What's your opinion on collecting sealed games or collecting for the sake of collecting

[needler420]

I know how this community feels about the VGA and the process and was wondering what do you think of people who collect sealed games or collect knowing that they will never play the games as there isn't enough time.

It seems some of these collectors play a game of commercialism rather then actually playing the video games themselves. Like it's become a bragging hobby. Who ever has the most income and the most disposable with the rarest and best stuff wins.

I bought this up because I seen a post from another site where someone had about 300 or so PSP games and half of them were sealed. The part that was stupid to me IMO was that person said he probably was never going to open them or play them.

That persons theory was I shouldn't care how someone else spends their money. Which is true. I went on to explain the silly concept about his collecting habits but someone is going to do what they want with their own money, I get that. I'm just wondering if anyone else thinks this concept is stupid like me.

People nowadays shop for video games more then they are playing them. Then they play pac-man for one hour a week and call themselves a hardcore gamer just beacuse they own a lot of video games.


IMO a hardcore gamer is the dude that comes to your house and plays one of your sealed games that's sitting on your shelf for years. Neither person have played the game before. And the person who owns the game gets their ass kicked by someone who's never even heard of the game. That guy that beats your high score 10/10 times and you can never beat his score or beat him in a particular game. That is the hardcore gamer to me.

When I think "hardcore" I think Billy Mitchell and hot sauce. Not some guy with a good income that can afford to buy a lot of games they are never going to play.

[Bojay1997]

I know how this community feels about the VGA and the process and was wondering what do you think of people who collect sealed games or collect knowing that they will never play the games as there isn't enough time.

It seems some of these collectors play a game of commercialism rather then actually playing the video games themselves. Like it's become a bragging hobby. Who ever has the most income and the most disposable with the rarest and best stuff wins.

I bought this up because I seen a post from another site where someone had about 300 or so PSP games and half of them were sealed. The part that was stupid to me IMO was that person said he probably was never going to open them or play them.

That persons theory was I shouldn't care how someone else spends their money. Which is true. I went on to explain the silly concept about his collecting habits but someone is going to do what they want with their own money, I get that. I'm just wondering if anyone else thinks this concept is stupid like me.

People nowadays shop for video games more then they are playing them. Then they play pac-man for one hour a week and call themselves a hardcore gamer just beacuse they own a lot of video games.


IMO a hardcore gamer is the dude that comes to your house and plays one of your sealed games that's sitting on your shelf for years. Neither person have played the game before. And the person who owns the game gets their ass kicked by someone who's never even heard of the game. That guy that beats your high score 10/10 times and you can never beat his score or beat him in a particular game. That is the hardcore gamer to me.

When I think "hardcore" I think Billy Mitchell and hot sauce. Not some guy with a good income that can afford to buy a lot of games they are never going to play.

Why does it matter? Do you go around seeking validation for the fact that you are a particular kind of collector or gamer? There are always going to be people richer than you, people who care about different things than you do and who lead their lives in ways you don't agree with. There is absolutely no point in spending even a second thinking about it. It has no impact on your life in any way.

[Parodius Duh!]

I use to be really against it but now I just dont care, people collect all sorts of stupid shit for even stupider reasons. Theres plenty of games to go around, loose and sealed. I buy new/sealed ps1 games and open them just because Im insane about disc condition and dont want a single mark on my disc games, It feels great to open up a 12+ year old game and get that nice whiff of brand newness. I just absolutely despise the asshats that get a common sealed game graded at like VGA 90 and think its now worth $500 when ungraded its worth about $40, those people are a disease upon game collecting.

[recorderdude]

The problem with game collecting as a whole by now is that people are trying to turn a single hobby into an industry (e.g., VGA). That will *never* work due to the fact that specialty collectors, as well as collectors as a whole aren't going to buy every game for its value (hell, most of us just frequent thrifts) and trying to make retro game collecting more about the profits than the games will only make the hobby die out faster.

[treismac]

I suppose my only gripe against sealed game collectors and collectors for the sake of collecting is that they more than likely drive up the asking price of video games I want to actually play rather than seal up like they were Han Solo at Jabba's pad. Other than that, whatever. There are far worse problems in other subcultures. I mean, hell, have you ever actually encountered a VGA collector in real life? I know I haven't.

[Atarileaf]

The argument that never made sense to me is when video game collecting is compared to something as mundane as say, stamp or baseball card collecting - items that by their very nature are collectibles who's only value is in viewing and displaying them. Video games are not static objects, they're interactive and thus are meant to be played.

I agree that "to each their own" however my opinion is that its a waste to collect video games that will never be played.

[recorderdude]

The argument that never made sense to me is when video game collecting is compared to something as mundane as say, stamp or baseball card collecting - items that by their very nature are collectibles who's only value is in viewing and displaying them. Video games are not static objects, they're interactive and thus are meant to be played.

I agree that "to each their own" however my opinion is that its a waste to collect video games that will never be played.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. It's like buying a hard-to-find movie you've always wanted to see but never watching it. If you collect sealed games and never play them, though, at LEAST play the games you buy in emulators or something, though that sort of undermines the whole point of collecting in the first place.

[Jack_Burton_BYOAC]

When I think of "hardcore gamer" I think of a silly term that is completely meaningless.

[Bojay1997]

The argument that never made sense to me is when video game collecting is compared to something as mundane as say, stamp or baseball card collecting - items that by their very nature are collectibles who's only value is in viewing and displaying them. Video games are not static objects, they're interactive and thus are meant to be played.

I agree that "to each their own" however my opinion is that its a waste to collect video games that will never be played.

Video games, at least physical release video games, are not inherently interactive nor are they meant to be anything other than a consumer product. They are just a piece of code copied onto some physical medium and packaged in either a box or a case for retail distribution.

The problem with your argument is that logically that would mean that nobody should collect anything but loose games or maybe just loose games and instruction manuals. Clearly, many collectors think the box and other materials are important. I fail to see any difference between collecting a box or inserts and a sealed game.

I also fail to see the difference between collecting sealed and collectors that have massive collections and can't possibly spend very long playing each game or maybe only play a game once and then never play it again and yet keep the game in their collection. The point is that there is no right or wrong way to collect and while you might think collecting anything other than what you'll play is a waste, for others it clearly isn't a waste.

