Seen those mini Genesis consoles with 80 games built in for $40? Yeah, don't bother, they suck.

[joshnickerson]

I picked up one of these because it seemed like a good deal... 40 mostly good Genesis games (and 40 crappy flash games, but whatever) in one unit, PLUS the ability to plug in your original Genesis controllers and game carts? Sign me up! But it wasn't until I got it home and started up Sonic the Hedgehog I discovered the fatal flaw...

The sound chip SUCKS!

The Sonic theme was unrecognizable, it literally sounded like a completely different tune. Sound effects were even worse. I tried several games and they were all horribly off. Seriously, you'd have to TRY really hard to screw up the Genesis sound chip. I've got fami-clones that have more faithful sound emulation.

Plus, I'm not sure if it was my unit or not, but to get back to the game select menu, you press the menu button... except in my case, it would take me back to the menu and then freeze up, forcing me to flip the power switch off and on again to be able to select a new game.

So yeah. It sucks. Maybe if you're deaf, or just don't care about the sound quality, but otherwise, STAY AWAY.

[Emperor Megas]

I haven't even seen them before. I wonder who clones are so notoriously bad? Seriously, I don't understand it. Especially in the cases when many have cheap DIY fixes that make far more serviceable.

[joshnickerson]

http://dgc.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pDGC1-13986372v380.jpg
Behold the beast. Stay away!

[Tupin]

Yeah, I really don't know how you mess up the sound so badly.

We're kind of leaving the age of the clone system in general, anyway. The systems that came out between the point where you could put everything on one chip to the ones that just run Linux and emulate didn't exactly create the best clones. The early Famiclones were so good, they either based themselves off of a legit system, or just stole board designs direct from the original. Either way, it made it so it was more accurate.

[Oldskool]

Would you say it is the same or worse than other AtGames Genesis clones?

Sometimes I wonder when people say "Oh Genesis sound sucks" it's because they listened/played the game on a clone or a cheap tv set. I really start to wonder how many people are left in this world that have their original Genesis hooked up to a really nice stereo system with a good sub. The difference is astounding. @_@

[phreak97]

Ive played the @games clone at a couple of partys, admittedly with loud music playing, but it seemed pretty good. I do have low expectations from clones though

[ArcadiaExeter]

i would never buy anything that has games "built in".

[MASTERWEEDO]

i would never buy anything that has games "built in".

Sega Master System?

[Oldskool]

What's ironic about it is that the original game consoles did all have their games built in - it wasn't until years later that a cartridge slot was added.

[Gameguy]

http://dgc.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pDGC1-13986372v380.jpg
Behold the beast. Stay away!
Isn't that the Sega Firecore? It's supposed to be region free with a NTSC/PAL switch from what I've heard. It originally came with 20 built in games but it looks like they added a bunch, it otherwise looks exactly like the Firecore and it's also by ATGames. It's officially licensed by Sega.

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

Isn't it sort of dubious to call this a clone if it is officially licensed by Sega? Since Sega approves it, and it has the Genesis name it should count as a variant of the system rather than a clone. It may have radically different hardware from the Megadrive, but so have other revisions of systems that are counted as "real" versions.

[hbkprm]

might get that for family for xmas

[CelticJobber]

I bought an AtGames Sega Genesis Ultimate Portable Game Player for $25 on Thanksgiving. It works pretty good on most games, with a few exceptions. They used the Japanese version of Super Street Fighter 2 as one of the built-in games, for some reason.

When adding games with an SD card it has to be formatted as FAT32 and you can only use ROMs that are formatted as .gens and renamed to .bin (.smd files won't work). Mortal Kombat 1 and 2 work fine, but MK3 and UMK3 have wonky controls and you can't perform special moves.

Revolution X won't work at all, neither will Back To The Future 3, Williams Arcade's Greatest Hits, or Ms. Pac-Man. Fatal Fury 2 gets to the title screen but crashes when you try to start and have a match.

WWF Super Wrestlemania seems to run alot faster than normal (the other WWF games seem to work fine, aside from lack of 6-button support for Royal Rumble and Raw, and muffled/garbled speech in Wrestlemania Arcade).

