Wii U!

[ZP3]

Hello everyone, I am new here, so if this is a rehash of an old(er) thread, then I am sorry.

I was just wondering what everyones' opinion of the Wii U was at this point? I am currently saving for one, but I just wanted to get a feel for what the thing has to offer before i drop $350 on it. Believe me, I am pumped for the console, cannot wait to play Zelda and Smash Bros. in glorious HD. I am just not sure whether I should wait a bit, or dive right in.

[retroman]

if you want outdated 7 year old hardware that wont have any support, but from Nintendo.....go for it.

[Tupin]

if you want outdated 7 year old hardware that wont have any support, but from Nintendo.....go for it.
A good PC and a Wii U are all you need.

And it's already getting exclusives and support from third parties, so...

[WCP]

What I would do is wait for two things:


1. A full $100 price drop

2. Some actual freaking games




Then, pick one up and enjoy.

[ZP3]

if you want outdated 7 year old hardware that wont have any support, but from Nintendo.....go for it.

I guess my goal with this thread wasn't to attract the Nintendo haters, but rather to hear people's opinions who have tried out the Wii U. I tend to thoroughly enjoy Nintendo exclusives, Nintendo games (with the exception of Skyrim), are my favorites. I was looking for people who have tried out the gamepad, or like how the "Miiverse" is set up. If you dislike Nintendo, that is fine. Just do it somewhere other than here.

[ZP3]

What I would do is wait for two things:


1. A full $100 price drop

2. Some actual freaking games




Then, pick one up and enjoy.

Do you think a price drop is imminent?

[Leo_A]

I think a price drop is probable but not until later this year.

[ZP3]

I think a price drop is probable but not until later this year.

That would be nice, I suppose Nintendo would almost have to with the proposed release of PS4 and Xbox 720

[Jack7]

i have one and I love it. I agree that i have my pc and my wii u, and for modern gaming thats all i need. there's not a whole lot of games/experiences i can get out of sony or microsoft that i cant out of my pc.

[WCP]

Do you think a price drop is imminent?

I'd be shocked if there isn't a price drop by July or August. Nintendo could easily announce a new price at e3.

[The 1 2 P]

I don't see Nintendo doing a price drop this year unless the system continues to sell poorly once all their big games start to come out. But they most likely won't be making that announcement until after they see how well the system does with a Zelda, Metroid and a few other major first party releases hit the shelves. So no sooner than the fall but probably not until next year.

[SOL BADGUY]

I hate reading peoples thoughts on Nintendo nowadays. Third parties dont like to work with Nintendo because before the 32 bit era Nintendo treated them horribly, that why their systems starting with the N64 havent had a lot of great third party games on them.

So what if the system doesnt play blu ray disks or have massive specs like the other systems. All that matters are games and its only the beginning of its life span. There will be great Zelda and Mario games for it and other great Nintendo made games, and those will sell the system. The only thing that video game consoles should worry about is having some great games on it, not if it has a web browser or if you can play movies on it. Fuck Sega for making people care about specs.

Theres a troll on another message board Ive been on who always brought up how Apple will destroy Nintendo and Sony when they enter the video game business because of this or that. Whatever, if you solely play a game because of brand or the technology behind then fine, I guess youd say all the games released last year are crap and games on older systems should be scrounged from the earth. Materialism like that, if people actually htink that way, is the death of the industry.

[fluid_matrix]

I agree with The 1 2 P. I just don't see any price drop this year. Chances are pretty good that the U will be the cheapest of the 3 systems once the NextBox and PS4 are released. Nintendo can be pretty stubborn at times, and I see them holding their ground, especially after a few highly anticipated 1st party games are released.

[M.Buster2184]

I think the Wii U is fun, I don't personally own one, but it's fun for what it is. I'm personally waiting to see what first party games come out and hoping for a possible upcoming price drop. Though as things currently are, I think I'd have more fun with a 3DS. Same story I suppose, I wasn't too into the 3DS launch, but now there are a good amount of games for it that I actually want to play. Overall, if you want it and think you'll enjoy it, go buy one.

[Press_Start]

I don't see Nintendo doing a price drop this year unless the system continues to sell poorly once all their big games start to come out. But they most likely won't be making that announcement until after they see how well the system does with a Zelda, Metroid and a few other major first party releases hit the shelves. So no sooner than the fall but probably not until next year.

I slightly disagree. I think a holiday price cut ($300~$250 maybe $225) will put WiiU in the perfect sweet spot as "next-gen graphics" make certain PS4 and Xbox 720 won't come out of the gate dirt cheap ($400~$500) along side the release of NEW killer first party lineup (i.e. Mario, Zelda, Yoshi) on top of the games already release(d) in 2012/3 (NSMBU, ZombieU, Nintendoland, Lego City Undercover, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, etc.) plus the entire Wii library (given MS doesn't make 720 BC).

[jonebone]

I agree with the comments about waiting for games and a price drop. What reason is there to buy one now?

Remember, the 3DS got a price drop from $250 to $170 I believe... within FOUR MONTHS of poor sales. WiiU sales in January were downright horrible, the Xbox360 sold 8x as many units in January I believe. The price drop is right around the corner, you'll see it before summer I bet.

[BydoEmpire]

I ended up getting a Wii U Deluxe Set for free (contest), and in 35 years of playing video games I've never had such a bad first impression of a console. Very kludgy, kitchen-sink kind of thing. Frequent and lengthy system updates, confusing interface, Netflix app crashes every time (google search says network config issue, but still annoying), lengthy series of steps to move Wii data over (which is an irreversible one time transfer, so after the 20 minute process I cancelled), lots of waiting on the UI, and few games that interest me... The GamePad's range isn't as long as I'd like (I have the system in my studio, but i can't sit on the couch in the living room 30 feet away with the gamepad). I played one quick round of the Balloon Fight spinoff in Nintendo Land, and my impression was "a $0.99 iOS game with unnecessary touch controls on the TV." I'd rather play Balloon Fight. Haven't really explored Nintendo Land beyond that, but first impression wasn't great.

3rd party support is gone and not coming back, and it's going to take Nintendo a while to get 1st party games out there. I don't see a path forward for the system.

There are parts of the system I like - the gamepad screen looks great, the eShop channel is much better than on the Wii, and the controller is actually pretty light and comfortable, there was a lot of functionality (when it works) like Netflix, Youtube Channel, etc. The Monster Hunter demo I played did look pretty, although I didn't like the game that much.

Caveat: I've pretty much given up on current-gen's games. I just don't have the time and interest. I don't care about any of the titles currently out, and it'd probably going to be hard for me to get really excited about any new system. I can't blame the Wii-U for that. I have no interest in the 720 or P4, either, and I haven't played a game on my 360 in 2 years. That said, I was hoping to play some VC games or watch Netflix in bed on the GamePad, and maybe rent the occasional release like ZombieU or Tank! Tank! Tank! I would not pay $300+ for the system, though. As was said, there's some potential, but it needs exclusive games and a big price drop.

