RetroN 5 is officially a thing, apparently

[Atarileaf]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/retron5-hyperkin-snes-genesis-sega,news-17491.html

Another recent article that seems very positive. I will say I'm intrigued. Although I do have a Yobo FC Twin and it works fine, I'm generally wary of spending money on these clone systems (my yobo was $7 used) but I may just pick up one of these if the word from the general gaming community is positive.

I'd certainly rather buy this than spend 3 to 4 times more for a Wii U, PS4 or xbox whatever the hell its called.

[TheRetroVideoGameAddict]

One thing I'm worried about despite being extremely excited for the Retron5 is how we'll be bringing up the in game menu. I read that it's going to be button configuration (almost like you were entering the Konami Code) and I'm worried that I may come across a game that requires button smashing that could interfere with the Retron5's menu code....

Maybe it's a silly thing to worry about, especially since we won't know much about it until it's released, but I'm still a tad concerned.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/retron5-hyperkin-snes-genesis-sega,news-17491.html

coo, thanks for that. interesting they will include two of their bluetooth controllers and an SD card! I wasn't expected that. I thought they'd do one wireess controller and have users supply their own SD card. Nice going hyperkin.


[QUOTE=TheRetroVideoGameAddict;1981329]One thing I'm worried about despite being extremely excited for the Retron5 is how we'll be bringing up the in game menu. I read that it's going to be button configuration (almost like you were entering the Konami Code) and I'm worried that I may come across a game that requires button smashing that could interfere with the Retron5's menu code....

Maybe it's a silly thing to worry about, especially since we won't know much about it until it's released, but I'm still a tad concerned.

I doubt that will be the case. The controller has a menu button similar to the Xbox guide or Playstation Home button. Or the Ouya controller's home button.

[MarioMania]

If it dosen't load the EverDrive Carts ... It's shit

[Satoshi_Matrix]

If it dosen't load the EverDrive Carts ... It's shit

http://madeofwynn.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/picard-facepalm.jpg

I don't think you understand the purpose of this device if your evaluation of a system that plays original cartridges through software emulation is based on it's ability to run flash cartridges that remove the fundamental purpose of the original physical media cartridges.

[dendawg]

I don't think you understand the purpose of this device if your evaluation of a system that plays original cartridges through software emulation is based on it's ability to run flash cartridges that remove the fundamental purpose of the original physical media cartridges.

Some of us don't have the luxury of endless shelf space, and technically, the everdrive is a physical cartridge that's capable of running more than just roms. Tech demos and homebrew also. Not everyone with a flash cart is automatically a pirate. :roll:

[Kiddo]

There may be technical issues regarding carts like that, but I'd be okay with it as long as they aren't intentionally disabling them.

On the note of physical carts, though, has it been mentioned if they'd considering having support for patches for games? I'm sure there's many importers who'd like to play a fan translation, or people who don't want to have to get a repro cart to play a hack. There'd be no piracy argument if they're doing a soft-patch on the actual physical media.

There's a particular thing I'd like to experiment with in regard to IPS patch support, in particular.. (although I'm not even certain if the software will be good enough to load up BS-X properly, so who knows...?)

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Not everyone with a flash cart is automatically a pirate.

You're right. Not everyone with a flashcart is a pirate. Just 98% of them.

That aside, I'm not judging those who choose to pirate with flashcarts. These games are old, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who is interested in them should be able to do whatever they like with them - nobody's losing money and in many cases the developers don't even exist any more.

I'm simply pointing out how facepalmingly ludicrous the notion that clone hardware that runs emulation software is or is not worthwhile based on its ability to run flash cartridges which themselves emulate the games to begin with.

The very purpose of the RetroN5 is to play your original cartridges. Remove that from the equation and from there you might as well fully emulate via any other device that is capable of emulating all of these systems and more perfectly well, such as the Ouya.

Flash cartridges make sense if you're talking about the original hardware - those who want to experience the original resolution, controller, and get an authentic experience. Most flashcarts are 1:1 with the original cartridge, so there's nothing lost except for an intangible feeling of connection to the game cartridge itself. But when you then go and replace the system hardware too, what's the advantage over emulation?




has it been mentioned if they'd considering having support for patches for games?
IIRC Hyperkin has said the firmware can be upgraded via a USB thumbstick or SD card. Android emulators for tablets and Ouya run all these systems well to begin with, so I'm sure they'll be fixing any potential problems over time.

[hellraiser]

This says its out on haloween?
http://m.complex.com/video-games/2013/09/retron5-console-available-pre-order

[buzz_n64]

This says its out on haloween?
http://m.complex.com/video-games/2013/09/retron5-console-available-pre-order

That's what Amazon says http://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B00DZIX394/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1379053475&sr=8-5&keywords=retron+5

[Tupin]

So, does this run Android? I could swear I heard that somewhere.

[Tanooki]

They gave a release date softly as October so my guess anyone wanting to presell will throw the last day of the month and hope for the best. As far as android I had not heard that but if it did use a flavor of that it could get really interesting what some people may try getting away with on there such as an emulator box.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

So, does this run Android? I could swear I heard that somewhere.

