A whole new world of VGA idiocy

[recorderdude]

No, it's not a copy of aladdin.

Behold, the most pointless VGA Grade of all time.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-Arkham-City-VGA-Graded-85-Gold-Level-Xbox-360-2011-Brand-New-Sealed-/160949474518?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item25795614d6&_uhb=1

Not only is this a current generation game, THIS IS A CURRENT GENERATION GAME THAT CAN STILL BE BOUGHT NEW FOR ABOUT 20 BUCKS, right here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-Arkham-City-Xbox-360-2011-/350709219180?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item51a7e5ff6c&_uhb=1
Not even the collector's edition, just a normal copy.

Bravo, VGA. Bravo. Though I suppose it's also partially the seller's fault for listing it for that much too.

In all seriousness, though, how far is all this VGA crap going to go before everyone and their uncle is sitting on a bunch of games that are both unplayable and will never sell?

EDIT: Derp, just realized this is most definitely in the wrong section. Sorry about that ;^^. If someone wants to move this to modern or whats it worth it'd be perfectly allright with me.

[Griking]

No, it's not a copy of aladdin.

Behold, the most pointless VGA Grade of all time.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-Arkham-City-VGA-Graded-85-Gold-Level-Xbox-360-2011-Brand-New-Sealed-/160949474518?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item25795614d6&_uhb=1

Not only is this a current generation game, THIS IS A CURRENT GENERATION GAME THAT CAN STILL BE BOUGHT NEW FOR ABOUT 20 BUCKS, right here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-Arkham-City-Xbox-360-2011-/350709219180?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item51a7e5ff6c&_uhb=1
Not even the collector's edition, just a normal copy.

Bravo, VGA. Bravo. Though I suppose it's also partially the seller's fault for listing it for that much too.

In all seriousness, though, how far is all this VGA crap going to go before everyone and their uncle is sitting on a bunch of games that are both unplayable and will never sell?

EDIT: Derp, just realized this is most definitely in the wrong section. Sorry about that ;^^. If someone wants to move this to modern or whats it worth it'd be perfectly allright with me.


Don't blame VGA, they'll grade whatever games people send to them. Blame the person who sent them a current gen game that's still available brand new at retail.

[8-bitNesMan]

The sheer greed that has wholly consumed my all time favorite hobby makes me sick to my stomach...

[Greg2600]

Consumed? It's a small percentage of dick heads.

[Kitsune Sniper]

And even a brand new game gets an 85.

If that doesn't convince people VGA is a scam, nothing will.

[recorderdude]

Fuck it, I feel like Dr. Seuss tonight. Here's a poem.

Gamers, Collectors from near, far and wide
Come in, have a seat, take a look inside
If you'll simply deposit a nominal fee
We'll grade all your games and encase them for free!

Stuck in a plastic unbreakable tomb
Perfect for display in a manchild's room
Not there to be played but simply admired
As the ol' saying goes...
"Eh, 85. I'm tired."

And for those wise sirs with industrial visions
Investing in grading's the wisest decision!
Your values will triple and buyers will flock
To your copy of Wii Sports, all locked in a box

So thank you, wise gamers, for your money once more
Soon pride, praise and profit in your life shall soar!
For who better to determine value today
Than the greatest of conmen.

Yours Truly,
VGA.

[Tupin]

And even a brand new game gets an 85.

If that doesn't convince people VGA is a scam, nothing will.
Has there ever been a game to get a 100?

[jb143]

If I send a VGA slabbed game in to get double slabbed, can I sell it for even more?

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

If a brand new copy gets an 85, how could you ever get a 100? Literally right off the shrink-wrap machine at the factory? That seems excessive.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Has there ever been a game to get a 100?

I doubt it. Exposure to air probably drops 10 points immediately.

[The 1 2 P]

While this does seem ridiculous(unless you are saving them for future sales) it's not like they are going to sell at those prices. I pity the fool that goes and buys the regular version of Batman: AC for $100+ graded when he can get it at his local Best Buy for a quarter of that price.

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

I can kinda see why some guys would want to slab a modern game, though. When are you ever going to have a better opportunity?

[recorderdude]

I can understand that, yeah. The thing is, they're trying to sell it, and they're wasting time and money on listing fees. If they had like a fuckload of slabbed batmans 20+ years from now and THEN tried to sell them then I'd understand it.

