It bothers me that Goldeneye is living on as a classic and yet Perfect Dark is fading into obscurity

[Urzu402]

All it takes is one look on ebay to see this is happening prices for Goldeneye are rather high like 20 dollars for a loose cart. Perfect Dark is under 10 dollars for a loose cart.
Perfect Dark took almost everything Goldeneye did good and improved upon it a lot. It's either that or people have raging hard-ons for James Bond

[kupomogli]

The single player mode on Goldeneye was better and the multiplayer stages on Goldeneye were also better. That being said, Perfect Dark's multiplayer was far better than Goldeneye and had some of the best Goldeneye stages in its multiplayer.

I think they're both classics and should be equally as desirable, but like you mentioned, it being a James bond game might increase its value. There are people out there who don't care about video games who might purchase it because of the IP.

[Battyone]

I think a lot of it has to do with timing too. I feel that due to when they were released quite a few more people played Goldeneye compared to Perfect Dark. By the time PD was released Dreamcast was on the US market for a few months, and gamers were looking ahead to the next generation of gaming, whereas Goldeneye was a (relatively) early hit in the N64s life cycle. Basically Goldeneye was there at the peak of the N64s steam and PD came in at the very end of the line.

[T2KFreeker]

Like being said above, James Bond is an internationally known character, Joanna Dark isn't., Plus factor in that Perfect Dark Zero was a dud and God knows if there will ever be another PD game and that does it. They still make Bond games and many people who get amped for a new Bond game thinks, "Hey man, remember GoldenEye for the Nintendo 64? That game was awesome back in the day. I should pick it up again so I can play it again!" Possibly, if a new Perfect Dark game released, you might see the same thing happen with the prequels, as it were. I personally am not a fan of either game, but I understand what is happening sales wise.

EDIT: On a side note, the original Perfect Dark is also available for XBOX Live. Not sure how much of that has to do with the sales figures either, but it is there for ease of use for some people.

[Gameguy]

I've played Perfect Dark and thought it was crap. A large part of the game is only accessible if you have the expansion pack, and even then it's only good if you're playing multiplayer. I don't know anybody else who still plays older games like me so that limits me to single player, which really sucks as all you do is play against robots in game for training until the timer runs out and you're given a score based on your performance. If there's more to the game than that I've never experienced it. I'm surprised this is worth more than $5, I'm assuming because it's because the N64 is exploding with popularity and high prices right now.

[Bojay1997]

I agree that Perfect Dark is technically the better game in many ways, however, as others have pointed out, Goldeneye is just a much more interesting and rich setting. Even today I vividly remember the first time I played it and how the music and effects and theme all tied together in such a cohesive and cinematic way. With Pefect Dark on the other hand, I can't even remember much about the story or the environment. I just remember the actual shooting gameplay was really smooth.

[FoxNtd]

Both of these games are so good, I'll never let them go. Must-have titles for the system, unless you just absolutely despise the FPS genre haha.

Has anyone cleared PD on the highest difficulty (Perfect Agent I think it's called) -- holy fuck it's HARD!!! I can do 00 Agent in Goldeneye, and in fact did it a second time about a year ago. The Caverns was the toughest level to do since the enemies have armour and there are a bunch of tricky parts to the mission.. but PD is ridiculous. I think I gave up trying to do the Area 51 infiltration. I keep dying at the very end where there is, in fact, unlimited enemies and you have to run to the exit. It's such a pain to replay the entire mission, praying you preserve as much health as possible, for the end, hoping to pull it off.

I have no idea why it's so hard. :| Maybe I should go back to PD and try again...

[Graham Mitchell]

Both of these games are so good, I'll never let them go. Must-have titles for the system, unless you just absolutely despise the FPS genre haha.

Has anyone cleared PD on the highest difficulty (Perfect Agent I think it's called) -- holy fuck it's HARD!!! I can do 00 Agent in Goldeneye, and in fact did it a second time about a year ago. The Caverns was the toughest level to do since the enemies have armour and there are a bunch of tricky parts to the mission.. but PD is ridiculous. I think I gave up trying to do the Area 51 infiltration. I keep dying at the very end where there is, in fact, unlimited enemies and you have to run to the exit. It's such a pain to replay the entire mission, praying you preserve as much health as possible, for the end, hoping to pull it off.

