The new NEOGEO X..Who is getting one?

[retroman]

I will be getting one the day it comes out which is Dec.6, I have a AES Neo, which i have had for 15 years, but i am excited for this to come out, and I hope that they release all the games on the cards..cant wait..hope you all support it so we can get all the games again. but only cheaper.

[Leo_A]

I won't be getting it.

I think it would be superior (And probably economically comparable) to just buy the Virtual Console downloads on the Wii. It has a large selection of NeoGeo titles, the emulator seems pretty solid, and it's about the only platform on the VC that fairly routinely recieves a new release. And there are arcade sticks available as well.

[wiggyx]

I won't be getting it.

I think it would be superior (And probably economically comparable) to just buy the Virtual Console downloads on the Wii. It has a large selection of NeoGeo titles, the emulator seems pretty solid, and it's about the only platform on the VC that fairly routinely recieves a new release. And there are arcade sticks available as well.

Yeah, but VC titles aren't portable :/

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

I have one ordered with an extra stick. I have an AES but not all those games the NEO X comes wit.

[kedawa]

I've encountered some serious flaws with NeoGeo games on the VC.
For one thing, some games, like KOF 94, have completely messed up button configurations that can't be changed.
Others have really inaccurate sound. The collection discs seemed solid, though.

[Bojay1997]

I will be getting one the day it comes out which is Dec.6, I have a AES Neo, which i have had for 15 years, but i am excited for this to come out, and I hope that they release all the games on the cards..cant wait..hope you all support it so we can get all the games again. but only cheaper.

I won't support this. It's a cheap handheld emulator made by Blaze. SNK has nothing to do with it other than licensing the roms and the physical appearance of the docking box and joystick.

[Nitrosport]

I have one reserved and will be picking it up on release day. I just hope they release alot more of the aes library. Some of the built in games are good but I'm looking forward to others.

[InsaneDavid]

I won't support this. It's a cheap handheld emulator made by Blaze. SNK has nothing to do with it other than licensing the roms and the physical appearance of the docking box and joystick.

This. Too expensive to warrant a purchase on nostalgia alone. If it was replica AES hardware with something like an SD slot then I could see it.

[MyTurnToPlay]

Cheap crap trashy product. Will not get. Not interested. Everyone stay away...this is bullsh*t.

thank you.

[A.C. Sativa]

I won't be getting it.

I think it would be superior (And probably economically comparable) to just buy the Virtual Console downloads on the Wii. It has a large selection of NeoGeo titles, the emulator seems pretty solid, and it's about the only platform on the VC that fairly routinely recieves a new release. And there are arcade sticks available as well.

Agreed. No way in hell is this thing worth $200. And I already have a Neo-Geo CD anyway.

[Leo_A]

Yeah, but VC titles aren't portable :/

If that's the main reason someone is interested in this, then the Wii option isn't a viable one. But there are other choices that are substitutes there as well.

For official options, a PSP which many of us already own anyways has Metal Slug Anthology, SNK Arcade Classics Volume 1, and several downloadable games. Could acquire everything and have a significant amount of money left over for other games compared to this option.

And there are unofficial homebrew emulators for portable devices including what this seems to be derived from. And I bet the homebrew emulators will outperform this effort.


I've encountered some serious flaws with NeoGeo games on the VC.
For one thing, some games, like KOF 94, have completely messed up button configurations that can't be changed.
Others have really inaccurate sound. The collection discs seemed solid, though.

I wasn't aware of button mapping issues. That's unfortunate I suppose, particularly for the fighting games I imagine. But I've enjoyed it and not found any issues as someone that's less familiar with the original hardware (Which I imagine is the group most likely to be buying this thing to actually play on rather than as a collectible).

As for inaccurate sound, I imagine this device will be rife with such issues (Among other issues). And a bit of audio inaccuracy pretty much comes with the territory where emulation is concerned. There's always going to be a little detail off somewhere due to the very nature of emulation which is never a perfect representation of the original hardware.

[IHatedSega]

I really want to get it. The $200 is enough motivation to really master the fighting games. Maybe Ill wait to see what people say about it when they buy it though.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

And there are unofficial homebrew emulators for portable devices including what this seems to be derived from. And I bet the homebrew emulators will outperform this effort.

Neo Geo emulation is excellent on Dingoo. A Dingoo will run you about $80 + shipping.

[IHatedSega]

Neo Geo emulation is excellent on Dingoo. A Dingoo will run you about $80 + shipping.

Its all about the docking and joystick with me. Not worth just getting the handheld. And which is better for emulation a dingoo or a psp? Ill probably buy a psp, but the dingoo is attractive since its such an odd thing and works.

[RCM]

I really like the idea of this, but I haven't seen anything that would motivate me to pick it up. I'd love for Sega to come out with a high quality handheld akin to this for Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast, but I'm not holding my breath.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

He asked "who is getting one". It really bothers me when people try so hard to talk people out of what they want. If certain people dont want it, fine but im pretty sure members here knows the options they have. This unit isn't just about playing the games. it comes with the docking station and a stick, you can also connect it to the TV. Its a cool product that obviously is filling a gap that Dingo or the wii thing or PSP isn't.