And, of course, there's going to be a few moderns that are rare already some people might slab, like metroid prime trilogy.

[Nesmaster]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Mario-3D-Land-VGA-U100-Nintendo-3DS-NES-SNES-N64-GC-GB-Wii-NEW-SEALED-/130833202974

http://www.sealedgameheaven.com/index.php?/topic/5111-vga-100-showcase/

[A.C. Sativa]

The sheer greed that has wholly consumed my all time favorite hobby makes me sick to my stomach...

Agreed.

[Rickstilwell1]

Hmm, maybe I should get my sealed copy of Tails Adventure for Game Gear slabbed... nah, that plastic game box protector is good enough. No need to spend the money to trap the thing. It would make me feel like I'm Dr. Robotnik trapping an animal inside a robot.

[bb_hood]

And even a brand new game gets an 85.

If that doesn't convince people VGA is a scam, nothing will.

The real scam is that if you send these grading places more stuff rather than just a few items, they will give your items higher grades then they probably deserve. Ive never had anything graded myself but Ive heard from more than one person who have had stuff graded that this is true. Ive seen MTG cards PSA graded near mint or mint with visible signs of wear.

[JSoup]

Consumed? It's a small percentage of dick heads.

The way people go on about that small percentage, you'd think those 100 or so people were ruining game collecting forever. I guess I can see how people might think that, but do we actually have an statistics or anything on any effects, actual or implied, that this VGA crap has had on the market? I see more evidence of brute force collecting effecting prices than VGA.

[wiggyx]

If I send a VGA slabbed game in to get double slabbed, can I sell it for even more?


This deserves a Photoshop. BRB.

[IHatedSega]

I know there are appraisers for antiques, but these are video games. The market on these is going to tank really soon, bubbles always burst.

It just figures I opened the copy of GTA SA my girl sent me, and now I tried and found out PCSX2 works great on my XP. :S I bet it would have been graded 85 or higher. hfdljfsfhsfhdhfhf[jef

[wiggyx]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/psx7s0ml_zps7e4da384.jpg

Also, there was a guy selling VGA'd 3DS games a while back for around 500-600 bucks. Derp.

And NOTHING beats the coffin'd Gold NWC cart that is actually back on eBay again.



I can kinda see why some guys would want to slab a modern game, though. When are you ever going to have a better opportunity?

If you think it's gonna be worth something, then throw it in an air tight bin for ten years. Then, if it actually does become valuable, send it to the VGA. No sense in wasting 50+ bucks if it ends up being worth absolutely nothing.

It's an absolute waste of money to have a modern game slabbed.

[recorderdude]

That is beautiful.

And there IS that guy with a 100 VGA Super Mario 3D Land that was linked a few posts back for $9999 too.

[wiggyx]

I hate to sound like a dick, but sometimes I really wish the bubble would burst and these people sitting on dozens upon dozens of VGA graded games that they paid way too much for would end up with heaps of slabbed worthlessness.

[AceAerosmith]

I think it's ridiculous to spend money getting ANY game graded. But, I really feel sorry for the dumb fuckers who think they're worth more boxed up with the little grading sticker on it.

A 100-graded copy of a piece of shit is still a piece of shit.

[Tanooki]

I hate to sound like a dick, but sometimes I really wish the bubble would burst and these people sitting on dozens upon dozens of VGA graded games that they paid way too much for would end up with heaps of slabbed worthlessness.

That's not a dick comment, that's just the voice of sanity. Sure it's a minority who slab games, but if you step outside our little box into the wider range of people who just get into games for selling purposes or those new to collecting that don't research first, these slab games do have an impact. If someone sees a game for $1000 a graded box, and then you have a sealed of the same, complete, cart+paper+sleeve, and a cart all side by side how many here would honestly think someone who wanted to make a buck or really had no clue wouldn't be in some way affected by this? You take a game sealed worth like $100 and get it slabbed, now it's supposedly worth $1000. That slabbed game sells and then the next sealed guy will try and ask even more or grade and try and beat that. In that moment of greed the next dude with the same game but less will think, fuck that noise I got the game+papers here why am I asking $20 when I can get $50? Sure it may not sell in a day or two, but someone new will come along or someone thinking 'this shit is just going to keep going up in price' and they'll pay.

