 3DS, and playing this game will make you wish you were playing the console versions of Mercenaries(it's bad.) Dead or Alive Dimensions is an accumulation of all the Dead or Alive titles on a single game cartridge, so a port. I haven't opened Pilot Wings, but it's on the SNES and the N64, so it's just a shitty port. Tales of the Abyss is a port. Super Mario 3D Land is Mario, and while "okay" I would probably call it a piece of shit if it didn't have Mario graphics. New Super Mario Bros 2 is Mario.

The only game that escapes the logic you have presented is Heroes of Ruin, which yeah, that shitty Gameloft title is overall a better title, sadly. Heroes of Ruin very little content and the camera is zoomed so far in, that you can't see more than two steps in front of you. Nothing else that's been released has interested me.

So by your logic, anything good Nintendo makes isn't a true exclusive and isn't worth playing(you know why, they don't do anything but constantly rehash their same franchises,) and currently, everything on the 3DS at this time isn't worth playing since it's not a true exclusive. To me, most of the shit isn't worth playing anyways, with or without your logic. Most of the 3DS games I own felt like such a waste, especially the first party titles.


Is no one else confused as to how NBA 2K13 was released on PSP and not the Vita?

Not confused in the least. Everyone knows how lazy 2K is and I'm sure they thought about porting it over to the Vita, but came to the conclusion that since the Vita can play PSP games, why not release the PSP version and be done with it.


Do you really think 'Smart As..." is the best game for the holiday season? 12 or so games confirmed for release compared to the 3DS' 100 or so? These are the things that need to be looked at.

The 3DS has been mostly a piece of shit since release. Having more games doesn't mean the system is better. The PSP had barely any games coming out during most of its life, but most titles released were quality. The last relevant game to release on the 3DS was Code of Princess. It's one I have yet to get, but I'm interested in picking it up once it drops in price or I can get it during a sale. Target is doing a buy two get one free sometime(I think it's this week) so I'll probably pick Gravity Rush, Assassin's Creed Liberation, and Code of Princess up then.

I already picked up Ragnarok Odyssey, so with Liberation, Code of Princess, and a bunch of console games that I'm getting, there's nothing worth getting on both the 3DS or the Vita until next year. For me atleast. The 3DS may have a shit load of games coming out until the end of the year, but what's the difference when it's all shovelware. The 3DS and the Vita to me have no games coming out the rest of the year, because to me, shovelware is the same as no games.


I would be surprised if it doesn't just become a pack-in 'controller' for the PS3 and Orbis and Sony just re-invents itself as a Wii U killer.

I've said to some friends I think this should happen. If Sony releases the Vita as a pack in controller for the PS4 and market it like the Wii U is being marketed where the Vita is a tablet controller, not only will people be getting a home console, but they'll also be able to take the Vita with them on the go and play Vita, PSP, PSX, and other digital content. Also, because every PS4 owner would also own a Vita, cross buy would actually push sales a lot more than it's doing now.

[Gamereviewgod]

What's the difference of "playing a sequel on another console," and "playing a sequel on another portable." Playing Uncharted on the PS3, then playing Golden Abyss on the Vita isn't any different than playing Brain Age on the DS and then playing the its sequel on the 3DS. Your argument falls apart because you're bashing the system because, while a unique title, it's a sequel of something on a console, when you're pointing out games that are sequels on other systems, some which aren't even on the 3DS at this time either.

According to your logic, all the 3DS games I own fall under this same category. Mario Kart 7 is nothing more than a hand me down from not only other consoles, but also other portables. Resident Evil Revelations, same. Resident Evil Mercenaries is as good as a port as they could get on the 3DS, and playing this game will make you wish you were playing the console versions of Mercenaries(it's bad.) Dead or Alive Dimensions is an accumulation of all the Dead or Alive titles on a single game cartridge, so a port. I haven't opened Pilot Wings, but it's on the SNES and the N64, so it's just a shitty port. Tales of the Abyss is a port. Super Mario 3D Land is Mario, and while "okay" I would probably call it a piece of shit if it didn't have Mario graphics. New Super Mario Bros 2 is Mario.

The hand me down quote is dead on for a lot of the Vita. The simple fact of it is that it comes down to whether or not you'd want to play a game like Uncharted GA on a console, and really, I wouldn't. The same for Resistance. It's not because they're lacking the console quality of scale, they're lacking in basic fundamentals when they TRY to emulate their console brethren. Those two games in particular have their moments here and there, but are quite static and lack the fluidity needed to sell them conceptually.

They're not bad games, just sub-par ones, and for some reasons, people are expected to make exceptions because it's a portable. I could go back and play Game Boy titles I would love to have on the NES, Game Gear titles I would play on the Genesis, and GBA titles I would kill for on say, the SNES. The GBA provides a number of great examples of trying too hard to mimic consoles too though. A lot of the 3D titles (Driver) never should have been on the GBA. Those games were made for the sake of the tech, not because it benefited gameplay.

The Vita can work as a piece of tech. I can look back on the God of War PSP titles and say, "Damn, THAT'S how you do it." Syphon Filters? Great. That's how it's done, but unfortunately, most of the Vita exclusives based on key franchises are more concerned with existing than providing quality gameplay.

[kupomogli]

They're not bad games, just sub-par ones, and for some reasons, people are expected to make exceptions because it's a portable.

We must have played a different Uncharted Golden Abyss then, because outside of some forced touch screen functionalities, it was a good game. A good game is a good game. Doesn't matter what system it's on. If Uncharted Golden Abyss was the exact same thing without the touch functions and the worse graphics, and on the PS3, it'd still be a good game. It's quite obvious if you compare it to Uncharted 2 and 3 it's not going to be as good, but very few games are of that quality. Uncharted Golden Abyss is a better game than the original Uncharted, which is better than most single player shooting games released this gen, so I'm fine with it.

Wipeout 2048 isn't only an amazing game, it's, in my opinion, the best Wipeout game. Good job for a hand me down if I say so myself. Or maybe I'm just making exceptions for it because it's a portable game. That has to be it. There's no way a portable game can be better than its console counterpart, even though it's exclusive content alone makes it the better title, and then it's got all of the content from HD as DLC. It's surely the worse game.

Little Big Planet. The single player on this title is just as good as LBP2 and for the most part, the multiplayer functionalities are the same. I say for the most part not because the Vita version is lacking, but because LBP2 is lacking. There have been many new options added. There are the Vita specific controls schemes that can now be implemented, but are also new features, such as being able to allow someone to save their game and continue from their save at a later time. The Vita version also allows players to download any game to play at a later time(it's still not editable unless allowed by the owner.) So you can download your favorite LBP Vita stages and play them anywhere, both offline and online. Damn you hand me down LBP Vita for being such a great game! Damn you!!!!!

[Gamereviewgod]

We must have played a different Uncharted Golden Abyss then, because outside of some forced touch screen functionalities, it was a good game. A good game is a good game. Doesn't matter what system it's on. If Uncharted Golden Abyss was the exact same thing without the touch functions and the worse graphics, and on the PS3, it'd still be a good game. It's quite obvious if you compare it to Uncharted 2 and 3 it's not going to be as good, but very few games are of that quality. Uncharted Golden Abyss is a better game than the original Uncharted, which is better than most single player shooting games released this gen, so I'm fine with it.

Wipeout 2048 isn't only an amazing game, it's, in my opinion, the best Wipeout game. Good job for a hand me down if I say so myself. Or maybe I'm just making exceptions for it because it's a portable game. That has to be it. There's no way a portable game can be better than its console counterpart, even though it's exclusive content alone makes it the better title, and then it's got all of the content from HD as DLC. It's surely the worse game.