I have no idea why it's so hard. :| Maybe I should go back to PD and try again...

Even on normal difficulty the game is ridiculously hard. I gave up on it. I wish it could be played with a mouse/keyboard setup. Soooo much more responsive.

[understatement]

Personally I don’t care for either but that’s coming from someone that grew up with a mouse and keyboard for FPSs to this day I can’t use a controller worth a crap in FPSs so if it’s not on PC I don’t play it.

I do think it strange that the reason one is held above the other is because it’s a movie tie-in game where that is usually the exact opposite with just about every other game. I guess being made by the same people helps.

[RCM]

Both are important N64 games with Goldeneye having a clear edge in terms of its place in history. I actually played Goldeneye a few weeks ago and found the controls confusing and frustrating in comparison to modern FPS console games. It's not something I'll likely go back to and play anytime soon, but it was thrilling as a teenager to play with my friends.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

While I recall vastly preferring Goldeneye to Perfect Dark at the time, I think it's tough to go back to either after the massive massive improvements David Doak and company at Free Radical made with the TimeSplitters (series which also shares DNA with those other games).

If there's one classic FPS series that is fading into obscurity that makes me sad, it's not Goldeneye or Perfect Dark, it's TimeSplitters!

[RCM]

While I recall vastly preferring Goldeneye to Perfect Dark at the time, I think it's tough to go back to either after the massive massive improvements David Doak and company at Free Radical made with the TimeSplitters (series which also shares DNA with those other games).

If there's one classic FPS series that is fading into obscurity that makes me sad, it's not Goldeneye or Perfect Dark, it's TimeSplitters!

Fuck yeah! Timesplitters 2 & 3 on Xbox rule.

[kupomogli]

I've played Perfect Dark and thought it was crap. A large part of the game is only accessible if you have the expansion pack, and even then it's only good if you're playing multiplayer. I don't know anybody else who still plays older games like me so that limits me to single player, which really sucks as all you do is play against robots in game for training until the timer runs out and you're given a score based on your performance. If there's more to the game than that I've never experienced it. I'm surprised this is worth more than $5, I'm assuming because it's because the N64 is exploding with popularity and high prices right now.

The game also has its own single player storyline as well. I remember it with being extremely limited without the expansion pack so maybe single player required the expansion pack as well.

[alec006]

Even on normal difficulty the game is ridiculously hard. I gave up on it. I wish it could be played with a mouse/keyboard setup. Soooo much more responsive.

Aint that the truth, I was just playing the first Area 51 level on normal and got my ass handed to me by those damn automatic guns, and then it's like the AI knows exactly where to shoot, like right in the head. Don't even get me started on that Area 51 level where your the Alien, that level is, just bullshit, and there's a cheat that I never earned because you have to do it in a certain amount of time on Perfect Agent.

I think a big reason Perfect Dark isn't played more than Goldeneye is the fact that to play the whole game you have to have the expansion pak. Granted you can still play the game, but as a kid you're like, hey where's all that cool stuff I seen on TV? And oh I have to convince my parents to buy me this $30 thing from my N64?

Not to mention gamers that didn't know about the expansion pak, never knew Perfect Dark had more to it. Only three games require the expansion pak to play, and most N64's I knew had the jumper pak.

Ask for the control thing, I never had a problem playing Goldeneye as a kid, the controls were very easy to learn and I can still play it to this day, strafing and all. I can't stand modern FPS, way too sensitive controls, not to mention the two weapon crap.

Both are classics for me, but I remember playing Goldeneye much more as a kid with my friends and pissing them off by getting up back in the vents in Facility and throwing proximity mines in the toliets, oh the good oh days of split screen multiplayer.

[FoxNtd]

I fully understand the superiority and advantages of the mouse/keyboard pairing for FPS. (I am a big fan of Enemy Territory, pretty much the only game I play on the computer anymore.)

Despite this the N64 controller is my all-time favorite controller for FPS. I don't even like FPS really on any other console. I made an exception for XIII which I played on Gamecube. It was a little troublesome to use a GC controller for FPS but I managed and the game is pretty good, actually. The difficulty playing FPS on N64 has never been about the controller. (At least for me personally.)