The more these slabbed shitheels keep making up these prices higher and higher, as long as some chump is out there to buy them it will help inch up the other levels of completeness or what not for the same title a bit too. Sure I can't really go all scientific and prove it, but I've hung around enough places long enough like ebay, nintendoage, and others watching costs go up on stuff to see it happens. It's just like the stunts that happen where a heap of copies of a game are all snapped up online, then put back up at a higher price to dry and prospect out some extra cash and sometimes the game stays high and won't go back down like Run Saber/SNES, or others drop back down where they were like Guardian Legend/NES. To think slabbed games are immune to fucking with the sealed and opened up copies is just ignorant or denial.

[Rob2600]

A fool and his money are soon parted.

http://www.tiphero.com/img/tip_pages/proverbs_fool_money.jpg

[jonebone]

I'm interested in slabbed games of the current generation, but only ones that I played and "wow"ed me. And only 90+ and higher usually. 85+ is a horrible grade on current generation. Anyone with a VGA eye could find a 90 or better copy in a retail store with a bit of patience.

At the 95 level you're really talking MINT though. As in, you pick it off the shelf and if the cashier handles it too rough, it's going to be 90 to 90+. I've been collecting 5 years now and I'm at the point where I want Mint stuff. It's the natural evolution of some collectors.

And for all of the "gamers", yes, I own a playable CIB of every single game that I own sealed. I just get sealed as a bonus for my favorites.

[Daltone]

I have never heard of of the VGA before. Let me get his right...

I send some random company a game, who give it a vague rating, seal it in a tomb of carbonite and then send it back to me? I can then never remove the game from the carbonite box of doom because it will lower the rating?

Someone needs to photoshop Han Solo in here somewhere.

[IHatedSega]

I have never heard of of the VGA before. Let me get his right...

I send some random company a game, who give it a vague rating, seal it in a tomb of carbonite and then send it back to me? I can then never remove the game from the carbonite box of doom because it will lower the rating?

Someone needs to photoshop Han Solo in here somewhere.

Yes, exactly. And if theyre really crafty I bet some of them opened it, and took the disk and then resealed plastic over it. Oh, how do I know this? Because how are you going to find out they they didnt do that?

[Daltone]

Yes, exactly. And if theyre really crafty I bet some of them opened it, and took the disk and then resealed plastic over it. Oh, how do I know this? Because how are you going to find out they they didnt do that?

Have you seen their new Schrödinger 100 range?

Your game is placed inside a sealed black box (to protect it from sunlight). Each hour there is a 50% chance that an atom that makes up your game will decay, lowering it's value. However, there is a 50% chance that your game will retain its 100 rating. If you open the box your rating drops to zero automatically. In fact, if you open the box the resulting inrush of air will be so damaging that the game will probably spontaneously cease to exist, leaving you with an empty box.

Yours for just £250.

[wiggyx]

I buried 200 copies of Star Fox 2 under my driveway when wed had it re-poured. They'll last forever and are worth billions right now. I may even have the VGA come over and grade my driveway.

[JSoup]

Yes, exactly. And if theyre really crafty I bet some of them opened it, and took the disk and then resealed plastic over it. Oh, how do I know this? Because how are you going to find out they they didnt do that?

Echo scan the case?

[Sundowner]

Wiggy, that was a hilarious photoshop picture!

I'm against the VGA grading stuff. How would they know versus anyone else? What makes them official? I think that the people that buy this overpriced stuff are just to blame. Do people really buy this stuff? :-/

Also, I think that someone should take a shit into saran wrap and mail it to them. That would be fuuunny ROFL

[Polygon]

I hate to sound like a dick, but sometimes I really wish the bubble would burst and these people sitting on dozens upon dozens of VGA graded games that they paid way too much for would end up with heaps of slabbed worthlessness.

Couldn't agree more.

[Guyra]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/psx7s0ml_zps7e4da384.jpg

I think I just died! ROFL

[IHatedSega]

Echo scan the case?

How much would that cost?

Maybe they should have done the same to Schrödinger's cat till they could prove after awhile if it was finally dead?

[Gameguy]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/psx7s0ml_zps7e4da384.jpg
The grades should have been different values, for accurate consistency of the VGA.