[Bojay1997]

He asked "who is getting one". It really bothers me when people try so hard to talk people out of what they want. If certain people dont want it, fine but im pretty sure members here knows the options they have. This unit isn't just about playing the games. it comes with the docking station and a stick, you can also connect it to the TV. Its a cool product that obviously is filling a gap that Dingo or the wii thing or PSP isn't.

Yes, and many people responded that they would not be and why. Would you rather that people just post "I won't be" and leave it at that? I personally enjoy reading people's opinions about things pro and con, especially on a product like this where there has been a ton of misinformation from the gaming media and a lack of clarity from the manufacturer. When this was first announced I actually preordered one on Amazon. After learning a lot more about it and seeing some hands on reviews that described it as feeling cheap and having limitations like non-standard SD cards and censored games, I cancelled my preorder. There is nothing wrong with having an open discussion before spending $200 on something you haven't even played yet.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

there was actually a long discussion about it in another thread. This one he only wanted to know " WHO IS GETTING ONE"

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

The only thing that bothers me is that STILL, even now, some people think it will play AES games.

[Flashback2012]

I want one with the dock and joystick but I am not keen on the $200 asking price. I already own both an AES & CDZ as well as having most of the games listed that are included on cart or CD. If there's a price drop on these to about half then I would definitely buy one but at launch? Only if I won the lottery before then. :ass:

[IHatedSega]

The only thing that bothers me is that STILL, even now, some people think it will play AES games.

Really? I didnt even think that when I saw it.

[Bojay1997]

there was actually a long discussion about it in another thread. This one he only wanted to know " WHO IS GETTING ONE"

Again, I think you're missing the whole point of a discussion board. If you don't like what people are posting, feel free to ignore them. I suspect the reality is that you find many of the arguments against buying the system now persuasive and you feel embarassed that you are spending your money on this. It's understandable, but there's no need to attack people who are sharing well thought out and perfectly valid opinions.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

He asked "who is getting one". It really bothers me when people try so hard to talk people out of what they want. If certain people dont want it, fine but im pretty sure members here knows the options they have. This unit isn't just about playing the games. it comes with the docking station and a stick, you can also connect it to the TV. Its a cool product that obviously is filling a gap that Dingo or the wii thing or PSP isn't.

I'm not trying to talk anybody out of this. I'd be interested if it was priced right.

I have many portable devices that emulate Genesis really well, and in addition to those I dropped $60 on AtGames Gopher with the SD slot.

If this thing was priced similarly I'd consider it, and I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with people picking it up, however, I also don't think there's anything wrong with imparting knowledge about devices that do similar/equivalent things, especially if there's money to be saved in the process.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

Again, I think you're missing the whole point of a discussion board. If you don't like what people are posting, feel free to ignore them. I suspect the reality is that you find many of the arguments against buying the system now persuasive and you feel embarassed that you are spending your money on this. It's understandable, but there's no need to attack people who are sharing well thought out and perfectly valid opinions.

Not at all. All im saying is, All he asked is "whos buying". It has nothing to do with me. All the negative and positive was discussed in detail in another thread. its like 3 pages.

[wiggyx]

The only thing that bothers me is that STILL, even now, some people think it will play AES games.

This one cracks me up. Can you imagine lugging around AES carts, let along placing them into a portable @_@


Still, I do want one of these, if only because I'm a portable console hoarder. I don't know why people are bashing the quality so heavily considering that none of us have one to test at this point. Obviously you can cite previous efforts by the manufacturer, but until we can all try it for ourselves, it's just speculation. Don't get the extreme hatred :/

[Bojay1997]

This one cracks me up. Can you imagine lugging around AES carts, let along placing them into a portable @_@


Still, I do want one of these, if only because I'm a portable console hoarder. I don't know why people are bashing the quality so heavily considering that none of us have one to test at this point. Obviously you can cite previous efforts by the manufacturer, but until we can all try it for ourselves, it's just speculation. Don't get the extreme hatred :/

Actually, Tommo has made the unit available to a number of media outlets. Some said the build quality felt fine and some said it felt cheaply made. I don't think there is extreme hatred here, but you're right that there is speculation, mostly because Tommo and Blaze haven't been very frank about what their plans are for this thing and it's not what many of us hoped it would be. Many of us would or will buy it if the price drops or if it turns out that it's high quality or otherwise a good system. What I don't get is people blindly preordering something that won't sell out at $200 when they have no idea if it's really worth it or not. Why not just wait until the week after release and see what people here and elsewhere think once they have had some hands on time?

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

I dont understand. what did you think it would be? It was nothing until it was announced, and when it was announced, it was stated exactly what it was. it was PEOPLE, and rumors that started the confusion. even with reviews, its all opinion and YOU wont know for yourself until you get one. if one person says it feels solid, and one says cheap, you still dont know until you feel it for yourself. The people who pre ordered it pretty muck know what it is and can maybe hope for more, but we dont expect a lot more than what is shown.

