Nintendo World Championships to be on Pawn Stars [Archive] - Page 2

spman

02-12-2013, 12:49 PM

Schiggidyd

02-12-2013, 12:59 PM

When was the last time an authentic gold NWC has even been on the market and sold and how much did it sell for? There's one listed on eBay right now which actually looks like it might be the same one that was on the show last night. The guy wants $27,000 for it, which I doubt he'd get. Anyone with that kind of cash to blow won't be spending it on that. A couple grays have sold recently in the $8000 - $9000 range. I can't fathom anyone paying more than $12000 - $15000 for a gold.

Spman, you seem a little misinformed. In response to your first comment, yes, they are both real. He's a well known collector, and it was purchased from someone who participated in the event.

In response to this comment, no, the one on Ebay which was taken apart and put in plastic is not Pat's copy. That's a different person, who's been trying to sell it for a very, very long time.

spman

02-12-2013, 01:10 PM

Spman, you seem a little misinformed. In response to your first comment, yes, they are both real. He's a well known collector, and it was purchased from someone who participated in the event.

In response to this comment, no, the one on Ebay which was taken apart and put in plastic is not Pat's copy. That's a different person, who's been trying to sell it for a very, very long time.

Ah, thanks for the info. So the guy selling the one taken apart and mounted in plastic is just being unrealistic in his asking price I assume?

JSoup

02-12-2013, 01:15 PM

And? If I had a NWC cart I'd want to show off and get paid for it too.

As I pointed out to you in a different thread, not all of us have a 4th grade mentality. Many of us have the maturity to own something cool and not shove it in everyones face.

Nature Boy

02-12-2013, 01:54 PM

Well I called that one. He had no intention of selling those games. If he did he'd have gone to auction not a PAWN shop!

Think about it though: if you were planning on selling those two games, isn't going on the show brilliant?

I mean, you've just advertised to the entire gaming world that you're looking to sell and that you'll take $35,000. No amount of forum posting on your own is going to get you the type of exposure that this TV appearance did. If he auctioned those off tomorrow he'd have *way* more interest than if he went straight to auction.

And I do disagree about your last statement, that if he wanted to sell he'd automatically go to an auction and not a pawn. The reason you go to a pawn is that you get the cash NOW. It might be hard for some to understand, but there are situations that would make anybody think that holding out for more money for a stupid video game isn't worth it. Just be happy you likely won't ever be in a situation like that.

JSoup

02-12-2013, 02:54 PM

I mean, you've just advertised to the entire gaming world that you're looking to sell and that you'll take $35,000. No amount of forum posting on your own is going to get you the type of exposure that this TV appearance did. If he auctioned those off tomorrow he'd have *way* more interest than if he went straight to auction.

It's also a great way to establish a base price that's hard to argue. Someone claims that it's not worth that much? Play a clip from the TV that all of America saw, the price is pretty much locked into the viewers mind.

wiggyx

02-12-2013, 03:33 PM

It's also a great way to establish a base price that's hard to argue. Someone claims that it's not worth that much? Play a clip from the TV that all of America saw, the price is pretty much locked into the viewers mind.

Which is actually LOWER than Gold NWC carts go for ($15K), let alone a gold and gray. So, now America thinks the value is less than current market value.

Collector_Gaming

02-12-2013, 03:54 PM

And a museum/arcade would be awesome.

Fun spot in weirs beach new hampshire kinda does that.

Some video game shops i been to do a mini museum thing... I know the one in Salem Mass does.. He has all his personal classic consoles up high with quick info about it.

Which going back to fun spot they have a normal sized glass case with a few video game related stuff (they have a old Odyssey in mint condition with box. they have some accessories and such) and I was thinking it would probably be cool to contact them and pitch a idea to create a classic video game display to go by their classic arcade games in a complete video game museum!

bb_hood

02-12-2013, 04:00 PM

As I pointed out to you in a different thread, not all of us have a 4th grade mentality. Many of us have the maturity to own something cool and not shove it in everyones face.