Maybe they should have done the same to Schrödinger's cat till they could prove after awhile if it was finally dead?
Just leave the cat in the box without food or water for a month and you'll know it's dead.

[jonebone]

Do people really believe grades are given out at random? It's not like an eBay listing where you buy a "Mint" PS1 game and it arrives scratched to hell. I agree with a VGA grade about 80% of the time, and the other 19%, I'm usually within a + or so. Only about 1% of grades do I see and just disagree with entirely, but grading is subjective and there will always be a human element to it.

[Bojay1997]

I just really can't see the point of having current gen games graded at all. While I don't support VGA, I can at least understand why someone interested in buying or selling an older, very expensive sealed game would want some kind of third party assurance that the condition of the item they are buying or selling is at a certain level. Similarly, I can understand the desire to have some assurance that something isn't a reseal. I just don't understand spending money to have something graded that was printed in millions of copies and which will be easy to find sealed for many, many years to come. It's like these few collectors doing this have resigned themselves to the fact that sealed NES games are super expensive now and they still want to collect prestige items, so they see this as a good substitute. To me it just seems ridiculous and is definitely not something that will maintain or grow in value over time.

[wiggyx]

The grades should have been different values, for accurate consistency of the VGA.



Just leave the cat in the box without food or water for a month and you'll know it's dead.

I was so gonna give the outer box a lower grade, but I didn't have the time to spend looking for a a silver grade image that would work. Maytbe later tonight if I can't sleep :P

[XYXZYZ]

I propose that whenever someone puts a VGA game on ebay, we all band together and flood his inbox with lowballs.

[jb143]

Do people really believe grades are given out at random?.

Not random, just extremely subjective and unregulated. I'm surprised 20 other grading "companies" haven't sprung up already.

[wiggyx]

I propose that whenever someone puts a VGA game on ebay, we all band together and flood his inbox with lowballs.

I did this to a guy with Ocarina for the 3DS. He was asking like $500, so I kept offering him 39.99. Needless to say, it never sold (at least not at auction). He kept trying to tell me how much it cost to have it slabbed and that "knowing" it's condition instead of having to guess was what made it worth so much.

Yeah, except that I can just go to fucking Target and buy a brand new copy of my own for 39.99. Derpity derp derpa derp.

[treismac]

I propose that whenever someone puts a VGA game on ebay, we all band together and flood his inbox with lowballs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8FnT5Rnpg

[JSoup]

Not random, just extremely subjective and unregulated. I'm surprised 20 other grading "companies" haven't sprung up already.

Maybe take Digital Press into a whole new direction! Cheap and easy no bullshit ratings.

[recorderdude]

> New sealed copy of rudolph the red nosed reindeer for wii sent in

DigitalPressGrading: 0 - why the fuck did you even buy this

now THAT's a rating!

[Tanooki]

Well said wiggy. It's a brand new game, not something old and easily had at the store. I don't need to know for a 35 dollar fee or so my game is new and in new shape, and I really don't need that self assurance for 500 from a clown like that.



Rudolph only gets a 0 grade? Generous.

[Griking]

I have never heard of of the VGA before. Let me get his right...

I send some random company a game, who give it a vague rating, seal it in a tomb of carbonite and then send it back to me? I can then never remove the game from the carbonite box of doom because it will lower the rating?

Someone needs to photoshop Han Solo in here somewhere.


Pretty much except you missed the part where people pay obscene prices for them at this point for some reason.

Again, I don't blame the service, I blame the buyers.

[8-bitNesMan]

Here's the aforementioned 3DS Ocarina of Time that at the time of this posting is at $545.00 with 29 bids and a little under 24 hours to go:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Legend-of-Zelda-Ocarina-of-Time-3D-VGA-U100-Nintendo-3DS-NES-SNES-N64-GC-GB-NEW-/130846048594?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item1e77084152#ht_1649wt_1397

Madness folks. Sheer madness....

[8-bitNesMan]

Why does the auction page even have actual product reviews?! Does the idiot selling it think the idiot that buys it will ever actually play the game??

[8-bitNesMan]

What the product review should say on this auction: "Ocarina for the 3DS forever sealed in a plastic tomb! The box art is INCREDIBLE!"