The Sonic and Streets of Rage games which are built in all seem to work fine with little to no audio or other issues. Sonic 3 and Sonic 3D Blast also work great (but they're not built-in, so you have to add them).

http://www.technologytell.com/gaming/files/2012/11/sega-genesis-ultimate-portable-game-player-e1352085963452.jpg

[homerhomer]

I saw that clone system at my local department store and had to look at it. I noticed on the back of the box, they messed up one of the game images. Basically there's a duplicate image of one of the games. I knew right then and there that it was a piece...

Hey does your's have that flaw on the back of the box?

[djshok]

Anything made by AT Games is complete garbage, not worth the value of the cardboard box it comes in. I love how their whole schtick to trying to sell this one is that it comes with some Capcom games built into it... Meanwhile the thing has an SD card slot for you to put whatever roms you want in there. In any case this thing is just a crappy emulator that plugs into your tv and costs money.

If you're gonna go the emulation route, buy yourself a USB controller and play roms in Kega Fusion on your computer. The emulation is way better and you can use the controller for other things too. Plus you won't be giving any money to AT Games thus encouraging them to make more shitty products. They wouldn't keep making these things if people didn't keep buying them.

[Akito01]

I think it's fair to say that these devices may not be for us, but paying attention to where these things are being sold and you can see where the market is. And I'm even going to go out on a limb and say that despite their obvious flaws, they are not actually abominations to man and nature.

When I decided to satisfy my curiosity about Genesis collecting, I actually started with the AT Games Sonic-head thing, which had a bunch of built in games and a cartridge slot. It was tiny, and did pretty much what it said on the box -played Genesis games. After that, I decided to delve a bit deeper and got myself a proper real Genesis, a Sega CD, and a Retron3 for S-video output. If these little cheap clones serve the purpose of re-introducing people to the Genesis library, then maybe that's alright.

I decided to plug in that Sonic-head last night out of curiosity. I tried the built-in copy of Sonic & Knuckles -the opening theme is so messed up its actually kinda amusing. I popped in my copy of Valis III, adjusted my TV settings to reduce the brightness (I didn't remember this thing putting out such a strong signal), and played that for a good long bit. It was pretty fine. Not awesome, not perfect, but fine.

I definitely think there is room for improvement even for these inexpensive devices when it comes to emulation, but again, the target audience for these things is definitely not us. It's the ToysRUs and WalMart crowd. I think that's perfectly alright, and for those who get hooked, the opportunity to get a more authentic Genesis experience is out there and available.

[Tanooki]

All the ATgames systems use the FireCore setup. I had last years version of the new one now in blue that has SF2, and it had 20 games and the SD card slot thing. I pulled a couple hundred games at random that looked somewhat interesting to me. Over just firing them up for a minute or two each I found it worked as playable fully for around 80% of the games is all. If those ignorant bastard would have allowed SAVING to the SD card then all those ActionRPGs and real RPGS like Phantasy Star 2-4 would have bumped up the playability score a heap, but as is they're impossible to finish without saving in a reasonable setting. The firecore setup does have problems with screen and scrolling priorities in some titles, the worst offender is Contra, while all games to a varying degree do have some audio problems with pitch and tone, but no music is just dropped. For the price they're not terrible, but you could do a lot better. It's a shame the new one with the cart port isn't improved, despicable really, as now it claims to run whatever and I bet it won't. Perhaps their stupidity was too much to fix the saving problem so adding a game cart slot bypasses that since you can save to a real cart you buy.

Personally I'm more interested in NeoGeoX and how that plays out, someone review that in a few weeks k? The NG uses a beefier version of the 68000 and z80 cpu of the Genesis, I fear it's some firecore like clone crap, but I'm hoping it's not as ATGames isn't involved supposedly. IT also has a SD card slot too, but they look to be using it to sell addon arcade games at $20 a pop so I hope it's open and not locked down.

[wingzrow]

The model 2 sega genesis, and late model 1 sega genesis had messed up chips that sounded like static when you turned up the volume.

Even the official emulator the wii used for sega genesis games had inaccurate sound.

Maybe it's just much harder to mimic the sega genesis's sound chip than we realize?

[josekortez]

I bought both of the recent re-releases (standalone and portable) because I'm a fan of clones. What really caught my eye is that, inside the Ultimate Portable box, was a brochure that showed a Genesis cartridge that accepted an SD card, and it said to go to www.atgames.com to purchase it. It hasn't shown up on that site yet, but it's only a matter of time before it will be available for sale. I'm hoping it will be soon. Right now, they only sell power cords for the standalone and portable systems.

