wow....bubsy genesis

[bigbacon]

So I have been a nintendo kid since the NES, never a SEGA person until just now.

I remember playing Bubsy a lot on the SNES. Just got a genesis version and boy what a difference in quality and not in a good way. music and sound are just so inferior to the snes version.

[Ed Oscuro]

awesome story that made my day

take 2: Sunset Riders, Lethal Enforcers, (possibly) Sparkster (totally different game though). Honestly don't know about Bubsy so it is a good thing we were told, why are you mocking my sincerity?!

take 3: Sonic looks really bad on my SNES for some reason.

[ccovell]

Mohawk & <<<< Bubsy Genesis < Bubsy SNES <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Xardion <<<<<.............<<<<< Super Mario World
Headphone Jack

The difference between Bubsy Gen and SNES is not so great when you put it in relative terms.

[Ed Oscuro]

What do you mean by Headphone Jack?

Now I'm really confused. This is getting interesting!

Mohawk is pretty cool, I'll not let some shit game take down the pride of my people. (Maybe I should game more because the only thing in that post I recognized was SMW, and I haven't even played that one.) Edit: Xardion looks neat. Doubt it's as good as Psycho-Nics Oscar or Hagane but I'll give it a shot.

[Edmond Dantes]

Am I the only person here who honestly likes Bubsy?

Seriously. The first game was good. Not Contra or Konami Tiny Toons good, but hardly the crapfest everyone makes it out to be.

(The second one, though... *shudder*)

[ccovell]

What do you mean by Headphone Jack?

Now I'm really confused. This is getting interesting!

Mohawk is pretty cool, I'll not let some shit game take down the pride of my people. (Maybe I should game more because the only thing in that post I recognized was SMW, and I haven't even played that one.) Edit: Xardion looks neat. Doubt it's as good as Psycho-Nics Oscar or Hagane but I'll give it a shot.


Okay, if I have to explain the joke(s), I guess I will.. :|

Mohawk & Headphone Jack is a legendarily bad SNES platformer by TH・Q/Black Pearl. Funny trivia is that one of the EGM staffers, Martin Alessi, contributed to the game, as EGM's offices were in the same building as the developers'. Anyway, it attempts to be a mode-7 showcase, but it's shit anyway.

Xardion is an uninspiring run-of-the-mill (crap-ish) robot platformer, but it's still 21 notches above Bubsy.

[IHatedSega]

I think if a game is on both the SNES and GENESIS you should go for the SNES version. The sound alone is the reason. I can play Street Fighter 2 with the L and R buttons on the front of the controller, which some people hate, and I can throw a hadouken with its d pad like I can on the Gen controller.

[Ed Oscuro]

Okay, if I have to explain the joke(s), I guess I will.. :|

Mohawk & Headphone Jack is a legendarily bad SNES platformer by TH・Q/Black Pearl. Funny trivia is that one of the EGM staffers, Martin Alessi, contributed to the game, as EGM's offices were in the same building as the developers'. Anyway, it attempts to be a mode-7 showcase, but it's shit anyway.

Xardion is an uninspiring run-of-the-mill (crap-ish) robot platformer, but it's still 21 notches above Bubsy.
Ah, you had "headphone jack" on another line so I wasn't sure if it was all supposed to be one thing.

Xardion...yeah, I tried it out a bit...it's no Super Turrican, certainly no Run Saber. (And Run Saber could've been considerably better with some appropriate difficulty...)

[Edmond Dantes]

I think if a game is on both the SNES and GENESIS you should go for the SNES version. The sound alone is the reason. I can play Street Fighter 2 with the L and R buttons on the front of the controller, which some people hate, and I can throw a hadouken with its d pad like I can on the Gen controller.

People must have more sensitive ears than I do. Bubsy only sounds slightly different to me, and SFII... well okay, its been years since I've played the SNES versions, but it doesn't sound noticably worse than the Saturn or PS2 versions to me.

There were, IMO, a few games that sounded better on Genesis. Aero the Acrobat for one (though this mainly because some levels had different music between versions, and I felt the Genesis was more appropriate).

[IHatedSega]

Dhalsims stage is completely unlistenable. The graphics are debatable as to which is better, the Genesis is lighter and has less tone though.

[Rob2600]

Dhalsims stage

Genesis/SNES comparison:


http://youtu.be/N7AgqbibNcE

[kedawa]

Both sound awful compared to CPS1.
I wouldn't make a blanket recommendation to buy the SNES version of a game instead of the Genesis version, because in many cases, the games are very different. Just look at Aladdin or Fatal Fury.