[Bojay1997]

I dont understand. what did you think it would be? It was nothing until it was announced, and when it was announced, it was stated exactly what it was. it was PEOPLE, and rumors that started the confusion. even with reviews, its all opinion and YOU wont know for yourself until you get one. if one person says it feels solid, and one says cheap, you still dont know until you feel it for yourself. The people who pre ordered it pretty muck know what it is and can maybe hope for more, but we dont expect a lot more than what is shown.

When it was first rumored, the only thing it appeared to be was a Dingoo-like handheld. People speculated it was either a new version of the NGP or an emulator. It turns out it was just an emulator which can play AES roms. The docking station and joystick added further confusion with some people speculating it was able to play AES carts (like many of the clones Sega Genesis and NES systems can play the original games) only to learn it's just an empty flip top plastic box with an HDMI output and a USB joystick connector. Tommo has repeatedly posted misleading photos like the one where they went to a trade show and had both a PS3 USB stick and an old school AES stick appearing to be hooked up to the unit. They also were unclear in many interviews about what the stick construction would be, using phrases like "1:1" and "same parts" when it's pretty clear from photos and size comparisons, neither one is accurate. Even Gamestop is advertising this thing as an "affordable Neo Geo" when it's really a whole different piece of hardware that can play Neo Geo AES roms. So, Tommo and Blaze have certainly not done a great job of clearing up the specs or function or even the future release schedule or pricing for games on the unit.

The other problem is that the unit is manufactured by Blaze in China. Many people here and elsewhere have owned Blaze manufactured products and found them to be of very poor quality, often failing within weeks or even days of purchase. There is no reason to speculate this will somehow be of higher quality. The only way to get a better read on the quality of the unit is to wait a little while and see what kinds of experiences people report.

So, in short, I don't know how you can "know what it is" when you have no idea of the quality of the build or the screen or what the durability will be or even how well the games play in the emulator.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

Nobody new for certain, the people who pre ordered from the start, and those who kept the pre orders after reviews started to surface, we wanted what was shown just for what it was. I have no expectations for anything more than what is shown. all I was saying was this was all discussed previously, he just wanted to know who was getting it. Im not trying to fight about this, im just saying most opinions and facts have been stated several times in other threads and he wasn't asking for that.

[IHatedSega]

Lack for real hard info was the cause of people "hating" this. I read so much negative reactions to this even after the $800 price tag rumor was killed. People kept saying it was just an over priced poor version of the Dingoo even when the deluxe editions details were written. Then people kept saying "i should just buy the games on the virtual console!" But this is for people who couldnt get an AES who want to have the true NEO GEO experience at an affordable price. Then since people said "I can get this instead of an AES" people with no attention spans just seeing the shell thought they could play AES and MVS carts on it. Then after they learned they cant do that they brought up it being an emulator if they know what those are.....

The biggest problem is they havent announced what games will come out later for it. So people stuck to the "its an emulator!" line, or the one I really hate "It should just be $30!" they see it as a toy knockoff system like the Tiger handhelds and not a game console. They probably are waiting to see how many units sale to see if its worth releasing more games, but since they arent saying it has a definite future people dont want to take the risk.

[Bojay1997]

Nobody new for certain, the people who pre ordered from the start, and those who kept the pre orders after reviews started to surface, we wanted what was shown just for what it was. I have no expectations for anything more than what is shown. all I was saying was this was all discussed previously, he just wanted to know who was getting it. Im not trying to fight about this, im just saying most opinions and facts have been stated several times in other threads and he wasn't asking for that.

To be clear, you don't know if what you are getting is what was shown, unless your expectation is that it doesn't matter if the system works, if the games play properly (or at least well enough) or if it breaks in a few weeks. That's my point. You have no experience with this company or its products and yet you're simply assuming it will be fine. Look, all of us have taken risks when we preorder products. The difference is that they are usually minor risks because either the amount of money isn't that great or the products are from companies that have good reputations. Unfortunately, Blaze isn't one of those companies and $200-$250 seems like a lot to risk.

As for the other point, in a discussion board, people are free to respond and participate in any way they wish as long as that response doesn't run afoul of the board rules. Obviously, most of the people who responded here aren't buying one now and they explained why that was. There's nothing wrong with that and like I said, if you don't like the responses, feel free to skip over them.

[kedawa]

Where are the NGPC games?
That's what I want to know.
Are those even emulated properly on PC yet?

[IHatedSega]

Where are the NGPC games?
That's what I want to know.
Are those even emulated properly on PC yet?

So far control and picture wise yes from the games Ive played, which is a lot of the library, but the sound on NeoPop32 is HORRENDOUS! Scratching metal on your ear drums, so I just listen to other music as I play. Hmmm, now the emulator is running really fast, dont know why, its not a frame skip thing.