Just my 2c. I hope things turn around, and I'm sure some people are loving the system. There are some cool features, and if there are games you want then that's a good enough reason to pick one up.

[Words iManifest]

I would say wait. Wait for some of these games to actually appear, by that time maybe Nintendo will reduce the price. I have one and dust it off once a week, not to play it, just to clean. I am looking really forward to the future but for now, keep saving.

[mailman187666]

I bought a Wii U on launch day. I played the crap out of it when I first got it, but now I don't really see many other games I want that I don't already have. I own Nintendo Land, Mario, and Scribblenaughts. I also downloaded a couple games as well. I've got to say I haven't played it since early January, because there hasn't been anything new that I want to play. Do I regret buying it on launch day? not at all, should I have waited on buying one? maybe.

The thing with me is that I buy every new console, and portable, on launch day. As long as its easily available on launch day that is. As long as I have the money for the next gen consoles, I'll be buying those on launch day as well. Just figured I'd give you my system buying habits so you know how to take my opinion. I just love gaming all around.

[The 1 2 P]

I slightly disagree. I think a holiday price cut ($300~$250 maybe $225) will put WiiU in the perfect sweet spot as "next-gen graphics" make certain PS4 and Xbox 720 won't come out of the gate dirt cheap ($400~$500) along side the release of NEW killer first party lineup (i.e. Mario, Zelda, Yoshi) on top of the games already release(d) in 2012/3 (NSMBU, ZombieU, Nintendoland, Lego City Undercover, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, etc.) plus the entire Wii library (given MS doesn't make 720 BC).

I also think a holiday price drop would help them greatly but sometimes these game publishers don't make the best decisions. Just look at Sony. The Vita is also not selling and now is the best time to drop the price before the next gen consoles launch and start taking mind share. But instead they chose to only drop the price in Japan, making sure that the Vita will continue to collect dust on store shelves for the forseeable future. Technically the Wii U sold so horribly in January(for a new system with no supply contraints) that they should have dropped the price right then and there. But they didn't and I have a feeling they are going to continue to wait until after their first big wave of first party releases hit the streets. So like I said in my first post, that could indeed be by this fall but I'm thinking it's more likely to happen next year.


I have one and dust it off once a week, not to play it, just to clean.

I think thats how alot of Wii U users have felt latelyLOL

[Ponyone]

I got one for christmas and love it. Zombiu is awesome. Really brought survival horror back, because its damn hard to survive, and can be quite intense and creepy once you really get into it. Awesome part is it plays online where during your adventure youll run into online player's characters that died and are now zombies and you can kill them and take all the stuff they had in their bag before they died. And you can see who has killed your characters, though that feature doesnt seem to work for me.

[ZP3]

I got one for christmas and love it. Zombiu is awesome. Really brought survival horror back, because its damn hard to survive, and can be quite intense and creepy once you really get into it. Awesome part is it plays online where during your adventure youll run into online player's characters that died and are now zombies and you can kill them and take all the stuff they had in their bag before they died. And you can see who has killed your characters, though that feature doesnt seem to work for me.

I'm not going to lie, that sounds awesome. Everything I have heard about ZombieU is that it is a fantastic game. Really looking forward to picking it up once I get the Wii U.

[MachineGex]

All these complaints remind me of the first Wii. When that came out everyone was saying how bad it was gonna fail, no games, etc. It took awhile, but I am pretty sure the Wii ended up doing pretty well. Too bad Rayman didnt come out on timefor the WiiU, that game is amazing. Played it at Nintendo's summer party in Denver and thought it was the best game in the line-up.

I tell you what, I will NOT be buying another MS product. A little over a year after buying the 360 and not playing it much.....booooom! It dies. I send it in, get it back......two years later Booom! It dies again. I have to send it back again, only this time I am stuck cuz I have a shit load of games and if it breaks I gotta buy another. Screw that, I will wait for Nintendo to release some games and take a look at the PS4, but I aint gonna give MS anymore $$$.

[WCP]

I agree with the comments about waiting for games and a price drop. What reason is there to buy one now?

Remember, the 3DS got a price drop from $250 to $170 I believe... within FOUR MONTHS of poor sales. WiiU sales in January were downright horrible, the Xbox360 sold 8x as many units in January I believe. The price drop is right around the corner, you'll see it before summer I bet.



I concur.


Nintendo knows how they saved the 3DS in America. It was Mario and Mario Kart, but you can't discount the price drop as well. It was that 1,2 punch of the big games and the price drop. Timing is everything. Nintendo is in a VERY precarius situation right now. Wii U projects are being cancelled left and right. They are probably under tremendous pressure from retailers that don't want to take up valuable shelf space on a product that isn't selling. I'm sure the same thing is happening with Vita, in regards to retail. Target and Wal-Mart and Best Buy and GameStop give the Wii U valuable shelf space in prime locations, in all their retail stores. They don't like having stock of a product just sitting there.

That is going to put some pressure on Nintendo. They probably felt the same pressure with the 3DS launch.


A price drop is absolutely mandatory, in addition to trying to get at least one really compelling game out. Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Lego City, those all might be great games, but I'm not sure those games are going to move the needle all that much. Especially with the high price. How soon is Mario Kart or the 3D Mario going to be ready? I thought I heard something about Mario Kart coming in August or something, but if nobody has seen a single screen shot of it, how can you expect it to be that far along ? That might be Nintendo's biggest problem. It's going to take them too long to get one of their huge franchise games out there.

[ProjectCamaro]

Like others have said I'm going to wait until a price drop and a better selection of games. I do buy pretty much all the consoles that come out but I also wait until their prices drop and more games come out. I'm in no hurry to pick one up right away so it won't be a problem waiting and even then I'll look on Craigslist and buy a used one in good condition for a great price.

I will say I think it's a great console and I look forward to buying one in the future. (Take my opinion with a grain of salt though as I like my Virtual Boy LOL)

[fluid_matrix]

May I ask why everybody thinks it needs a price drop? It will be the cheapest "current" gen system out once the PS4 and the 720 are released. I know many think a price drop will happen, but all I think it needs are some top quality games to back the system up. I just don't see a price drop happening this year. I could see a good bundle though possibly come Christmas time.

[danawhitaker]

May I ask why everybody thinks it needs a price drop? I will be the cheapest "current" gen system out once the PS4 and the 720 are released. I know many think a price drop will happen, but all I think it needs are some top quality games to back the system up. I just don't see a price drop happening this year. I could see a good bundle though possibly come Christmas time.