Yes, what little we do know about the RetroN5 hardware itself is that it is Android based. There is no word yet on any actual system specs, but I suspect that the system will be Tegra 3 based like Ouya, but with lower specs than Ouya given that it won't ever be asked to run emulators for the PS1 or N64 or modern day indie titles.

When it was reveled to be Android based, some speculation was naturally happening regarding the potential impacts (the system could be hacked to do things Hyperkin does not intend) but it's too early to say if the Android core for emulation rather than traditional reverse engineered hardware like RetroBit is going with will prove to be a good or bad idea.

What will truly matter is the accuracy of each emulator the RetroN5 has. Just how good will that Genesis sound be, will SNES Super FX games run at the proper speed, maybe even overclocked?

There are still many unanswered questions about the RetroN5. The confirmation that it runs Android is just the first titillating snippet of info.

[Goblin]

It is available for pre-order now and my order is in. I think I am more excited for this than the PS4 and XB1 that I also have on pre-order. I have been on a hiatus with regard to my collecting the past few years due to work, kids, and a move. My sizable NES and Genesis collections are still not unpacked after a full year being in the new house. I have a Wii with the emulators loaded, but I do like being able to play my actually collection. I collected them for a reason and now I can play them on my 55" via HMDI. Will it work 100% for every game I don't know and I really don't care. The video is still going to be better than composite or RF. My days of having 8 systems setup and a dedicated analog TV just for games is over. This is going to work nicely. I can't wait.

[Akito01]

I'm holding out for StoneAgeGamer, but the fact that preorders are already popping up is very exciting. Not being able to afford the new offerings from Microsoft or Sony, it's nice to have a new console to look forward to.

[PizzaKat]

the launch lineup looks promising

[The Adventurer]

Is this system going to have trouble with usual assortment of problem NES and SNES games that don't work right or don't work at all in famiclones? Or is this one doing something different to get those compatibility problems sorted?

[Scotterpop]

Like most people here, I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. I just hope I can finally play my Famicom copy of Castlevania 3 on it (my Messiah console would never recognize it). But what's with the controller design? That thing does NOT look comfortable. What's with all the squared edges? Definitely going to be using the original pads instead.

[Mr Mort]

I just pre-ordered mine. At the moment, I'm more excited about this than the PS4 or XB1. As someone said, I hope it runs Akoumajo Densetsu on the Famicom properly, I'd love to pick up a copy of it, the music is sublime. I'm anxious to test this thing thoroughly and see just how accurate the emulation is. I'm optimistic about this one.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

It is available for pre-order now and my order is in.

Where did you preorder yours?


Is this system going to have trouble with usual assortment of problem NES and SNES games that don't work right or don't work at all in famiclones? Or is this one doing something different to get those compatibility problems sorted?

Nobody except Hyperkin knows for sure yet, but the fact they are going with emulation rather than reverse engineered hardware potentials means 100% compatibility across all games as emulators can be more precise than clone hardware. However, that opens a whole new can of worms - there may be emulator born issues not present in NOAC Famiclones. The good news is that with emulation, Hyperkin can patch issues that are discovered via firmware updates, rather than having motherboard revisions that have you buy a whole new system.



the launch lineup looks promising

I see what you did there. and I like it.



Like most people here, I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. I just hope I can finally play my Famicom copy of Castlevania 3 on it (my Messiah console would never recognize it). But what's with the controller design? That thing does NOT look comfortable. What's with all the squared edges? Definitely going to be using the original pads instead.

The NEX is a sexy, SEXY Famiclone with top quality everything except for it's core NOAC, which was a subpar NOAC even for 2005. One of my dream projects is to replace the NOAC of the NEX with something superior to clean up all the issues. The NEX was really capable of so much more, it's a real shame Messiah went with a shit NOAC after spending so much time on getting the exterior of the thing, and the functionality so perfect.

Anyway, most NOACs worth a damn can play MMC5 games like Castlevania 3 just fine, and since the RetroN5 is emulation based, it too has already been shown to have no problems with CV3.

As for the controller, I suggest waiting until you actually hold it in your hands and using it before passing judgement. They might be great, they might be crap. I'm going to refrain judgement until I own the thing. But hey, if I end up liking them and others do not, I may consider offering to buy them off people. I've got some plans for some extra projects that could benefit from these RetorN5 controllers.



I just pre-ordered mine. At the moment, I'm more excited about this than the PS4 or XB1. As someone said, I hope it runs Akoumajo Densetsu on the Famicom properly, I'd love to pick up a copy of it, the music is sublime. I'm anxious to test this thing thoroughly and see just how accurate the emulation is. I'm optimistic about this one.

I'd be surprised if Akumajou Densetsu doesn't work. VRC6 emulation is pretty common. The only issue may be just which Famicom Hyperkin emulates - if it's HVC-101 (The AV Famicom), expect the 2A03 channels to be drowned out by the VRC6 expansions. For example, the whip sound will be very quiet.

[Dr. BaconStein]

So, good news and bad news. The good news is RetroN 5 is available for pre-order and now has an official release date. The bad news is it's $99.99... way over what I was expecting.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZIX394/

[Ed Oscuro]

How much do you think an ARM box is worth? I honestly don't think even what is essentially an emulator box would've been that realistic to expect for less.