Little Big Planet. The single player on this title is just as good as LBP2 and for the most part, the multiplayer functionalities are the same. I say for the most part not because the Vita version is lacking, but because LBP2 is lacking. There have been many new options added. There are the Vita specific controls schemes that can now be implemented, but are also new features, such as being able to allow someone to save their game and continue from their save at a later time. The Vita version also allows players to download any game to play at a later time(it's still not editable unless allowed by the owner.) So you can download your favorite LBP Vita stages and play them anywhere, both offline and online. Damn you hand me down LBP Vita for being such a great game! Damn you!!!!!

Golden Abyss was a mess because it was shoehorned onto the console at launch and forced to utilize every feature. Pacing was poor, gunplay was sloppy, and intrusions for touch screen shenanigans were a waste of time. As impressive as it was technically, it was blase, and I would NOT have been happy to play it on a console just like I wasn't on a portable.

I never said a portable game couldn't be better than a console game, or even a great game. I said the Vita doesn't have any that are because they're forced into an odd corner of dev budget vs. low potential sales vs. hardware strength. Wipeout IS fantastic, but again, hit with technical hurdles it can't overcome. Variety isn't there for budgetary & space concerns. You can count the number of course textures on one hand sometimes, where the PS3 explodes into an array of colors, saturation, and depth. It's striking on the small screen, but again, you can't just look at that and ignore the rest. The PS3 version was what, $15? Sony wanted $40 at launch for the Vita Wipeout. It's not even close from a consumer perspective.

Early portable games worked because they were allowed to be different by the nature of limited hardware, and thus came expectations. The Vita comes in and wants to play with the big guns, and all it's done is make the flubs more apparent. Given lackluster sales and budgets that will never come up to the level they need to be, it's an awkward unit. Mine is played here and there, but it feels like a stop gap towards better hardware.

Edit: Thought of another way to put it. It's no different than other console launches. We're all wowed by what the console can without considering if it's doing it WELL. Resistance is sort of like, "Wow, a FPS with two sticks on a portable! Awesome!" Considering that it plays like something from 2003 never really registers until the hype dies down.

[Dangerboy]

In fairness, Brain Age (it was called Big Brain) and Advance Wars both had Wii versions...

Time out.

Time out.

Time out.

a. Brain Age and Big Brain are two different games on the DS. 'Brother and sister games' like Pokemon Black and White. The Wii version of Big Brain was a hand-me UP 2 years later.

b. I will pay $100 for Advance Wars on the Wii. I'm fairly certain you're mistaking "Battalion Wars" for Advance Wars. BW is a real time action game with tactical options. Advance Wars is a turn based strategy game with no relation to each other unless "Wars" now connects any two games at the hip with it in their name.


...and by your standards, every Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda or other marquee Nintendo game on the 3DS would be a "hand me down" as well.

No trying to put words in my mouth.

Zelda 64 was a textured hand me down from the N64. Mario Kart 7, while not a true hand me down, is too mired in recycled tracks and minimal upgrades (Like every MK game since the N64). It's the Madden of Nintendo releases (right next to Animal Crossing). Super Mario Land was fairly original and wouldn't be a hand me down. In fact, I don't think I've bought a 3DS game since Super Mario Land - and SML was amazing.

... it does have some fairly niche recent or upcoming titles like Ragnarok Odyssey and DJ Max Technika.

$250 (+ Memory Card) is a fairly high price to play 2 games. One of which has versions available on the PSP. I never said the whole library was shit, in fact, I never questioned the quality of the games. I'm criticizing the selection of games. It's pitiful that the Vita doesn't have enough of it's own, no-relation-to-another-system's games.

I brought up "Professor Laytons, the Phoenix Wrights, the Brain Ages, advance wars" because they were born and bred on the portable and have maintained that lineage. Yes, Big Brain got a WIi release, but you can't play Professor Layton on anything but a DS, meaning you *need* a DS to play that game. I don't have to a Vita to play Uncharted, Rayman, Wipeout, etc no matter how good they are, because I have them all ready on another platform. *That's* the Vita's library problem - it doesn't have enough actual exclusive games.

So by your logic, anything good Nintendo makes isn't a true exclusive and isn't worth playing

a. Did I miss the seminar on twisting people's words around?

b. See previous reply - Nintendo is the Apple of the gaming industry. They do minimal upgrades with lots of pomp and circumstance. Pilotwings 3DS was a shit rip from a Wii game, Zelda was just a fancy N64 game, etc. Layton is a sequel, not a hand me down, so that falls under different criteria. That said, Super Mario Land 3DS was a superb and for-the-sake-of-argument 'original' game in the 3DS.

We can bicker and argue Nintendo's problems in another thread at another time. This is about a Vita owner (me) being very fucking concerned about the lack of anything original for his system.


Not confused in the least. Everyone knows how lazy 2K is and I'm sure they thought about porting it over to the Vita, but came to the conclusion that since the Vita can play PSP games, why not release the PSP version and be done with it.

Translation: A game company so lazy couldn't even be bother to just farm out the game code to a 3rd party to port and bring out to please all those sports fans who have nothing but Madden and baseball to play because, really, fuck basketball. Not like, you know, there could have been a market for it...or any game on a thirsty system, for that matter.

Nintendo also delayed Luigi's Mansion 2, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing until next year.

Yes, except with those being delayed they didn't lose 20-25% of the upcoming library, which is what would happen if 3 Vita games got delayed.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. At the moment, there are roughly EIGHT confirmed games left for Vita's upcoming release, and that goes through March 2013.

Worry.

[kupomogli]

Dragon's Crown has been confirmed for North American release sometime in 2013. It's just not on most release lists. Atlus took over as publisher and also is helping with development. It's going to be for both PS3 and Vita and they've announced a North American release as "when it's finished in 2013." I've got it preordered at Amazon for $30 on the PS3. I messaged Amazon and complained about the price increase since I already had it preordered, so I have it preordered again for the same price, just Atlus as publisher now.

Dragon's Crown also has cross play between PS3 and Vita for those might prefer the Vita version but still wants to play with friends on the PS3.

Sacred 3 and Lords of Shadow 2 were also confirmed to be released on the Vita. Again, no specific dates, but confirmation of release. Western games, so these ones won't be Japan exclusives. Although it's happened before. Beavis and Butthead Virtual Stupidity for the PSX was a port that was only released in Japan.

[Dangerboy]

Kupo: When they have a solid confirmed street day of release, I'll amend the statement and the list.

[Bojay1997]

In fairness, Brain Age (it was called Big Brain) and Advance Wars both had Wii versions...

Time out.

Time out.

Time out.

a. Brain Age and Big Brain are two different games on the DS. 'Brother and sister games' like Pokemon Black and White. The Wii version of Big Brain was a hand-me UP 2 years later.

b. I will pay $100 for Advance Wars on the Wii. I'm fairly certain you're mistaking "Battalion Wars" for Advance Wars. BW is a real time action game with tactical options. Advance Wars is a turn based strategy game with no relation to each other unless "Wars" now connects any two games at the hip with it in their name.


...and by your standards, every Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda or other marquee Nintendo game on the 3DS would be a "hand me down" as well.

No trying to put words in my mouth.

Zelda 64 was a textured hand me down from the N64. Mario Kart 7, while not a true hand me down, is too mired in recycled tracks and minimal upgrades (Like every MK game since the N64). It's the Madden of Nintendo releases (right next to Animal Crossing). Super Mario Land was fairly original and wouldn't be a hand me down. In fact, I don't think I've bought a 3DS game since Super Mario Land - and SML was amazing.

... it does have some fairly niche recent or upcoming titles like Ragnarok Odyssey and DJ Max Technika.

$250 (+ Memory Card) is a fairly high price to play 2 games. One of which has versions available on the PSP. I never said the whole library was shit, in fact, I never questioned the quality of the games. I'm criticizing the selection of games. It's pitiful that the Vita doesn't have enough of it's own, no-relation-to-another-system's games.