Aint that the truth, I was just playing the first Area 51 level on normal and got my ass handed to me by those damn automatic guns, and then it's like the AI knows exactly where to shoot, like right in the head. Don't even get me started on that Area 51 level where your the Alien, that level is, just bullshit, and there's a cheat that I never earned because you have to do it in a certain amount of time on Perfect Agent.

I think a big reason Perfect Dark isn't played more than Goldeneye is the fact that to play the whole game you have to have the expansion pak. Granted you can still play the game, but as a kid you're like, hey where's all that cool stuff I seen on TV? And oh I have to convince my parents to buy me this $30 thing from my N64?


You can pick off those guns without being detected by them. One of the biggest issues is the first large open space where the little "Base" section is and there's that guard post which defends the switch to open that huge gate. Those guards have insanely high accuracy which makes no sense. Also the back of the box explains to you what you can and can't play if you play without the Expansion Pak. Maybe in the past it was a valid point that it contributes to the price of the game but these days all this stuff is really cheap, so if you missed out because the accessory was expensive or whatever, well now's the time to get it! :)

[kupomogli]

it's like the AI knows exactly where to shoot, like right in the head.

I don't remember what the last AI was. I knew the first one was Meat Bot and I think it went all the way to Dark Bot or Perfect Bot, not sure which the last one was. Anyways. We had three players one time so to do teams, one of us got the bot. We found out that no matter where on the map the bot is at, it's always locked onto the closest enemy's location. While it moved it was aimed in that direction.

[Greg2600]

Perfect Dark was a more complete game for sure. It was in my mind the precursor to Halo. My cousin and I played the co-op story mode, which was a ton of fun. The multiplayer was much more elaborate, with larger levels. That said, I still prefer Goldeneye mainly because of my affinity for the James Bond franchise. In addition, while the co-op was fun because we could both play it, a la Contra, the story itself was unbelievably dull and uninteresting. Like Halo!

[kedawa]

Neither one is all that great compared to most first-person shooters available on PC at the time.
Golden Eye was a good console FPS at a time when there were no good console FPS's.

[o.pwuaioc]

8 Perfect bots. 1 laptop gun (with some other guns). Area 51. Oooooooohh, yeeeeeaaaah.

[Gameguy]

The game also has its own single player storyline as well. I remember it with being extremely limited without the expansion pack so maybe single player required the expansion pack as well.
Maybe that's it, I've tried playing it for at least 20 minutes at a time and could never get past that tutorial section. If the problem is with the lack of an expansion pack it should have been made to require it, not making it optional. Of course I never seem to have a copy of this game at the same time as a system with an expansion pack to find out if that's the problem, I tend to sell them soon after finding them as I'm not big on the system.

[j_factor]

I thought Perfect Dark was way overhyped and overrated. The plot is retarded, the enemies and characters are uninteresting, and most of the levels are really dull. There's a good variety of weapons, but some of them are pretty eyeroll-inducing.

To be fair, I don't give a damn about multiplayer, so I judged it purely for the single-player experience. (And I played the main campaign, unlike Gameguy here.)

This is the #2 N64 game on Metacritic, with a score of 97. That just blows my mind. In comparison, Medal of Honor and System Shock 2 both have a 92, No One Lives Forever a 91, and Deus Ex has a 90. To me, Perfect Dark doesn't hold a candle to those games.

[Urzu402]

Back in the day me and my friends had a lot of fun playing Goldeneye to the point where we would get into physical confrontations over who was better but nothing serious just friendly quarrels. But then oh man then Perfect Dark came out me and my friends are like oh crap it's awesome. I really remember enjoying the co op story mode A LOT. That alone was what made me like the game better than Goldeneye. But that's not all they added to Perfect Dark they added new weapons. And the biggest besides the co op story is the bots in multiplayer that also improved the game a lot over Goldeneye. Another one of the updates I liked but wasn't too big was the ability to customize your character in multiplayer and the saving of your stats, which only went on to fuel our arguments about who was better. To end unlike some people I have a lot more good memories with Perfect Dark than Goldeneye but when it comes to storyline and characters Goldeneye doesn win against Perfect Dark hands down. I don't even think we paid too much attention to the story in those types of games anyway every thing was boom shoot bad guys explosions Hell Yeah! This is amazing! Also one last tidbit I was probably one of the lucky ones who originally played the game with the expansion pack because not only did I have one when I got Majora's Mask before Perfect Dark I was smart enough to read the box of the game to see that it was pretty much required.