Also, let's not forget:
Competition (https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/9392_10151562035164588_642060195_n.jpg)
Don't know why they bothered with the ugly red click gate cover but otherwise it's not that bad.

As for Hyperkin...well:
"it looks like a reversed pudding in a bowl, its just FUGLY" - PreZZ (http://hyperkin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Retron5-SNES_Controller.jpg)

I wanted so bad for this to be real hardware, but yeah, I guess nobody's getting paid enough to do it. Especially not five systems that need to be prepared against signal interference, a wholly digital picture generation system from analog original designs, and at $99.

[Akito01]

Yeah, I think the $100 figure was one that had more or less been bandied about since the start, and is exactly the amount of money I'd already set aside based on that assumption.

[swlovinist]

If anyone has some contact info for hyperkin, please PM me. I have been trying to contact someone for about a month and a half with no luck :(. Most appreciated.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

So, good news and bad news. The good news is RetroN 5 is available for pre-order and now has an official release date. The bad news is it's $99.99... way over what I was expecting.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DZIX394/

You must not have been paying attention. Ever since the thing was announced, Hyperkin has said the price would be "less than $100".

[Ed Oscuro]

I was told that the controller type was pretty much the same as the Neo Geo Pocket systems - that looks accurate. It looks like a neat controller to mess around with actually - I hope they will make them available wired for original systems (I looked about their site earlier and it's hard to navigate, so I have no idea if they will).

[MarioMania]

We need a Stress Test what games work on it..

And I don't like the idea older games in 16x9

[treismac]

If anyone has some contact info for hyperkin, please PM me. I have been trying to contact someone for about a month and a half with no luck :(. Most appreciated.

They responded to my question through Facebook.

[Pikointeractive]

Guys We just opened preorders of Retron 5 on my website.

If you guys want to support us so we can keep developing for retro consoles do not hesitate to pre-order the Retron 5 from the site!

Thanks!

[MarioMania]

Be sure to Test Games out

I mean Games that has Special Chips

[Kiddo]

We need a Stress Test what games work on it..

And I don't like the idea older games in 16x9

I have plenty of material to work with on the SNES side of things if you want stress tests. (Especially if a sd2snes works and I can load actual test ROMs, but even without it I'd definitely want to test BS-X and 8M Packs.)

[Satoshi_Matrix]

I was told that the controller type was pretty much the same as the Neo Geo Pocket systems - that looks accurate. It looks like a neat controller to mess around with actually - I hope they will make them available wired for original systems (I looked about their site earlier and it's hard to navigate, so I have no idea if they will).

Highly doubtful. RetroBit makes original controllers, not Hyperkin. The RetorN5 controller will be bluetooth, so what they would do if they do anything like that is sell a bluetooth receiver for SNES or Genesis. Not sell wired controllers. No way they'll do that.


We need a Stress Test what games work on it..

And I don't like the idea older games in 16x9

I'll be stress testing the hell of out it when I get mine. And this is emulation - changing the aspect ratio is all user defined. You can go 4:3 if you so wish. 16:9 is only one of several options including linear point filters and controller remappings and savestates. You don't have to use any of it if you don't want to.

[Drclaw411]

The listing has been pulled from Amazon. My preorder is still intact, but clicking the link gives a 404.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Yeah, the Amazon.com listing is gone, and it was never on Amazon.ca to begin with. Does anyone know where I might be able to pre-order one that will ship to Canada? Even if Amazon.com still had a listing, they don't ship here, making Amazon completely useless to Canadians.

[buzz_n64]

Hyperkin just uploaded a picture on Facebook that says "DEC 12.2013 RETRON5"

[buzz_n64]

Hyperkin to Release RetroN 5 on December 10, 2013
http://hyperkin.com/blog/2013/09/hyperkin-to-release-retron-5-on-december-10-2013/

"EL MONTE, CA (SEPTEMBER 2013) – Hyperkin has set December 10, 2013 as the official release date for the RetroN 5. The RetroN 5 plays NES, SNES, Genesis and GBA cartridges all in one convenient console. The US release will coincide with the European release, with the MSRP set at $99.99 in the US and €89.99 in the European territories.

Hyperkin explains the delay in release was due to several key modifications made to the console shown at E3. The shell design was changed to allow for better ventilation, as well as accommodations to use the Sega Power Base Converter allowing users to play Master System cartridges on the console.

All versions of the RetroN 5 will come with an AC adapter with four variable head sockets to fit multiple regions with the voltage ranging from 110 to 240 volts.

Hyperkin also confirms that the release date of October 31, 2013 listed on Amazon was a placeholder, and that Amazon has been contacted to correct the release date.

“Retron 5 will be the most amazing classic game console.” said Steven Mar, Hyperkin’s Executive Director. “We thank everyone who has been patient and supportive of Hyperkin during development.”

For more information or media requests, please contact: media@hyperkin.com. Follow Hyperkin on Twitter and like their Facebook page for the latest news and information."

[treismac]

Hyperkin explains the delay in release was due to several key modifications made to the console shown at E3. The shell design was changed to allow for better ventilation, as well as accommodations to use the Sega Power Base Converter allowing users to play Master System cartridges on the console.