[Gameguy]

I think if a game is on both the SNES and GENESIS you should go for the SNES version. The sound alone is the reason.
It depends on the game. Try playing Mickey Mania on either system, the SNES version is the worst version of the game on any console. Even the sound is worse on the SNES than Genesis with that game. Other games seem to control better on the Genesis than the SNES, if the sound is better but it plays worse I'd rather have the better playing version.

[InsaneDavid]

What do you mean by Headphone Jack?

Now I'm really confused. This is getting interesting!

That's a great game man, the sequel to DJ Boy III: Wolfman Jack Attack, what are you talking about?

[Greg2600]

Isn't Bubsy generally avoided for both systems?

[IHatedSega]

Both sound awful compared to CPS1.
I wouldn't make a blanket recommendation to buy the SNES version of a game instead of the Genesis version, because in many cases, the games are very different. Just look at Aladdin or Fatal Fury.

I thought the Genesis version of FF was terrible, and the SNES version of Aladdin is a different game than the Genesis one so you cant compare them really.

I havent played Mickey Mania. And I played more PS1 than SNES or Genesis, so the whole buttons on the front of a controller isnt a weird thing to me. The 6 button controller is very good though, but Im okay with the strong attacks being away from the weaker ones on the pad.

[Az]

I thought the Genesis version of FF was terrible

Terrible in comparison to the SNES port?

Even as a nostalgic SNK fanboy I can't force myself to get any enjoyment out of the SNES version. Horribly unresponsive controls, only 3 characters for 1p to select from, and loading times?!?

[kedawa]

You forgot the part where they removed an entire gameplay mechanic; the SNES version of Fatal Fury doesn't even have plane switching.

[kedawa]

The 6 button controller is very good though, but Im okay with the strong attacks being away from the weaker ones on the pad.

The default button config is for noobs.

Y
L
X
B
R
A

It's the only way to play.

[IHatedSega]

I didnt like the way the characters looked when theyd go to the background. So, that was kind of an improvement. Even Garou Mark of The Wolves didnt do that. That game kicks ass. FF Special is good though and has the different plains.

Ok, edit, Im playing both and yeah......stay away from FF, just go with FF Special.

[SparTonberry]

Xardion is an uninspiring run-of-the-mill (crap-ish) robot platformer, but it's still 21 notches above Bubsy.

I remember reading in Nintendo Power Asmik wanted to turn it into a franchise.
And yet I think it turned out to be the last game they released in North America.

(what's more awesome about Xardion is that the Japanese version will try to boot directly into a save game if it exists. Forgot all that BS they put into game intros like publisher logos and um... title screens. :D )

[Ed Oscuro]

It depends on the game. Try playing Mickey Mania on either system, the SNES version is the worst version of the game on any console. Even the sound is worse on the SNES than Genesis with that game. Other games seem to control better on the Genesis than the SNES, if the sound is better but it plays worse I'd rather have the better playing version.
I think the SNES version is the one I've got...and even if it's the worst version, it's still a good game!

[LaughingMAN.S9]

Am I the only person here who honestly likes Bubsy?

Seriously. The first game was good. Not Contra or Konami Tiny Toons good, but hardly the crapfest everyone makes it out to be.

(The second one, though... *shudder*)


i actually liked bubsy for genesis, i have fond memories of gliding halfway across the screen from the carnival/roller coaster level

[Gamevet]

Both sound awful compared to CPS1.


When it comes to realistic sounding musical instruments, the SNES wins, hands down. The arcade and Genesis versions sound very electronic and flat, but the bass sounds good.


Some of the SNES examples:

Blanka Stage - Decent sounding wind flute.
Vega stage - Decent sounding brass section. It represents the spanish culture well.
Guile stage - Decent sounding trumpets and a snappy bass.
Ken Stage - Decent sounding trumpets and a good wind section.
Chun Li - Nice sounding wood flutes and wood xylophone
Dalsim - Good wind section and a decent sounding Balbu Tarang.
Introdutory/defeat screens - solid sounding trumpets.

You'll notice that the Street Fighter Alpha series has hardware that is capable of reproducing real instrument sounds, and its featured in those games.