EXACTLY. I hate to say this, but what an attention whore. Every time I see this Pat character it seems hes just talking about how rare his video games are. Of course he had no intention on selling the games. Why the fuck would he? Then he would just be like the rest of us, another fan of original nintendo who does not own a World Champ Cart. Because lets face it, its his only claim to fame. Pat does have a massive video game collection, and if he really needed money he could easily sell of other items. But hey, if you need 35 grand right away, you gotta do what you gotta do...

JSoup

02-12-2013, 05:10 PM

Which is actually LOWER than Gold NWC carts go for ($15K), let alone a gold and gray. So, now America thinks the value is less than current market value.

....quick! Someone get a bunch of VGA games on that show!

Parodius Duh!

02-12-2013, 05:54 PM

Pat is nothing but an attention whore. Everything I seen about the guy on youtube annoys me.

The only reason he took the game on the show was to show off and get payed for being on TV.
His asking price was 35k and the lowest he went was 32k so he was't even looking for a sale but just attention. You guys realize he's hurting the hobby yet praise him so much.

AGREED 100%, I would not mind if the guy disappeared from the internet and NES collecting entirely, I hope he does "need the cash" sells the carts hes so well known for, and then goes away. Dudes an Ass Hat..

The Adventurer

02-12-2013, 06:00 PM

Pat's cool. Don't hate on Pat. Flea Market Madness got me into video game hunting.

treismac

02-12-2013, 06:28 PM

Pat's cool. Don't hate on Pat.

Word. I'm a fan of Pat as well. I think he does a great job of blending story with game reviews. Really, I can't think of anyone else who does anything remotely like what Pat does. Also, the character he has created for R.O.B. is brilliant, and the strength of the interaction between the two of them is enough to make an episode. On top of all of this, Pat is also a fellow devotee of The Bee, which gives him all kind of retro brownie points.

I'm of the opinion that art/entertainment is created to be enjoyed, so tasteful self promotion doesn't offend me. I think Pat's shows rock, and if appearing on Pawnstars helps more folks in our hobby discover his great show, I'm all for it.

As I pointed out to you in a different thread, not all of us have a 4th grade mentality. Many of us have the maturity to own something cool and not shove it in everyones face.

Part of Pat's character/persona is over the top child-like worship of his collection. If he seems less than mature to you over his glee of owning the holy grail of NES collecting, mission accomplished.

Greg2600

02-12-2013, 06:33 PM

Think about it though: if you were planning on selling those two games, isn't going on the show brilliant?

I mean, you've just advertised to the entire gaming world that you're looking to sell and that you'll take $35,000. No amount of forum posting on your own is going to get you the type of exposure that this TV appearance did. If he auctioned those off tomorrow he'd have *way* more interest than if he went straight to auction.

And I do disagree about your last statement, that if he wanted to sell he'd automatically go to an auction and not a pawn. The reason you go to a pawn is that you get the cash NOW. It might be hard for some to understand, but there are situations that would make anybody think that holding out for more money for a stupid video game isn't worth it. Just be happy you likely won't ever be in a situation like that.
I'm not discounting the worth of the appearance to the NES punk. My point is that he wasn't serious about taking what the pawn shop would offer. His reason for being there was phony, and not in the spirit of the show. Say what you want about the lame scripted side segments they do, the people who come in are almost always serious about selling. The fact that Chumlee was there offering 15K proves my point. The entire segment was phony, because Rick Harrison doesn't even allow his son to offer that much money for anything.

why is it pointless? People would say a video game museum is pointless. It's crazy when one nerd tryes to bash another nerd.
My issue with the shoes is that Nike specifically produces them in low quantities so that they are immediately worth money. It's artificially created memorabilia. Do video game collectors collect only rare editions and swag? And he's a loser because he clearly had no intention of selling the collection. It wreaked of a lame setup.

bb_hood

02-12-2013, 06:46 PM

Pat's cool. Don't hate on Pat. Flea Market Madness got me into video game hunting.

Im not trying to be overly negative or hate on him, I just get really tired of how every classic video game topic or conversation turns into "OMG this is so rare, extremely valuable, worth so much blah blah blah". So when he goes on Pawn Stars to show off his cartridge, what come out of his mouth? "Oh my god its the rarest thing ever, super valuable, rare rare rare, mint condition, the clouds parted and the angels went ahhhhh", please shoot me now. He asks 35/32$ grand and of course Pawn Stars wont pay anything near that of course. Hes just showing off, and to that I say "take you fancy toy home, we all already know you have them."