Hell yes!! Good call, Hyperkin. :D

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Well....the delay certainly sucks, but if it's to make last minute improvements, I suppose I can understand. But "modifications to use the Power Base Converter" is a cosmetic concern. The Power Base Converter itself is nothing more than a pin adapter in some bulky plastic.

[Kiddo]

Well....the delay certainly sucks, but if it's to make last minute improvements, I suppose I can understand. But "modifications to use the Power Base Converter" is a cosmetic concern. The Power Base Converter itself is nothing more than a pin adapter in some bulky plastic.

I wonder if it'd be much more effort to have commodations for 32x? I suppose that'd depend on whether they think they can emulate the 32x with their current tech, though.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Not only that, but the 32X requires a video feed connection with the MegaDrive hardware to output sprite and other data. The only thing the MegaDrive does is render backgrounds. As a result, there will be no 32X support. That's hardly surprising though, given that the 32X was a colossal failure. What does kinda suck is that because there's no way to interface it, it also means no Sega CD, which while it too was a failure, does have some of the best 16-bit games ever made.

[Kiddo]

Not only that, but the 32X requires a video feed connection with the MegaDrive hardware to output sprite and other data..

For the not-technically-inclined, could you explain to me how this is relevant to an emulation environment?

I know the 32x was a bomb and has significantly less games worth playing than Sega CD (which I do agree is sad not to see on here. Shouldn't it be cheap to throw in a CD drive on the Retron, or are Hyper perhaps afraid it'll be a piracy backdoor, or that it'd provoke demand for nearly anything that ran CD medium games?), but I got Virtua Fighter and two sweet Arcadian Joysticks, maaaan. :<

[Satoshi_Matrix]

The reason it is extremely unlikely the RetroN5 will ever have 32X support is twofold;

First off, the 32X can only be used in conjunction with a real Sega Genesis/MegaDrive system. The device itself is inserted into the system like a standard game cartridge, but then it also requires its own separate power supply and a connection cable linking it to the Genesis video output port (or an additional conversion cable for the original model of the Genesis)

Since the RetroN5 will use HDMI and standard AV input, there is no way to interface the 32X.

The second major reason why it won't happen is because the 32X was a failure with almost no current retro following, at least not in comparison to the Sega Genesis itself.

The five systems that are included with the RetroN5 are the ones that proved to be the most popular and are most often requested. Even as they become legal to clone, there is simply no market for clones of unsuccessful systems such as the Lynx, Jaguar, etc. This is the primary reason why the RetorN5 will not have a TurboGrafx16 slot for example.

As for the Sega CD, like the 32X, it requires a direct connection with the Genesis hardware itself, and plus a CD drive would be expensive to produce, and once again, the Sega CD has no major retro gaming following. Super hardcore gamers like you and me might remember Popful Mail, Lunar and Snatcher, but the majority of the retro gaming community passed it up in favor of the Genesis and SNES.


The only reason they're making a big deal about "oh hey look! Master System compatibility!" is because the Sega Genesis itself has the hardware for Master System games built right in. Emulators of Genesis games can usually run Master System games without a hitch.

[Kiddo]

I spent a while being confused at your statements until I realized you were talking about putting a real 32X base on the RetroN5. Dang, I'm slow!

What I was wondering though would be how difficult it would be to simply emulate the 32x using the RetroN5's current specs. The base cart connector would be the same as Gen/MD, so I would presume at least on the side of physical connections one wouldn't need the 32x itself or any kind of passthrough. I would assume that difficulty in emulating the 32x would depend on how they handle the emulation of Genesis itself (IE. if it's as hardware-accurate as something like higan, than 32x is unlikely.).

I was mostly curious about this because the 32x is the one platform they could probably add support for that wouldn't require changing the physical console spec (IE amount of cartridge slots or shape) in any substantial manner.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Oh I see what you're asking. Well, 32X support itself through emulation would be dead easy for the RetroN5 to as many Genesis emulators support it to begin with, even a few Android based Genesis emulators. Hyperkin could theoretically sell an adapter RetroGate style that let you insert a 32X cart into that and then it into the Genesis slot or something, but they still won't because the 32X was a dud with no significant retro following.

[treismac]

...the 32X was a dud with no significant retro following.

I wonder what systems have even smaller followings: 3DO? Jaguar? Philips CD-i? It has to hold a strange place in the hearts of Sega fans as it was arguably the first really bad move in a series of blunders that led them to the end of console development. I've got a 32x that I picked up for helping clear out a friend's garage. I've got a bunch of games but no hookups. If I was a bigger Sega fan or if any of the games looked appealing, I'd grab 'em, but I can't see myself playing the 32x enough to justify it, which is a shame because the hoarding side of my collector self doesn't want to part with it.

[TheRetroVideoGameAddict]

12/10/13 is the date and I'm as eager as a kid in a candy shop to get my hands on this console! I can't wait to play Golden Sun, Metroid Zero, Superstar Saga and other amazing GBA games on my big screen as well as play my SNES and Genesis games again, I've been holding off on playing SNES and Genesis titles once again until the Retron 5 was released even though I own the consoles to play them on. It's going to be a fun winter! :)

[Satoshi_Matrix]

I wonder what systems have even smaller followings: 3DO? Jaguar? Philips CD-i?