I brought up "Professor Laytons, the Phoenix Wrights, the Brain Ages, advance wars" because they were born and bred on the portable and have maintained that lineage. Yes, Big Brain got a WIi release, but you can't play Professor Layton on anything but a DS, meaning you *need* a DS to play that game. I don't have to a Vita to play Uncharted, Rayman, Wipeout, etc no matter how good they are, because I have them all ready on another platform. *That's* the Vita's library problem - it doesn't have enough actual exclusive games.

So by your logic, anything good Nintendo makes isn't a true exclusive and isn't worth playing

a. Did I miss the seminar on twisting people's words around?

b. See previous reply - Nintendo is the Apple of the gaming industry. They do minimal upgrades with lots of pomp and circumstance. Pilotwings 3DS was a shit rip from a Wii game, Zelda was just a fancy N64 game, etc. Layton is a sequel, not a hand me down, so that falls under different criteria. That said, Super Mario Land 3DS was a superb and for-the-sake-of-argument 'original' game in the 3DS.

We can bicker and argue Nintendo's problems in another thread at another time. This is about a Vita owner (me) being very fucking concerned about the lack of anything original for his system.


Not confused in the least. Everyone knows how lazy 2K is and I'm sure they thought about porting it over to the Vita, but came to the conclusion that since the Vita can play PSP games, why not release the PSP version and be done with it.

Translation: A game company so lazy couldn't even be bother to just farm out the game code to a 3rd party to port and bring out to please all those sports fans who have nothing but Madden and baseball to play because, really, fuck basketball. Not like, you know, there could have been a market for it...or any game on a thirsty system, for that matter.

Nintendo also delayed Luigi's Mansion 2, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing until next year.

Yes, except with those being delayed they didn't lose 20-25% of the upcoming library, which is what would happen if 3 Vita games got delayed.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. At the moment, there are roughly EIGHT confirmed games left for Vita's upcoming release, and that goes through March 2013.

Worry.

Apparently I don't understand your use of the terms "hand me down" or "true exclusives". Are you just talking about ports then (i.e. a game that has it's code taken and adapted such that it can be played on another platform)? Because if that's the case, there are a few Vita games that aren't true exclusives, but most of the first party Sony stuff would be true exclusives in the sense that they are completely original games based on the same underlying IP. I agree with you that Nintendo and the 3DS is completely irrelevant to this discussion, but you're the one that brought it up by referencing four games, only one of which has had a 3DS iteration thus far. I'll give you the Advance Wars argument (although Nintendo did link BW to the Wars series both in the US and Japan by title, although not gameplay), but Big Brain is about as blatant a port as you could have between a handheld and console.

I suspect what you are really arguing is that the Vita doesn't have any must buy titles such that a system purchase would be justified. I would argue that I haven't seen much on any console or handheld this generation that would justify a hardware purchase in and of itself, but that I have enjoyed playing the Vita at least as much as my 3DS or DS before it. I would also argue that there are a number of Vita games on the horizon that simply haven't hit the GS preorder lists yet including many niche JRPGs that have been picked up for localization. The same is true of the 3DS. You won't see tons of announcements until the new year as nobody ever makes major release slate announcements during the prime holiday sales season.

[WCP]

Wipeout IS fantastic, but again, hit with technical hurdles it can't overcome. Variety isn't there for budgetary & space concerns. You can count the number of course textures on one hand sometimes, where the PS3 explodes into an array of colors, saturation, and depth. It's striking on the small screen, but again, you can't just look at that and ignore the rest. The PS3 version was what, $15? Sony wanted $40 at launch for the Vita Wipeout. It's not even close from a consumer perspective.




Wipeout on Vita isn't perfect. It has it's issues (difficulty is too high). However, it's an absolute showcase piece of software for the Vita. It looks beautiful, it sounds amazing, and it plays very well. Whenever I want a burst of 10 to 15 minutes of amazing graphics and sounds, I'll throw in Wipout 2048.

[NayusDante]

There's still no 1:1 pixel mapping for PSP software, and there's still very little in the way of original content. I looked at the PSMobile content, and it's the same App Shop stuff you see everywhere else. I'm kind of looking forward to PSO2, but not much else.

[Leo_A]

1:1 pixel mapping for PSP software would make things pretty tiny. I imagine they don't think there's enough of a call for it to bother with when it upscales so easily as it is. A single PSP pixel equates to exactly 4 Vita pixels which is a design clearly intended to make PSP upscaling as easy as possible without the need for a complex upscaling algorithm. So I really don't think 1:1 pixel mapping for PSP software was ever in the cards.

I suspect the visual issues that someone may be seeing that they're blaming on the upscaling process has more to do with the larger viewing area of a Vita screen (Which is a significant size increase compared to the UMD PSP models and also a decent upgrade in size over the Go's screen) making flaws more evident that may of not been as obvious before and the different color range of a Vita screen that can give colors slightly different hues on the Vita compared to something like a PSP 2000.

And if you're going from a relatively dim PSP 1000 to the Vita, there'd be even more that you're noticing now for the first time. Both good things like little details you may of missed in the past and negatives like visual flaws that may of not been so obvious in the past like low resolution textures.

[WCP]

I have both 3DS XL and Vita.
3DS has the better library now.


Here's the thing. My son has a 3DS XL. I've played 3D Mario Land, Mario Kart 7 and Pilotwings. I've played Pushmo and Mutant Mudds. All 5 of those games are good games. Mario Land is a killer app, no question about it. Mario Kart 7 is extremely solid. I actually really enjoy Pilotwings. Pushmo and Mutant Mudds are both good downloadable titles.


But what else does the 3DS have ?


I know it has the NSMB game that just came out, but I've heard that game is a somewhat boring coin collecting fest. It's a been there, done that, type of thing. Of course, Mario Sticker Star is coming out. Not sure if that would be my type of game or not, but it looks interesting. Still, I don't see 15 quality 3DS games. I'm not sure I even see 10 solid 3DS games. I will admit that I'm the rare bird that actually likes sports games, and the Vita is super strong in that department. Most people could probably care less if the 3DS had good sports games, but I enjoy sports games on a portable. I don't play sports games too much on console, but on portables, I like it for whatever reason...

[kupomogli]

I don't get why people want 1:1 when playing PSP games on the Vita because the games look noticeably better when playing on the Vita the way they are.

Just look at this comparison. It shows the anime opening then a demo level of Maverick Hunter X, and on both 2D and 3D it clearly outshines the PSP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w4t1ef7ETg

The color on games when emulating also look better. Although if you want to wash the colors out slightly so they look closer to what the console pushes you can always turn on one of the filtering options(don't remember which one it is.)

*edit*

For those who hate using the touch screen on the OS. If you're on the latest firmware you can go into the settings menu and change it so you can use the buttons to control the menu. You might be thinking that it doesn't work well, but it does, and it doesn't work on just the OS, it works on a lot of the programs as well. Even when it's turned on you can still use the touch screen features as well. Too bad they don't patch some of the games to use the controls on the menu options as well(Uncharted for sure.)

[duffmanth]

Here's the thing. My son has a 3DS XL. I've played 3D Mario Land, Mario Kart 7 and Pilotwings. I've played Pushmo and Mutant Mudds. All 5 of those games are good games. Mario Land is a killer app, no question about it. Mario Kart 7 is extremely solid. I actually really enjoy Pilotwings. Pushmo and Mutant Mudds are both good downloadable titles.


But what else does the 3DS have ?


I know it has the NSMB game that just came out, but I've heard that game is a somewhat boring coin collecting fest. It's a been there, done that, type of thing. Of course, Mario Sticker Star is coming out. Not sure if that would be my type of game or not, but it looks interesting. Still, I don't see 15 quality 3DS games. I'm not sure I even see 10 solid 3DS games. I will admit that I'm the rare bird that actually likes sports games, and the Vita is super strong in that department. Most people could probably care less if the 3DS had good sports games, but I enjoy sports games on a portable. I don't play sports games too much on console, but on portables, I like it for whatever reason...