I don't think it necessarily needs to happen, but it's already happening here and there:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-04-asda-shears-50-off-wii-u-console-prices

Alternately, Ubisoft apparently feels it's needed:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/7/4074364/ubisoft-argues-for-wii-u-price-drop-to-help-game-sales

[fluid_matrix]

I don't think it necessarily needs to happen, but it's already happening here and there:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-04-asda-shears-50-off-wii-u-console-prices

Alternately, Ubisoft apparently feels it's needed:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/7/4074364/ubisoft-argues-for-wii-u-price-drop-to-help-game-sales

Just so people know, it was a honest question. I think the U just needs a few things.

1. The obvious answer, better games.
2. Better marketing. The launch was a flop. Many didn't even know there was a new Nintendo console. Some though it was just a peripheral for the old Wii.

[Rickstilwell1]

Just so people know, it was a honest question. I think the U just needs a few things.

1. The obvious answer, better games.
2. Better marketing. The launch was a flop. Many didn't even know there was a new Nintendo console. Some though it was just a peripheral for the old Wii.

Maybe they should release a cheaper unit that is not backward compatible with Wii and just call it the Nintendo U so it doesn't have Wii in its name. Then people would know it's a different system and use the excuse that the existing Wii U is called such because it is both a Nintendo Wii and a Nintendo U hybrid console model.

Maybe a bad idea but it's the only way I'd see them separating the old console from the new branding.

[danawhitaker]

Just so people know, it was a honest question. I think the U just needs a few things.

1. The obvious answer, better games.
2. Better marketing. The launch was a flop. Many didn't even know there was a new Nintendo console. Some though it was just a peripheral for the old Wii.

I read something a little while ago that said the Vita outsold the Wii U in Japan last month, but I'm sure there are other factors that might play into that. I do agree there need to be more games for the Wii U though. I don't really know anyone who was confused by the name though. Then again, most people I know that know anything about games are probably more interested than the average user.

The Wii U did comparably compared to the 360 and the PS3 during their respective launch and post-launch periods, but I know in another thread that argument was countered by someone mentioning a different economic climate at the time and differences in the availability of those consoles was also a factor that was mentioned. I still think it's possible the Wii U, because there's *not* a shortage, simply saturated the pool of early adopters of any new console, with a more punctuated burst of sales instead of a steady trickle of them as months go by.

[SOL BADGUY]

Maybe they should release a cheaper unit that is not backward compatible with Wii and just call it the Nintendo U so it doesn't have Wii in its name. Then people would know it's a different system and use the excuse that the existing Wii U is called such because it is both a Nintendo Wii and a Nintendo U hybrid console model.

Maybe a bad idea but it's the only way I'd see them separating the old console from the new branding.

Thats actually a horrible idea. Backwards compatibility is a great thing for Nintendo to have since apparently the PS4 isnt going to be compatible with PS3 game disks. Nintendo really did drop the ball on the marketing, and the name was the worst part. They should have maybe called it the Nintendo, technically the first console was the Nintendo Entertainment System. So they could have just called the The Nintendo. haha

Oh and can someone tell me why everyone is making such a big deal about how many units its selling after the christmas rush? It did well for a console so far. It doesnt have a lot of great games, because its only been out for 5 months. Are people just really impatient nowadays and expect a console to have 5 great crown jewels and sell 20 million units within half a year? Is the company going to go bankrupt within the year if the console doesnt somehow achieve the same sales the Wii did by the end of this year?

[The 1 2 P]

I read something a little while ago that said the Vita outsold the Wii U in Japan last month, but I'm sure there are other factors that might play into that.

In Japan their sales figures go week to week where as here in the US ours goes month to month. In the week following the Vita price drop announcement in Japan the Vita outsold the Wii U and I believe it outsold it the week after that. It hasn't outsold it a full month yet but it's only a matter of time.

I also agree with the people that said the Wii U's marketing sucked. It's a stupid name and I never saw any ads/publicity for it outside of reading news coverage on the internet. I've seen more ads for the PS4(following the conference) than I have for the Wii U. Granted they have all been in the form of youtube ads playing before videos but thats more than I've seen for the Wii U.

[kupomogli]

May I ask why everybody thinks it needs a price drop? It will be the cheapest "current" gen system out once the PS4 and the 720 are released. I know many think a price drop will happen, but all I think it needs are some top quality games to back the system up. I just don't see a price drop happening this year. I could see a good bundle though possibly come Christmas time.

So once the PS4 and NextBox are released the PS360 are going to just disappear? The Wii U might be the cheapest next gen console, but when the console itself isn't truly next gen, the people who own a PS360 are more than likely going to get one of the successors while those that aren't die hard Nintendo fans could get a Wii U, or get a cheaper PS360. There are a lot of people waiting for the generation to end before getting the current consoles.

Microsoft had to come out early and drop support of the original Xbox because they couldn't manufacture anymore. The same isn't going to happen with the 360, and we know the PS3 is going to last for another five to ten years. PS4, NextBox, and Wii U games are going to be ported to the PS360 as long as its possible for the games to be ran on the system and as long as the systems are still making them money. They're not just going to quit supporting them because the next consoles are out. With the Wii U and PS360 being closer in power and the Wii U gimmick being more than likely used as a map, menu system, etc, games that aren't on the new HD consoles are more than likely going to be multiconsole on the PS360 and Wii U.

So there's a problem with the Wii U. It's not as cheap as the consoles that are almost as powerful, more powerful, whatever the case is, and it's not nearly as powerful as the new consoles.

[Press_Start]

Oh and can someone tell me why everyone is making such a big deal about how many units its selling after the christmas rush? It did well for a console so far. It doesnt have a lot of great games, because its only been out for 5 months. Are people just really impatient nowadays and expect a console to have 5 great crown jewels and sell 20 million units within half a year? Is the company going to go bankrupt within the year if the console doesnt somehow achieve the same sales the Wii did by the end of this year?

Well to tell you the truth, the whole thing reeks of an anti-Nintendo tirade perpetrated by our resident Sony trollboys looking for any tried excuse to beat down on the WiiU just for the sake of doing so, if not, anything else. In fact, one of them dumped improving Vita numbers from Japan in the other WiiU thread implying that the console is "doomed", leaving out the handheld already had a horrible first year itself. Also ironically, their precious PS3, now 2nd place above the Xbox 360 in console sales, would be considered doomed since it too didn't have a stellar first two or three years. Under the same circumstances as the WiiU, worse. The lesson: slow starts are the new norm thanks to super-expensive development cost/time. First year sales are horrible indicators of a console's success and anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or hypocritical liar. My two cents.

[SOL BADGUY]

Well to tell you the truth, the whole thing reeks of an anti-Nintendo tirade perpetrated by our resident Sony trollboys looking for any tried excuse to beat down on the WiiU just for the sake of doing so, if not, anything else. In fact, one of them dumped improving Vita numbers from Japan in the other WiiU thread implying that the console is "doomed", leaving out the handheld already had a horrible first year itself. Also ironically, their precious PS3, now 2nd place above the Xbox 360 in console sales, would be considered doomed since it too didn't have a stellar first two or three years. Under the same circumstances as the WiiU, worse. The lesson: slow starts are the new norm thanks to super-expensive development cost/time. First year sales are horrible indicators of a console's success and anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or hypocritical liar. My two cents.