Oh I'm sure all of the above. I'm not attacking the 32X by saying that Hyperkin won't bother supporting it - I think it would be totally awesome if the RetroN5 did support it, as well as other systems of the time like the GameGear and Lynx, and especially the TurboGrapfix 16 and PC Engine. I want a Hucard slot on the RetroN5.

However, my marketing background allows me to see the risk/reward aspect of the situation - The cost of R&D to implement TurboGrifx16/PC Engine support would be higher than the actual demand for such an input. If they did do it, most people who bought a RetorN5 would never use it at all, making it a wasted effort.

You might be wondering why then, did they add the Famicom slot when that's also largely going to be the case. The answer to that is global presence. Hyperkin plans to sell the system worldwide, and in Asia particularly the Famicom has a huge following. In addition to that, North American collectors also import Famicom games to some degree as well. It is more economical for a smaller company like Hyperkin to design a single device that can be sold worldwide, rather than changing it depending on the region.

[MyTurnToPlay]

12/10/13 is the date and I'm as eager as a kid in a candy shop to get my hands on this console! I can't wait to play Golden Sun, Metroid Zero, Superstar Saga and other amazing GBA games on my big screen as well as play my SNES and Genesis games again, I've been holding off on playing SNES and Genesis titles once again until the Retron 5 was released even though I own the consoles to play them on. It's going to be a fun winter! :)

You've been holding off from playing your games on their original systems while you wait for some cheap emulation?????

Congratulations, you are now officially the author of the most retarded comment I've ever read on these forums.

thank you.

[PreZZ]

12/10/13 is the date and I'm as eager as a kid in a candy shop to get my hands on this console! I can't wait to play Golden Sun, Metroid Zero, Superstar Saga and other amazing GBA games on my big screen as well as play my SNES and Genesis games again, I've been holding off on playing SNES and Genesis titles once again until the Retron 5 was released even though I own the consoles to play them on. It's going to be a fun winter! :)

You know the console uses emulation right? So you can already play all these games on PC/phone/tablet emulators for free and if you have tv out for your laptop/phone/tablet you can already play on your tv with enhanced graphics and full screen. Just saying.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

I received an advanced delivery of this product for review....so let me save everyone the trouble. The Retron 4 is a piece of crap. Hyperkin has a consistent record of trashy junk products...and this one is no different.

On the bright side of things...100 poor Chinese laborers were given jobs by Hyperkin to make this thing....so in a sense...Hyperkin is leading the charge towards making the world a better place. "Hyperkin the humanitarians"...pretty catchy slogan

thank you.

P.S. Fix the Supaboy you clowns.

thanks again.


I stand by my statements that this is another crap Hyperkin product. When this thing is released to the general public, I will bump this thread so that all may be amazed at my perspicacious prophetic words.

thank you.


This piece of crap is still being discussed? I thought my advance preview was sufficient warning. I've looked at the data. I've analyzed the results, and this thing is complete junk. But I guess all you zombie lemmings are dead set on throwing your money away on Hyperscam's chinese trash products.

I'm always amazed at the idiots out there. When some bullsh*t self declared gaming expert hypes up a predictably retarded new product...then all his no life loyal followers jump on his nuts and waste their money on a stupid ass product. Well...go ahead and throw your money away you lemmings.

thank you.



You've been holding off from playing your games on their original systems while you wait for some cheap emulation?????

Congratulations, you are now officially the author of the most retarded comment I've ever read on these forums.

thank you.

Okay, I'm really done with this guy. These above quotes are all things MyTurnToPlay has posted in this thread alone.

Why is this guy still not banned? Every post MyTurnToPlay has left has been the same negative crap. He's even lied to get his viewpoint across that he doesn't like clone systems. And now he's attacking another user based on his own interests!

As I've said before, MyTurnToPlay is free to his own opinions, but he's not welcome here if all he is ever going to do is make generalizations about how bad the RetroN5 will be and put down others who hold interest in the device. The guy is a HATER, and should not be tolerated here or on any other forum.

[dendawg]

Congratulations, I am now officially the author of the most retarded comment I've ever read on these forums.

Fixed.

[treismac]

Fixed.

Indeed it is.

[hellraiser]

You've been holding off from playing your games on their original systems while you wait for some cheap emulation?????

Congratulations, you are now officially the author of the most retarded comment I've ever read on these forums.

thank you.

Do you still use an old 80s brick cellphone? New cell phones not only make calls but do more then the originals. Thats what most of us are hopeing from the retron 5.
Im glad you are some where playing the classics on original systems on a old 20 inch crt tv as you are no doubt a purist. The thing is some of us have moved on with the rest of the world and look forward to options like hdmi and filters.

***Breaking News***
The world isint flat but now tv's are.

That being said, for someone who hates clone systems you sure follow this thread pretty closely?

Any ways they put up a bunch of retron5 videos on youtube including one with castlevania 3... enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t03Te6Ln79c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Who is the current mod for this forum? I haven't seen Frankie_Says_Relax around for a good while. I don't normally have vendettas, but MyTurnToPlay needs to be suspended, if not banned for his behavior.