[wiggyx]

Here's the aforementioned 3DS Ocarina of Time that at the time of this posting is at $545.00 with 29 bids and a little under 24 hours to go:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Legend-of-Zelda-Ocarina-of-Time-3D-VGA-U100-Nintendo-3DS-NES-SNES-N64-GC-GB-NEW-/130846048594?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item1e77084152#ht_1649wt_1397

Madness folks. Sheer madness....

That's not the one I was referring to.

I'm guessing it's getting those bids because of the grade?

God, this is such horse shit.

[recorderdude]

You know what's worse?

THERE'S A RESERVE ON IT.

And it still hasn't been met.

If I saw my game actually selling for that kind of money, I'd knock it off immediately and let the auction end at whatever.

but in all seriousness, am I the only one to think it's a collaborative trolling effort to waste the seller's time?

[importaku]

Never understood this side of vidogaming at all. VGA is the biggest scam going, i'd love to see their qualifications to be classed as an authority, the grading is also incorrect as they are only grading the outer packaging & consideing that a game actually includes the media inside & the manual how can they know that the game is a certain grade just from the outside. Just because it's new & sealed doesn't make the contents inside perfect.

I have bought games brand new & sealed that when i opened them the manual had tiny creases or maybe a bit of leftover paper still on the page where the cutting machine wasnt lined up properly. Plus the manuals rub about inside the boxes, with enough movement the print will start to wear on the cover.

I do hope for a economic collapse, greed is everywhere. Let that bubble pop hehe

[Daltone]

Again, I don't blame the service, I blame the buyers.


Never understood this side of vidogaming at all. VGA is the biggest scam going.


I agree with both of the above points. You know what though? I totally admire the folks that set this up in a strange way. It must be like printing money. How long to look at each game? 5 mins top? How long to seal it in the box of doom? And who is going to come back and say "you're wrong" - because you have set yourself up as the primary authority.

Then you set up a few ebay accounts on the side and begin to sell your own "90" games for huge sums of money. You have complete control over the market, so you can rate outside submissions down a bit to increase the sale value of your own games.

The whole thing is totally batshit insane, but it wouldn't be possible if people weren't so bloody strange.

[Bojay1997]

Never understood this side of vidogaming at all. VGA is the biggest scam going, i'd love to see their qualifications to be classed as an authority, the grading is also incorrect as they are only grading the outer packaging & consideing that a game actually includes the media inside & the manual how can they know that the game is a certain grade just from the outside. Just because it's new & sealed doesn't make the contents inside perfect.

I have bought games brand new & sealed that when i opened them the manual had tiny creases or maybe a bit of leftover paper still on the page where the cutting machine wasnt lined up properly. Plus the manuals rub about inside the boxes, with enough movement the print will start to wear on the cover.

I do hope for a economic collapse, greed is everywhere. Let that bubble pop hehe

That is a point I raised when VGA was coming onto the scene a few years back. Unlike action figures or coins or stamps or comics, the grade VGA is giving really only covers the box and wrap. What in my mind are the more critical elements (the game, the sticker if it's cart based, the manual, inner packaging and other inserts) aren't evaluated at all. Like yourself, I have opened many sealed game over the years and almost without exception, something inside is imperfect regardless of how nice the outside package looks. Moreover, just because VGA sticks a game into that acrylic case doesn't mean the quality of the game will stay that way forever. Light, temperature, air quality and many other factors can damage shrinkwrap, cardboard and plastic over time. Similarly, mailing a game in that case can lead to rubbing and other damage to interior contents. As such, I just don't think VGA has much value from the general collectors perspective and is better reserved for that tiny sliver of collectors who are more concerned about bragging rights in their tiny little community.

[8-bitNesMan]

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Legend-of-Zelda-Ocarina-of-Time-3D-VGA-U100-Nintendo-3DS-NES-SNES-N64-GC-GB-NEW-/130846048594?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item1e77084152#ht_1649wt_1397&clk_rvr_id=449732397245

So it ended at $1,725.00. I so hope that this was not legit...

[recorderdude]

Don't worry, the reserve wasn't met :D

Stupid fucker didn't sell it.

[wiggyx]

Waits for someone to start forging VGA labels and cases...

[bigbacon]

time to start a competing company to grade games...

[Kitsune Sniper]

Don't worry, the reserve wasn't met :D

Stupid fucker didn't sell it.