[IHatedSega]

All its gonna take is for Mike Matei to do a top 10 N64 forgotten classics video (and this will be one of them), then youll see it going for $30 on ebay the next day. Ive heard from people in stores and online that it was a great game, so I think plenty of people remember it. Buy the thing cheap while you still can is what I say.

[Urzu402]

I was just thinking, back when the game was first released we had packaging to tell you you that you pretty much needed the expansion pack to play the game fully. Now thats not exactly clear anymore, so I see how now especially that the game is being sold cart only that people could not know that you need the expansion pack. Leading to someone buying the game for nostalgia and ultimately ending up disappointed.

[Urzu402]

This was a double post please delete or ignore

[Rob2600]

In 2000, Perfect Dark's multiplayer was lightyears ahead of any other console FPS at the time.

[Rob2600]

And CamSpy FTW.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090224201049/perfectdark/images/4/46/Device03.jpg

[Gameguy]

I was just thinking, back when the game was first released we had packaging to tell you you that you pretty much needed the expansion pack to play the game fully. Now thats not exactly clear anymore, so I see how now especially that the game is being sold cart only that people could not know that you need the expansion pack. Leading to someone buying the game for nostalgia and ultimately ending up disappointed.
The front of the box says that you need an expansion pak for "Maximum Gameplay". That should be changed to "Basic Gameplay" to be more accurate. Maybe it's just me but I consider 1 Player mode to be something basic that should be included. I've done some digging and found something that would have been on the back of the box.


http://s17.postimage.org/gd2125qfz/Perfect_Dark_Expansion_Pak_Info.jpg


Maybe I have a copy still around so I'll try it again, I actually have an expansion pak on hand so I could try it as intended. That's if I can find that copy, which I might not even have. I'd rather play FPS games on a PC instead.

[FoxNtd]

I've done some digging and found something that would have been on the back of the box.


It is indeed on the box. (The NTSC-U version, anyway.) :roll:

[Greg2600]

Neither one is all that great compared to most first-person shooters available on PC at the time.
Golden Eye was a good console FPS at a time when there were no good console FPS's.

On 1-player some were fine, but they were usually just Doom clones or Duke Nukem. I loved the Dark Forces games, which were one of those. However, the multiplayer was absolutely horrendous on almost all of those. Forced to play on dialup, they were glitchy, choppy, and had barely any hit detection between players. In fact, my friend, who lived down the street, and I would take turns playing Dark Forces or Duke Nukem in each other's house, rather than try to play multiplayer on dialup. But I must say, in 1996-1997-1998 the PC FPS games were not better than Goldeneye in play fun. Yes maybe graphics, but that doesn't make a game better. I remember the first Rainbow Six games, they were horrible.

[ubersaurus]

Perfect Dark is excellent, but yeah, it came in late in the cycle. Plus, Nintendo produced a LOT of copies of the game... far more than originally were sold, I think. That commonness probably doesn't help the price at all.

[kedawa]

On 1-player some were fine, but they were usually just Doom clones or Duke Nukem. I loved the Dark Forces games, which were one of those. However, the multiplayer was absolutely horrendous on almost all of those. Forced to play on dialup, they were glitchy, choppy, and had barely any hit detection between players. In fact, my friend, who lived down the street, and I would take turns playing Dark Forces or Duke Nukem in each other's house, rather than try to play multiplayer on dialup. But I must say, in 1996-1997-1998 the PC FPS games were not better than Goldeneye in play fun. Yes maybe graphics, but that doesn't make a game better. I remember the first Rainbow Six games, they were horrible.
And how was the networked multiplayer on GoldenEye?
I remember playing Quake and Duke Nukem 3D over a LAN in 1995 and having my mind blown. GoldenEye was fun, too, but it paled in comparison to its PC counterparts.

[Leo_A]

Hopefully they do a Timesplitters HD Trilogy one of these days. Not many gems from the last gen that had a series of releases available left that would be obvious candidates these days for such a thing outside of some Nintendo GCN/Wii franchises.