[Leo_A]

This one cracks me up. Can you imagine lugging around AES carts, let along placing them into a portable

I don't think anyone beyond the uninitiated ever thought it would play AES cartridges when being used as a handheld.

But with the docking station looking like an actual console, it's not so crazy for someone to mistakingly think it can play AES cartridges when docked and using the tv/out option with a controller.

[Bojay1997]

I don't think anyone beyond the uninitiated ever thought it would play AES cartridges when being used as a handheld.

But with the docking station looking like an actual console, it's not so crazy for someone to mistakingly think it can play AES cartridges when docked and using the tv/out option with a controller.

Yep, it's not like it would be impossible to build a slot that could read an AES cart. It's literally just a connector similar to what all those clone builders have done for NES/Famicom/Megadrive/Sega Genesis, etc...cartridges only slightly longer.

More info is continuing to come out about this thing and it keeps getting worse. Apparently, you can't save your progress in games like you can on the AES. Essentially, the ability to save is still in the game code, but they didn't change it to account for the fact that the emulator doesn't have a Neo Geo style memory card and so you can't save to anything. Also, the only two video output options are HDMI or composite. No component, S-Video or RGB.

[Leo_A]

If the emulator isn't up to the task, having a cartridge slot could be more trouble than it's worth if the emulator isn't able to be fine tuned for each game. So I suppose that's one possible reason why it's not there.

I imagine no cartridge slot though dates back to what I already said. This device is aimed at collector's; both those that already own original hardware and likely will be sticking to it after the novelty of this wears off and they stick this on their shelf and the individual new to the NeoGeo that will likely never take the dip by purchasing real hardware and starting a game collection and will be sticking with emulation to enjoy the platform.

I imagine as the bottom line goes, an actual cartridge slot wouldn't of been beneficial. I bet the added cost to each unit would eat up anything gained from the additional sales it would've created.

[Tanooki]

You don't pay $200 unless you get the big kit. Either way I'm interested but waiting on some actual videos of the thing in action and write ups from multiple sources.

I had this ATGames thing that was a six button handheld with an SD card slot using the firecore emulator (it's called the Gopher) that did Genesis stuff. It had around an 80% compatibility rate in all fairness because despite the SD slot the piece of crap wouldn't save any games rendering all RPGs and ARPGs useless (why I rate it at 80% and not like 90%+) On top of that select games have graphical failings, the notable one people like that chokes being Contra as the background is hosed and won't move so you can't see when it do anything of value to save your ass. The audio on it is entirely hit and miss as its not coded right.

I bring that up because while I doubt this is firecore, the system like the Genesis both run almost identical base hardware both using a 68000 main cpu and both use a z80 (neogeo is a z80a.) I wouldn't be surprised if they use similar emulators as lots of clone people love to share info and cut corners. I'm also very interested in that expansion slot, the free game in the big box is clearly placed on a locked SD card(removed the tab to lock/unlock writing as commercial units have.) IF this like the Gopher can take a SD card loaded with NeoGeo roms I'd be highly interested to give it a go if the compatibility is up there, but if it's not and it has so-so emulation, the locked titles, and you got to buy added arcade games for like $20 a pop they can forget it.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

I noticed on Gamestop.com, the releas date has changed from the 6 to the 18th.

[PreZZ]

Cheap crap trashy product. Will not get. Not interested. Everyone stay away...this is bullsh*t.

thank you.

Well my expectations are pretty low for this, but MAYBE wait for it to release before saying its trash! If they can pull off perfect emulation, this might actually become a rare collectible in a couple of years, because I dont expect this thing to be on the market for more than a couple of months when you can buy a ps3 for the same price. Who has the money to buy AES carts? not me....

[wiggyx]

You don't pay $200 unless you get the big kit. Either way I'm interested but waiting on some actual videos of the thing in action and write ups from multiple sources.

I had this ATGames thing that was a six button handheld with an SD card slot using the firecore emulator (it's called the Gopher) that did Genesis stuff. It had around an 80% compatibility rate in all fairness because despite the SD slot the piece of crap wouldn't save any games rendering all RPGs and ARPGs useless (why I rate it at 80% and not like 90%+) On top of that select games have graphical failings, the notable one people like that chokes being Contra as the background is hosed and won't move so you can't see when it do anything of value to save your ass. The audio on it is entirely hit and miss as its not coded right.

I bring that up because while I doubt this is firecore, the system like the Genesis both run almost identical base hardware both using a 68000 main cpu and both use a z80 (neogeo is a z80a.) I wouldn't be surprised if they use similar emulators as lots of clone people love to share info and cut corners. I'm also very interested in that expansion slot, the free game in the big box is clearly placed on a locked SD card(removed the tab to lock/unlock writing as commercial units have.) IF this like the Gopher can take a SD card loaded with NeoGeo roms I'd be highly interested to give it a go if the compatibility is up there, but if it's not and it has so-so emulation, the locked titles, and you got to buy added arcade games for like $20 a pop they can forget it.