[ProjectCamaro]

I don't understand it and will personally not buy a sealed game unless I get it for a good deal and can either turn around and sell it for a profit or open it up and play it. I have been building my collection lately but everything I own works and is meant to be played. I have friends come over for "retro night" where all we play are the retro consoles and games and don't touch the new consoles or computers.
I do have a larger collection than I could honestly play through but part of that is I buy in bulk when I can save a ton of money plus I enjoy having my brother's kids over and seeming them get excited when they see all the games and know they can play any one of them they want. They seem to enjoy the raw selection of games over the games themselves.

[needler420]

Video games, at least physical release video games, are not inherently interactive nor are they meant to be anything other than a consumer product. They are just a piece of code copied onto some physical medium and packaged in either a box or a case for retail distribution.

The problem with your argument is that logically that would mean that nobody should collect anything but loose games or maybe just loose games and instruction manuals. Clearly, many collectors think the box and other materials are important. I fail to see any difference between collecting a box or inserts and a sealed game.

I also fail to see the difference between collecting sealed and collectors that have massive collections and can't possibly spend very long playing each game or maybe only play a game once and then never play it again and yet keep the game in their collection. The point is that there is no right or wrong way to collect and while you might think collecting anything other than what you'll play is a waste, for others it clearly isn't a waste.


VGA collectors think they are sane when everyone else thinks they're insane. If you don't care what others think about you I suppose in theory you'd be right. You'd be surprised at how many people care and get butthurt about it though because they do care what others think.

[Ed Oscuro]

VGA is dumb because they're asking way beyond what the market will sustain, there's little call for the "service," and the biggest sticking point is there aren't very many widely read referees on game prices or grading. It's a bit much to ask them to be honest but their interest is in distorting the market with their very questionable "value add."

Investing in games is fine, but I'm here for playing games and I don't feel bad saying so. I do have a few games sealed still, and I won't open really rare stuff just to prove a point (because that could hurt my wallet) but it's not some kind of crime against humanity when a game is opened and played (or at least checked to make sure there's actually a game inside and not a dead Twinkie).

[Bojay1997]

VGA collectors think they are sane when everyone else thinks they're insane. If you don't care what others think about you I suppose in theory you'd be right. You'd be surprised at how many people care and get butthurt about it though because they do care what others think.

I don't think "everyone" thinks anything about anyone. There are a small handful of people on Internet forums like this one that have personal insecurities about their own situation in life that spend a substantial amount of time thinking about and obsessing about what other gamers and/or collectors do. I mean I can understand if someone has an opinion about things they have control over or which have a direct impact on their life. Heck, I can even understand people being involved in debate and taking action on larger social problems that have an impact on society as a whole and may have an impact on individuals as tax payers or citizens. This isn't one of those things. This is just someone being so insecure about their own choices and preferences in life that they have to repeatedly keep raising this same lame argument about how people who don't do something their way are stupid or not "true" gamers or collectors or whatever. It's really pretty sad.

[needler420]

I don't think "everyone" thinks anything about anyone. There are a small handful of people on Internet forums like this one that have personal insecurities about their own situation in life that spend a substantial amount of time thinking about and obsessing about what other gamers and/or collectors do. I mean I can understand if someone has an opinion about things they have control over or which have a direct impact on their life. Heck, I can even understand people being involved in debate and taking action on larger social problems that have an impact on society as a whole and may have an impact on individuals as tax payers or citizens. This isn't one of those things. This is just someone being so insecure about their own choices and preferences in life that they have to repeatedly keep raising this same lame argument about how people who don't do something their way are stupid or not "true" gamers or collectors or whatever. It's really pretty sad.

Why do you have to have control over a situation to have an opinion about it? I can have an opinion on anything and I think VGA collectors and sealed game collectors are foolish.

[treismac]

They seem to enjoy the raw selection of games over the games themselves.

There is something to be said for having a vast selection of games at your disposal to play, isn't there? :)

[recorderdude]

I'll say one thing about having a lot of games; Having almost 100 games for the genesis alone, it takes fucking forever to decide what to play :P

[Bojay1997]

Why do you have to have control over a situation to have an opinion about it? I can have an opinion on anything and I think VGA collectors and sealed game collectors are foolish.

Great, but why spend the time and energy in creating a whole thread about it? If you're so secure and sure of your opinion, it seems like it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks. I suspect the truth is that you're not secure about your opinion and you may be jealous of other collectors or gamers and instead of facing what may be going wrong in your own life to make you feel that way, you have chosen the anonymity of an Internet forum to attack others who have no actual impact on your life whatsoever.

I would never have a game graded or buy a VGA game because it's not of any interest to me. Having said that, I understand there are some collectors who like the service VGA provides, which is fine. I don't think other collectors regardless of their particular focus are foolish and I can only imagine how painful and empty your life must be if you constantly sit and judge the things other collectors do with their time and money.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

I admit I personally will never play most of my games but my best friend plays and I also collect for history preservation just like with everything else I collect. I never plan to sell and I do have sealed games. The people who buy 3 copies planning to get paid later are a joke. Like people who bought 100 copies of the death of Superman.

[Sysop]

I'll say one thing about having a lot of games; Having almost 100 games for the genesis alone, it takes fucking forever to decide what to play :P
I have to agree with you there, it just gives you the feeling of going into a video game store and picking out a game which you wanted to play without knowing how the game plays like.

[Rejinx]

When I think "hardcore" I think Billy Mitchell and hot sauce.

Can I put this in my sig?

This should be the quote on the box for King of Kong.

[LimitedEditionMuseum]

Why do you have to have control over a situation to have an opinion about it? I can have an opinion on anything and I think VGA collectors and sealed game collectors are foolish.

You also have to realize that people who collect stamps might think collecting video games of any type is foolish. The only thing that bothers me about game collecting is how some collectors really lie about how little they paid for certain things.

[needler420]

Can I put this in my sig?

This should be the quote on the box for King of Kong.



Sure can. I'd be honored to be in a sig about Billy Mitchell.


You also have to realize that people who collect stamps might think collecting video games of any type is foolish. The only thing that bothers me about game collecting is how some collectors really lie about how little they paid for certain things.

What's worse then that imo is when they lie about beating a game or in game achievement or lie about a high score etc. I've seen my fair share of grown people who won't only lie about it for whatever reason some of them even go out the way to hack PS3 trophies and xbox achievements.

A good example is in the movies with Billy Mitchell someone lies about beating his official score and it gets accepted. Years later the truth is revleaed and Billy is crowned the record holder again. The person that lies about it was a blue collar married middle aged man. The least type of person you'd expect to do something like that.