Thats what Im saying, the PS1 didnt do well till 2 years later when Final Fantasy 7 came out. Nintendo isnt in trouble. You should have seen their interactive area at the expo today. I played two 3DS games, and well the hting hurt my eyes so then I switched it off and made sure it was clicked and then I won a free WII U tshirt. I see it else where. 360 and PS3 fanboys use the "outdated/low grade" technology argument. Well, wait till the PS5 comes out and the graphics are the same as the PS4.

[PreZZ]

Im not trolling, I've bought every single nintendo console ever made. BUT I think Nintendo missed the opportunity to say to the core gamer "sorry, we F$%?&@ up! We want you back!" when they revealed Project Cafe by keeping the wii brand. To many gamers, wii meant past-gen hardware, kiddy (and soccer mom) focused shovelware library, gimmicky controls, ridiculous online features and no third party quality titles (and please dont start mentioning every single good game by third parties, I know them all but you get the point that major releases on ps360 were not released on wii). So far, wii U is EXACTLY the same, and I dont see nothing that will change this. Did we get all the latest, cool games released on ps3/360 lately? Tomb Raider, Crysis 3, Metal Gear, DMC, Dead Space 3... not a single one released on wii U. Even Ubisoft didnt believe in releasing an exclusive, completed ready to launch game (yes it was a dick move, but business wise I guess they realized it wasnt worth it) by delaying it for another 6 months and releasing it simultaneously on all consoles! So like it or not heres the news: I have the wii U and wish it can survive, but I know Nintendo has failed and the casual gamers wont save them this time. I would not be surprised if Sega cancelled Aliens, that delay was fishy.

[PreZZ]

Im not trolling, I've bought every single nintendo console ever made. BUT I think Nintendo missed the opportunity to say to the core gamer "sorry, we F$%?&@ up! We want you back!" when they revealed Project Cafe by keeping the wii brand. To many gamers, wii meant past-gen hardware, kiddy (and soccer mom) focused shovelware library, gimmicky controls, ridiculous online features and no third party quality titles (and please dont start mentioning every single good game by third parties, I know them all but you get the point that major releases on ps360 were not released on wii). So far, wii U is EXACTLY the same, and I dont see nothing that will change this. Did we get all the latest, cool games released on ps3/360 lately? Tomb Raider, Crysis 3, Metal Gear, DMC, Dead Space 3... not a single one released on wii U. Even Ubisoft didnt believe in releasing an exclusive, completed ready to launch game (yes it was a dick move, but business wise I guess they realized it wasnt worth it) by delaying it for another 6 months and releasing it simultaneously on all consoles! So like it or not heres the news: I have the wii U and wish it can survive, but I know Nintendo has failed and the casual gamers wont save them this time. I would not be surprised if Sega cancelled Aliens, that delay was fishy.

Also forgot to say Nintendo is not doing their job to get the same games ps3-360 mentionned above. I would have bought one for sure, my wii U is collecting dust since early december.

[SOL BADGUY]

Patience.

[kupomogli]

Well to tell you the truth, the whole thing reeks of an anti-Nintendo tirade perpetrated by our resident Sony trollboys looking for any tried excuse to beat down on the WiiU just for the sake of doing so, if not, anything else. In fact, one of them dumped improving Vita numbers from Japan in the other WiiU thread implying that the console is "doomed", leaving out the handheld already had a horrible first year itself.

My exact quote. "When the Vita sells more, you know your sales are low." That's clearly a knock towards both the Vita and the Wii U, not just the Wii U. I'll reinterpret that for you though. "When the worst selling system on the market sells more, you know your sales are low." Replace Vita with worst selling system on the market or anything else similar in concept. Replace Vita with anything else and it doesn't quite make sense. See. I'm not just trashing just the Wii U.


Also ironically, their precious PS3, now 2nd place above the Xbox 360 in console sales, would be considered doomed since it too didn't have a stellar first two or three years. Under the same circumstances as the WiiU, worse. The lesson: slow starts are the new norm thanks to super-expensive development cost/time. First year sales are horrible indicators of a console's success and anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or hypocritical liar. My two cents.

Who said anything about the Wii U being doomed. Poor sales does not equal doomed. Poor sales doesn't mean the console won't be successful. Poor sales is just what it sounds like. Poor sales. You know the original Wii had poor sales last month, right? Oh noes. The Wii is doomed!! See your logic?

Just because you're butthurt that your preferred console developers console is doing shit right now, don't try to spin a quote as bashing that Wii U alone. My preferred console right now might be the PS3, but it doesn't mean that I'm not eventually going to get a Wii U as one of my secondary consoles. You're an idiot if you think I want the Wii U to do poorly. I passed on the Wii but am eventually getting a Wii U for both Wii games and Wii U games. If Nintendo does well, that means that I get more games I may enjoy, hopefully exclusives since the Wii U won't be my multiconsole system of choice. Hell, WCP could tell you guys that I asked him what was the cheapest he saw the Wii U going for on Craigslist because I saw one cheap and was tempted to get it. I honestly want to spend $200 on a paperweight, that's the real reason I want the Wii U. Not because the games at all.

[Press_Start]

Just because you're butthurt that your preferred console developers console is doing shit right now, don't try to spin a quote as bashing that Wii U alone. My preferred console right now might be the PS3, but it doesn't mean that I'm not eventually going to get a Wii U as one of my secondary consoles. You're an idiot if you think I want the Wii U to do poorly. I passed on the Wii but am eventually getting a Wii U for both Wii games and Wii U games. If Nintendo does well, that means that I get more games I may enjoy, hopefully exclusives since the Wii U won't be my multiconsole system of choice. Hell, WCP could tell you guys that I asked him what was the cheapest he saw the Wii U going for on Craigslist because I saw one cheap and was tempted to get it. I honestly want to spend $200 on a paperweight, that's the real reason I want the Wii U. Not because the games at all.

Who're you fooling? You're the guy that called Nintendo Direct's an act of desperation. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165436-Slow-Wii-U-sales/page6&p=1949036#post1949036)

You're the guy who said the ZombieU ($500+) bundle for $389.99 was a crappy deal. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165436-Slow-Wii-U-sales&p=1951740&viewfull=1#post1951740)

Finally, you keep insistently and insipidly bringing up (unprovoked) how bad Wii U sales are......not once (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165436-Slow-Wii-U-sales&p=1948154&viewfull=1#post1948154)!
Not twice! (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165436-Slow-Wii-U-sales&p=1953184&viewfull=1#post1953184)
But three times. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165436-Slow-Wii-U-sales&p=1956268&viewfull=1#post1956268)

And you say I'm butthurt? Let me ask you something how many months do you think the Vita been out compared to Wii U? 14 to 3.