[Blitzwing256]

I was going to do a review on my blog of this, but life has once again got in the way.

the one good thing it does is you cam play megadrive and genesis games without an adaptor, better still you can play locked out games such as shining force 2 (jap) just fine.
The only downside is ,if you have the Japanese version of games such as bare knuckle 1 or 2, it will always boot in english mode.

[kedawa]

These things really are garbage, especially compared to the handhelds and plug&plays that you can import from china.
For the same price, you can get something that plays ROMs from a dozen different systems as well as movies and music.

I am curious about the SMS/GG plug&play that looks like a deformed Sonic head, though.
From my experience with the Coleco PlayPal, Sega 8bit clones seem a lot less dodgy than their 16bit counterparts.

[djshok]

I popped in my copy of Valis III, adjusted my TV settings to reduce the brightness (I didn't remember this thing putting out such a strong signal), and played that for a good long bit. It was pretty fine. Not awesome, not perfect, but fine.


What I find impressive here is that you played Valis III for a long time.

Seriously though that game.... I don't think I've ever wanted to smash a cartridge so much for having terrible gameplay mechanics as I did with that game. The jumping is just so broken. You must have the patience of a saint.

[Akito01]

What I find impressive here is that you played Valis III for a long time.

Seriously though that game.... I don't think I've ever wanted to smash a cartridge so much for having terrible gameplay mechanics as I did with that game. The jumping is just so broken. You must have the patience of a saint.

I think I have an affinity for that series that doesn't entirely depend on the mechanics of the gameplay, I have to confess. After Robotech, the opportunities to experience Japanese anime was pretty difficult in the late 80s early 90s, at least prior to the explosion that took place when Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z landed. The great thing about the Valis series, as well as other Reno titles like El Viento, was how infused it was with anime art and sensibility, while also being one of the few series that provided a female protagonist.

My motivation for plugging it in now has to do with my next XNA project for Xbox Indie games. My most recently completed title is in peer review, and I've been casting about for ideas for my next project to start on. I have it in mind to do my own take on the Valis formula -an action platformer with a female lead wielding a sword. My first platform game on XNA was a bit of a failure, but I've learned a few new tricks since then to want to try again, but I don't want to re-visit the MegaMan formula that I did with that title. So, for this game, I want to take cues in terms of what Valis did right and wrong, and think about what gameplay elements I need to incorporate.

[Tanooki]

I did some digging on this last night due to a post just on this thing over at NA too.

Long story short, still has the same poor audio, perhaps barely better. Visuals problems on select games still exist such as the nasty background foulup that makes Contra useless. The most damning thing across both, the ignorant fools still wont allow games to save if it supports it. Specifically damning the most, the home system which takes Genesis games, well IT CAN'T SAVE ON REAL GAMES EITHER! Huge what the fuck moment there entirely.

I'd think if I got one, and it's a larger IF too as I had the last years model, I'd get the portable just because Wily Wars and the 2 SF2 titles are built into it and that's really about it. They don't seem to care about fixing up their firecore emulator really, and disgustingly have no interest allowing games to save, even legit carts.

[Akito01]

I did some digging on this last night due to a post just on this thing over at NA too.

Long story short, still has the same poor audio, perhaps barely better. Visuals problems on select games still exist such as the nasty background foulup that makes Contra useless. The most damning thing across both, the ignorant fools still wont allow games to save if it supports it. Specifically damning the most, the home system which takes Genesis games, well IT CAN'T SAVE ON REAL GAMES EITHER! Huge what the fuck moment there entirely.



I had not idea about that regarding the home console version. I guess I'd never tried a battery save game on my own AT clone. That is baffling and certainly worthy of derision. They really should have gotten that detail right, if nothing else. That's a real shame, as these AT clones are about the only ones that make it onto mass market shelves (at least as far as I can tell).

[Az]

I am curious about the SMS/GG plug&play that looks like a deformed Sonic head

I have this and... it's not too shabby. Unit is really small & the d-pad is much better than I expected. The games all play fine and sound much more accurate than any of the Genesis stuff they have put out.

I won't go as far as to say the sound is perfect, but for the little time I tried it out nothing jumped out and smacked me in the face as being out of whack like all their other clones.