Nintendo portables have never been strong when it comes to sports titles, Sony has always had a much better selection of sports games.

[substantial_snake]

So does anyone here actually own Resistance: Burning Skies?

Heard it got bad to average reviews and I see people make snide comments about it a lot but I just played the demo and it was actually not bad at all.

[Oldskool]

I played the demo too. Seemed like a good game. It seems this day if a title is not an AAAAAA title then it deserves to be slammed.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

FUCK YEAH!!!

I am SO motherfucking glad that I held off on buying Gravity Rush (as difficult as that was to do considering how much I enjoyed the demo).

Breaking news: Playstation PLUS makes its way to Vita starting next week with the following SIX games available for free:


Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Wipeout 2048
Gravity Rush
Jet Set Radio
Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions
Mutant Blobs Attack


I can NOT stress this ENOUGH:

If you own a PS3, ENROLL IN PLUS!

If you own a PS3 and a Vita, ENROLL! IN! PLUS!

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/11/13/playstation-plus-for-ps-vita-available-next-week-take-the-tour/

[RCM]

I can NOT stress this ENOUGH:

If you own a PS3, ENROLL IN PLUS!

If you own a PS3 and a Vita, ENROLL! IN! PLUS!

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/11/13/playstation-plus-for-ps-vita-available-next-week-take-the-tour/

I like what Sony is doing with PP, but it's simply TOO MUCH FUCKING content for me. If I played more on traditional consoles I'd probably sign up, especially if I could keep all these "free" games after my subscription ended.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I like what Sony is doing with PP, but it's simply TOO MUCH FUCKING content for me. If I played more on traditional consoles I'd probably sign up, especially if I could keep all these "free" games after my subscription ended.

Heh, too much content is a problem that I love having!

I would think that it mirrors a lot of our physical collecting tendencies here, no?

While cancellation of Plus locks out downloaded games, you can keep anything that's NOT a GAME proper (avatars, add-ons, themes, soundtracks, etc.) that's free and any GAME that's purchased with a discounted price.

[kupomogli]

I like what Sony is doing with PP, but it's simply TOO MUCH FUCKING content for me. If I played more on traditional consoles I'd probably sign up, especially if I could keep all these "free" games after my subscription ended.

Not being able to keep the games after the subscription ends is a good argument in itself, but with how many good games that have been offered month after month, sometimes games that just came out(Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown was on PS+ within the first week for example) one could make a better argument that why not just continue paying for the subscription.

Now that both Vita and PSP games are free on PS+, it's just one more push towards getting me to sign up for the service rather than just game sharing and getting the service from a friends account. Although, I can currently play any PSP game I want on my Vita, including games like Crisis Core or Mega Man Powered Up. I still don't have Gravity Rush and that's what's really pushing me, but I want physical content. I'll either get PS+ and wait for a price drop on Gravity Rush or I'll wait until PS+ offers something else.

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I'm on chapter three on Ragnarok Odyssey. Here's my opinion on it for anyone who's interested in it.

As you're probably already aware, it's a faster paced Monster Hunter clone style game. You've got multiple classes, each based on a weapon style. Each weapon style has a weak combo string and strong attacks can be input during any portion of the string to enable finisher combos. So at the start or whenever choosing a new class, you'll want to get used to your attacks and all finisher combos since you can continue to hit the heavy attack to do more hits on a finisher combo, some allowing you to charge certain attacks, hitting enemies up into the air to do an aerial combo. The game has dashing and blocking, although neither can interrupt an attack, but weak attacks have such a short recovery time that you can do dash or block quicker.

To me, this game feels like one of those borderline, good and bad games. Playing through the game you go quest after quest, a lot of them just going through as you kill this many of a certain enemy, or collect this many of a certain item. I usually check and see what has to be done, but then go through and kill everyone and collect every destructable box. The reason I even view my objective is because one objective I failed five times in a row as there is a boss during that stage that you don't actually have to kill but at the time I assumed you did, and even getting to that boss as fast as I could, I couldn't beat it without time running out it had so much HP. If I only attacked the boxes in the room the boss was in the objective would have been complete as I would have acquired enough of the item I was looking for. Overall the main problem though with this game is that it's too repetitive on what you're supposed to do.

What's enjoyable about this game though is certain points during quests where you'll fight either the boss monsters, a lot of harder monsters in locked rooms, a room covered in small monsters, etc. You find a lot of different weapons, some that are more powerful than what you can currently purchase or currently have equipped and then upgrade them for high attack output. Then there's the different pieces of armor and cards, which is the main stat modifier of your character. You do get a level up after completing each chapter, a small increase in HP, AP, and Strength, but modifying weapons and inserting cards into your armor are what really increases strength growth. With cards, you have multiple different styles that range from increasing stats such as hp, ap, attack, and defense, character weapon profiency, giving character more power in the air or on the ground, increased invincibility during dashes, longer dashes, elemental weapons, etc, etc.

If you're a fan of Monster Hunter, then there's a good possibility that you might like this game. If you like Monster Hunter but you're not too much of a fan, then I'd say that there's a good chance this also won't appeal to you. This game might look more like Phantasy Star Portable than Monster Hunter Online because in a way it is, but it doesn't have the same feel to it that a Phantasy Star Online/Portable game has. Feels more like Monster Hunter with much smaller sized maps with gameplay that resembles Phantasy Star Portable if that makes any sense.

There's a demo soon to come out for the game this week or next, I'd recommend checking that out before purchasing. Like I said, I enjoy the game and it's still got that addictive nature that keeps me wanting to progress, but at the same time, I feel it's not worth what I paid for it.

[NayusDante]

I'm seriously considering PS+ if it means actually having something to play on my Vita. I wouldn't buy Uncharted, but I'd play it if I had access to it. The thing is, I'm trying to work through my backlog, and I don't need more digital titles filling it up.

This would be something I'd be more inclined to try month-to-month. Having to pay for 3 or 12 month blocks is a bit much for something that I may not have time to enjoy. Maybe if I cancel Netflix or my CD-of-the month subscriptions...

[substantial_snake]

I played the demo too. Seemed like a good game. It seems this day if a title is not an AAAAAA title then it deserves to be slammed.

Exactly. Starting to become suspicious now that I've played Black Ops: Declassified and its a decent game even though critics have shit all over it so far, seems really odd to me. Really fun to read in Europocket.uk the reviewer complaining about having to go out a buy a copy of the game rather then being given a review copy as a negative...before the review was redacted from their site. :roll: Anyways I've put a couple of hours into this one now and two things are apparent, that its totally not worth the standard $50 dollar price tag and that its a really fun COD experience. The game simply needs more content to justify that high price and this doesn't have it, but what is here is solid and really fun.

The game is divided into three modes campaign, hostiles, and multiplayer.

Campaign is broken up into a semi-story driven mission stricture kinda like Unit 13, while each mission is only about 5-10 minutes long there are 10 individual missions. There each short but very difficult for a COD game on anything but easy that both track your time a score for a leaderboard ranking against those on your friends list. There is also a Time Attack mode which is the same gameplay idea of getting the fastest high score but on a training range like in the opening to MW1 and MW2 with 5 separate maps to play.

Hostiles is just like what we had in MW2 last year. Its simply a single player against waves of ai soldiers, kill a wave, get an caredrop, and rince repeat. Seems to have 5 different maps dedicated to this mode as well.