The Adventurer

02-12-2013, 06:48 PM

Do video game collectors collect only rare editions and swag?

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that such video game collectors do actually exist.

IHatedSega

02-12-2013, 06:58 PM

Yeah, why collect normal editions and never play them, when you can play the normals and collect the special editions of games you love?

JSoup

02-12-2013, 07:15 PM

Part of Pat's character/persona is over the top child-like worship of his collection. If he seems less than mature to you over his glee of owning the holy grail of NES collecting, mission accomplished.

I've never seen anything of Pat, ever. I was responding to another posters comment, one that had nothing to do with Pat.

BricatSegaFan

02-12-2013, 07:19 PM

Pat's cool. Don't hate on Pat. Flea Market Madness got me into video game hunting.

I love Pat's reviews! Flea market madness is great too! It inspired me as well to travel nearby cities flea markets.

Nesmaster

02-12-2013, 07:23 PM

Bill of sale he shows on the episode says he paid $12500 for the gold cart. He probably paid more than $2500 for the grey so he's obviously not out to lose money right off the bat. LOL

bb_hood

02-12-2013, 07:28 PM

Bojay1997

02-12-2013, 07:46 PM

Why exactly is the gold one worth more than the grey? I thought the grey was given out to winners at the event, where the gold was a Nintendo Power magazine prize. If I was a collector that had to choose just one, and value was not a factor, I would def want the one given away at the event.

Rarity primarily. There are 26 of the gold and 90 of the grey. Even still, I don't get why anyone cares very much about either one. If I was in the contest or a winner I might care, but at this point people are paying crazy money for what is essentially someone else's trophy.

Parodius Duh!

02-12-2013, 09:13 PM

Id like to see what would happen if someone brought in a prototype of an unreleased game to Fat Stars (specifically, one thats been dumped so it doesnt retain as high a value), wonder what their "expert" would have to say, I doubt they are well versed in that area of gaming and someone could probably make a killing off of them.

wiggyx

02-12-2013, 09:56 PM

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that such video game collectors do actually exist.

Isn't that what Nintendo Age is for?

spman

02-12-2013, 09:58 PM

Bill of sale he shows on the episode says he paid $12500 for the gold cart. He probably paid more than $2500 for the grey so he's obviously not out to lose money right off the bat. LOL

So basically he payed market value for the gold, and maybe slightly less than market value for the gray? Yeah, it doesn't shock me he wants so much, it's doubtful he's gonna make his investment back.

treismac

02-12-2013, 10:48 PM

I've never seen anything of Pat, ever. I was responding to another posters comment, one that had nothing to do with Pat.

Gotcha.

PapaStu

02-13-2013, 02:00 AM

Rarity primarily. There are 26 of the gold and 90 of the grey. Even still, I don't get why anyone cares very much about either one. If I was in the contest or a winner I might care, but at this point people are paying crazy money for what is essentially someone else's trophy.

Incorrect. There were well more than 90 greys made. People have carts well into the 300's. Those 26/90 numbers have been bantered about for ages. Exact numbers really aren't known.

Nz17

02-13-2013, 11:46 PM

There's one listed on eBay right now which actually looks like it might be the same one that was on the show last night. The guy wants $27,000 for it, which I doubt he'd get.

But... but it has the magic of an 85 VGA ranking (http://www.ebay.com/itm/s/140909876381)! That's worth an instant +$5000 bonus!

Does anyone know how long it takes before a newly aired episode of Pawnstars is archived online on their website?

I think it is either a delay of one week or two weeks before it is on the PS Web site. But if you have Comcast, you can watch it online here [ http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/watch/Pawn-Stars/7196250346352115112/18067011548/Room-and-Hoard/videos?cmpid=syn_rss ] at no extra charge. Also as AtariLeaf said, see [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHKBbY_Anuk ] if you don't mind a recording of a television showing the program.