[bb_hood]

What's worse then that imo is when they lie about beating a game or in game achievement or lie about a high score etc. I've seen my fair share of grown people who won't only lie about it for whatever reason some of them even go out the way to hack PS3 trophies and xbox achievements.


And this bothers you why???
If you are such a hardcore gamer, why the hell do you care what other people collect, or that other people lie about high scores. Id think a true 'hardcore gamer' would shut the fuck up and play video games instead of whining about others..

[needler420]

And this bothers you why???
If you are such a hardcore gamer, why the hell do you care what other people collect, or that other people lie about high scores. Id think a true 'hardcore gamer' would shut the fuck up and play video games instead of whining about others..



Maybe you lie about what you play also just like that middle aged man that tried to lie about beating Billy Mitchells score on pac-man.

I mean how is the standard for being a hardcore gamer to STFU? At least try to make a practical realistic standard for being a hardcore gamer instead of coming off so butthurt.


And for the record I care a whole lot when people lie about scores and it affects leaderboards and tournaments and contests and even in Billy Mitchells case it affects the stealing of his title of "hardcore" I have integrity when it comes to my hobby. Nowadays with major league gaming cheating can be a serious thing for some people.

[bb_hood]

lol you're one of those people I talk about. I seen your kingsfield collection.

What? I dont even know what kingsfield is. You've never seen my collection, I don't collect sealed games. Im not hurt, I just think your opinion is retarded.

[bb_hood]

And for the record I care a whole lot when people lie about scores and it affects leaderboards and tournaments and contests and even in Billy Mitchells case it affects the stealing of his title of "hardcore" I have integrity when it comes to my hobby.

Why dont you just marry Billy Mitchell already, I think you two will make a great couple

[gameofyou]

People may collect sealed games because they appreciate the artwork on the boxes. Or they may collect sealed games as an investment. Or maybe a combination of both. It doesn't bother me a bit. Its actually a little hard to believe that anyone would be bothered by it.

[needler420]

People may collect sealed games because they appreciate the artwork on the boxes. Or they may collect sealed games as an investment. Or maybe a combination of both. It doesn't bother me a bit. Its actually a little hard to believe that anyone would be bothered by it.

I'm not bothered by it unless like others stated it directly affects me. Such as play Canada with Ni No kuni. I find it how funny how hypocritical some of you are. You'll make bashing comments about the VGA and it's fundamentals in the thread VGA reaches a new low. But on sealed games some of you are hypocrites.

The only time it would bother me is when collectors inflate the price. Specially on retro games where it's not like you even get a chance to get it from the start. The market is heavily influenced by collectors.

[Polygon]

I honestly think that collecting anything and not using it as intended is stupid. That's just my opinion. In the end, I couldn't care less if someone wants to collect video games just to look at them. If that makes them happy, so be it.

[spman]

Can someone explain to me what the purpose is of buying sealed games for 3DS, XBox 360, PS3, etc. that are still available new in stores, getting them graded as a VGA 10, and then trying to sell them for hundreds of dollars on eBay? No shit your copy of Ocarina of Time 3D is VGA 10, so is every single copy sitting on the shelf at Target, what makes yours so special?

[Bojay1997]

Can someone explain to me what the purpose is of buying sealed games for 3DS, XBox 360, PS3, etc. that are still available new in stores, getting them graded as a VGA 10, and then trying to sell them for hundreds of dollars on eBay? No shit your copy of Ocarina of Time 3D is VGA 10, so is every single copy sitting on the shelf at Target, what makes yours so special?

I don't have any graded games, nor do I want any, but most retail games new in the box are not a VGA100. Shelf wear, damage from handling in shipping or at retail and manufacturing defects result in many modern games only being 85 or so. My understanding is that there is a subset of VGA collectors looking for truly perfect copies and thus are willing to pay for a VGA 95 or 100 grade.

[jonebone]

Current Generation on a store shelf is probably 90 to 90+ to the untrained eye, and could be worst if there are store stickers or heavy scuffing. I'd say 95 is the bottom of acceptable grades on the current gen and 95+ and up are extremely nice copies.

But back on topic, where do CIB collectors who want sealed copies of their favorites fit in? Why am I not allowed to do that? I have a CIB copy available if I ever feel the need to play, and a sealed copy that shows my dedication to the series.

I get tired of the stupid stereotypes that cart collectors are gamers and that sealed collectors are pure collectors who don't care about gaming. Both sets have plenty of overlap.

And besides, you think the people with 1500+ carts are playing those everyday? You can only play games so often once you have adult responsibilities like a job, a wife, a home, kids, family, etc. My "hardcore gaming" days died long ago and I'm okay with that... it's a byproduct of growing up.

[SOL BADGUY]

I dont have a problem with people who collect to collect, even if they buy a sealed game so they can have it to be worth more in the future, thats a nice little investment maybe. Theres emulation so by keep these games locked away from being played it isnt like youre robbing someone else of ever experiencing it. They should call themselves hardcore game collectors, not gamer if they dont play games.

[wiggyx]

I know how this community feels about the VGA and the process and was wondering what do you think of people who collect sealed games or collect knowing that they will never play the games as there isn't enough time.

It seems some of these collectors play a game of commercialism rather then actually playing the video games themselves. Like it's become a bragging hobby. Who ever has the most income and the most disposable with the rarest and best stuff wins.

I bought this up because I seen a post from another site where someone had about 300 or so PSP games and half of them were sealed. The part that was stupid to me IMO was that person said he probably was never going to open them or play them.

That persons theory was I shouldn't care how someone else spends their money. Which is true. I went on to explain the silly concept about his collecting habits but someone is going to do what they want with their own money, I get that. I'm just wondering if anyone else thinks this concept is stupid like me.

People nowadays shop for video games more then they are playing them. Then they play pac-man for one hour a week and call themselves a hardcore gamer just beacuse they own a lot of video games.


IMO a hardcore gamer is the dude that comes to your house and plays one of your sealed games that's sitting on your shelf for years. Neither person have played the game before. And the person who owns the game gets their ass kicked by someone who's never even heard of the game. That guy that beats your high score 10/10 times and you can never beat his score or beat him in a particular game. That is the hardcore gamer to me.

When I think "hardcore" I think Billy Mitchell and hot sauce. Not some guy with a good income that can afford to buy a lot of games they are never going to play.