And how many games do you think are out right now on the Vita compared to WiiU? 53 to 26.

How many systems do you think has the Vita sold in the first 3 months compared to Wii U? 1,856,852(Vita) to 2,601,801(WiiU).
How many in US? 458,843(Vita) to 1,015,801(WiiU).
In Europe? 531,084(Vita) to 552,482(WiiU).
In Japan? 611,735(Vita) to 806,691(WiiU).

How many games do you think has the Vita sold in the same first 3 months compared to Wii U? 2,958,630(Vita) to 5,404,208(WiiU).
In US? 779,713(Vita) to 2,593,882(WiiU).
In Europe? 826,597(Vita) to 1,205,170(WiiU).
In Japan? 754,221(Vita) to 806,691(WiiU).

Oh and btw about that little boost the Vita got this week: 82,114(Vita) to 132,502(3DS).
In Japan: 60,897(Vita) to 77,572(3DS).
The price cut didn't help it beat the 3DS either.

A) I'm not the one butthurt here, you are.
B) Like the 3DS, the WiiU will have a price cut and many of Nintendo heavy hitters this time next year and it's going to sell like gangbusters and everyone's going to forget the early poor sales like yesterday's garbage. That was the whole point of my original post.
C) You are an anti-Nintendo fanboy. And....


You're just a hypocrite.

[WCP]

Im not trolling, I've bought every single nintendo console ever made

It's so unfortunate, that if you say anything even remotely negative about Nintendo in any way, shape or form, you're automatically considered a troll. I hate that shit. Nintendo defenders need to get over it. Everything Nintendo touches doesn't automatically turn to gold. Nintendo has to put their pants on, one leg at a time, like everybody else. They are not Gods. They can make mistakes, just like any other company.

[The 1 2 P]

It's so unfortunate, that if you say anything even remotely negative about Nintendo in any way, shape or form, you're automatically considered a troll. I hate that shit. Nintendo defenders need to get over it. Everything Nintendo touches doesn't automatically turn to gold. Nintendo has to put their pants on, one leg at a time, like everybody else. They are not Gods. They can make mistakes, just like any other company.

To be fair, theres also people like that who are just as anal, er....sensitive when people say negative stuff about Sony or Microsoft. Like they say, you can satisfy some of the people some of the time but you can't satisfy all of the people all of the time.

[Enmity]

I bought mine on release day and played through Mario U within the first few days. I haven't touched it since. My roommate uses tablet controller for web browsing nonstop, but in terms of gaming right now is king of useless unless you still play a lot of wii games. I does an OK job of making the Wii games look better on HDMI.

There mill most likely be a $50 price drop by the end of the year. I don't see it being any more then that though.

[kupomogli]

Who're you fooling? You're the guy that called Nintendo Direct's an act of desperation. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165436-Slow-Wii-U-sales/page6&p=1949036#post1949036)

I'm only stating a fact. They don't announce anything but Super Smash Bros U and that was during E3 prior to Wii U's release, but with the Wii U not selling to expectations they announce that they're working on a new 2D Mario, a new 3D Mario, a new Mario Kart, Fire Emblem x SMT, a new Yoshi game with video, a new Zelda, and Wind Waker HD with video, then they reannounced Super Smash Bros U. They listed all those titles, many without any media because they're desperate.


This time, the plan is a bit different from a regular Direct, in that I’ll be talking about what kind of Wii U titles and services Nintendo is developing

Why would Nintendo break from the norm if not for desperation. Most of those titles probably didn't even pass the concept phase other than "we need to announce games so people know they're coming out."


You're the guy who said the ZombieU ($500+) bundle for $389.99 was a crappy deal. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?165436-Slow-Wii-U-sales&p=1951740&viewfull=1#post1951740)

I didn't know it came with a Wii U Pro controller and I replied to the Adventurer's post about it. Nice try though.


Finally, you keep insistently and insipidly bringing up (unprovoked) how bad Wii U sales are......

This is a video game forum, the discussion is about video games. I'm just giving a monthly update whether the Wii U is still selling poorly or not. Not sure why you gathered Vita/Wii U information other than the fact that you're butt hurt. Everyone is well aware that the Vita has been the worst selling current console for the past 13 months.

If I didn't make my post clear enough, the quote was against both the Vita and the Wii U. The Vita having the worst current console sales in the past 13 months, including all the sales from the Wii U. The month the Vita launched the sales were still worse than the other consoles. The Wii U sales in one week, and one month if you were to add the numbers up, have dropped below the Vita sales. So against the worst selling system, the Wii U sales are less. Meaning the sales are poor. You get it now? Probably not. You're too stupid or too stubborn, or both. You don't want to admit that my post wasn't against just the Wii U, so you're bringing up whatever you can.

Got a question for you. Which of these three portable consoles might I play this game on?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/kupomogli/vita3dsxl_zps5af2f530.jpg

[goatdan]

I got one, and I half jokingly said that I felt dirty when I did. I got it because I wanted to have it for the MGC to run some tournaments on it. I wouldn't have picked it up otherwise, so I'm probably about as objective as can be for someone who owns the system. Here's what I really think about...

The tech is awesome. The tech itself is far better than what I expected it to be. The large screen and the way that it interacts with the TV is really cool, and it shows a lot of potential about what can be done. I love the fact that you can essentially "dumb down" some games and play them just on the controllers. I've done this multiple times when I've been checking it out already. Very cool.

On the flip side, it both barely has any games, and the games that it does have are really not that high profile. Nintendo Age seems like a mini-game tech demo. It has some really fun stuff on it, but it all reminds me of flash games. New Super Mario Bros U is the best "New" Mario game yet I think, and that is in single player without any of the brick laying opportunities and stuff that there is. The level design is just great, and it has a bit of the charm of SMB3 which I was really happy to see. I've also got Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing, which is supposed to be the best game on the system. It is outstanding, but it is about as outstanding as Sonic & Sega on the Xbox or whatever. It doesn't need the Wii U.

And that is the problem... the tech is amazing, but it is wholly unnecessary at the time. Like the Wii, no one has figured out how to take advantage of it. I think that they will eventually, unlike the Wii where I think it was never something developers actually figured out, but it sure isn't at that point yet. With new stuff coming out, unless they change that and quick, it's going to have a big problem.

And using the Wii U name was the stupidest decision. The Wii didn't have the greatest brand name - it sold TONS of systems, but didn't sell many games. I work at a middle school right now, and the majority of the students don't even realize it's a new console, they think it's a Wii update. It is really holding them back, and it is really their second totally stupid naming decision since the 3DS, which seems to confuse the parent segment of the audience at best which is a huge market for these types of things.

Unless you really want to play an outstanding Mario game, I'd wait until something niftier comes out in a few months.