I never did beat the final boss in Perfect Dark. So I'll have to do that eventually and also try out the higher difficulty's. But I thought the single player was pretty entertaining overall. Several interesting levels that remain favorites to this day and I had fun enough with it despite having been a PC gamer that had played games like Half-Life.

I wish they had overhauled the controls for the XBLA release. You have both sticks that you can use, but the aiming cursor still operates like it always did as I recall from the demo. Full modern controls would've been a nice option I think.


But I must say, in 1996-1997-1998 the PC FPS games were not better than Goldeneye in play fun. Yes maybe graphics, but that doesn't make a game better. I remember the first Rainbow Six games, they were horrible.

Half-Life was released in 1998.


All its gonna take is for Mike Matei to do a top 10 N64 forgotten classics video (and this will be one of them), then youll see it going for $30 on ebay the next day. Ive heard from people in stores and online that it was a great game, so I think plenty of people remember it. Buy the thing cheap while you still can is what I say.

And just who is Mike Matei?

[IHatedSega]

And just who is Mike Matei?

He helps James to make the AVGN videos.

[treismac]

There were two amazing [read: cheap yet fun] guns that really made Perfect Dark for me: the Laptop Gun and especially the Slayer, which fired fly-by-wire remote controlled rockets. Those two weapons on multiplayer were great fun.

Honestly, since you need the expansion pack to play Perfect Dark, isn't it merciful that the game isn't as acclaimed as James Bond making it $20 or so plus whatever the expansion pack goes for? With video game recognition driving up the prices, I am more than happy to discuss obscure and affordable favorites with ya'll here on DP rather than to bemoan the ridiculous prices of widely acclaimed favorites.

[alec006]

And how was the networked multiplayer on GoldenEye?
I remember playing Quake and Duke Nukem 3D over a LAN in 1995 and having my mind blown. GoldenEye was fun, too, but it paled in comparison to its PC counterparts.

Actually it's great if you have an emulator, but it would have been cool if the Nintendo 64 Disk Drive would have had a modem built in so you could play some N64 games over a network or dial up. Ah the possibilitys....Mario Party over a network...blisters and all.

[otaku]

yeah it should be considered a classic you'd think it could be revived on 360 or on wii via the vc on the n64 section. Perhaps the less than awesome 360 sequel is to blame?

[danawhitaker]

I really really wanted to like Perfect Dark, but I had a major problem with it - it literally made me ill. I played for several hours (2-3 at most, and one of those was spent just watching friends play) the day it came out, and I developed a terrible headache, I got really warm, and just started to feel very unwell. I didn't have those problems when I played GoldenEye. I haven't actually had that problem with any game since either. Curiosity has me sort of wanting to try it again to see if the same thing would happen, but I long since got rid of it and don't really want to pay money to find out that it does the same thing. I remember being very excited before it came out too, so I was disappointed when I had that reaction to it but was hesitant to try it again at all.

[jonebone]

All it takes is one look on ebay to see this is happening prices for Goldeneye are rather high like 20 dollars for a loose cart. Perfect Dark is under 10 dollars for a loose cart.
Perfect Dark took almost everything Goldeneye did good and improved upon it a lot. It's either that or people have raging hard-ons for James Bond

What do prices have to do with being a classic? Perfect Dark was available sealed by the boatload at $1 a piece as recently as 2002/2003 in Toys R Us overstock.

Even by 2009 you could still get sealed copies about $7/$8 (our own DreamTR was blowing out hundreds of copies at those prices).

And now in 2012 it's a $10 cart? That's one hell of a success story that speaks volumes about the longevity of the game...

I beat Goldeneye and Perfect Dark both all the way through on 00 Agent difficulty and unlocked all cheats for each. Goldeneye will always be my favorite but even I concede that Perfect Dark was the more refined game. Additions of bots in multiplayer, a centralized interactive hub with weapon training, guns with dual usage modes, etc. However, Goldeneye still has a more natural story and always will remain my favorite game of all time, ever.

But.... I also admit neither game has aged well. I could see how a kid growing up on X360/PS3 FPS games could find them unplayable.