For everyone else, here's a summary:
---
Punk shows up
Punk asks for $35K
Chumlee says that's a lot, calls an expert
Commercial break - the eye-catches feature trivia about how Mario was originally a carpenter
Toy store expert shows up
Toy store expert says gray NWC is worth $8K, gold is worth $20K to $22K, $30K total
Chumlee thanks Toy store expert
Chumlee asks what Punk wants
Punk asks for $35K again
Chumlee says the store's usual line
Chumlee says $15K
Punk says lowest is $32K
Chumlee says $15K
Punk refuses
Chumlee shakes Punk's hand goodbye
Punk says, "Maybe it just wasn't meant to be."
THE END
[change scene]

Bojay1997

02-14-2013, 12:55 AM

Incorrect. There were well more than 90 greys made. People have carts well into the 300's. Those 26/90 numbers have been bantered about for ages. Exact numbers really aren't known.

Ok, I'll concede the point that there isn't a good exact count, but it's pretty clear that 90 grey carts were given away as were 26 of the gold. Anything beyond that slipped out of Nintendo and just because numbers into the 300s exist, doesn't mean there are 300+ grey carts still in existence. In any event, the gold is far less numerous than the grey which was the point.

wiggyx

02-14-2013, 02:51 AM

Ok, I'll concede the point that there isn't a good exact count, but it's pretty clear that 90 grey carts were given away as were 26 of the gold. Anything beyond that slipped out of Nintendo and just because numbers into the 300s exist, doesn't mean there are 300+ grey carts still in existence. In any event, the gold is far less numerous than the grey which was the point.

Nobody ever said there were, only that more than 90 copies were produced. Same with gold carts. Only about half of what were given away are known to exist. I imagine the rest have long since been sent to landfills.

GamerTheGreek

02-14-2013, 01:17 PM

Gameguy

02-14-2013, 01:37 PM

Nobody ever said there were, only that more than 90 copies were produced. Same with gold carts. Only about half of what were given away are known to exist. I imagine the rest have long since been sent to landfills.
I remember some Nintendo ex-employee mentioned online that he had a copy, he had access to it because he worked on the competition. I don't doubt that there's more copies floating around than what was given away at the competition. Some are probably destroyed but I think most still exist, even if they're packed away and forgotten.

Niku-Sama

02-14-2013, 02:12 PM

i am sure some where up in washington theres a warehouse with a bunch of boxes of stuff like the NWC carts thats been forgotten about and burried under a bunch of newer stuff

JSoup

02-14-2013, 02:19 PM

They will have to be reminded you cant get hundreds for something that isnt rare. Rarity is in the demand or the amount produced I think this was less than 100 or so made and is collectible ( I hope the show points that out when talking about the item. )

The problem is, that's not going to change anything. Price is determined by what people are theoretically willing to pay, not what the theoretical rarity is. You get enough suckers over paying for something, then the price is set.

spman

02-14-2013, 02:22 PM

I dont think it will hurt the collecting hobby. I mean now every brother and their sister is gonna take duck hunt and try to get 50.00 for the game cause this NES on the show might be a few thousand. They will have to be reminded you cant get hundreds for something that isnt rare. Rarity is in the demand or the amount produced I think this was less than 100 or so made and is collectible ( I hope the show points that out when talking about the item. ) "

Look at the listings on eBay or Craigslist, there are already plenty of idiots out there that think their copy of Duckhunt is worth $50. The second market value for NES stuff is artificially high at the moment as a result of scalpers and resellers who think their crap is gold and price it as such, this show won't make much of a difference, if anything it'll just help the bubble burst faster. Of course, it doesn't help that eBay allows sellers to keep their overpriced listings up in perpetuity, with no incentive to lower their price, that's why you see so many overpriced listings for crap, they're just resellers fishing for a mark who doesn't know any better.

As for the NWC carts, it has long been my understanding that the proto hunters like DreamTR have basically tracked down and accounted for nearly every NWC cart that may conceivably be out there by contacting everyone whose name appeared in Nintendo Power as having won a cart, and tracking down every ex Nintendo employee who may have had access to snag one, so I think we have a fairly good lock on how many are out there. Yeah, there might be a couple out there unaccounted for, but it can't possibly be more than a handful at most.