As I've said previously, this person has on multiple occasions broken forum policy by spreading hate and disrespecting others for their opinions when it comes to clone hardware and as evidenced just on the last page, still continues to do so. I'm all for free speech, but there's a difference between saying

"I don't like ______ because ______ but this is of course, only my opinion"

and

"______ is crap, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot, and btw, I'm a prophet from the future bringing you the gospel that my opinion equals fact".

We should no longer tolerate MyTurnToPlay. Just as his username suggests, he has had his turn to play, and now it should be game over for him.

[treismac]

Who is the current mod for this forum? I haven't seen Frankie_Says_Relax around for a good while.

Frankie is currently taking a sabbatical. Hopefully we will see him back on DP soon.

[MyTurnToPlay]

Who is the current mod for this forum? I haven't seen Frankie_Says_Relax around for a good while. I don't normally have vendettas, but MyTurnToPlay needs to be suspended, if not banned for his behavior.

As I've said previously, this person has on multiple occasions broken forum policy by spreading hate and disrespecting others for their opinions when it comes to clone hardware and as evidenced just on the last page, still continues to do so. I'm all for free speech, but there's a difference between saying

"I don't like ______ because ______ but this is of course, only my opinion"

and

"______ is crap, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot, and btw, I'm a prophet from the future bringing you the gospel that my opinion equals fact".

We should no longer tolerate MyTurnToPlay. Just as his username suggests, he has had his turn to play, and now it should be game over for him.

Dude, get over yourself. You continue thread crapping this discussion and changing the topic to something else. I have never badmouthed the Retron 5. I spoke out against the Retron 4, which this thing is not. So respect this discussion and respect the other forum members and stick to the topic at hand.

And regarding the Retron 5, the son of a b*tch actually looks kind of interesting, and I might actually get it when it comes out. I'll need to see if it plays the more problematic snes games, Yoshi's Island, Mega Man X2 etc And I hope those controllers work well.

thank you.

P.S. Stop being a hater Satoshi and get with the program.

thanks again.

[TheRetroVideoGameAddict]

I know that the Retron 5 uses emulation, but because it's a new console and a console that has a lot of hype surrounding it I figured I'd hold off for a while on playing my SNES and Genesis games in favor of doing so on the Retron to emulate the feeling I used to get as a kid of getting a new console. What's the harm in that?

This MyTimeToPlay guy seems a bit harsh, can't we all just get along?

[Kiddo]

Isn't it a bit soon for debates over "RetroN 5 vs. original hardware"?

We still don't have finalized details on how good the emulation is or it's total compatibility. Especially considering that we're talking about the compatibility of multiple different systems and using software emulation to play with real cartridges (Which probably hasn't been tested far beyond testing each system's traditional cartridge). Simply too many details are in the dark for it to be truly fitting to say "I'm replacing all my consoles with this!" or "This is shit and not worth it!" either way.

[RP2A03]

12/10/13 is the date and I'm as eager as a kid in a candy shop to get my hands on this console! I can't wait to play Golden Sun, Metroid Zero, Superstar Saga and other amazing GBA games on my big screen as well as play my SNES and Genesis games again, I've been holding off on playing SNES and Genesis titles once again until the Retron 5 was released even though I own the consoles to play them on. It's going to be a fun winter! :)


You've been holding off from playing your games on their original systems while you wait for some cheap emulation?????

Congratulations, you are now officially the author of the most retarded comment I've ever read on these forums.

thank you.


I have never badmouthed the Retron 5.





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[Drclaw411]

Hyperkin has announced that all preorders made before Amazon sold out/removed the listing/whatever will be honored.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

I'm all for getting along, but apparently I need to refresh MyTurnToPlay in what he's said throughout this thread.


I received an advanced delivery of this product for review....so let me save everyone the trouble. The Retron 4 is a piece of crap. Hyperkin has a consistent record of trashy junk products...and this one is no different.

On the bright side of things...100 poor Chinese laborers were given jobs by Hyperkin to make this thing....so in a sense...Hyperkin is leading the charge towards making the world a better place. "Hyperkin the humanitarians"...pretty catchy slogan

thank you.

P.S. Fix the Supaboy you clowns.

thanks again.

You were lying. Many people called you out for lying. I gave you the benefit of the doubt by asking very specific questions, which you never responded to, nor admitted you were lying. Your post was obviously based on your disdain for older Hyperkin hardware, because the RetorN4 didn't have a conceptual design at the time you said this, much less an "advanced delivery" of a review unit.

I have been in contact with both RetroBit and Hyperkin marketing directors to do exactly what you claimed happened many months ago. You were lying, plain and simple.



I stand by my statements that this is another crap Hyperkin product. When this thing is released to the general public, I will bump this thread so that all may be amazed at my perspicacious prophetic words.

thank you.

this is again based on no actual facts, but your own prejudice against Hyperkin based on their older product line. Even if this was true, it's still an incredibly jerky thing to say.



This piece of crap is still being discussed? I thought my advance preview was sufficient warning. I've looked at the data. I've analyzed the results, and this thing is complete junk. But I guess all you zombie lemmings are dead set on throwing your money away on Hyperscam's chinese trash products.

I'm always amazed at the idiots out there. When some bullsh*t self declared gaming expert hypes up a predictably retarded new product...then all his no life loyal followers jump on his nuts and waste their money on a stupid ass product. Well...go ahead and throw your money away you lemmings.

thank you.