Multiplayer is missing many things but feels pretty much like mix between MW1 and Black Ops multiplayer, with a max of 4v4 players. It only has as far as I can tell 5 game modes; Team Deathmatch, Kill Confirmed, Drop Zone, and Free-for-All, with another game type just jumbling the 3 team types at random. There are no options for hardcore mode or anything else either, just these basic game types. However it runs smooth online and is a lot of fun to play. The Killstreaks have been way dialed back and again remind me of MW1 in that regard. The game also has a good selection of weapons but not as many as black ops did and class "detail" customization is non existent like particular red dots and face paints. I'm pretty sure there are 6 maps to this mode but I have yet to play them all, so far though they mostly cut down maps inspired by black ops maps, like Nuke House is half of the street and one house/backyard in the console Nuketown. The maps seem pretty perfect for the player count though, they neither feel empty or completly chaotic (excusing Nukehouse of course). Overall although missing a lot of stuff it really fun and frantic COD multiplayer.

The controls for the game work just fine as well, grenade and knife are front screen touch and work ok, although the knife can be a bit finikey at times. Rear touch is used for steadying aim with sniper rifles, and you can set sprint to auto on or off. I believe auto-off you need to press down on the d-pad to activate it but it seems to work well for me automatically in facing forward so I keep it on that. The graphics are fine outside of a low rex texture here or there and stay pretty solid at 30 fps, only really experiencing dips when a lot of people are in one place shooting and lobbing off grenades at once.

Declassified is a cut down COD on a handheld made for bite sized stretches of play, if thats what you looking for it does that well. I am having a blast with it atm but its definitely not worth the 50 bucks they want for it, maybe 40-30 considering how much hard content there is in the game. I actually hope this one gets DLC (though I doubt it) because the underlying mechanics are really fun to play, it just needs more of it.

Also if you get a physical copy you get a Call of Duty Road to Victory PSP game voucher as well, already been confirmed so far to not come with the download version apparently.

[dgdgagdae]

I couldn't tell from what I've seen and read to far - can you get PS+ if you only have a Vita and not a PS3?

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I couldn't tell from what I've seen and read to far - can you get PS+ if you only have a Vita and not a PS3?

I believe so.

This wasn't the case with PSP since Plus never officially came to the device as a subscription service even though PSP compatible software is regularly offered through the service.

You should find Plus sign-up in the PSN store on the Vita starting next Tuesday evening.

[dgdgagdae]

I believe so.

This wasn't the case with PSP since Plus never officially came to the device as a subscription service even though PSP compatible software is regularly offered through the service.

You should find Plus sign-up in the PSN store on the Vita starting next Tuesday evening.

I knew you couldn't sign up on the PSP. I don't have a Vita, but this might push me toward getting one.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I knew you couldn't sign up on the PSP. I don't have a Vita, but this might push me toward getting one.

Yeah, just mentioned that because it's a typical question that comes up in the same breath as asking if it's available on Vita.

I wonder why they never did it on PSP ... I suppose they were concerned about rampant piracy on the devices taking advantage of potential exploits or something.

[Oldskool]

I don't have a PS3 so I wasn't interested in PS+. Now that it's available on the Vita I think I am gonna do it for sure. One this is for sure though, I will need a larger memory card than 2GB. Anyone know of a smoking deal on memory cards? Maybe for Cyber Monday?

[NayusDante]

Just a heads up, if you buy a PS+ subscription, it appears that it auto-renews. I've got a family trip this week, so I figured I'd try it and actually have something to play on my Vita.

Edit: Oh, that's interesting. It reactivated the games from the "oops, sorry we leaked your credit card" reward package. Do PS+ games from a long time ago reactivate if you lapse and then resubscribe?

[kupomogli]

Do PS+ games from a long time ago reactivate if you lapse and then resubscribe?

Yes..

[WCP]

I'm thinking about getting my kids a 1 year subscription to PS+ as one of their Xmas gifts. They both have Vita's.

the question is, what is the cutoff date to download this first batch of games ? Do I need to activate their accounts before Xmas and puchase (lease), the games on PSN with their account by a certain date ? If they want to get the first batch of games like Uncharted, Wipeout and Gravity Rush, etc, etc....

[NayusDante]

While signed in to a PS+ activated PSN ID, you can add the games to your cart and activate them on a PS3. I'm pretty sure the Vita needs to be set up with that same account in order to transfer and play the content.

My guess is that the cutoff for this batch is going to be before Christmas, so your kids would probably see you adding + to their accounts and putting things on their download list if you did it beforehand.

[WCP]

While signed in to a PS+ activated PSN ID, you can add the games to your cart and activate them on a PS3. I'm pretty sure the Vita needs to be set up with that same account in order to transfer and play the content.

My guess is that the cutoff for this batch is going to be before Christmas, so your kids would probably see you adding + to their accounts and putting things on their download list if you did it beforehand.

I could do it on the PS3 and they won't notice. Also, i think I could go into their Vita's and do it, and just "purchase" the games, but don't actually start downloading the games. I just need to know the cutoff date, so I can start it before a new batch of games come.

One of the biggest problems is the cost of the memory cards. One of them has an 8 gig memory card, and the other one has a 4 gig memory card. It's too bad the proprietary memory cards are so damned expensive, because it would be better if they both had 16 gig cards, but they are way too expensive...

[Oldskool]

I could do it on the PS3 and they won't notice. Also, i think I could go into their Vita's and do it, and just "purchase" the games, but don't actually start downloading the games. I just need to know the cutoff date, so I can start it before a new batch of games come.

One of the biggest problems is the cost of the memory cards. One of them has an 8 gig memory card, and the other one has a 4 gig memory card. It's too bad the proprietary memory cards are so damned expensive, because it would be better if they both had 16 gig cards, but they are way too expensive...

I agree. I have noticed that the price has gone down a bit and I suspect the prices on the memory cards will only fall when no one is buying them. They won't ever be cheap though.

Who else is excited about Phantasy Star Online 2 Vita? I know that I am - especially because it's a free game (still might get the special edition bundle). I do know that my memory card would be pretty much full if I installed that game. It's just a 4gb card which sucks (I said 2gb earlier oops).

I am very excited about PS+ though and will probably sign up as soon as I can.

[kupomogli]

I'm not so much of a PC fan so I'll get the Vita version of PSO2 as well. Kind of sucks that it's online only though. Wish they'd make an offline mode also.

I don't know if any of you are Gust fans. I'm not. One thing I never liked about them is that all their PS3 games are PS1 or even PS2 quality, but they are porting Atalier Totori Adventurer of Arland to the Vita. It's a port, but this game looks much more appealing on the Vita than on the PS3 because it actually takes advantage of the hardware.

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The PS3 version was localized, so there's a possibility that this would be as well. Hopefully Sony doesn't hold it back from being released here since it's a port though. The system needs all the games it can get, and if I was Sony, I'd allow ports, but have something set in place where they can't just port every game on the PS3. Maybe require atleast a 75 Metacritic rating or something like that since everyone goes off of Metacritic for everything. Just to get more games out there.

[substantial_snake]

Just got Persona 4 Golden today.

The game itself both looks and sounds great on the Vita. I'm not sure exactly what is added to this version since I never got too far in the PS2 version. The amazon pre-order/Golden edition screen cover it came with is solid too. It functions as both a screen protector and face cover so it won't fall apart like cheap Hong Kong screens. The thing also had a nice matte texture, feels and looks great overall.

The Vita's gloss is nice but the fingerprints were driving me crazy and even with frequent cleaning they were just always there. Really tired of super glossy electronics from a purely practical perspective. lol

[Oldskool]

It sure looks sweet though.

Most beautiful handheld ever.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

The Vita's gloss is nice but the fingerprints were driving me crazy and even with frequent cleaning they were just always there. Really tired of super glossy electronics from a purely practical perspective. lol

Fo sho.

Get yourself a small microfiber cloth or two at your local dollar store. Those are a fucking miracle product for getting rid of fingerprints and dust without scratching a gloss finish surface and the best part is for light jobs they don't need any type of cleaning fluid.

[substantial_snake]

Fo sho.