[Masamune]

For anyone that's interested, here's a written review of Xardion (http://playingwithsuperpower.com/xardion-review/)

[kedawa]

When it comes to realistic sounding musical instruments, the SNES wins, hands down. The arcade and Genesis versions sound very electronic and flat, but the bass sounds good.


Some of the SNES examples:

Blanka Stage - Decent sounding wind flute.
Vega stage - Decent sounding brass section. It represents the spanish culture well.
Guile stage - Decent sounding trumpets and a snappy bass.
Ken Stage - Decent sounding trumpets and a good wind section.
Chun Li - Nice sounding wood flutes and wood xylophone
Dalsim - Good wind section and a decent sounding Balbu Tarang.
Introdutory/defeat screens - solid sounding trumpets.

You'll notice that the Street Fighter Alpha series has hardware that is capable of reproducing real instrument sounds, and its featured in those games.

That's fine if the music is actually intended to sound that way. The problem with a lot of SNES ports is that simple sounds often get replaced with farting trumpets and wah-wah sounds that sound out of place in the composition.
It's also worth noting that the 16-bit ports of SF games are missing the high damage background music, and just use a change of tempo instead.

[Hawksmoor]

There's one thing Bubsy definitely has going for it; it's not Zool 2.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPnILPMOmc

[Kitsune Sniper]

Terrible in comparison to the SNES port?

Even as a nostalgic SNK fanboy I can't force myself to get any enjoyment out of the SNES version. Horribly unresponsive controls, only 3 characters for 1p to select from, and loading times?!?

Some SNK fanboy you are, then.

Fatal Fury only had three characters in the arcade... and it had horrible controls there too. :P At least you could play as the CPU characters in VS. mode in the SNES one (I never played the Genesis one.)

[Gamevet]

That's fine if the music is actually intended to sound that way. The problem with a lot of SNES ports is that simple sounds often get replaced with farting trumpets and wah-wah sounds that sound out of place in the composition.
It's also worth noting that the 16-bit ports of SF games are missing the high damage background music, and just use a change of tempo instead.

In the case of Street Fighter II, the CPS1 soundtrack is trying to replicate real instruments, but the hardware isn't capable of doing it. You can listen to Guile's stage and the electonic hum of what is supposed to be a trumpet. What really sounds out of place for me, is the song that they used in Vega's stage. The trumpet sounds like it should for a mariachi band, but the violin section in the background doesn't fit the musical instruments of that culture.


The farting trumpets, as you say, is what real trumpets sounds like when you play it at its lowest range. Vega's stage has a lot of staccatto, with the notes being near the lowest range of a trumpet.


Here's a real trumpet perfoming staccatto notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTVeC1bH3lw

[Edmond Dantes]

You guys dissin' Fatal Fury 1... don't know what yer talkin' about. It's teh awesome.

I say that with no hint of nostalgia--I first played it via the Battle Archives on PS2.

And I still have the Pao Pao Cafe music stuck in my head.

[Kitsune Sniper]

You guys dissin' Fatal Fury 1... don't know what yer talkin' about. It's teh awesome.

I say that with no hint of nostalgia--I first played it via the Battle Archives on PS2.

And I still have the Pao Pao Cafe music stuck in my head.

I'm not dissing it. I had fun with the game back in '92 and again in Battle Archives. But man the SNES version is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

[Edmond Dantes]

So I've heard. Fatal Fury without line-switching... that would be like Mortal Kombat without fatalities. No, it would actually be worse.

Then again, I've heard that all home ports of Neo-Geo games were pretty terrible save for the PC-Engine ones (Fatal Fury 2 I can confirm first-hand made the transition well. Just with long-ass loading times)

[kedawa]

The Genesis version isn't the greatest port either, but it's fun and arguably plays better than the NeoGeo original. Two of the bosses didn't make the cut, but the ones that did make it have expanded movesets and can be used in VS mode.
I like the audio as well, even if some of the voices sound ridiculous (Terry's "warm beef" and Geese's "it's splurgin'!" come to mind.)

[Gamevet]

So I've heard. Fatal Fury without line-switching... that would be like Mortal Kombat without fatalities. No, it would actually be worse.

Then again, I've heard that all home ports of Neo-Geo games were pretty terrible save for the PC-Engine ones (Fatal Fury 2 I can confirm first-hand made the transition well. Just with long-ass loading times)

What's wrong with Mark of the Wolves for the Dreamcast?

Nevermind, that was a stupid question. I can't delete this post.