Where's this sub $200 version that you're referring to?

[schnuth]

I noticed on Gamestop.com, the releas date has changed from the 6 to the 18th.

I got an email from Amazon that mine won't ship till then too. :(

[Tanooki]

Where's this sub $200 version that you're referring to?

http://www.gamestop.com/elect/consoles/neogeo-x-handheld/104734 $130, system only, no dock and joystick

[IHatedSega]

At this point Im going to just wait for liquidation and get it cheap.

[wiggyx]

http://www.gamestop.com/elect/consoles/neogeo-x-handheld/104734 $130, system only, no dock and joystick

Ah, I didn't see that on the site (which I blame on my phone :P )

[buzz_n64]

At this point Im going to just wait for liquidation and get it cheap.

Will do the same. $50 Neo-Geo emulator console here I come!

[wiggyx]

Somehow I doubt these will end up as closeouts...

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

I dont either. For some reason, I'm starting to see that no matter what it is, people always want things to fail. Even if they aren't going to buy it, they have to badmouth it.

[IHatedSega]

Im not hoping it dies, I wish it would succeed and other arcade games would be ported to it. But as time goes on no more additional games are being announced and if SNK read or heard what a ton of people are criticizing it for thats a big one. Right now its message is "were waiting to see if this thing sells out to make more and then release other games for it." Thats nothing to get really excited about. If it was "were releasing this as a flash back to the arcade games, its comes with 21 games in the deluxe edition and theres more games coming out including ALL the Metal Slug, King of Fighters, Fatal Fury and Samurai Shodown games." Thats what people really wants to hear, and they arent saying that.

[buzz_n64]

I dont either. For some reason, I'm starting to see that no matter what it is, people always want things to fail. Even if they aren't going to buy it, they have to badmouth it.

I think people mostly want things they don't plan on buying to fail, not everything. People don't buy a new Nintendo system hoping that it will fail and not release any new games for the system. This Neo-Geo system should be a budget priced novelty item for collectors and children new to the games alike, but the greed by the maker of this device has put their own foot in their ass. Too expensive for the common modern gamer, and too cheap in quality for the collector and nostalgic adult.

[cheesystick]

People vote with their dollars. Believe me, I have the same questions looking in my mind as many of you, but the bottom line is that this is a creative and nostalgic idea that has actually come to market. When can you say that anything like this has ever come out, or ever will come out? It is important that we as consumers try to support some of these more risky ideas Day 1 to send a message to the market about our demand for retro games and retro game ideas.

I am concerned about the high price, the lack of knowledge on new games, Blaze's involvement, the SNK CEO stepping down, etc. However, Neo Geo has been one of the best stories in gaming history. Even if this thing flops, this is still a small footnote in that history, and I want to be able to say that I supported a new Neo Geo device Day 1.

That's my two cents anyways.

[wiggyx]

"Greed"?

You have now idea how much it costs to manufacture, how much R&D was done, cost of licensing, distribution, marketing, etc. That's an assertion that you simply can't back up with any sort of emperical data. Those sort of assumptions do nothing to for the argument against this device.



edit: stupid auto-correct...

[buzz_n64]

"Greed"?

You have now idea how much it costs to manufacture, how much R&D was done, cost of licensing, distribution, marketing, etc. That's an assertion that you simply can't back up with any sort of imperial data. Those sort of assumptions do nothing to for the argument against this device.

I can back it up by simply looking at other devices that do just about the same thing, and what their price points are. The Dingo, the PSP, portable SNES systems. All of which you can get for well under $100. Unless Blaze's license cost over $100 from SNK for each unit they produce, (which isn't the case), then this should be in the hundred dollar range at most and still make a profit.

[wiggyx]

I can back it up by simply looking at other devices that do just about the same thing, and what their price points are. The Dingo, the PSP, portable SNES systems. All of which you can get for well under $100. Unless Blaze's license cost over $100 from SNK for each unit they produce, (which isn't the case), then this should be in the hundred dollar range at most and still make a profit.

No, you can assume those things, but you actually have zero idea. All that you are doing is reasserting your assumption.

Ever considered that this is very likely to be produced quantities that are a small fraction of the other consoles that you mentioned? Divide cost off tooling/R&D/manufacturing/etc. by estimated number of units sold and you would get a far different number than that of the any Nintendo or Sony or Dingo portable.

Also, do those other portables include a docking port to connect to the TV? And a full size arcade stick? Come with a glut of good games already installed? No, they sure don't. Seeing as the basic model is only priced at $130, it's fairly safe to say that those two items alone add a large amount to the cost of this item.

I'm not pulling this out of my ass. I've designed, engineered, manufactured, marketed, and distributed my own products for years now and even I wouldn't try and guess what this product costs to manufacture. It's like saying that you know how much it costs to make a Lamborghini because you've seen the MSRP on a Dodge Viper.