Get yourself a small microfiber cloth or two at your local dollar store. Those are a fucking miracle product for getting rid of fingerprints and dust without scratching a gloss finish surface and the best part is for light jobs they don't need any type of cleaning fluid.

I am well aware of microfiber cloths. its what I've been using to wipe down my various electronics for years now. I just tired of having to wipe them down all the time because of super gloss and my finderprints. lol

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[kupomogli]

Anyone else putting time into Aqua Kitty? This game is very fun and still free on Playstation Mobile until either tomorrow or Wednesday, depending on your region.

The game is short, it only either 20(?) stages and an infinite stage, but after you get past the first set of stages, it gets harder. I really didn't have any trouble saving all the cats in each stage until I got to the final stage in the third set. There are seven waves, but as soon as you hit wave three, it gets very difficult. I've completed it with one cat alive and I've got to the last wave a few times with all the cats alive, but haven't been able to complete it with all cats alive. The rest of the stages on the third set are all a joke compared to this one.

For any of you who like Defender, that's what the game is. Aqua Kitty Milk Mine Defender. When your cats are being captured you can't kill them like you can in Defender and you don't have to grab them and then set them on the ground. There are more bullets flying around in later levels on this game than in Defender. Multiple different enemy types. they all shoot differently, some explode when you shoot, some take a ton of hits, some take a few, some just take one, others have homing missiles and take a few hits, etc.

Defender fans should like it though, especially the infinite stage. According to the website it will eventually come out on Xbox and PC. They had something trying to get it on Steam but doesn't look like it went through.

[LordsOfSkulls]

I got couple problems with Vita.

1) They screwed PSP Owners with no Support for UMDs or even a Discount (even though they did it in Japan)

2) Forcing on to you Digital Support for Games.... (Which is kinda b.s.)

3) A lot of games for PS Vita as it was said earlier in this thread are "Multiconsole Games" i dont know about you but i rather play with my friend games that have multiplayer on PS3 + Big screen than buying 2 Vitas and 2 Games to be able to enjoy multiplayer.

4) Not Enough Exclusives

5) Digital Games eat up your memory fast thus, making you get most expansive Memory Card (32GB = $100)

6) Waiting for 1-5 hours to redownload the game to play instead of having physical copy.

7) Sucking at getting certain games/forcing developers to bring it over... good example "Monster Hunter Series" that is like number 1 most popular game series on PSP (their last handheld) in japan they have it both on PS Vita/PS3 - raised the sales sky high and been runing as number 1 game sale on the systems for a long time.


What i like about it and only reason of thinking of getting it is....

1) Feels better in hand than PSP

2) Stronger System, so faster/better experience watching Netflix on the go

3) Ability to play and download certain PS1/PSP games that cost now $50+ to get for just under $10 (that big plus for me)

4) Amazing graphics it like having PS3 in your hands.



But the biggest problem is still for me Forcing Digital, Abandoning PSP owners, Lack of getting games that need to be on the system

Reason i picked up last christmas 3DS XL instead of Vita. + Support for older generation (DS Games) which has large libary that i started and been enjoying collecting. Also Amazing Exclusive titles that are just not ports, and very heavy focused on RPGs.

Oh and best of all... Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate in March for Wii U (in HD) and 3DS XL and whole reason why i want to buy a WII U

[kaedesdisciple]

Anyone else putting time into Aqua Kitty? This game is very fun and still free on Playstation Mobile until either tomorrow or Wednesday, depending on your region...

Totally, I am having a blast with this little game. Just like you said when I got to the last stage of the third area, it got real hard real fast. Have you listened to the sound on it? Sounds like they got some decent chiptunes in there as well.

Highly recommended from me.

[kupomogli]

Finally beat Aqua Kitty. There's one stage on the final set of stages that I doubt I'll be able to save all the cats. It was hard enough just completing it. It was on the bottom row of stages, but not the last one which was easy(although kind of cool.)

[Oldskool]

Damn I missed this one. Wonder if it's still available?

Has anyone tried the free game Ecolibrium? I am quite digging it.

Some exciting stuff been coming out! I STILL play my Vita EVERY day and it's been several months now since I purchased it. I never regret the purchase! Long live VITA!

[cholkavich]

I love my psVita. I bought it day one and unfortunately had to sell it but about a month ago I picked up a used one from Craigslist for way cheap and have been collecting for it and playing the hell out of it since. Its an amazing system and baffles me when people shit all over it. I understand the 3DS has the nintendo properties but at the same time a lot of what is being put out is just re-releases of N64 games most of the time... meh. With the vita you have access to psp/ps1/minis/mobile/crossplay as well as vita titles. There is tremendous potential in the vita and I hope with the release of the PS4 theyre able to utilize it.

long live the vita!

[WCP]

I love my psVita. I bought it day one and unfortunately had to sell it but about a month ago I picked up a used one from Craigslist for way cheap and have been collecting for it and playing the hell out of it since. Its an amazing system and baffles me when people shit all over it. I understand the 3DS has the nintendo properties but at the same time a lot of what is being put out is just re-releases of N64 games most of the time... meh. With the vita you have access to psp/ps1/minis/mobile/crossplay as well as vita titles. There is tremendous potential in the vita and I hope with the release of the PS4 theyre able to utilize it.

long live the vita!


Of all the Vita games that you've played, which are your favorites ?

[Oldskool]

If you all have a buck or two left over after downloading a game, you should check out Mini Squadron! It's pretty fun unlocking all of the different fighters.

[kupomogli]

Sadly, there's been nothing for the Vita for awhile that's interested me. I usually purchase all my multiconsole titles on the PS3 and don't get the Vita versions until they hit that ultra budget price range, but lately, the games I'm interested in purchasing again hasn't hit a budget price and I have little interest in Soul Sacrifice. I'm interested in Arkham Origins Blackgate, but if both versions are visually identical, like Warner Bros games have been, I'm getting the 3DS version because of the 3D, but if the Vita version is better quality, then I'll get that one, so I'm waiting until the game is released before purchasing that one.

Dragon's Crown I'm getting on day one on the PS3, but if it's as good as I expect it to be, then I'll eventually purchase the Vita version also.

I'm just hoping in two months, they announce some more Vita games I'm interested in so that Tearaway, Ys, and a pretty big maybe on Valhalla Knights 3 don't turn out to be the only exclusives I'm getting this year.

*edit*

Forgot to mention Guacamelee. If it wasn't digital I'd already own it, but until it's half the current cost, paying for a game I won't actually own doesn't interest me even if the game does.

[WCP]

I've been trying to snag some games cheap off Ebay recently.

I got:

Wipeout 2048 - $12 shipped with unused online code
Hot Shots Golf - $10.50 shipped with unused online code
Resistance: burning Skies - $17.57 shipped with unused online code
Little Deviants - $6.09 shipped


That's an average of $11.54 per game. I don't mind paying that much, because I know I can always sell these games and get most of my investment back. Basically, I just keep checking Ebay for certain games to fall thru the cracks for a cheaper price. There are a bunch of other ones that I'm interested in, but the prices are holding more in the $17, $18, $19 shipped range, and I only want to pay $12 max.

[cholkavich]

Of all the Vita games that you've played, which are your favorites ?

The ones that get a lot of play for me are:
Wipeout 2048 (amazing graphics, terrible load times)
Persona 4
Sonic Allstar Racing Transformed (awesome kart racing game)
Lumines
Escape Plan (fun puzzle game with great artistic Direction and humor that utilizes the all the abilities of the vita)
Mutant Blobs Attack (beat it twice already)
Retro City Rampage
Sound Shapes

Those are the games that have been eating most of my time on the Vita. I own quite a few titles as well as PS+ so I havnt gotten to them all yet. Like you Ive managed to pick up most of my games for $15 bucks or under and to me, thats an awesome deal!

[Archimboldi]

Love my Vita! I need a 64gb card, cause I'm already managing my "fridge." It helps that the ports are all of games I love, that I like PSP, and that I love PS1. I've got enough to make the thing worth my while for years.