[PreZZ]

I work at a middle school right now, and the majority of the students don't even realize it's a new console, they think it's a Wii update.

The fact that the console looks almost the same as the regular wii sure doesnt help. I dont remember a single console that launched that looked almost exactly the same as the previous, its just stupid. And its ugly too, it doesnt look "hi-tech", looks like the same old fisher price toy.

[WCP]

To be fair, theres also people like that who are just as anal, er....sensitive when people say negative stuff about Sony or Microsoft. Like they say, you can satisfy some of the people some of the time but you can't satisfy all of the people all of the time.

See, personally, I could talk major shit about all 3 companies. They all have their faults. Unless one owns shares of stock in one of the big 3, or unless one can only afford a single system, I just don't understand the whole fanboyism thing. If you own stock in a company, then obviously it makes sense to "root" for that company, because you have a vested interest in seeing the share price rise. If you don't own stock in the company, then why place it on a pedestal ? Sure, if they do something cool, enjoy it. If they fuck up, then come to terms with it. All 3 of the big companies have done some really good things, and some really horrbile things. We need to hold them all accountable for the good, and the bad. Why give any of them a free pass ?

Again, if you own stock, it's understandable to root for a specific one to dominate.


If you're a little kid, and you can only hope to get one of the three consoles, and you're going to be stuck with that specific console for at least 3 or 4 years, I can understand why you'd root for that console, and you'd probably overlook that consoles faults, and you'd also probably overinflate the successes of that company. It's only human nature.


However, if you're a full grown adult, and you don't own stock, then you really have no business being an unpaid corporate shill for any company. Each company should have to work hard to earn your support and praise. Each company should suffer their fair share of criticism, when it's well deserved.

[danawhitaker]

The fact that the console looks almost the same as the regular wii sure doesnt help. I dont remember a single console that launched that looked almost exactly the same as the previous, its just stupid. And its ugly too, it doesnt look "hi-tech", looks like the same old fisher price toy.

At least it doesn't take up half my shelf like my 360. The PS3 is huge too. I really appreciate the compactness of the Wii and Wii U.

The Wii is more boxy, while the Wii U has more rounded edges. The buttons are slightly different. It's black instead of white (unless you cheap out and get the lower version). You're just nitpicking. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. I'd much rather look at the Wii U than the original Xbox, any PS2, or any model of PS3 that's been released. Since when is "hi-tech" defined as giant and boxy?

[demen999]

I have the 32gb deluxe one and love it. I might be a bit biased because I love Nintendo but overall I think it's a great system, the only thing holding it back is the amount of games available from both 1st and 3rd party. I know it'll change soon so no worries over here.
We have it in the downstairs living room and I can take the gamepad upstairs to our bedroom and play WiiU mostly fine. The overall tech doesn't feel old or glitchy to me, only that the OS is a bit slow to respond and that is def not a power issue but a coding one. Miiverse is awesome and the (what I thought was useless before) forums are very cool, especially the drawings that others post and the liking system is easy. I still play my 360 and what I can in the MBP but anything that comes out new I am trying to get on the WiiU. There is also the increase in indie devs talking WiiU games lately.
Id say go for it.

[Bojay1997]

See, personally, I could talk major shit about all 3 companies. They all have their faults. Unless one owns shares of stock in one of the big 3, or unless one can only afford a single system, I just don't understand the whole fanboyism thing. If you own stock in a company, then obviously it makes sense to "root" for that company, because you have a vested interest in seeing the share price rise. If you don't own stock in the company, then why place it on a pedestal ? Sure, if they do something cool, enjoy it. If they fuck up, then come to terms with it. All 3 of the big companies have done some really good things, and some really horrbile things. We need to hold them all accountable for the good, and the bad. Why give any of them a free pass ?

Again, if you own stock, it's understandable to root for a specific one to dominate.


If you're a little kid, and you can only hope to get one of the three consoles, and you're going to be stuck with that specific console for at least 3 or 4 years, I can understand why you'd root for that console, and you'd probably overlook that consoles faults, and you'd also probably overinflate the successes of that company. It's only human nature.


However, if you're a full grown adult, and you don't own stock, then you really have no business being an unpaid corporate shill for any company. Each company should have to work hard to earn your support and praise. Each company should suffer their fair share of criticism, when it's well deserved.

I strongly agree.

[Polygon]

Console gaming is dying a slow death. I have little to no interest in the PS4 or the next X-Box as they are shaping up to be geared towards casual gamers and some really tight control on content. I think the Wii U us the opposite and is geared towards actual gamers. At least ones that are Nintendo fans. My one main gripe with the Wii U is the damn controller. I like it and it will most likely be the last console I buy unless things change. I honestly believe we're headed for another crash.

[ZP3]

Console gaming is dying a slow death. I have little to no interest in the PS4 or the next X-Box as they are shaping up to be geared towards casual gamers and some really tight control on content. I think the Wii U us the opposite and is geared towards actual gamers. At least ones that are Nintendo fans. My one main gripe with the Wii U is the damn controller. I like it and it will most likely be the last console I buy unless things change. I honestly believe we're headed for another crash.

There have been plenty of phenomenal console games released recently...

[Leo_A]

I've seen classic gamers routinely stating that we're heading towards the next crash ever since I first went online and found my first classic gaming forum back around 1997.

Hasn't happened yet.

[WCP]

I've seen classic gamers routinely stating that we're heading towards the next crash ever since I first went online and found my first classic gaming forum back around 1997.

Hasn't happened yet.

There are some interesting things going on right now that could make it a bit of a different story. Not for gaming overall, but for the console gaming market.


For the last 15 years, it's pretty much been all Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. There hasn't been anything else to threaten that trinity. Now you got Steam Box on the way, you have Ouya, you have Gamestik, you have the Nvidia Shield, Ipads, Ipod Touches...etc, etc.. What about Apple TV ? If Apple get's games working on their TV thing, it could be a totally different ballgame. Not a crash in the true sense of the word, but a dramatic redistribution of the wealth in the console space... The PS4, Xbox Infinity & Wii U could all be much more irrelevant in the grand scheme of things than console systems of the past.

[Polygon]

There are some interesting things going on right now that could make it a bit of a different story. Not for gaming overall, but for the console gaming market.


For the last 15 years, it's pretty much been all Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. There hasn't been anything else to threaten that trinity. Now you got Steam Box on the way, you have Ouya, you have Gamestik, you have the Nvidia Shield, Ipads, Ipod Touches...etc, etc.. What about Apple TV ? If Apple get's games working on their TV thing, it could be a totally different ballgame. Not a crash in the true sense of the word, but a dramatic redistribution of the wealth in the console space... The PS4, Xbox Infinity & Wii U could all be much more irrelevant in the grand scheme of things than console systems of the past.