Collector_Gaming

02-14-2013, 03:57 PM

i am sure some where up in washington theres a warehouse with a bunch of boxes of stuff like the NWC carts thats been forgotten about and burried under a bunch of newer stuff

Wouldn't that be a find..

Be like a indiana jones kinda thing.

Indiana Jones and the Quest of the lost crate of NWC Carts!

The 1 2 P

02-14-2013, 08:47 PM

see [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHKBbY_Anuk ] if you don't mind a recording of a television showing the program.

Thats what I was waiting for. As I suspected I didn't miss much. But as someone else said earlier this was actually a really good marketing idea from the seller. Theres no better advertisment than free advertisment.

Atarileaf

02-14-2013, 09:02 PM

Wouldn't that be a find..

Be like a indiana jones kinda thing.

Indiana Jones and the Quest of the lost crate of NWC Carts!

Well, couldn't be worse than "Crystal Skull" I suppose ;)

Jack_Burton_BYOAC

02-14-2013, 09:31 PM

i am sure some where up in washington theres a warehouse with a bunch of boxes of stuff like the NWC carts thats been forgotten about and burried under a bunch of newer stuff

You are likely correct. And there might even be a prototype of the NWC in existence.

Parodius Duh!

02-15-2013, 10:46 AM

Just watched the episode on demand. This makes me hate Pawn Stars and Patthenespunk even more. Ive never seen a more scripted scenario on that show. Seriously, once Pat said "As much as I love them I just really need the cash right now" I knew he was reading from a card or being coached what to say. Then they call in that other Fat Nerd Johnny, who I guess just knows EVERYTHING about collectibles including comic books and vintage video games. Gives an appraisal of $20-22,000 for the Gold NWC?! Seriously? Eat shit you fat brainless idiot and stick to collecting Ninja Turtles action figures and Transformers. If that moron gets his own spin off series then Im flat out boycotting the History channel as a whole and will never watch a single one of their programs again. As much as I think Pat's a doucher too, he was right and could put basically any price on the cart and it WOULD sell. This shit just enrages me, I dont get the phenomenon behind these Fat assholes and their friends. That Count guy looks like a class A D-Bag left over from the 80s hair metal scene, I lump him into the same category as Food Networks Guy Fieri. Only guy I have any respect for is the American Restoration guy, clearly hes a hard worker and his restorations are some of the best Ive seen, he deserves everything hes gotten thus far. As for the Fat Stars, their idiot toy/comic/video game guy and douchey car guy, they can all go pound dirt. On an earlier episode they even brought that table top Pac Man machine to a game shop and the dude seemed legit, wish theyd bring him back instead of this Fat headed Johnny guy.

....another thing that pisses me off is how they know all these "experts" I just wanna bring something crazy on there, have them say that and then reply, "OK, let me call my guy who knows everything there is to know about this item too" Surprised people are so willing to accept THEIR experts advice. Morons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

........and Im sure theres definitely NOT a crate of NWCs in any warehouse somewhere. They only made the exact amount they needed to distribute. It was meant to be a limited item to begin with, so if there was any extra carts produced they were most likely destroyed. Sure 300 carts may have been made cause that was the minimum factory order or something. Doesnt mean majority of them didnt end up in Nintendos incinerator...

FrankSerpico

02-15-2013, 11:21 AM

I like to imagine that Nintendo's warehouse guys in WA are all failed former Mariners players, like post-roids Bret Boone.

IHatedSega

02-15-2013, 11:44 AM

That Count guy looks like a class A D-Bag left over from the 80s hair metal scene, I lump him into the same category as Food Networks Guy Fieri.
Count's cool, hes probably a player with the ladies, but hes got a cool charisma. So is Guy, I like waaaaay more than Bobbie Flay.

The toy guy coming in was a really stupid idea, wish they had gotten someone legit in gaming to come in and not a toy expert.

The scripts dont bother me, Im glad this show does exist so people realize that used stores have to pay what they pay to meet over head costs. I trust the American History buff, the Military guy though is such a character with the beard, suspenders and THAT HAT! I dont like who Chumlee is dumb though, I dont like dumb characters.