"looked at the data, analyzed the results" might initially sound meaningful.....until one realizes that no, you've been lying and have no real insight. And then you went to attack anyone who might go on to support this product, which based on your last post, includes you.

Brilliant.



You've been holding off from playing your games on their original systems while you wait for some cheap emulation?????

Congratulations, you are now officially the author of the most retarded comment I've ever read on these forums.

thank you.

And again, you attack someone who plans to support the system.




I have never badmouthed the Retron 5. I spoke out against the Retron 4, which this thing is not

This just goes to prove my point. The RetorN4 was an announced product that never even got to a beta hardware. At PAX, Hyperkin announced the project had evolved to include a Famicom cartridge slot, and they were changing the name to the RetorN5. In other words, the RetorN4 and RetorN5 are THE SAME THING.




So respect this discussion and respect the other forum members and stick to the topic at hand. P.S. Stop being a hater Satoshi and get with the program.

Oh irony of ironies. You seriously have the gull to say that after you've been called out on your bullshit? I haven't fabricated anything you've said; those comments were left by you throughout this thread. Calling me a hater is truly laughable. I just want it to stop. If you don't like emulation or clone hardware, then fine. Just DON'T POST.


regarding the Retron 5, the son of a b*tch actually looks kind of interesting, and I might actually get it when it comes out. I'll need to see if it plays the more problematic snes games, Yoshi's Island, Mega Man X2 etc And I hope those controllers work well.

This is the first positive statement you've left, and you're right, it will be interesting to see how the emulators handle the more advanced co-processor games on SNES as well as Virtua Racing on Genesis, Kirby's Tilt 'n Tumble on GBC, light gun games, and third party accessories. As for the RetroN5 bluetooth controllers, I'm going to wait to pass my impressions until I actually have one in my hands. It seems to most closely resemble the NeoGeo CD-Z controller, which if so, certainly isn't a bad thing.

the other question of course will be just what kind of bluetooth signal it uses. If it's something common, then it could mean generic bluetooth controllers could be used instead, which opens up the possibilities of building your own RetorN5 arcade stick, or even using a PS3 controller.

And if all else fails, Hyperkin is including controller ports for OEM controllers, which despite the problems of the RetroN3, was one of its biggest strengths.



I know that the Retron 5 uses emulation, but because it's a new console and a console that has a lot of hype surrounding it I figured I'd hold off for a while on playing my SNES and Genesis games in favor of doing so on the Retron to emulate the feeling I used to get as a kid of getting a new console. What's the harm in that?

This MyTimeToPlay guy seems a bit harsh, can't we all just get along?

You shouldn't blindly support any project until you see the final results, but my beef with MyTurnToPlay was that he lied and claimed to have known the outcome of the product when the thing was little more than simply announced. As it is now, the RetroN5 looks like it will have the potential to be the perfect marriage of physical hardware and benefits of emulation it promised, but only time will tell. Hyperkin does have a history of less-than-perfect clones, but this time the unit seems to be of a totally new breed. Or, it might turn out to be an Edsel. I'd wait until there are in depth reviews as I'm planning on doing upon release.



Isn't it a bit soon for debates over "RetroN 5 vs. original hardware"?

We still don't have finalized details on how good the emulation is or it's total compatibility. Especially considering that we're talking about the compatibility of multiple different systems and using software emulation to play with real cartridges (Which probably hasn't been tested far beyond testing each system's traditional cartridge). Simply too many details are in the dark for it to be truly fitting to say "I'm replacing all my consoles with this!" or "This is shit and not worth it!" either way.


Yes! I agree. No offense to anyone in particular, but generally speaking I feel those who oppose the RetorN5 right now are doing so out of principle in an old-man mentality that "if it isn't the original hardware, it's carp", and if it's emulation, you're "losing an important part of the experience".

On the other hand, you're totally correct in saying a lot of the details have yet to be fully revealed, especially compatibility wise. Hyperkin has said they are aiming for 100% compatibility across all systems, but that's like Exxon Mobil saying they aim for zero carbon emissions. Lofty goal, but it's probably not gonna happen. Emulation does have the possibility for 100% compatibility, but it depends on how accurate and well programmed the emulators are.

My stance is to wait and see. I'll be getting a unit and thoroughly testing it, putting up both written reviews and video reviews of as many aspects of the system as I can test, with literally hundreds of games to try on the this thing.

The best thing about it though, is that even if there are issues with any of the emulators upon release, Hyperkin need just release a firmware update, instead of having an entire motherboard revision and forcing the consumer to buy a new system like what they would have had to do with previous Hyperkin products.

[Horsehead]

As someone who is starting their collection over from scratch, I'm pretty excited for this console to come out! It will save me from having to purchase the individual consoles that are included. :)

[treismac]

Hey, crazy question here: Will the RetroN 5 be able to output AV in addition to HDMI?

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Hey, crazy question here: Will the RetroN 5 be able to output AV in addition to HDMI?

Yes, according to the press release when it was first announced, the RetroN5 will have standard composite (AV) output in addition to HDMI.

http://hyperkin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Pic-5.jpg

Unfortunately, they said nothing about S-Video, which I hope will be added before the system is released. Not that I plan to be using it with an SD TV much at all, but I just like it there as an optional choice.