[Edmond Dantes]

Allow me to facepalm... I was thinking specifically of 16-Bit Neo-Geo ports and completely forgot that Neo-Geo was still alive in the Dreamcast era.

KOF 99 Evolution is also quite good.

[Gamevet]

Allow me to facepalm... I was thinking specifically of 16-Bit Neo-Geo ports and completely forgot that Neo-Geo was still alive in the Dreamcast era.

KOF 99 Evolution is also quite good.

Well, after I had posted that, I realized that the discussion was about the 16-bit ports. :D

[FrankSerpico]

I picked up Bubsy for the Genesis in a lot awhile ago, mostly because it came with Flashback and Micro Machines. Still haven't played it at all, all I've ever heard is it's mediocre to awful.

[Ed Oscuro]

Xardion is mediocre to awful...there are some flashes of brilliance and some neat ideas but most of them are wasted on the exposition, instead of the actual game. Boo :(

[Az]

Some SNK fanboy you are, then.

Fatal Fury only had three characters in the arcade... and it had horrible controls there too. :P At least you could play as the CPU characters in VS. mode in the SNES one (I never played the Genesis one.)

I don't have a problem with only having 3 characters in the normal mode, being this was the way the game was originally designed. The Japanese version is a lot nicer better when it comes to controls than it's English counterpart.

You've also misunderstood me; the SNES port only allows 2P to use the bosses. Possibly the most retarded design decision I've ever seen in a Takara port.

[Ed Oscuro]

Speaking of ridiculous, I got up to a point in Xardion where I jumped down off a building...level end is right past me...and I can't exit the area! Can't jump back either. Argh! Don't see a way to get back to the map (yeah, I'm in the item collection phase) and don't see a way to save progress, or even get killed so I can restart the area. Lol! Might have to bust out Cheat Engine and alter my position...this is pretty bad.

Edit: Strange! Resetting the emulator and choosing "continue" lets you continue. This game continues to freak me out for the wrong reasons.

Edit #2: Aaand done. Trippy.

[j_factor]

Isn't Bubsy generally avoided for both systems?

It certainly should be.

From what little I can tolerate playing, the game looks pretty much the same on either system. The music is a bit more annoying on the Genesis version, but pretty bad either way. And Bubsy's lame-ass quips do sound clearer on SNES.

So far in this thread, we've established that SNES had the better version of Bubsy, while Genesis had the better version of Mickey Mania. Which would you rather have?

Does SNES have the superior port of Shaq-Fu too?

[Gameguy]

I think the SNES version is the one I've got...and even if it's the worst version, it's still a good game!
The game might still be ok on the SNES but it's still a bad port. It's not just the music that's worse, it has loading times, is missing a level, has worse hit detection, worse graphics, etc.

It took me awhile to find a review I remembered describing the differences, I'm pretty sure the video was made by HappehLemons from this forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-i7LAHL8gY

[Ed Oscuro]

So far in this thread, we've established that SNES had the better version of Bubsy, while Genesis had the better version of Mickey Mania. Which would you rather have?
Aladdin on Genesis (although I've not played Capcom's SNES version).

Edit:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/Xardion.html
:above me:

[IHatedSega]

Does SNES have the superior port of Shaq-Fu too?

Ive heard its better than the Genesis. I played it out of curiosity from a thread on here. Boy you guys influence me to play some shitty games. XD I refuse to play it again, let alone the Genesis version.



Play Fatal Fury Special on SNES though, its a lot better.

[kedawa]

FFS is bit sluggish compared to FF2. It's not enough to ruin the game, but it is noticeable.

[SparTonberry]

Don't see a way to get back to the map (yeah, I'm in the item collection phase) and don't see a way to save progress,

If I remember, one of the powerups on the menu screen is supposed to be a save item.

[Ed Oscuro]

If I remember, one of the powerups on the menu screen is supposed to be a save item.
That's right. I tried restarting the game without selecting the save item, and it didn't save the progress I'd made as a test (picked up some time bombs, which only seem to be useful in one specific spot).

The odd thing is that the number of save items in inventory never went down. I ended up with five.

I save-state abused the final boss (not too much, though, which is kinda surprising) but pretty much every other boss can be defeated without any problem if you've got a character that has an invulnerability powerup (Jaguar and MageDude A-, I've already forgotten their real names).

Play Fatal Fury Special on Neo Geo, 'cuz you don't wanna be a weenie.
;)