You mean the rant on CAG that got you a nice little vacation from the site?

The part that is stupid to me is that you make it your mission to give people a hard time about their business practices, collecting habits, etc.

Is this all you do? Bitch and moan? I can't imagine many of us here care what you think qualifies someone as a "hardcore gamer".


With that out of the way, I collect more than play. I do not collect NIB, and I do not collect as a financial investment. I buy games that I like or want to have as part of my collection and with the intention of at least trying them at some point. I often have groups of friends over who are a mix of casual gamers, serious gamers, and not-so-much gamers all at one time. It's nice to have a backlog of stuff that's new to all of us so that everyone can participate and hopefully have fun. Plus, collecting games can be the hobby in itself, not unlike collecting comics or coins. Obviously games can do more than just sit on a shelf, but that doesn't mean that collecting just for the sake of collecting is intrinsically bad. The only time "collectors" bother me is when they grab up multiple copies of new, harder to find items with the sole intent of resale. That sort of thing just makes it tougher for others who want those games to attain them at or near to MSRP, which is lame IMO.

[Dashopepper]

I used to collect marble eggs, as in the rocks shaped like eggs and polished. I'm pretty sure whatever I do with my video games it is better than that.

[ZP3]

If I were to encounter a sealed game in the wild, heck yes I would buy it, most likely never opening it. However that said, I would never go out of my way and spend hundreds of dollars on a sealed game.

[Spartan]

I personally don't collect sealed games. I don't think it's stupid though, it's just not my style. I collect a bit more than I can play at any given time but I have the intentions to play them always. I think the act of collecting in general can be a good thing for one's soul. It gives you hope, satisfaction and a sense of accomplishment which is good on any level. It can also +Crit your wallet and become a potential problematic habit. If one was to collect in moderation and keep all priorities aligned I wouldn't see a single thing wrong with it. The only evil I see is when collectors get their sealed copies graded and sell them at astronomical prices. If you've got a sealed copy to sell, great sell at or slightly above market value. Don't grade games just for the sake of gouging others. There are people out there that just want to play that thing.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

When it comes to hobbies that don't cause anybody any type of physical/emotional harm, people have the right to do whatever they want with their money and whatever they want with what they spend their money on.

If somebody wants to own a complete new/sealed PSP collection as a "goal" or a "grail" of their personal collecting habits/hobbies, who the hell am I to judge that?

[ZP3]

When it comes to hobbies that don't cause anybody any type of physical/emotional harm, people have the right to do whatever they want with their money and whatever they want with what they spend their money on.

If somebody wants to own a complete new/sealed PSP collection as a "goal" or a "grail" of their personal collecting habits/hobbies, who the hell am I to judge that?

Preach it, brother!

[understatement]

If I was a tween, teen, or twenty something in collage I would agree with you but now that I have a life outside of playing games I just don’t have the time to be what you call a “hardcore gamer” I get to play maybe 30 minutes on weekdays and an hour or two on the weekend. I don’t want to just drop video games though as they were such a major part of my childhood. So now I mostly collect, most of my newer games are sealed and probably won’t get opened due to time and a lot of my older stuff probably won’t get played either. The newer stuff is mostly genres or series I loved as a kid if I get time I’ll open something and play it, until then why should I open it? Most of the older stuff is for nostalgia a lot of it I’ve played in the past but for my favorite systems I would like a complete set of games and I doubt I’ll play most of them but if I have some time I can.

As for sealed VGA games I’ve never understood why people get so uppity about it. I mean would you really open a sealed game that’s more than 20 years old? If not, why does it bother you when people slab them there not going to be opened anyway so what’s the deference to you? With the newer games it’s even more boggling why people get upset, just go out and get one if there still in stores why worry about it? Before you say it raises the price I don’t really think that’s completely true it makes it harder for people to list for a good price but it doesn’t raise it anymore than what someone is willing to pay.

[Xander]

IMO a hardcore gamer is the dude that comes to your house and plays one of your sealed games that's sitting on your shelf for years. Neither person have played the game before. And the person who owns the game gets their ass kicked by someone who's never even heard of the game. That guy that beats your high score 10/10 times and you can never beat his score or beat him in a particular game. That is the hardcore gamer to me.

When I think "hardcore" I think Billy Mitchell and hot sauce. Not some guy with a good income that can afford to buy a lot of games they are never going to play.

I think a better term for what you are describing would be a pro gamer. The one that is very good at games.

In my opinion hardcore gamer does not have much to do with skills. Hardcore has to do with how you approach gaming as a whole. When you get really into it, you know very very specific informations about the industry as a whole or the subgenres you are interested into. Hardcore gaming is about playing a shit load of games and making gaming a big part of your life by devoting a part of your free time to it. It can also be about research, finding the little gems that may have fell into the cracks and playing those obscure good titles that never had their time in the sunshine.

In the end it's all semantics, but it's still a fun discussion.

[needler420]

Why dont you just marry Billy Mitchell already, I think you two will make a great couple

He's married and lives in hollywood FL with his 2 children and runs Rickey's World Famous Restaurant chain. He makes a great hot sauce btw.

[Final Boss]

It has made game collecting worse. But it happens with any target of collection after people with money to throw on "investments" like that get a whiff of the situation. Comic books and games are like that at the moment; kind of like a stock market.

[Haoie]

A little bit pointless. What's the point of you can't enjoy it?

[Aussie2B]

I'm not interested in pussyfooting around with people, so I'm not afraid to say that I think it's dumb to collect games with no intention of ever playing them (whether they're sealed or not) and it's not something I would ever do myself. If somebody wants my opinion on the matter, that's it; I'm not going to play all nicey-nice and hide my opinion with something like "well, it's just not for me". Anyone with a backbone can realize that it really doesn't matter what my opinion is on their collecting habits. There are plenty of people who would think it's dumb that I collect retro video games at all, and I'm perfectly fine with that. That said, people are entitled to spend their money however they want, and I can fully respect that. It's not worth my time to put much thought or concern into what other people buy, even if I do think it's dumb, so I really don't care much one way or the other at the end of the day.

[AceAerosmith]

Collecting without playing is pointless. Some sealed games may have value but the real value is in the playing, the experience.

"Hey, you've got a complete sealed PS2 game collection." Great, now you've got a collection that is 80% shit. Enjoy that.

[wiggyx]

A little bit pointless. What's the point of you can't enjoy it?