[treismac]

If there was a cartridge slot for the Atari 2600, I'd halfass want there to be rf output as 2600 games look a bit funny without a slight flurry of rf snow dancing across the screen.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

2600 support is something Hyperkin could have easily done, but probably didn't happen solely due to the market percentage who would be interested in it whatsoever. The Atari was a phenomenon of North America almost exclusively; most Europeans don't really have a ton of fond memories, nor do Asians. Hyperkin likely feels that given the small number of users who would want that coupled with the sheer age of those carts, it just wasn't worth it.

[buzz_n64]

Hyperkin to Delay RetroN 5 Release

"EL MONTE, CA (NOVEMBER 2013) – Hyperkin has delayed the RetroN 5 release due to faulty pins discovered in some packaged units. Hyperkin explains that in order to resolve the issue and provide maximum user experience, the RetroN 5 will be released within the first quarter of 2014.

“We apologize for the inconvenience,” said Lawrence Lee, Hyperkin’s Project Manager. “Hyperkin would like to thank you for all the support you have given us throughout the development of the RetroN 5. We are looking forward to its release, estimated to be within the first quarter of 2014, as soon as the issue has been resolved.”

http://hyperkin.com/blog/2013/11/hyperkin-to-delay-retron-5-release/

[Leo_A]

Leo, I'm not gonna bother.

Idiot


Unfortunately, they said nothing about S-Video, which I hope will be added before the system is released. Not that I plan to be using it with an SD TV much at all, but I just like it there as an optional choice.

If SD usage is important, they shouldn't stop with S-Video since tons of standard definition CRT's had component inputs. Towards the end, they were even popping up on 13" sets that you could buy for less than $100. They were near universal despite some mistakenly associating component with ED and HD resolutions.

But I suspect that it's safe to say that the HDTV market is what they're aiming at.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Hyperkin to Delay RetroN 5 Release to fix problems

Ah...the delay sucks, but I've gotta respect Hyperkin for delaying out of concerns of quality control. The worst thing they could do is release a faulty or worse, broken device.


If SD usage is important, they shouldn't stop with S-Video since tons of standard definition CRT's had component inputs. Towards the end, they were even popping up on 13" sets that you could buy for less than $100. They were near universal despite some mistakenly associating component with ED and HD resolutions.

But I suspect that it's safe to say that the HDTV market is what they're aiming at.

Yes, but most CRTs have component inputs of 480i with possible hidden 240p support. In direct comparison, S-Video > 480i, and component also requires five jacks, something that is rear port demanding. I doubt they will or would add component.

[Leo_A]

240p support via component is an issue with some HDTV scaling chips, not with standard definition CRT's.

And with the death of S-Video, who knows how the cost would work out. Especially if they set it up where composite out was shared with one of the three jacks dedicated to component video out, I bet two extra RCA jacks would be competitive with one S-Video jack cost wise. There has to be three RCA jacks anyways just to do composite (And two of those obviously have to be present to provide stereo audio there for S-Video).

So if they were to ever go all out on SD CRT support instead of focusing on HDTV's with token SD CRT support, I would hope they'd go all the way with the best signal many classic gaming fans can easily enjoy on their Trinitrons and such instead of stopping at S-Video.

[PizzaKat]

I was hoping to get it this year, ah that sucks

[ViNGaDoRjr]

Damnit Hyperkin, you got me legitimately curious!

HDMI output? GBA compatibility? Bluetooth wireless controller? This all sounds good on paper. I reallllllly hope they put in a better NOAC here.

As an owner of many Hyperkin products, I have to say I've been woefully disappointed by the vast majority of their products, including the RetroN3.

More than likely, I'll buy one for review.


Right now with as little information as we're currently given, I have many questions looming over this product.



1. How exactly will HDMI output work? There is no NES-on-a-chip that supports anything better than composite. For the NES side, is Hyperkin simply planning on feeding a composite signal through HDMI as they did with the S-Video signal on the RetorN3?

2. Will OEM Nintendo and Sega controllers work? I assume so given the RetorN series history, but it's still an important question to ask.

3. Will the device be HDMI only? As in, no other video standards?

4. GBA compatibility sounds exciting, but there's quite a number of questions looming over this concept alone. How will you control GBA games? Will GBA games be fullscreen? Will they include the entire GBA chipset meaning GameBoy and GameBoy Color games are also playable?

5. Compatibility! Will the current issues with the NES and especially SNES sides of the RetorN3 be fixed?


They have alread answered this. It will be a emulator based console. :(

[Leo_A]

You're quoting something from 9 months ago.

[JSoup]

There was a test model running at their booth at SanAnime this previous weekend. Seemed pretty neat.

So, they are at SacAnime again this weekend and I got a chance to sit down with the Retron5. Really impressive piece of hardware. Upscales games without making them look like crap, allows me to use my favorite controllers and is apparently going to be about $100 even. I've never bothered to get any of the previous versions of the Retron, but I'm thinking I might spring for this.

[Tanooki]

I keep seeing nice things about it, just wish it had a date. I know theyre trying to qc it the best but its getting old waiting.