The game list, while all over the place, is still cool. Granted everyone has their opinions of what should or should not have been included, but for $15 USD what more can you ask? Plus you get to legally play GG games on the big screen, which I'm pretty sure is a first (outside of a hardware mod).

[Edmond Dantes]

What I find impressive here is that you played Valis III for a long time.

Seriously though that game.... I don't think I've ever wanted to smash a cartridge so much for having terrible gameplay mechanics as I did with that game. The jumping is just so broken. You must have the patience of a saint.

I always found Valis to be games that are so good they overcome the problematic programming. I played Valis III just a couple of days ago, kept going until I beat it, and while the mechanics bothered me at times (at least until I learned you could slide over pits), it was just so fun.

The anime nature appeals to me too, but what I really like about Valis is their aesthetic--they take place in dark, threatening worlds full of weird things, but they're not Frank Miller grit and angst. They're fun. They're fundark. It's something you rarely see anymore, now that everything has to be DEEP and SERIOUS.

[kedawa]

Valis III could have don without the "BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP...BUP-BUP...BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP...BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP...BUP...BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP-BUP" everytime someone speaks. I really liked the game though, ice level and all.


I have this and... it's not too shabby. Unit is really small & the d-pad is much better than I expected. The games all play fine and sound much more accurate than any of the Genesis stuff they have put out.

I won't go as far as to say the sound is perfect, but for the little time I tried it out nothing jumped out and smacked me in the face as being out of whack like all their other clones.

The game list, while all over the place, is still cool. Granted everyone has their opinions of what should or should not have been included, but for $15 USD what more can you ask? Plus you get to legally play GG games on the big screen, which I'm pretty sure is a first (outside of a hardware mod).

The PlayPal had an AV output and several GG games as well. I'm assuming the one you bought is the same as the one available on Dealextreme, so I might order that one of these days.

[Jorpho]

I found this today.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me830jmNwe1qdzcdgo1_500.jpg
source (http://betterontv.tumblr.com/post/36771043746/the-only-system-for-me)

[brainerdrainer]

Yeah I've seen these at Walgreens. Glad I didn't end up getting one now

[Ace]

I'm gonna have to get one of the home consoles so I can rip it a new one. Seriously, these AtGames consoles never worked right since they were first released in 2008 and belong in a landfill.

AT THE VERY LEAST, AtGames could fix the sound pitch of the emulated YM2612/YM3438 and SN76489, but no, they can't even be arsed to do that so the sound out of their software-emulated turds wouldn't induce a massive headache to those who are familiar with the sound of the YM2612/YM3438 (depending on which Genesis model you used) and SN76489.

Total f***ing garbage. Even worse is that it seems the clones with SD card slots are MORE COMPATIBLE than those with cartridge slots. I was able to get Super Street Fighter II working on a Genesis Arcade Motion Dual, but I always see the original cartridge boot to a red screen on AtGames clones with cartridge slots (they probably don't support the bankswitching hardware in the cartridge).

And I was actually about to ask about saves on the new consoles, then found this:


The most damning thing across both, the ignorant fools still wont allow games to save if it supports it. Specifically damning the most, the home system which takes Genesis games, well IT CAN'T SAVE ON REAL GAMES EITHER!

ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME?! Sega seriously needs a new licensee to produce licensed Geniclones. Not even the worst GOAC-based clones come close to the plethora of software-emulated filth AtGames has released over the past 4 years. Does the home console at least READ saves? If it can't do that, either... well, no words I can think of would be able to express my utter disgust.

[Flashback2012]

I'm glad I noticed this thread. I had strongly considered getting one of these because of the ability to play carts on it as well as the built in roms. I figured it wouldn't be too bad being officially licensed by Sega but I have to wonder if Sega put their name on it because they'll take any cash they can get their hands on at this point. :p

[Tanooki]

Yes ATGames piece of shit genesis on a chip that reads real game carts can read a saved game and load it, but it will never write a saved game back to the cart. Basically let's say if you were playing like Phantasy Star 2, and you got 90% of the way through it and your system broke and your only choice was to get this piece of crap to finish it. Well better leave it on permanently until you're done or do a huge long suicide run as there won't be any saving until the end, and hope to hell you don't get your party killed either. :)

I could deal with a few off key games as cheap as it is but killing the ability to save in general but really on an actual game crosses the line.