If they're spending the money and time to collect, then there's obviously some level of joy/satisfaction involved, even if it doesn't make sense to some of us.

[Mark1983]

I agree that "to each their own" however my opinion is that its a waste to collect video games that will never be played.

This, right here, is absolute truth. I mean, if someone goes out and finds a copy of a game that only 2,000 were made...wouldn't you get pretty pissed off if it's just going to sit around on someones shelf and NEVER get used? That just means one less copy to own, for us actual gamers, and the value will keep going up on it which will almost make it impossible for the average joe collector to snag one.

[Bojay1997]

This, right here, is absolute truth. I mean, if someone goes out and finds a copy of a game that only 2,000 were made...wouldn't you get pretty pissed off if it's just going to sit around on someones shelf and NEVER get used? That just means one less copy to own, for us actual gamers, and the value will keep going up on it which will almost make it impossible for the average joe collector to snag one.

Your argument lacks any sort of logic. Whether they play it or not has nothing to do with whether the average collector will have a chance to snag one. I know plenty of collectors who own and play really, really rare items and would never sell them. Chances are you'll never get to own their copies either, so it really doesn't matter if they play it every day or lock it in a vault never to be played again.

[staxx]

I have quite a few sealed games and I probably won't have time to open and play those. But I am still happy that I own those games. Life gets busy and you have those games there and you can play them when you retire, or have plenty of free time and etc. The kicker is this though, I have sealed games but yet I still can play the games. For example the PSP, I have a few sealed games and yet I can still play them. It doesn't take much to figure out how I am playing those games. The fact is this, I do not have to open those games and hey who cares if I keep em sealed. I bought them and I can do what I want with them. Hell I can even smash them and make it a youtube channel.

[Ed Oscuro]

IMO VGA is bad because, unlike other collecting scenes I've found, there's not even a pretense of pricing according to market. They just throw that shit in a box and slap on a price. Not exactly Beckett or PCGS quality there. It's a scandal. Now, the practice of putting the games in a slab - I don't think it makes sense given how complex games are, as compared with a coin where you need it to remain untouched to keep in shape. Games in plastic might be deteriorating inside, so it's somewhat different in my view.

To me, what really matters is condition. The only way to guarantee the important parts are in a good condition is to open it up and inspect it. Open it as carefully as you like, but you have to look - X-Rays don't cut it.

[The 1 2 P]

Seems like we get a new thread for sealed games every other week. I collect sealed games but like most people with common sense it doesn't matter to me rather somebody collects sealed games or loose games. Just like it doesn't bother me that some people don't like collecting sealed games. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I still don't understand why some people get so anal over this when it isn't directly affecting them at all. And even though I collect sealed games I have extra open copies to play for atleast 70-80% of my sealed games.

What alot of sealed game collecting haters seem to forget is that eventually all of us are going to sell off our entire collection or pieces of it(minus those who will keep some of it to pass down to family members), either due to space concerns, to pay bills or just lack of interest in the future. Now who do you think is going to get more for their collection: the guy with 500 factory sealed games or the guy with 500 loose games? That was rhetorical btw. Like others on this forum I am part of the 800+ club. With two jobs, a family and a social life theres no way I will ever get to play all of those games. Eventually I will have to....wait for it.....sell the majority of them. And for that reason it was actually pretty wise of me to not open up every single one because I will get a much better return for selling them sealed. Thats as straight forward as it gets.

[PreZZ]

If i find old sealed games I wont open them, to keep their value high and i can play them anyway on an emulator. Other than that I wont bother buying sealed games on ebay, ill look for a complete mint copy to play.

[Niku-Sama]

i collect sealed games, but unintentionaly usually.

usually winds up that i buy a game and never make it arround to playing it so it is still sealed up, alot of my PS2 games are like this, Xenosaga games and rogue galaxy come to mind with some others...choro-q i think aswell.
but then there are the old games i get and not realize its factory sealed untill i go to play it and its like "oh, maybe i should get another copy. They are usually common games which to me makes a factory sealed game rather rare, thinking about how common it is, mario for instance, is suprisingly hard to find sealed still.

theres only a few games i have done this with. 3D Hot Rally for FDS is one. bought a copy at superpotato durring my visit, got home to play it and went "oh disk-kun is still instact and not peeled back" so i bought a cheepo copy on ebay, took me 3 years but i finally got it. Pole Position for 2600 is another one of those games but both of these games were cheap. pole position you can get for a quarter, 3d hot rally was i think $7 and it was a domestic seller from CA.


that being said though i have to say.....

screw the VGA, i know what my stuff is worth, infact its getting to the point where i should probably insure it

[needler420]

Seems like we get a new thread for sealed games every other week. I collect sealed games but like most people with common sense it doesn't matter to me rather somebody collects sealed games or loose games. Just like it doesn't bother me that some people don't like collecting sealed games. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I still don't understand why some people get so anal over this when it isn't directly affecting them at all. And even though I collect sealed games I have extra open copies to play for atleast 70-80% of my sealed games.

What alot of sealed game collecting haters seem to forget is that eventually all of us are going to sell off our entire collection or pieces of it(minus those who will keep some of it to pass down to family members), either due to space concerns, to pay bills or just lack of interest in the future. Now who do you think is going to get more for their collection: the guy with 500 factory sealed games or the guy with 500 loose games? That was rhetorical btw. Like others on this forum I am part of the 800+ club. With two jobs, a family and a social life theres no way I will ever get to play all of those games. Eventually I will have to....wait for it.....sell the majority of them. And for that reason it was actually pretty wise of me to not open up every single one because I will get a much better return for selling them sealed. Thats as straight forward as it gets.

What you're doing then would completey affect others. You are manipulating the market. Basically in it for a monetary gain aside from whatever reason you have to collect whether it be nostalgia or whatever. Whether you play the games or not doesn't take away the fact that you reduce the amount of copies in circulation. That drives up prices no matter how you cut it. It's just a matter of gaming morals I suppose. Another example is earthbound the cart is going for $120 and the game has never been ported. Not everyone can afford $120 on a single game and not everyone is going to find one in the wild. I'd say between it's high demand and the fact it has yet to get a port makes people revert to illegal emulation.

VGA is a even better example of the WTF just happened. VGA won't grade a game unless it's sealed.:hmm::?