[Bojay1997]

People vote with their dollars. Believe me, I have the same questions looking in my mind as many of you, but the bottom line is that this is a creative and nostalgic idea that has actually come to market. When can you say that anything like this has ever come out, or ever will come out? It is important that we as consumers try to support some of these more risky ideas Day 1 to send a message to the market about our demand for retro games and retro game ideas.

I am concerned about the high price, the lack of knowledge on new games, Blaze's involvement, the SNK CEO stepping down, etc. However, Neo Geo has been one of the best stories in gaming history. Even if this thing flops, this is still a small footnote in that history, and I want to be able to say that I supported a new Neo Geo device Day 1.

That's my two cents anyways.

While I respect your opinion, things like this have been happening for years and the market is already well aware of the demand for retro games and devices. The Atari Flashback versions 1-4, the various Sega branded handhelds by Blaze, the joystick units from Namco and others that hook directly to a TV, the Commodore 64 and Amiga rebranded devices that seem to come out every few years. The point is, this isn't unique other than the fact that it's a Neo Geo branded device and therefore it evokes an irrational level of fanboy support.

Don't get me wrong, I will admit to being a Neo Geo fan and I own an AES, an MVS, a couple Neo Geo CDs, the NGP, the NGPC, and even a Neo Geo 64 and a library of games for each. That doesn't mean I am going to blindly support this or anything else. If it turns out to be a high quality well built unit that actually plays the games well, I will buy one. If it doesn't, I will feel good about the fact that I didn't spend $200-$250 on one and either way, I'm certainly not going to advocate for this thing without ever having played with it or seen one in person just yet. The fact that people are just giving this the the benefit of the doubt and plunking $200+ down sight unseen is what I find most disturbing. Tommo doesn't have any track record other than as a distributor of other people's products and Blaze has a terrible quality reputation. When combining that with the lack of information from the two companies about future releases or further distribution plans, I'm frankly shocked anyone has preordered this at all. Maybe everyone is just wealthy enough that $200 isn't a big deal on a totally unproven product. I don't know.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

It's funny how people with negative opinions refuse to listen to anything but themselves.

[Bojay1997]

It's funny how people with negative opinions refuse to listen to anything but themselves.

It's also funny how people with no rational basis for an opinion find it impossible that anyone could disagree with their opinion.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

It's funny how people with negative opinions refuse to listen to anything but themselves.

It's funny how people in this community who are willing to share completely reasonable skepticism/concern for the sake of other community members potentially not getting burned on a pretty significant price tag for a piece of hardware with what at the present time amounts to a lot of "mystery specs" and unanswered questions about future functionality - get shit for it.

There is a distinct difference between having an arbitrary negative opinion about a piece of hardware, and a reasonable concern based on experiences with similar existing hardware.

And this is coming from somebody who is EXTREMELY EXTREMELY LENIENT on flaws in clones/emulators.

People give the Sega Gopher shit at $40-$50 over what I consider to be passable offenses. This is a $200 device that we have practically no concrete information on beyond the laughable FAQ on their website.

Q: Can I use the NEOGEO X on Aeroplanes or in Hospitals?
A: Yes, within the set guidelines of the relevant Airline or Hospital.


Though, please, be my guest, spend away at launch and report back on the quality.

I say with all sincerity that I hope that this thing is not the same as every other over-promised and under-delivering similar device out there.

[wiggyx]

While I respect your opinion, things like this have been happening for years and the market is already well aware of the demand for retro games and devices. The Atari Flashback versions 1-4, the various Sega branded handhelds by Blaze, the joystick units from Namco and others that hook directly to a TV, the Commodore 64 and Amiga rebranded devices that seem to come out every few years. The point is, this isn't unique other than the fact that it's a Neo Geo branded device and therefore it evokes an irrational level of fanboy support.

Don't get me wrong, I will admit to being a Neo Geo fan and I own an AES, an MVS, a couple Neo Geo CDs, the NGP, the NGPC, and even a Neo Geo 64 and a library of games for each. That doesn't mean I am going to blindly support this or anything else. If it turns out to be a high quality well built unit that actually plays the games well, I will buy one. If it doesn't, I will feel good about the fact that I didn't spend $200-$250 on one and either way, I'm certainly not going to advocate for this thing without ever having played with it or seen one in person just yet. The fact that people are just giving this the the benefit of the doubt and plunking $200+ down sight unseen is what I find most disturbing. Tommo doesn't have any track record other than as a distributor of other people's products and Blaze has a terrible quality reputation. When combining that with the lack of information from the two companies about future releases or further distribution plans, I'm frankly shocked anyone has preordered this at all. Maybe everyone is just wealthy enough that $200 isn't a big deal on a totally unproven product. I don't know.

Think of it this way, if some of us don't buy them, then you'll never really know if it's an item worth having outside of a few web reviews, which are helpful, but not thorough enough for many DP members. We all know the scrutiny that DP members will apply to a review of an item like this will FAR surpass any review that Gizmodo, Engadget, Kotaku, etc. offer up.