FrankSerpico

02-15-2013, 11:52 AM

Guy Fieri is the worst. A frosted blond spiked haircut is understandable if you're 15 and stupid, but anyone in their forties who rocks that look needs to be deported imo.

IHatedSega

02-15-2013, 12:00 PM

Guy Fieri is the worst. A frosted blond spiked haircut is understandable if you're 15 and stupid, but anyone in their forties who rocks that look needs to be deported imo.

I love Female Guy, Chef Ann. She is so cool. Rachel Ray is the worst though, you HAVE to admit that!

Flam

02-15-2013, 01:09 PM

The NY Times review of Guy's restaurant in Times Square was awsome!

Gameguy

02-15-2013, 01:19 PM

Only guy I have any respect for is the American Restoration guy, clearly hes a hard worker and his restorations are some of the best Ive seen, he deserves everything hes gotten thus far.
That guy can do excellent work.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2rm5mqc.jpg

I'd like to bring him a 1987 Dodge Aries K so he can restore it into a 1967 Shelby Mustang Cobra GT500.

........and Im sure theres definitely NOT a crate of NWCs in any warehouse somewhere. They only made the exact amount they needed to distribute. It was meant to be a limited item to begin with, so if there was any extra carts produced they were most likely destroyed. Sure 300 carts may have been made cause that was the minimum factory order or something. Doesnt mean majority of them didnt end up in Nintendos incinerator...
I don't think there would be a crate of these, I still think there's probably a dozen or two left somewhere waiting to pop up.

I love Female Guy, Chef Ann. She is so cool. Rachel Ray is the worst though, you HAVE to admit that!
The worst is Sandra Lee. Coctail Time!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK21SZoXoa4

Here she attempts to make a cake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2iWTJqo98

brainerdrainer

02-16-2013, 05:38 PM

hahaha man I saw that. I knew they weren't going to offer him what he wanted of course

Sundowner

02-16-2013, 08:00 PM

I thought there would be more comedy and shenanigans with this. It was an interesting watch nonetheless.

If anyone's curious and wants to see it in better quality than youtube. here is a dailymotion link.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxi4c1_pat-the-nes-punk-on-pawn-stars_videogames#.USAqsvISG9I

Gameguy

02-16-2013, 08:51 PM

It would have been funnier if the store agreed to pay the prices he was asking. Pat had no intention to sell those games, if the store actually offered to pay his asking price he would have grabbed the carts and run out of there.

Buyatari

02-23-2013, 12:54 AM

That guy can do excellent work.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2rm5mqc.jpg

Hey wait a second.....Those are clearly two different designs!

What did he keep just the guts?

Buyatari

02-23-2013, 01:11 AM

Ok, I'll concede the point that there isn't a good exact count, but it's pretty clear that 90 grey carts were given away as were 26 of the gold. Anything beyond that slipped out of Nintendo and just because numbers into the 300s exist, doesn't mean there are 300+ grey carts still in existence. In any event, the gold is far less numerous than the grey which was the point.

26 gold were given away via Nintendo Power. Perhaps half of these have been found. As far as I know there hasn't been a gold NWC discovered which came from another source.

The grey are a bit harder to tie down. A few have come to market that were not owned by contest winners. For example former Nintendo employees (such as the one found in the Jollyrancher garage sale find) have sold them.

I agree that there are more grey than gold out there.

Bojay1997

02-23-2013, 01:12 AM

Hey wait a second.....Those are clearly two different designs!

What did he keep just the guts?

That's the joke and the evidence people constantly point to that the show is heavily produced/staged. They clearly restored an entirely different machine and claimed it was the first one. Personally, I could care less as I just enjoy it for the historical information and I know that 99% of the items and people on there are not legitimate or at least very heavily scripted.

Buyatari

02-23-2013, 02:56 PM

That's the joke and the evidence people constantly point to that the show is heavily produced/staged. They clearly restored an entirely different machine and claimed it was the first one. Personally, I could care less as I just enjoy it for the historical information and I know that 99% of the items and people on there are not legitimate or at least very heavily scripted.

They should have had him on this episode then. He could have restored my Mario and Tetris carts into an NWC.