[understatement]

VGA is a even better example of the WTF just happened. VGA won't grade a game unless it's sealed.:hmm::?
Yea, I don’t understand why that is, when every other form of grading (collectable cards, comics, coins, and so on) can be done with open items. Although if they ever start doing that I could just imagine the butt hurt it would cause with the “games were meant to be played” crowd and might give some of their arguments validity.


What you're doing then would completey affect others. You are manipulating the market. Basically in it for a monetary gain aside from whatever reason you have to collect whether it be nostalgia or whatever. Whether you play the games or not doesn't take away the fact that you reduce the amount of copies in circulation. That drives up prices no matter how you cut it. It's just a matter of gaming morals I suppose. Another example is earthbound the cart is going for $120 and the game has never been ported. Not everyone can afford $120 on a single game and not everyone is going to find one in the wild. I'd say between it's high demand and the fact it has yet to get a port makes people revert to illegal emulation.

So basically if you own any game you’re doing this even if you’re playing it every day. So why do you condemn the sealed and collectors that don’t play their games, yet hold the ones that do up on a pedestal? I bet Billy Mitchell has a good bit of arcade games that he’s manipulating the market on.

[Bojay1997]

What you're doing then would completey affect others. You are manipulating the market. Basically in it for a monetary gain aside from whatever reason you have to collect whether it be nostalgia or whatever. Whether you play the games or not doesn't take away the fact that you reduce the amount of copies in circulation. That drives up prices no matter how you cut it. It's just a matter of gaming morals I suppose. Another example is earthbound the cart is going for $120 and the game has never been ported. Not everyone can afford $120 on a single game and not everyone is going to find one in the wild. I'd say between it's high demand and the fact it has yet to get a port makes people revert to illegal emulation.

VGA is a even better example of the WTF just happened. VGA won't grade a game unless it's sealed.:hmm::?

I'm sorry, but your examples and reasoning have become more and more ridiculous the longer this thread has gone on. Do you even understand the phrase "manipulating the market"? With very few exceptions, every game ever produced was produced in some kind of quantity. As such, there are many, many copies of everything, including Earthbound out there. The fact that anyone has more games than they can possibly play at any given point in time is not a manipulation of the market, it's simply a statement of the reality of how Americans consume and store more items than at any point in history.

The truth is, you're never going to own every game and neither will any one collector and unless you create the next Facebook or Google, there will always be people richer than you who can buy whatever they want whenever they want. You're not entitled to own any game and blaming other collectors for that fact is foolish and frankly pointless. If you really want Earthbound, all you need to do is save your money and then buy it when it pops up on Ebay or elsewhere as it does on almost a daily basis. If you think it's too expensive, then you simply can wait in the hope that the price goes down or buy one of the thousands of other great games out there that can be purchased very cheaply.

I think this really isn't a rant against sealed games or collectors, it's a rant against the fact that you can't afford to collect or buy games to play. Instead of spending all your time posting here and elsewhere, perhaps you should put that time and energy into getting an education or the experience to become financially succesful so that $120 isn't a lot of money to you.

[needler420]

I'm sorry, but your examples and reasoning have become more and more ridiculous the longer this thread has gone on. Do you even understand the phrase "manipulating the market"? With very few exceptions, every game ever produced was produced in some kind of quantity. As such, there are many, many copies of everything, including Earthbound out there. The fact that anyone has more games than they can possibly play at any given point in time is not a manipulation of the market, it's simply a statement of the reality of how Americans consume and store more items than at any point in history.

The truth is, you're never going to own every game and neither will any one collector and unless you create the next Facebook or Google, there will always be people richer than you who can buy whatever they want whenever they want. You're not entitled to own any game and blaming other collectors for that fact is foolish and frankly pointless. If you really want Earthbound, all you need to do is save your money and then buy it when it pops up on Ebay or elsewhere as it does on almost a daily basis. If you think it's too expensive, then you simply can wait in the hope that the price goes down or buy one of the thousands of other great games out there that can be purchased very cheaply.

I think this really isn't a rant against sealed games or collectors, it's a rant against the fact that you can't afford to collect or buy games to play. Instead of spending all your time posting here and elsewhere, perhaps you should put that time and energy into getting an education or the experience to become financially succesful so that $120 isn't a lot of money to you.

Bojay I see you on CAG so I know your one of the people I talk about. You buy games just to buy games and whine about how big your backlog is and that you'll never have time to play them. Then I see you buy more. And I can afford $120. You are completely missing the point. The point is that game has gone up about 50% in the last few years due to the high demand of collectors and gamers and I'm not willing like many people to pay $120 for a cart only game. The poster I quoted basically said he collects for a monetary gain as his main purpose. Do you not get the concept that he speculates what will go up in value and hoards that. Then someone ignorant like you says that doesn't manipulate the market. Whether it manipulates the market or not it still affects it for others. FYI just because someone doesn't want to drop $120 on a game doesn't mean they are financially unstable or lack a education.

This rant is no different then the topic that went pages long about the bad things about VGA.

[Bojay1997]

Bojay I see you on CAG so I know your one of the people I talk about. You buy games just to buy games and whine about how big your backlog is and that you'll never have time to play them. Then I see you buy more. And I can afford $120. You are completely missing the point. The point is that game has gone up about 50% in the last few years due to the high demand of collectors and gamers and I'm not willing like many people to pay $120 for a cart only game. The poster I quoted basically said he collects for a monetary gain as his main purpose. Do you not get the concept that he speculates what will go up in value and hoards that. Then someone ignorant like you says that doesn't manipulate the market. Whether it manipulates the market or not it still affects it for others. FYI just because someone doesn't want to drop $120 on a game doesn't mean they are financially unstable or lack a education.

This rant is no different then the topic that went pages long about the bad things about VGA.

First of all, I am on CAG as well as many other forums. I would defy you to present even a single post where I have ever whined about my backlog or lack of time to play my games on CAG. I'm a collector and a gamer, just like many people here.

Earthbound has gone up in value because it's a good game and uncommon, not because people are manipulating the market. Frankly, I can recall it being expensive five years ago, long before this latest wave of new SNES collectors starting collecting. If you wanted to buy it cheap like I did, you had to get it when Best Buy and Gamestop were clearing it out for less than MSRP when nobody seemed to want it despite extensive distribution and marketing by Nintendo.

At what point did 12P ever claim to be a hoarder or in it solely for profit? All he stated is that the reality of life is that many people end up selling their collections over time. There's nothing wrong with hoping to get what you paid or more for your collection if you're ever forced by circumstances or simply choose to sell it. The very forum you are posting in is owned by a collector who also owns a retail store that sells video games for a profit. Is Digital Press also an evil and manipulative company?