OR, he can sell it under the table so eBay doesn't get a cut.

[wiggyx]

He could, but you have to be a moron I send someone that kid of money without any of the security that an eBay transaction offers.

Plus, eBay already took a cut. Reserve auction.

[The 1 2 P]

I also wish I had come up with the idea of the VGA. All I'd need to do is hire a bunch of workers and watch the money roll in. Maybe I should start a book/dvd/cd grading service.

[JSoup]

He could, but you have to be a moron I send someone that kid of money without any of the security that an eBay transaction offers.

If someone is willing to spend that kind of money on a currently on the shelve game, the moron line has already been crossed.

[wiggyx]

Touché :)

[Greg2600]

I also wish I had come up with the idea of the VGA. All I'd need to do is hire a bunch of workers and watch the money roll in. Maybe I should start a book/dvd/cd grading service.

I knew of this crap 15 years ago, having seen it in the sports card/memorabilia circuit. I absolutely hated it, and it attributed to an overall loss of business and interest in that hobby.

[Graham Mitchell]

I looked at VGA graded games on eBay just for laughs and saw that someone slabbed a panic restaurant and wants $9999 for it. Regardless of how batshit insane this is, it kind of makes me sad when people take a rare (and good) game like that out of commission so no one else can enjoy it. It's the epitome of selfishness and greed.

Is it possible to free the games from those cases with a saw or something? If they were affordable I'd get some just to liberate them,

[JSoup]

You know, it just occurred to me, I wonder how many of those VGA games are actually VGA. Cases like those aren't particularly hard to obtain, labels can be faked.....

[kedawa]

Would it even matter?
It's a bit of a sham to start with.

[JSoup]

Would it even matter?
It's a bit of a sham to start with.

I guess it doesn't really matter in the long run. My thought was there is a difference between lying to a buyer about how your magic box makes the game more expensive and lying to the seller about the magic box and.....wait, this doesn't matter because it's all bullshit, isn't it?

You just blew my mind, kedawa.

[kupomogli]

VGA grading is a well devised pyramid scheme. Just think about it. They're selling a useless product which people think will make their games more valuable, meaning the possibility of gaining money, which some people attempt to pawn this garbage off to others. Other morons see VGA grading on sale at Ebay and some buy into the whole idea of it and that's how the people who do the VGA grading get more people to give them more money. Some people not at the top make money off pyramid schemes, but the only people who really make money off them are those at the top, and that's the VGA graders.

[JSoup]

How much would that cost?

In theory, anywhere from nothing to fairly cheap, depending on how much access to the needed technology you have. You can build dime store ultrasound scanners, but they wouldn't tell you much, other than if there was something in the case or not. Which is the problem, really. If someone was really trying to use these VGA things as a way to get paid for stealing game disks, they'd probably have the foresight to stick a random disk in the box in case some wiseass tries to shake the box around or something.

[WelcomeToTheNextLevel]

Hmmmm.... go to Game Stop and get an Xbox 360 game for 20 bucks

or get one in the same condition, with a stupid plastic case, for 120.

"Hey, these hundred bucks are going to burn a hole in my wallet. Better spend them."

Gosh, VGA...

[Bronty-2]

LOL you guys are so awesome. Glad it makes you feel better about yourselves to bash what others collect.

[Bronty-2]

don't get me wrong, yeah, getting an arkham asylum graded seems a little silly. But that's the seller's issue.

And if he wants to do it, well whatever, that's his money lost. He's not going to make a profit on selling it for all the reasons stated.

I just don't get why loose and cib collectors seem to love bashing on sealed collectors/collecting so much. Only reason I can think of is jealously, quite honestly.

Otherwise why do you all give a fuck? I do collect sealed for the most part and frankly apart from some just passing interest in knowing how the other segments of the market are doing, I couldn't care if the segments I don't collect go up, down, or sideways. It doesn't affect me.

And some joker grading a current gen game or some other joker never being able to sell a game because his asking price is 10x what its worth... none of these things should bother you if it didn't somehow make you feel like your collection was crap? I dunno, you tell me, that's the only thing I can think of.

Which is doubly silly because I don't even collect loose or CIB and I certainly don't look at them as crap. I just think y'all need to chill the eff out. I mean VGA hate, really? That is SO 2007.