[djshok]

I think the problem with Perfect Dark is how stupid the story and characters are. Silly gray aliens and little pew pew laser guns don't really compare to the time honored cool of James Bond. If they made PD without the aliens and just kept it to a tactical espionage game, I think it would've been much more memorable.

[Greg2600]

I really really wanted to like Perfect Dark, but I had a major problem with it - it literally made me ill. I played for several hours (2-3 at most, and one of those was spent just watching friends play) the day it came out, and I developed a terrible headache, I got really warm, and just started to feel very unwell. I didn't have those problems when I played GoldenEye. I haven't actually had that problem with any game since either. Curiosity has me sort of wanting to try it again to see if the same thing would happen, but I long since got rid of it and don't really want to pay money to find out that it does the same thing. I remember being very excited before it came out too, so I was disappointed when I had that reaction to it but was hesitant to try it again at all.

morning sickness?:onfire:

[danawhitaker]

morning sickness?:onfire:

Haha. No, that was a whole different ballgame, and I didn't experience that until five years later. ;)

[Trumpman]

Why would you play Perfect Dark without the expansion pak? You can't even play any of the good stuff.

And seriously, we need a Timesplitters rerelease. TS2 might be my favorite game from last generation.

[YoshiM]

I really really wanted to like Perfect Dark, but I had a major problem with it - it literally made me ill. I played for several hours (2-3 at most, and one of those was spent just watching friends play) the day it came out, and I developed a terrible headache, I got really warm, and just started to feel very unwell. I didn't have those problems when I played GoldenEye. I haven't actually had that problem with any game since either. Curiosity has me sort of wanting to try it again to see if the same thing would happen, but I long since got rid of it and don't really want to pay money to find out that it does the same thing. I remember being very excited before it came out too, so I was disappointed when I had that reaction to it but was hesitant to try it again at all.

Doom 64 gets me with the motion sickness. I want to play it and it sits in a drawer of my Ninten-Tower...mocking me.

Goldeneye hit all the right things out of the box. It was probably one of the first "movie" games that made you "feel" as if you were in the movie. When the game came out and my friends and I watched "Goldeneye", we were almost hopping up and down in our seats while pointing at the TV. "Look! I remember going through THERE in the game!" It created more of an attachment.

Then of course was the multiplayer which spawned literal hours of fun and many stories that still get told today.

"Remember when we unlocked that winter hooded soldier and Matt chose him as his character? He was freakin' unstoppable." "Oh yeah, 'Hoodsie'"

"Yeah but Dan kept mining the $#^! proximity mines! He'd even mine himself into that hallway that overlooked a room and pick us all off one by one. Try and get him and the ##$%^ mines would get us."

"Then I'd run down, get more mines and remine the spawn point."

"You were an a-hole".

"Were?"

Perfect Dark was pretty cool and like Goldeneye I loved the fact that it didn't hold your hand and you had to figure out how to achieve some of the objectives. We played multi-player for a while but it didn't have the same grip as Goldeneye. Like someone else said, the weapons just didn't seem to click for us. There was nothing like getting a Klobb in Goldeneye and cursing that it was the only gun you could find as you unload a clip attempting to unsuccessfully shoot oncoming, more well armed opponents.

[wiggyx]

All it takes is one look on ebay to see this is happening prices for Goldeneye are rather high like 20 dollars for a loose cart. Perfect Dark is under 10 dollars for a loose cart.
Perfect Dark took almost everything Goldeneye did good and improved upon it a lot. It's either that or people have raging hard-ons for James Bond

Perfect Dark was never nearly as popular as Goldeneye.

IMO, nothing about it was better enough to get me as excited as Goldeneye did, regardless of technical merits. Hell, I never even played all the way through the 1 player mode in Perfect Dark. Just lost interest part way. Joanna Dark didn't have any charisma and the level design felt heavy handed.

[A Black Falcon]

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing about GE that's anywhere near as good as anything in PD. Nothing whatsoever. The N64's my favorite console, and GE007 is probably its most over-rated game... I thought it was okay (not great, certainly, but okay) back when I first played it, but in comparison to PD, it's so seriously lacking. The graphics are worse, there are no bots in multiplayer, it's got far fewer options and less content and modes, the story is utterly atrocious and makes absolutely no sense at all (unless you've seen the film, but the game should stand on its own and not rely on somethign else to make sense)... GE has nothing going for it except for nostalgia value for the people who loved it, pretty much. In terms of actual game content, it's got nothing on PD.