[thegamezmaster]

What about the Sega Genesis Ultimate Portable Game Player Hand Held Sega Game 80 Games that also uses SD cards for games? Are those any good? Anyone have one, if so what are your thoughts? Thanks.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

What about the Sega Genesis Ultimate Portable Game Player Hand Held Sega Game 80 Games that also uses SD cards for games? Are those any good? Anyone have one, if so what are your thoughts? Thanks.

They're all the same.

All of the modern licensed Sega stuff uses the "firecore" system and the all have the same limitations in terms of audio/video output and compatibility.

Some people are aware of and are completely fine with the shortcomings and others absolutely despise them and strongly discourage purchase.

If you want something that plays a large number of Genesis roms with the typical sub-par audio that genesis clones produce and no ability to save in any game, then they're worth considering as an imperfect novelty to add to your collection.

If those things are deal-breakers then stay away.

[Tanooki]

The handheld has a tweaked or slightly better core as Street Fighter II and Mega Man Wily Wars work while on the console version hey don't. That said, it depends what you want out of either of them.

If you're ok with some off key notes in some games where it's really noticeable, and you do not care if NO games will allow saving, then yes it's a really nice handheld for the price as it has a heap of variety. I had the last revision of it in black and orange and I could do quite a bit on it, and the only one that pissed me off that wouldn't work oddly was Contra outside of the no-save titles.

If you're HUGE into Sega and you just can't stand music that isn't 100%, I'd avoid it as it will be like nails on a chalkboard to you perhaps. In all reality it really isn't that bad, the pisser is the saving problem and the only reason I don't own one now though it's very tempting with the Mega Man and SF2 titles on the newest portable. The home system is a waste of cash, might as well just get the crappy Majesco Genesis 3 system, at least it will save games and sound right, Contra will work too.

[Daria]

might as well just get the crappy Majesco Genesis 3 system,

Why do you think it's so crappy? Besides being incompatible with add-on systems/peripherals it always seemed like a decent enough unit the years that I had to use it. I always liked the fact that the Genesis 3 was so compact and portable. Sturdy too, I once dropped the leg of my bed down on the thing by accident, didn't even crack the plastic.

[thegamezmaster]

Thanks to all who replied about the portable! I appreciate it.

[Ed Oscuro]

Isn't it sort of dubious to call this a clone if it is officially licensed by Sega?
Sega's new people don't seem to have "cloned" the respect for 2D gaming they used to have - I'd call this a quick cash grab and outsourced to the lowest bidder.

Why do you think [the Genesis 3 is] so crappy? Besides being incompatible with add-on systems/peripherals it always seemed like a decent enough unit the years that I had to use it. I always liked the fact that the Genesis 3 was so compact and portable. Sturdy too, I once dropped the leg of my bed down on the thing by accident, didn't even crack the plastic.
Man, it feels like old times in here. The Genesis 3 has some nice new features (I just found out that it uses a newer Sony RGB encoder than other systems - of course, cheapass Majesco didn't make good use of it; if you want RGB output you have to mod it) but is different in ways that break some games:

[SegaRetro:] A bug in the console's I/O controller that prevented the "TAS" instruction from working correctly was fixed in the Genesis 3. However, some games that incorrectly used this instruction, such as Gargoyles, will no longer run correctly, since they expected the instruction to do nothing.
Not the worst design, but if "minimal modification" lets you use some of the extra parts, it's clearly not being all the console it can be.

All told you can probably do much better hacking a newer Sony RGB encoder into a classic Genesis.

[Tanooki]

Daria, preference really. It felt cheap and thin, it didn't have all the chips on board the older Sega made systems did, nor did it have the output quality, and finally it pissed me off not running Virtua Racing due to the corner cutting.

But, in this case, given how ratty this cart taking piece of junk that won't save and won't run Contra either, it's an easy suggestion on the Genesis 3 if you want a mini system that'll get the job done on all but one game.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Isn't it sort of dubious to call this a clone if it is officially licensed by Sega? Since Sega approves it, and it has the Genesis name it should count as a variant of the system rather than a clone. It may have radically different hardware from the Megadrive, but so have other revisions of systems that are counted as "real" versions.

Splitting hairs really.

Sega may license these, but they're FAR closer to UNLICENSED clone hardware than they are to genuine Genesis or MegaDrive hardware.