This is part of the reason I believe it's going to crash. The other part is the fact that companies are doing more an more to alienate their customers. Not being able to play used games, DLC not transferring, digital distribution, needing to be online to play games, etc....

[Bojay1997]

This is part of the reason I believe it's going to crash. The other part is the fact that companies are doing more an more to alienate their customers. Not being able to play used games, DLC not transferring, digital distribution, needing to be online to play games, etc....

I don't see how this would logically lead to a crash unless you mean that the traditional video game players will collapse in much the same way that Atari did in the 80s. If that's what you mean by crash, then I agree that it is highly likely given the rapidly emerging competition from other companies already in the digital media space. I frankly think video games are going to continue to grow in popularity, but the ways they are played and purchased are going to fundamentally shift in ways that old line companies like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo simply can't adapt to in a profitable way.

[kupomogli]

This is part of the reason I believe it's going to crash. The other part is the fact that companies are doing more an more to alienate their customers. Not being able to play used games, DLC not transferring, digital distribution, needing to be online to play games, etc....

Aside from digital there's none of that on the next gen consoles. Maybe DLC not transferring, but that's a non issue when the consoles aren't bc to begin with. DLC is tied to an account on current consoles and can be transferred to other current consoles that use the same account. So same console to console it's transferable.

[SOL BADGUY]

Console gaming is dying a slow death. I have little to no interest in the PS4 or the next X-Box as they are shaping up to be geared towards casual gamers

Home TV consoles as they were in the 90's is dying, but thats because of the console makers turning them into low grade PCs. But your last sentence I am quoting I cant agree with since they arent out yet, and you have no idea what the systems libraries are yet.


The last thing I over heard on at the Nintendo booth at the gaming expo were these guys who I think were older than me, and they were just saying how the hardware wasnt good enough for them, but the games were nice to look at..........What I think if I cut through the words of people who say the WII U isnt good enough on the hardware side may be kinda thinking is "why should I buy this new console when there the Wii" Well, most likely these people will think that when they see new games on the PS3 and new games on the PS4.

I dont like the video screen on the controller since theres the tv turned on at the same time, but when we can play our games while someone else watches tv, so thats the great justification for it. Nintendo when you think of it has always made weird controllers. the NES and SNES controllers were always weird compared to other controllers out there. But people didnt start hating them til lthe N64 one, I like it though and I was surprised so many people dont.

[nickerous]

Bought my Wii U on launch day and have enjoyed it for what it is right now. I bought Super Mario and Assassin's Creed and received Darksiders 2 as a Christmas gift. I really like the off-tv play on the controller. Games look better on the gamepad than they do on my tv to me. That said, I haven't played it near as much as the 3ds I bought on launch day. Even when I only had Street Fighter 4, I played the 3ds constantly.

As for upcoming games, Lego City Undercover is the only one on my radar and I won't get it until it hits $25 or less. Pikmin has never interested me, but I would have bought Rayman Legends immediately. Now, I probably won't get it in September because of other things going on (vacation and football). I do hope that Nintendo has something special lined up for e3. They need more than what they have shown so far. And, I am not talking about life of the console games, I am talking about this year. They need more for this year than what has been shown.

[ZP3]

Bought my Wii U on launch day and have enjoyed it for what it is right now. I bought Super Mario and Assassin's Creed and received Darksiders 2 as a Christmas gift. I really like the off-tv play on the controller. Games look better on the gamepad than they do on my tv to me. That said, I haven't played it near as much as the 3ds I bought on launch day. Even when I only had Street Fighter 4, I played the 3ds constantly.

As for upcoming games, Lego City Undercover is the only one on my radar and I won't get it until it hits $25 or less. Pikmin has never interested me, but I would have bought Rayman Legends immediately. Now, I probably won't get it in September because of other things going on (vacation and football). I do hope that Nintendo has something special lined up for e3. They need more than what they have shown so far. And, I am not talking about life of the console games, I am talking about this year. They need more for this year than what has been shown.

I'm thinking that the release of HD Windwaker, Rayman Legends, and (Fingers crossed) A 3D Mario game will really bolster the sales of the Wii U.

[nickerous]

Maybe so, but what will carry the system till the fall? Lego City? Pikmin? Im really hoping EA will release NCAA Football for the Wii U and Take Two will release the next wwe game on wii U. That would help until the fall. For me, anyway.

Also, I own Wind Waker for Gamecube. Nintendo better have a sweet preorder bonus if they want me to fork out another $50-60. Anyone remember the gamecube preorder bonus for wind waker? It was that Ocarina of Time master quest disc. Something along those lines would go a long way, I believe.

[Rob2600]

It doesnt have a lot of great games, because its only been out for 5 months.

November 18, 2012 to March 11, 2013 = 5 months? Nope.

As of today, the Wii U has only been out 3.75 months.

[ZP3]

Nintendo gets hate for not pushing games out fast enough, but I feel like if they rushed to push out one of their big franchises before the system got its launch kinks out, that people would cry foul as well. There is no win-win situation here for the big N.

[bb_hood]

Nintendo gets hate for not pushing games out fast enough,

This happens with every video game system when its new. The systems always get rushed out, usually to meet the demand of an upcoming holiday season.

[Tanooki]

Well you know whose fault that is with the gaming droughts time and again with system releases? Gamers and the media together. People were just fine and happy when stuff like SNES and N64 came out with just a couple games or so, and then every few weeks or something a trickle of more and more would come out at a steady pace. Now it's all about the media whining and gamers being sucked in coupled with their ADHD kicking in thinking you need a dozen or two dozen games at launch or launch window (30~days) or the launch is a failure. Dare come out with just a few games and you're not prepared, a failure, not catering to your fans, cutting out various bases of players into X genre, and so on.

You can't win, you can't lose. So, to deal with all the whiny ADHD behavior and the media you get these blowouts that clean out the pockets of the console maker and many third parties who want to rush to get all those launch system gaming dollars and holiday hype money too around those launch dates. Then everyone realizes wow we got all this stuff, and now it's dead for like 6-9months and piss and whine like babies. They don't realize their own behaviors caused it because you can't just pull a game out of your ass, it takes months, sometimes many years to fashion a game from start to finish. The companies put all this work into a game or two and have others in the pipe but they'll have a hold or minimal team to get everyone on the launch. The stalled and slowed titles after completion of the pushed to launch title pick up the next and it gets done when it gets done.

[Leo_A]

I can assure you that complaints were widespread in the early months of the N64 about the slow pace of releases.

[Bojay1997]

I can assure you that complaints were widespread in the early months of the N64 about the slow pace of releases.

Yep. Just because the Internet wasn't the force it is today in social media didn't mean that magazines and word of mouth didn't form a similar substitute.

[ZP3]

Yep. Just because the Internet wasn't the force it is today in social media didn't mean that magazines and word of mouth didn't form a similar substitute.

And there wasn't someone like Michael Patcher running rampant.