It costs significant time and money to collect, from driving around to find items or having them shipped to storing them and keeping them in good condition. Selling at a profit isn't market manipulation, it's being smart about making sure that you get fair market value for goods you are selling to others. I suppose when you sell a used car, you pay the other person to take it and if you donate it to a charity, you never take the tax deduction? I'm sorry, but you are a straight up troll who doesn't even bother to get his facts right. Why don't you take your hate elsewhere or have you been banned from everywhere else?

[Mark1983]

Your argument lacks any sort of logic. Whether they play it or not has nothing to do with whether the average collector will have a chance to snag one. I know plenty of collectors who own and play really, really rare items and would never sell them. Chances are you'll never get to own their copies either, so it really doesn't matter if they play it every day or lock it in a vault never to be played again.

There wasn't really any logic there because I didn't intend there to be any. It's just my personal opinion..which pretty much says collecting for the sake of collecting without any desire to play it just flat out sucks for the guys who collect with the intent to play.

[The 1 2 P]

What you're doing then would completey affect others. You are manipulating the market. Basically in it for a monetary gain aside from whatever reason you have to collect whether it be nostalgia or whatever. Whether you play the games or not doesn't take away the fact that you reduce the amount of copies in circulation. That drives up prices no matter how you cut it. It's just a matter of gaming morals I suppose. Another example is earthbound the cart is going for $120 and the game has never been ported. Not everyone can afford $120 on a single game and not everyone is going to find one in the wild. I'd say between it's high demand and the fact it has yet to get a port makes people revert to illegal emulation.

VGA is a even better example of the WTF just happened. VGA won't grade a game unless it's sealed.:hmm::?

As understatement and Bojay clearly pointed out, you have no idea what you are talking about. So let me try to put it in simple terms so that even you with your non-logic can understand. For every factory sealed game in my collection there are literally between hundreds of thousands and millions of other copies available to be purchased, either online, in retail stores or even flea markets and yard sales. If you wanted to have any of the games in my collection all you would need to do is pretty much what the majority of people on DP do: get a job and start working for a living. Once you accomplish this you will be able to afford the games you want. And because they are all readily available(to those that can afford them) there is no silly market manipulation going on.

Like I said in my first post, if you like sealed video game collecting--cool. If you don't like sealed video game collecting thats also cool. But don't try making up random bullshit to try and convince people that collectors of sealed games has any direct affect on you or anyone else who wants those same games. Eventually all major collectibles go up in price and video games are no different, rather they are sealed or not.

[needler420]

As understatement and Bojay clearly pointed out, you have no idea what you are talking about. So let me try to put it in simple terms so that even you with your non-logic can understand. For every factory sealed game in my collection there are literally between hundreds of thousands and millions of other copies available to be purchased, either online, in retail stores or even flea markets and yard sales. If you wanted to have any of the games in my collection all you would need to do is pretty much what the majority of people on DP do: get a job and start working for a living. Once you accomplish this you will be able to afford the games you want. And because they are all readily available(to those that can afford them) there is no silly market manipulation going on.

Like I said in my first post, if you like sealed video game collecting--cool. If you don't like sealed video game collecting thats also cool. But don't try making up random bullshit to try and convince people that collectors of sealed games has any direct affect on you or anyone else who wants those same games. Eventually all major collectibles go up in price and video games are no different, rather they are sealed or not.

1st off I'm not the first person in this thread to state that collecting in that particular manor affects others. About another half a dozen posters in this thread said similar statements.

2nd off you might want to look up what a opinion is. As the previous posters said there is no logic to this. It's a thread of people expressing their views on collecting sealed video games and collecting for the sake of collecting. With some off topic VGA discussion thrown in.

It's pretty obvious you're butthurt from peoples opinions on the particular subject. Makes sense. You admitted you have a ton of sealed games and your plan with them was to wait and sell for a monetary gain. You didn't say you were going to play them. All I'm doing is putting you on the spot and expressing my opinion on a particular habit of collecting and what I think of it. No different then when some of you talk negative of VGA collectors.

[The 1 2 P]

1st off I'm not the first person in this thread to state that collecting in that particular manor affects others. About another half a dozen posters in this thread said similar statements.

You made this thread and thus gave the first post. So yes you are the first person to complain about sealed video game collectors affecting you. Way to show your lack of intelligence.


2nd off you might want to look up what a opinion is. As the previous posters said there is no logic to this. It's a thread of people expressing their views on collecting sealed video games and collecting for the sake of collecting. With some off topic VGA discussion thrown in.

You might want to look over my last post again, in which I stated
"Like I said in my first post, if you like sealed video game collecting--cool. If you don't like sealed video game collecting thats also cool." So obviously I don't have a problem with other people's opinions on this subject rather they align with mine or not. You're now 0 for 2.


It's pretty obvious you're butthurt from peoples opinions on the particular subject. Makes sense. You admitted you have a ton of sealed games and your plan with them was to wait and sell for a monetary gain. You didn't say you were going to play them. All I'm doing is putting you on the spot and expressing my opinion on a particular habit of collecting and what I think of it. No different then when some of you talk negative of VGA collectors.

The only one who's butthurt is the person who made this thread because he's upset he can't afford certain games. So in his childish ranting he made a thread blaming sealed game collectors as his excuse for not being able to afford certain games because apparently they drive the price up. If only you had enough common sense to get a job like the rest of us.

And btw, since reading comprehension isn't one of your skill sets, in my first post I stated that I have playable copies for atleast 70-80% of my sealed games. So once again you are making shit up with your:


"You admitted you have a ton of sealed games and your plan with them was to wait and sell for a monetary gain. You didn't say you were going to play them."
Um....what do you think playable copies are for? You need some serious ice for all that butthurt you have going on.

[Dashopepper]

If only emulation existed then people who wanted to collect could collect, and people who wanted to play could play.

All kidding aside, everyone that buys video games is my competition and enemy.

[bb_hood]

It's pretty obvious you're butthurt.

Ouch.

[Final Boss]

All kidding aside, everyone that buys video games is my competition and enemy.

Wow. Just..wow.