Any other licensed "variant" in the era of the Genesis/MegaDrive being commercially produced hardware (Genesis 3, JVC X-Eye, Laseractive, etc.) never came close to the compatibility and A/V issues that these Firecore based systems have.

The most appropriate terminology IMO would be "licensed clone", since that's really what they are.

They're not designed or Q/A'ed with the stringency and compatibility testing that any other previously licensed Sega system ever had.

[Ace]

(I just found out that it uses a newer Sony RGB encoder than other systems - of course, cheapass Majesco didn't make good use of it; if you want RGB output you have to mod it)

STOP!!! That is completely wrong. A Genesis 3 natively outputs RGB and Composite from the multi-A/V out, and I'll tell you this: if one applied the full compatibility fix for the Sega 32X and RGB video wasn't on the multi-A/V out, you wouldn't be able to see the Genesis' video layer. I've done the 32X compatibility fix, and I can assure you the Genesis 3 outputs RGB out of the box (this is the earlier VA1 motherboard I'm talking about here, but even the later and even cheaper VA2 motherboard has RGB output out of the box).

May I ask who the hell posted so much false information about the Genesis 3 that people keep repeating to this day even though it's been proven wrong already? I'm seriously getting annoyed by this.

And one more thing:


Yes ATGames piece of shit genesis on a chip that reads real game carts can read a saved game and load it, but it will never write a saved game back to the cart.

First off, AtGames' clones are NOT, I repeat, NOT GOACs. They run on Titan ARM cores and use software emulation to mimic the Genesis (and we all know how well that turned out). Second, at least they can load saved games, but I'm wondering if there's a missing signal on the cartridge slot which is required for writing to the battery-backed SRAM, serial EEPROM and FeRAM chips (depending on what type of chip was used to hold save data). I remember reading somewhere about the Radica PlayTV Legends series of GOAC-based plug & play consoles that they too can't save data to cartridges due to a missing signal, and it makes me wonder if the AtGames consoles that have cartridge slots are missing the same signal. For all we know, it MIGHT be possible to generate this missing signal, but I would need the Genesis Arcade Classic to be able to test this for sure.

[c0ldb33r]

I bought an AtGames Sega Genesis Ultimate Portable Game Player for $25 on Thanksgiving. It works pretty good on most games, with a few exceptions. They used the Japanese version of Super Street Fighter 2 as one of the built-in games, for some reason...
I see from the picture that that comes with MM: Wily Wars

Can this version save? I have the orange version and I don't think it can save any games. So, wouldn't that make Wily Wars unplayable, as there are no passwords?

[zakthedodo]

How can these companies keep screwing up what should be a simple matter of reproducing over 20 year old technology?

[kedawa]

It's simple; they're cheap. Rather than develop a modern solution, they just buy whatever POS Chinese-designed hardware is cheapest.

[Ed Oscuro]

STOP!!! That is completely wrong. A Genesis 3 natively outputs RGB and Composite from the multi-A/V out, and I'll tell you this: if one applied the full compatibility fix for the Sega 32X and RGB video wasn't on the multi-A/V out, you wouldn't be able to see the Genesis' video layer. I've done the 32X compatibility fix, and I can assure you the Genesis 3 outputs RGB out of the box (this is the earlier VA1 motherboard I'm talking about here, but even the later and even cheaper VA2 motherboard has RGB output out of the box).

May I ask who the hell posted so much false information about the Genesis 3 that people keep repeating to this day even though it's been proven wrong already? I'm seriously getting annoyed by this.
Not sure why I wrote that, but here: http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/genesis3.htm

Also http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=av:sony_cxa_series - the CXA2075 has been, regardless of what's posted there, been hacked into Genesis, SNES (Super Famicom?) Jr. (Mini?), and AV Famicom consoles. I assume that Drakon (http://www.segaage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=48&threadid=63170) has modified a Genesis 3 with video.

[Ace]

That link is crap. I don't know who wrote that, but the RGB section needs to be removed as it's total BS that the Genesis 3 has no RGB.

A lot of people seem to like the Sony CXA2075, but I won't go there. BA7230LS for me, thank you very much. This encoder encodes from RGB to Component which then reencodes it to Composite and S-Video, the latter two which can be ignored. For me, if something has RGB, it's either pure RGB or Component, nothing else.