It's funny how people with negative opinions refuse to listen to anything but themselves.

For sure.

The problem is that these are all opinions that aren't backed by any sort of personal experience with the device. That's what kills me. You CAN'T make an educated assessment of something, anything, without your own experience. I know people cite previous efforts by the manufacturer as a quality concern, but at one point Honda and Toyota made tiny little shit boxes that weren't known for their fit and finish or longevity. They obviously learned as they moved forward and now give us some of the most well built cars out there. And for the younger crowd, look at Hyundai. Same exact rags to riches story and they've only just begun to push themselves into the mainstream market with quality products.

Point is, we just don't know outside of a few reviews by the "professionals". Unless you're holding one in your hand, it's probably best to keep what are biased and baseless opinions out of the discussion. I don't diss the quality of bagged cerals and that's because I have never had any bagged cereals. They might be as good as name brand, but I don't look at them simply because I don't have a way to store them and I don't want to buy plastic containers to resolve that issue. I'm not gonna call them crap, and that's because I have zero personal experience with them.




There is a distinct difference between having an arbitrary negative opinion about a piece of hardware, and a reasonable concern based on experiences with similar existing hardware.


Cheap crap trashy product. Will not get. Not interested. Everyone stay away...this is bullsh*t.

thank you.

This is the sort of thing that I'm referring to. It's the assertions and assumptions that bug me, not the folks who are offering up their concerns and/or questions.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Think of it this way, if some of us don't buy them, then you'll never really know if it's an item worth having outside of a few web reviews, which are helpful, but not thorough enough for many DP members. We all know the scrutiny that DP members will apply to a review of an item like this will FAR surpass any review that Gizmodo, Engadget, Kotaku, etc. offer up.

For sure.

The problem is that these are all opinions that aren't backed by any sort of personal experience with the device. That's what kills me. You CAN'T make an educated assessment of something, anything, without your own experience. I know people cite previous efforts by the manufacturer as a quality concern, but at one point Honda and Toyota made tiny little shit boxes that weren't known for their fit and finish or longevity. They obviously learned as they moved forward and now give us some of the most well built cars out there. And for the younger crowd, look at Hyundai. Same exact rags to riches story and they've only just begun to push themselves into the mainstream market with quality products.

Point is, we just don't know outside of a few reviews by the "professionals". Unless you're holding one in your hand, it's probably best to keep what are biased and baseless opinions out of the discussion. I don't diss the quality of bagged cerals and that's because I have never had any bagged cereals. They might be as good as name brand, but I don't look at them simply because I don't have a way to store them and I don't want to buy plastic containers to resolve that issue. I'm not gonna call them crap, and that's because I have zero personal experience with them.

This is the sort of thing that I'm referring to. It's the assertions and assumptions that bug me, not the folks who are offering up their concerns and/or questions.

Well, I hope that I'm the "concerns" and MyTurnToPlay is the unreasonable assumption there.

Because my position does come from a place of concern.

I'm sure you know by now that we're a community of a lot of enthusiasts who, through our relentless passion have spent a LOT of money and been burned who knows how many times by marketing promises of "100% authentic" and "arcade perfect" experiences.

We're the community that's going to notice differences in frame rates, color depths, pixel mapping, etc.

Our level of scrutiny is EPIC.

You can't expect US not to at the very least be skeptical.

I'm not passing any judgment on the quality of device until I play it for myself, but I don't think I'm out of line for publicly speculating that it might just be more of the same.

Because, I want it to be awesome and perfect as much as the next guy ... but from a guy with drawers full of similar devices, I'm doubting that this thing will be without some kind of problems/limitations.

[wiggyx]

Well, I hope that I'm the "concerns" and MyTurnToPlay is the unreasonable assumption there.

Because my position does come from a place of concern.

I'm sure you know by now that we're a community of a lot of enthusiasts who, through our relentless passion have spent a LOT of money and been burned who knows how many times by marketing promises of "100% authentic" and "arcade perfect" experiences.

We're the community that's going to notice differences in frame rates, color depths, pixel mapping, etc.

Our level of scrutiny is EPIC.

You can't expect US not to at the very least be skeptical.

I'm not passing any judgment on the quality of device until I play it for myself, but I don't think I'm out of line for publicly speculating that it might just be more of the same.

Because, I want it to be awesome and perfect as much as the next guy ... but from a guy with drawers full of similar devices, I'm doubting that this thing will be without some kind of problems/limitations.

Very much so the former.

Your opinions in this thread have been VERY clearly labeled as your opinions. That's exactly what is appropriate in this thread, since there's little else to go on at this point.

You're touching on exactly what I was talking about. I WANT that scrutiny, but I want it when it can be backed by personal experience with the device, pictures, videos, etc.

Skepticism is beyond expected. I'm very much so skeptical as well, but I'm also hopeful that my skepticism will be for not. Make no mistake, I'm NOT at all the head cheerleader for this thing. I think it's a cool idea with some cool accessories that normally don't exist in the portable world, let alone packed in with the device! But, just like everyone else here, I'll just have to wait and see if it's worth the $$$.