[BydoEmpire]

I can assure you that complaints were widespread in the early months of the N64 about the slow pace of releases.Sure there were complaints about slow releases, but there are many differences:

1) some of the games that did came out were absolutely stunning: Mario 64, Wave Race 64, etc.
2) the outlook for 3rd party support for the lifetime of the console was much, much better.
3) the hardware was a generational jump
4) the traditional console business was in a stronger position relative to competing platforms

I bought an N64 at launch - the first console I ever preordered - and I couldn't have been happier with it. You don't need a million games at launch, you need one or two "oh my God, I absolutely need to get this" games mixed with "wow, there's a lot of cool-looking stuff on the horizon."

[kupomogli]

1) some of the games that did came out were absolutely stunning: Mario 64, Wave Race 64, etc

Graphically, Mario 64 was stunning, but I'm one of those who don't think it's a very good game. Poor controls, different miniature fetch quests in the same small levels, etc. Wave Race 64 was good graphically and was a fun game, though.


2) the outlook for 3rd party support for the lifetime of the console was much, much better.

The third party support for the N64 was worse than both the Gamecube's and Wii's support. The Wii U has only been out for about four months so can't really say whether or not support for the console is worse or not.


I bought an N64 at launch - the first console I ever preordered - and I couldn't have been happier with it. You don't need a million games at launch, you need one or two "oh my God, I absolutely need to get this" games mixed with "wow, there's a lot of cool-looking stuff on the horizon."

Yeah, but if you didn't like Mario 64 or Pilot Wings then you were out of luck. You would have had to deal with it until those better games came along.

[Bojay1997]

And there wasn't someone like Michael Patcher running rampant.

Actually, analysts have been around since the beginning of the game industry in the United States. The general public may have been unaware of their guidance, but investors and corporate boards sure based decisions about it that were frankly very destructive to companies like Atari.

[BydoEmpire]

Graphically, Mario 64 was stunning, but I'm one of those who don't think it's a very good game. Poor controls, different miniature fetch quests in the same small levels, etc. Wave Race 64 was good graphically and was a fun game, though.We're talking about the market in general, not your individual taste. By all accounts, Mario 64 was a huge game and smash hit. If you didn't like Mario 64 (or Pilot Wings), yeah, not much reason to pick up an n64 early on. No disagreement there.


The third party support for the N64 was worse than both the Gamecube's and Wii's support.I think that's extremely debatable for the GC, and just not true for the Wii, but regardless, I specifically said "outlook." At the n64 launch and early in its life there wasn't much indication 3rd party support would trail off. It was certainly the start of Nintendo's problems in that area, but you still had most of the major players making their major games on the platform - EA, Midway, Acclaim, Rare, Capcom, etc. To restate it, my point was that at and around launch, nobody just assumed the n64 wouldn't have support - not gamers, not 3rd parties. Nintendo was such a big player 3rd party support was assumed. And there were great 3rd party titles. It certainly trailed off during the console's life time, and some players like Square weren't there, but nobody came into that system saying "there's not going to be many games." You can't say that about the Wii U (or even the Wii to some extent, although I think the Wii had some great 3rd party games).

[kupomogli]

I also assumed third party support would follow from SNES to N64 but that's not the way things happened. As you mentioned Squaresoft wasn't even on the system, but Capcom didn't release it's first game on the N64 until very late in the systems life(1999,) and even then they only released three games. Many of the same publishers have shown more support on the Wii.

All of the big multiconsole games for the PS360. It's true the games aren't as good looking or as good as on the Wii, whenever they're released, but that doesn't change the fact that these games are also on the Wii. There are a lot that the Wii doesn't get, but then they do also get a lot of exclusives. If you take shovelware developers into account, the Wii destroys the N64 when it comes to third party support, but even without the shovelware developers and you take only the known developers, the Wii was still the more supported console. A lot of the well known developers like Activision, Ubisoft, and EA have a ton of shovelware themselves on the system, but whether the game is good or not, it's still showing the console support.

[Leo_A]

I wasn't claiming that the situation was the same with the Wii U and N64. I simply disagree that consumers didn't mind the long drought of new releases after the N64's launch. People were as annoyed by it then as they are today.

And if you think most of Super Mario 64 was fetch quest, you never played many 3D platformers. Beyond a 100 coin star and a 8 red coin star in each world, the vast majority of the game was goal oriented with actual tasks beyond just collecting random things scattered throughout a 3D world.

The average 3D platformer seems to have the opposite percentages. Most of the game is a fetch quest with actual tasks to complete representing just a fraction of the experience.

[kupomogli]

And if you think most of Super Mario 64 was fetch quest, you never played many 3D platformers. Beyond a 100 coin star and a 8 red coin star in each world, the vast majority of the game was goal oriented with actual tasks beyond just collecting random things scattered throughout a 3D world.

The average 3D platformer seems to have the opposite percentages. Most of the game is a fetch quest with actual tasks to complete representing just a fraction of the experience.

Just because you don't collect 100 coins and eight red coins for a single star doesn't mean it's not a collect-a-thon. You do menial tasks in the same ridiculously small location until you get enough stars to move onto the next location. There are so many times you have to pass up where you got a previous star or do nothing more than go one extra step to get the next one, that the idea behind the restarting the stage each time is nothing more than artificially increasing the playtime. Some stars require you to restart, but they could allow it for you to have a choice if you want to leave once acquiring the star or not.

With Mario 64, on the first level alone. Fight King Bobomb at the top of the mountain. Race to the very same mountain top you fought King Bobomb. Let the chomp you've passed twice free. Stomp all the wooden pillars down that's right next to the very start, etc. Off the top of my head I don't know the rest, but aside from getting 100 coins and eight red coins, you could very well complete everything within five minutes if not for the fact that you are thrown back to the castle after each objective.

There are other 3D platformers out there that require you to collect items in order to proceed, but they do it where it doesn't detract from the game. Croc and Jak and Daxter for example. Croc, you collect crystals in order to open the door to complete the stage and the only time you need to replay any of the level is if you died and had a need to restart. In order to complete the game in Jak and Daxter you need a certain amount of power cells on three separate occasions. Going through each area and going from the beginning to the end, collecting what you pass will give you enough power cells to complete the game. Even if you were to collect everything, you only need to go to each area once, and only on one occasion do you need to go back and forth across one of the areas to connect the beams. So on both games you're constantly covering new area in the game and not tracing your steps over the same area again and again.

Then there are games like Crash Bandicoot and Gurumin where collecting is optional. If you didn't want to do any collecting in the game yet still complete the game, you could.

Then there are games like Nightmare Creatures, Soul Reaver, Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2, Legacy of Kain Defiance, Castlevania 64, Legacy of Darkness, Lament of Innocence, 3D Ys games, etc, where the only items you have to collect are key items, usually only at the very end of the stage, if you even have to collect anything in the first place.