But I do hope it finds some success, somehow. Without a doubt, this is some of my favorite hardware of all time, if not #1, just in terms of control, the beautiful screen, and the OS.

They need to drop the damn memory prices or pack in bigger ones. The 4gb card is all but useless. Sony definitely dropped the ball with that...a "gotcha" moment shouldn't be a standard experience for people wanting to buy your product.

[Oldskool]

Just picked up Lumines. Someone on ebay is selling them sealed for 13.95 shipped. At the PS Store they want 20 bucks or more for just a digital download. This message was sent using my Vita.

[cholkavich]

amazon is worth checking out for deals. I managed to score Rayman Origins for $9. :)

[WCP]

amazon is worth checking out for deals. I managed to score Rayman Origins for $9. :)

What??

Really, how did you pull that off ? I've been trying to get a Rayman Origins on Ebay, but can never get one for a cheap enough price. Was it used from one of the amazon sellers ? $9 shipped, or was that before $5 shipping charge ? (heck, even if it was $14 shipped it would have been a good deal!

[cholkavich]

I think it was listed improperly. The seller was new and it was listed in a weird second rayman listing. It was $9 before shipping but I had a rebate thing that paid for the shipping. Either way just keep your eye out, lots of decently priced games on Amazon. Also when I got the game it still had a gamestop sticker on it pricing it at 39.99 haha. Im at 20 physical titles now :)

[Oldskool]

Very nice! I am at 6 physical titles and I have a handful of downloads too. I plan on focusing more on the physical downloads in the future however. The problem is that there are a lot of damn good games for download that you can't get a physical copy of. :(

Can you list the 20 games that you have? That's a pretty good start really.

I think it would be fun to try to go for a VITA full set.

For Rayman Origins I payed $29.99 + tax for it at Target. Flippin' amazing game. Pure genius.

Looking forward to Lumines.

Anyone else have Lumines? I have only played the demo but it seemed pretty fun, and I liked the music.

[WCP]

One thing I've noticed in watching the games sell used on Ebay....If you're willing to pay $18 to $25 you can get a lot of different Vita games. Which is a lot cheaper than paying $39.99 at the stores.

The most I've paid for a Vita game recently was $17.57 (shipped) for Resistance (unused online pass). Normally I've been trying to stay at $13 and below for my games. Unfortunately, I think I've ran out of games that I'm interested in that are under $13.


I really wish Sony would price the PS1 classics better. Most of those games should be $1.99. I would probably buy like 6 or 7 of them at $1.99 each, but instead they are trying to get $5.99 and $7.99 and $9.99. So they ended up getting zero from me, when they would be having me buy all kinds of games left and right if they were $1.99 each or less.

[kupomogli]

I think most of the PSOne Classics are priced fine. The Wii Virtual Console games are priced a bit ridiculous though. People will argue that you can replay an NES games, but what's the difference between replaying a $4.99/$5.99 Castlevania Virtual Console game and replaying a $5.99 SotN? I actually like the original better than SotN, but the game is 15 minutes long if you base it on just beating it, compared to three hours. SNES games are $7.99/$8.99.

I do think some PSOne Classics are overpriced though. After Square Enix found out they could get away with overpricing, they started pricing all their games at $9.99. Final Fantasy Anthology is now seperated as Final Fantasy 5 and 6 on PSN, so $20 for games you can get for less than $20 at Amazon.

Considering though that there are so many garbage PSN games that come out at $9.99 and $14.99, and then you can buy quality PSX titles at $5.99, I think it's a great deal, or I would if I actually purchased anything digital aside from PS+. Even in the west where the PSN store is lacking with PSOne Classics, a lot of the games in each specific genre are even better than a lot of retail games, RPGs especially.

[WCP]

Everybody is overpriced other than Steam, GamersGate, Amazon downloads, etc, etc. All those prices are ridiculous, especially when everything on iOS is 99 cents. I'm sorry, but I'm not paying $6.99 to "virtually" lease something.

[Tupin]

So, anyone think that there's going to be a redesign of the Vita anytime soon? That's kind of why I've been hesitant to pick it up.

Oh, and has anyone tried Guacamelee? I played a demo at Best Buy and it was pretty fun.

[kupomogli]

Everybody is overpriced other than Steam, GamersGate, Amazon downloads, etc, etc. All those prices are ridiculous, especially when everything on iOS is 99 cents. I'm sorry, but I'm not paying $6.99 to "virtually" lease something.

Steam, GamersGate, etc is the same. You're paying digitally for a game either way. The quality and size of the games at $5.99 is worth it regardless if you compare these titles to Steam games and the like, unless of course you compare the games to deals like Humble Bundle, GOGs End of the World Sale, etc.

Pulling up GOG, Theme Hospital and Sim City 2000 are on sale right now at $2.39, and I'll admit places like GOG, GamersGate and Steam do have more sales, but regularly priced, these two games are $5.99 on GOG, the same price as the exact same games on the PSX. Well. Not the exact same. Syndicate Wars is $5.99, and while it's not on the PSOne Classics, it is a PSX game which would probably be priced at $5.99 if it was. But Baldur's Gate Complete, Baldur's Gate 2 Complete, Planescape Torment, Icewind Dale, and Icewind Dale 2 Complete are $9.99 each. This is extremely overpriced considering that I purchased the Dungeons and Dragon's Anthology which included all these games for less than $20. A physical copy. Though the other day you could get these games at a discount from GamersGate. $9.99 for the digital version of the Anthology. Neverwinter Nights 2 Compete is $20 and there's no available digital collection and the physical collection has long been sold out.

Sometimes you can get older PC games marginally cheaper than the price of PSOne Classics, the majority of the time they're the same or higher priced. They both hold similar amounts of content. Both are completely reasonable when it comes to price at $5.99, but anything higher and not worth it to me. Also. As I mentioned before. Compared to the XBL, PSN, and a good portion of indie games that cost $9.99/14.99 at launch, the $5.99 price is great if you don't mind digital.

WCP, no offense, but you're cheap. I am too and wouldn't buy the games at $5.99 either, but that doesn't mean they're not reasonably priced. There are a lot of games on GOG I'm interested in replaying, but I'm not going to purchase them until the End of the World Sale hits again and they're under $5 each.

[WCP]

WCP, no offense, but you're cheap. I am too and wouldn't buy the games at $5.99 either, but that doesn't mean they're not reasonably priced. There are a lot of games on GOG I'm interested in replaying, but I'm not going to purchase them until the End of the World Sale hits again and they're under $5 each.

None taken... heh...

Yes, I am a cheap bastard gamer. No question about it. But you know what made me so cheap ? When I made the switch to PC gaming in 2010. On the PC side of things, I don't have to pay more than $4.99 for just about anything, as long as I'm patient.

You know what else has made me cheap ? My son having an ipod touch, and buying tons of games for 99 cents. You know how there will be a game on iOS that is $3.99 and it seems outrageously expensive, even though it's really only $3.99 ? It's because there has been a paradigm shift in gaming. People are getting used to these super low price points, and the old rules no longer apply. I know that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are going to hold out as long as humanly possible, trying to get the most money they can for their back catalog, but it's only a matter of time before they succumb to the new reality of the industry. Look at 3DS sales. While the big Nintendo games sell, the 3rd party games aren't selling for those super high prices. Parents aren't going to pay $39.99 for portable games, when their kids already have an ipod touch with a ton of 99 cent games.


Now, having said all of this, there is lots of stuff on the Vita that isn't overpriced. Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack is like $7.99 or something, and that game is a solid game for $7.99. Super Stardust Delta is $9.99 I think, and that game is pretty damn good. But I'm talking about the PS1 for crying out loud.... I mean, sure, there are certain PS1 games that maybe could command a decent price, but the vast majority of that library should be $1.99 or $2.99 at the most.