It just starts to feel like a middle school debate when people start making claims for which they have very little, if any, evidence/data. And like dealing with a middle school child, logic rarely clears the air.

[JackD]

I can back it up by simply looking at other devices that do just about the same thing, and what their price points are. The Dingo, the PSP, portable SNES systems. All of which you can get for well under $100. Unless Blaze's license cost over $100 from SNK for each unit they produce, (which isn't the case), then this should be in the hundred dollar range at most and still make a profit.

Putting aside the cost of licensing the 21 included games, this isn't really much of a comparison.

The Dingoo is around $100, and good luck getting it from a US seller. Delivery time of weeks. The PSP is $120 new. Comparing the cost of a years-old handheld purchased used vs. a brand new handheld bought new? They're $10 apart.
Cost-wise, they're very comparable. The X will hopefully have an advantage in emulation quality as it's an official licensed product, and will have an advantage in controls with it's clicky-stick compared to a D-Pad.
And, of course, 21 licensed official games is pretty fair for the $10-30 price difference, especially after the difference in hardware.

Isn't the entire -point- of the NeoGeo AES, and the brand, that you're paying high prices for the hardware but getting the full experience and your money's worth? It would completely bastardize their device to skimp in order to meet a sub-$100 pricepoint, defeating the entire point. Enjoy your Dingoo?

[Tanooki]

Look I'm a skeptic too and I have faith this thing will make it to market, I feel it will sell just not how much, and my failings with it in being a skeptic are squarely to blame currently on the makers shoulders. You tease us with a unit that eerily looks like the Sega Firecore handheld right down to the SD slot, you load it with 20 games like their units had as well, and leave it open for more. There is more, if you consider 1 game on a SD card more. Now there's the problem, is that it? Is the SD card slot locked? Or is the SD card open for business like on the firecore? Do you plan to release more games, and not just a soft yes, what is on the backburner? That's my problem with it.

THe price, is not. Also coming from a small business background(not in creation though) and also as a former employee of Midway for 2 years and game media for over 5 I have questions, and I have concerns, but price isn't it. I get the price. Let's say it is an emulator sort of like the Dingoo. Fine, and that costs less right? What does the Dingoo have? Software drivers, software emulators, freeware, but does it have 20 arcade licensed roms from another company they paid to license? No. Does the Dingoo have a purchased license for the look, the BIOS code to drive the games, and does it have the license to use the name NeoGeo? NO, NO and NO! At $130 if you factor in what it would cost to license out 20 SNK ROMS, all that other fluff just for the base unit $130 isn't bad. Now take all the extra 'fluff' for the $200 unit. You have the HDMI cable(no biggie), but then you have the dock, the fully functional joystick too, and hey look a 21st game on a SD card supposedly thrown in free for the deluxe package. Yeah, there is no free. All those parts, molding, supplying even the cable, and again a license for another game and what goes into having it on that little SD card from the shell, chip inside and the label all cost money. Factor all that, some profit to keep alive, and then marketing and shipping costs of the unit...where's the scam?

[kedawa]

It's being made by a company with a poor reputation and there is so far little to suggest it's any better than any of the dozens of Chinese handhelds that are cheaper and have more features. At $130, it's in the same price range as high quality android systems with 5" or larger touchscreens and 1GHz A9 based SoC's.

[c0ldb33r]

There is no scam for the price. The price is fair given how few these will be sold. I mean, you can't expect them to get any economy of scale with this unit.

I've got mine preordered with the controller and base. I'm quite excited about it :D


Q: Can I use the NEOGEO X on Aeroplanes or in Hospitals?
A: Yes, within the set guidelines of the relevant Airline or Hospital.

Phew! I can rest easy now.

If this is the kind of discussion this thing is causing on this site, I wouldn't want to know what the folks at the neo-geo.com forums are saying. Those guys are nuts.

edit: I found this at the neo-geo forums:

It sucks. It's a fucking steaming pile of dog shit, covered in flies and dyed red donkey semen.

Other than that guy people seem pretty excited there.

[kedawa]

How many units do you think any given chinese handheld sells?
They don't seem to have any issues with economies of scale.

[wiggyx]

How many units do you think any given chinese handheld sells?
They don't seem to have any issues with economies of scale.

This isn't just some Android EMU machine. It's aimed at an very small potential target market.

[kedawa]

This isn't just some Android EMU machine. It's aimed at an very small potential target market.

All that really matters is how many units they are going to make and how much they spent on the injection molds.
The cheap handhelds I'm referring too seem to come and go weekly, with different shell designs for almost every model.
Internally the NeoGeo X will almost certainly be a garden variety SoC.

[Genesaturn]

I wouldn't mind picking one up, but $200 is pretty pricey and I'm pretty spent after the Wii U launch. The Neo Geo home system is something I don't own yet, and I guess if I had to spend the $200 I'd rather put it towards that.