I like any of the four N64 Turok games more than Goldeneye, too. Doom 64 as well. Turoks 1 and 3 and Doom 64 are particularly great games!

[Leo_A]

Doom 64 gets me with the motion sickness. I want to play it and it sits in a drawer of my Ninten-Tower...mocking me.

Don't crank up the brightness then.

You can't get motion sick when you can't see anything. :)

[Atarileaf]

It bothers me that Goldeneye is living on as a classic and yet Perfect Dark is fading into obscurity (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165148-It-bothers-me-that-Goldeneye-is-living-on-as-a-classic-and-yet-Perfect-Dark-is-fading-into-obscurity)

Not sure why it would bother you. You don't have any stake, financially or otherwise, in either game (unless you were part of Perfect Darks development team then I understand your concern)

[Greg2600]

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing about GE that's anywhere near as good as anything in PD. Nothing whatsoever. The N64's my favorite console, and GE007 is probably its most over-rated game... I thought it was okay (not great, certainly, but okay) back when I first played it, but in comparison to PD, it's so seriously lacking. The graphics are worse, there are no bots in multiplayer, it's got far fewer options and less content and modes, the story is utterly atrocious and makes absolutely no sense at all (unless you've seen the film, but the game should stand on its own and not rely on something else to make sense)... GE has nothing going for it except for nostalgia value for the people who loved it, pretty much. In terms of actual game content, it's got nothing on PD.

I like any of the four N64 Turok games more than Goldeneye, too. Doom 64 as well. Turoks 1 and 3 and Doom 64 are particularly great games!

Everything you say is mostly true, but Goldeneye was James Bond, Perfect Dark was some other story nobody really liked. We, the N64 gamers, wanted another Goldeneye, meaning Bond characters, music, missions, etc. Not sure about the rest of the people, but when it came out, I felt it was somewhat lame that they gave up on the Bond license. They did in fact, RARE did not want to do another Bond game. They went off in different directions, and with little progress, several key people literally went off and left the company. The project was finished by non-Goldeneye team leaders. Not to mention, in kind of a Connery vs. Moore 1983 Bond movie contest, TWINE was released by EA just months after Perfect Dark. Many people, me included, skipped PD and bought TWINE instead. Now, TWINE had an atrociously bad multiplayer, but story mode was excellent. PD story mode just felt kind of dull and drab. PD just felt like a knock off to me, lost the magic.

[YoshiM]

Don't crank up the brightness then.

You can't get motion sick when you can't see anything. :)

Oh, so like Doom 3. Heh.

[djshok]

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing about GE that's anywhere near as good as anything in PD. Nothing whatsoever.

The story. I find the storyline in Perfect Dark is just stupid. It starts off nice enough, a sort of cyberpunk espionage game, but then shit like this crops up:

http://loriromano.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/perfectdark21.jpg

And the game loses any cool factor it had going and becomes a farce. By the end of the game it feels like you're playing a spoof of Golden Eye.

[kedawa]

Considering how the James Bond novels/films are a farcical take on espionage novels, that's saying something.
I've never tried PD0, but I don't recall seeing anything quite that goofy in any of the reviews or trailers.

[Greg2600]

Well again, the original PD/Rare team left the company, forcing the ones who followed to kind of slap together a game. I think the original concept was something much bigger, more scifi.

[BydoEmpire]

Perfect Dark took almost everything Goldeneye did good and improved upon it a lot. It's either that or people have raging hard-ons for James BondThe reason is that Goldeneye did an awful lot well, and did it first. The Bond license really wasn't a factor for me and my friends, but GE 007 was a great game and we never really needed to move on. I ended up picking up PD later on, but I didn't have the ram expansion so I never got to play the story mode. It was just too late. GE 007 was the right game at the right time.

[jammajup]

I just think it is the fact that games with a huge multiplayer feature are more memorable and goldeneye was the best multiplayer games ever,in my opinion Perfect Dark was a better game and a better single player experience.