[Oldskool]

I have to agree. I would probably have some PS1 games downloaded it they were at least a little bit cheaper.

On another note : I already got Lumines in the mail and boy am I glad I purchased that game. 13.95 shipped is a steal. I love puzzle games and the game play and soundtrack is cool. I highly recommend it.

[cholkavich]

Last week or so PSN was having a sale for PS+ members on all resident evil games. Picked up the first 3 RE games for $7 total. Perfect games on the vita!

[Archimboldi]

I have a ton of ps1 games...I think they're a pretty great price, aside from some that have a popularity tax (square-enix, SOTN, tomba.) But S-E had a sale a little while ago, so that took care of that. The discs will run you a lot more in many cases. $6 is not even lunch, so i can't help but buy a bunch. Where else will i get Klonoa for that price?

I play my disc games over remote play sometimes too. The lag is actually barely noticeable, though the display is dithered (more so) and audio is downgraded. it's a much better experience than playing remote play PS3 games. I have a small one bedroom though, so no matter what, I'm close to the system/router.

You can also transfer saves between the Vita, PS3, and PS1 with the memory card adapter. Pretty nice little detail + usability feature that you don't normally see from these companies, which I'm now taking advantage of all the time.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Last few months were pretty decent for PLUS content on Vita (at least PSP software-wise) with Tekken 6 and Soul Calibur PSP and some others.

This month we're getting a few dedicated Vita games in Knytt Undeground and BlazBlue

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/05/06/playstation-plus-sleeping-dogs-joins-the-instant-game-collection/

[cholkavich]

anyone gonna pick up the new killzone when it comes out?

http://youtu.be/NZTMuucJQtQ

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

anyone gonna pick up the new killzone when it comes out?

http://youtu.be/NZTMuucJQtQ

If the reviews aren't as sub-par as every other FPS on the system I'll get it in a heartbeat. I love me some Killzone.

Fingers crossed that this is the Vita FPS that does it right.

[cholkavich]

Heres a look at whats to come this year pre-E3

http://youtu.be/Gme1H0QvDHg

[kupomogli]

Warrior's Lair looks like it's going to be good, but haven't heard anything about it in so long I actually forgot about it. I must have missed new gameplay that was released because before now I haven't seen what was in that video. Went to Youtube and found the video it came from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeP4bJV1KcU

*edit*

Sword of Rapier coming to the Vita as a Playstation Mobile title. The graphics on the XBLA version aren't really good, but they're even worse on this Vita port. Game looks like it could be fun though and depending on the price I might get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3e70dFhlRY

New Dragon's Crown trailer is out as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRGa-GAU8U

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

We need a dedicated Playstation Plus thread ... but I'll just leave this here.

Having just started playing 999 on DS, I'm THRILLED to see that Virtues Last Reward is going to be added to the free Playstation Plus collection on Vita this month (along with a shit ton of other great titles on PS3)

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/06/03/playstation-plus-deus-ex-human-revolution-free-for-members/

Entering PS Plus in June (in no particular order)

Deus Ex: Human Revolution (PS3)
Machinarium (PS3)
Saints Row: The Third (PS3)
Orc Attack (PS Vita)
Zero Escape: Virtue’s Last Reward (PS Vita)

[Mr Mort]

I've been thinking about Playstation Plus for a while. There appear to be some awesome deals there but there are a couple of things that keep me from taking the plunge:

-My preference for physical media. There's not much I can do to shake this one. It's a no-brainer that I can play the games on cards whenever I want, regardless of my future Playstation Plus status, and I don't need to worry about having space on my memory card.
-All the games you get for free become non-playable if your account lapses, but is the same true for games you paid for at a reduced price? If I get to keep the games I pay for on the cheap, it'll help sweeten the deal.
-I'm not too sure that I want to spend money in order to spend more money, if that makes sense. The way I see it, I'd be paying a monthly fee in order to purchase games at a discounted price. All the "free" games that would later disappear are nothing more than a rental to me. I'd have to see if maybe just a month or two of Plus would make up for the $ I'd save buying games at discounted prices, tho I don't think the math would really work out in my favor.

That being said, I've been waiting for the price of Uncharted to hit the $20-$25 mark for a new copy (physical), but it's still not there yet. I'm definitely not going to pay $40 for it.

Like Frankie said, if Killzone gets some good reviews, I'll pick it up, but beyond that, there's not all that much to look forward to other than Tearaway.
Sony better bring it at E3.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Mort, anything that you buy on discount you keep after Plus lapses.

Also anything that's not a game that they give fee (themes, avatars, soundtracks, dlc content) stays after your sub lapses.

The only thing you "lose" when your sub lapses is any full free game that you have downloaded stays on your HDD, memory card or download list but it "locks" but becomes playable again immediately when you renew.

[kupomogli]

^The games you purchase at a discounted price do carry over after Playstation Plus ends. I'd say that Playstation Plus is a good service if you don't like to purchase digital games, but you do want some decent games that come to the service, even some physical games that you may not have purchased.

Playstation Plus updates every Tuesday and they're actually going to be removing Infamous 2 and LBP2, probably switching them out for different first party titles, so if you're interested at all, I'd recommend getting it before the update tomorrow. That way you have those games locked in for that year you'll be on it if you get it. Then in the future if you ever decide to renew it.

I own most retail PS3 games that release on PS+ but the digital games and Vita games are where it benefits me. Since I don't purchase the digital titles and not interested in hardly any Vita games, anything that comes out on those formats is something I've more than likely never played.

Orc Attack is one that comes out next month and seems like a Gauntlet style game with four player coop. I'm not really a fan of the humor the game uses. It actually turns me off to the game a little bit, but I've got some friends that asked me if I'll play that with them when it gets added to PS+ and I'll probably have a little fun with it.

For a year of digital rentals and being able to play games that I happen not to own that are on retail, such as Gravity Rush, I think $50 for one year is a good deal. I actually purchased PS+ when they were doing three months extra for free, so 15 months, but it's worth it and I've already got my moneys worth. Even if I've been disappointed at the absolute shit the US gets compared to Europe's PS+. I bought DoA5 finally, but Europe got it six months after release, and there are others that they've got a short time after release as well.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

^The games you purchase at a discounted price do carry over after Playstation Plus ends. I'd say that Playstation Plus is a good service if you don't like to purchase digital games, but you do want some decent games that come to the service, even some physical games that you may not have purchased.

Playstation Plus updates every Tuesday and they're actually going to be removing Infamous 2 and LBP2, probably switching them out for different first party titles, so if you're interested at all, I'd recommend getting it before the update tomorrow. That way you have those games locked in for that year you'll be on it if you get it. Then in the future if you ever decide to renew it.

I own most retail PS3 games that release on PS+ but the digital games and Vita games are where it benefits me. Since I don't purchase the digital titles and not interested in hardly any Vita games, anything that comes out on those formats is something I've more than likely never played.

Orc Attack is one that comes out next month and seems like a Gauntlet style game with four player coop. I'm not really a fan of the humor the game uses. It actually turns me off to the game a little bit, but I've got some friends that asked me if I'll play that with them when it gets added to PS+ and I'll probably have a little fun with it.

For a year of digital rentals and being able to play games that I happen not to own that are on retail, such as Gravity Rush, I think $50 for one year is a good deal. I actually purchased PS+ when they were doing three months extra for free, so 15 months, but it's worth it and I've already got my moneys worth. Even if I've been disappointed at the absolute shit the US gets compared to Europe's PS+. I bought DoA5 finally, but Europe got it six months after release, and there are others that they've got a short time after release as well.

Since every region has differences with physical releases, I don't have a problem with Plus having different selections on each region.

From what I've read, the EU Plus members are typically pissed off at stuff we get that they don't too.

I hear that we're getting DoA5 later this year.