[Aussie2B]

Is it just me, or is the quality of topics in the Classic Gaming section at an all-time low right now? Just to name a few, we have "Why do you collect games?", "Do you play your games?", and "What do you think of sealed games?" Christ, what a braindead assortment of topic concepts. The answer to every one of them for me, and I assume almost everybody else as it's the logical conclusion to draw given the very freakin' title of the board, is "I buy games because I like to play games". I know I'm not helping by bumping this topic up and I know my tolerance for these kinds of topics is way lower than for a newbie, but I hope my complaining can maybe help inspire people to create more worthwhile topics.

[ProjectCamaro]

Is it just me, or is the quality of topics in the Classic Gaming section at an all-time low right now? Just to name a few, we have "Why do you collect games?", "Do you play your games?", and "What do you think of sealed games?" Christ, what a braindead assortment of topic concepts. The answer to every one of them for me, and I assume almost everybody else as it's the logical conclusion to draw given the very freakin' title of the board, is "I buy games because I like to play games". I know I'm not helping by bumping this topic up and I know my tolerance for these kinds of topics is way lower than for a newbie, but I hope my complaining can maybe help inspire people to create more worthwhile topics.

If you don't like the topics you're free to start your own that are better than everyone elses.

[needler420]

If you don't like the topics you're free to start your own that are better than everyone elses.


Very well said.

He's probably too busy buying games more then playing them.

I mean if someone owns like 1,000 games but played only like 100 of them then you can't expect them to make good topics. Unless you want to hear about their nostaglia for their childhood games and the same repetitive thing.

The reason there are lots of topics similar is because people are expressing their opinion on what they think is a stupid habit. Between the VGA and a new breed of collectors out there it's not that surprising.

What's even funnier is watching the collectors come out the wood work all butt hurt saying that are opinions are pointless and were forcing our views down peoples throats. I tell them the samething back I think their opinion is pointless.

[Bojay1997]

Is it just me, or is the quality of topics in the Classic Gaming section at an all-time low right now? Just to name a few, we have "Why do you collect games?", "Do you play your games?", and "What do you think of sealed games?" Christ, what a braindead assortment of topic concepts. The answer to every one of them for me, and I assume almost everybody else as it's the logical conclusion to draw given the very freakin' title of the board, is "I buy games because I like to play games". I know I'm not helping by bumping this topic up and I know my tolerance for these kinds of topics is way lower than for a newbie, but I hope my complaining can maybe help inspire people to create more worthwhile topics.

Strongly agree. I started to notice this a month or two ago as we had a small influx of new forum members who seemed unable to find the search function to check for older posts regarding the same issues and had little interest in making meaningful contributions and instead seemed bent on continually posting topics of limited interest or which were clearly meant to troll. Honestly, I am spending less and less time here and have found that the level of discussion has continued to decline in the past few years with the OP being yet another prime example. It used to be that I loved this forum because we rarely needed moderation as everyone was fairly mature and intelligent and shared a love of playing and collecting video games. Sadly, I don't think that's the case anymore.

[Bojay1997]

Very well said.

He's probably too busy buying games more then playing them.

I mean if someone owns like 1,000 games but played only like 100 of them then you can't expect them to make good topics. Unless you want to hear about their nostaglia for their childhood games and the same repetitive thing.

The reason there are lots of topics similar is because people are expressing their opinion on what they think is a stupid habit. Between the VGA and a new breed of collectors out there it's not that surprising.

What's even funnier is watching the collectors come out the wood work all butt hurt saying that are opinions are pointless and were forcing our views down peoples throats. I tell them the samething back I think their opinion is pointless.

This is a website designed by and for collectors of video games. Did you miss that giant description on the landing page? I'm really not sure why you're here other than to troll. If you're not a collector, that's cool, but most of us here are and we don't need or appreciate your trolling.

[needler420]

This is a website designed by and for collectors of video games. Did you miss that giant description on the landing page? I'm really not sure why you're here other than to troll. If you're not a collector, that's cool, but most of us here are and we don't need or appreciate your trolling.

*facepalm dude* So much fail man.

The front of the homepage says


Video Game Collectors and Retrogamers UNITE!

[Bojay1997]

*facepalm dude* So much fail man.

The front of the homepage says


Video Game Collectors and Retrogamers UNITE!

I'm guessing you're probably 12 years old given your liberal use of terms like "fail" and "butthurt", but here is the description of the site at the top of the front landing page for your reference -

"Digital Press is dedicated to the "Pac-rats" among video gamers... those with short attention spans, library-sized collections, and consoles precariously wired in a web-like fashion. Does this sound like you? Check around - we cover just about everything "retro" including Atari, Nintendo, SEGA, Intellivision, ColecoVision, Vectrex, and Odyssey, as well as all of the other consoles, both new and old."

So, the very people you are criticizing are the same people this site was dedicated to and designed for. Maybe you'd be happier elsewhere. Is there a Club Penguin or Winx Club forum somewhere you could join?

[needler420]

I'm guessing you're probably 12 years old given your liberal use of terms like "fail" and "butthurt", but here is the description of the site at the top of the front landing page for your reference -

"Digital Press is dedicated to the "Pac-rats" among video gamers... those with short attention spans, library-sized collections, and consoles precariously wired in a web-like fashion. Does this sound like you? Check around - we cover just about everything "retro" including Atari, Nintendo, SEGA, Intellivision, ColecoVision, Vectrex, and Odyssey, as well as all of the other consoles, both new and old."

So, the very people you are criticizing are the same people this site was dedicated to and designed for. Maybe you'd be happier elsewhere. Is there a Club Penguin or Winx Club forum somewhere you could join?

Are you that ignorant to not realize this site is not only for collectors? Did you not see that RETRO GAMERS unite! I am a retro gamer.

I'm aware that many collectors are on this site. Thanks for pointing something so obvious out. Guess what though you don't have to be a collector of video games to use this site. I am expressing a opinion on a form of collecting as other similar threads have. All you do is keep on getting butthurt 24/7 and calling me a troll.

[Bojay1997]

Are you that ignorant to not realize this site is not only for collectors? Did you not see that RETRO GAMERS unite! I am a retro gamer.

I'm aware that many collectors are on this site. Thanks for pointing something so obvious out. Guess what though you don't have to be a collector of video games to use this site. I am expressing a opinion on a form of collecting as other similar threads have. All you do is keep on getting butthurt 24/7 and calling me a troll.

Because that's what you are unfortunately. This site is dedicated to "pac-rats" and people with library sized collections. The very people you have attacked repeatedly in this thread. You're welcome to your opinion and to participate on the site, but going somewhere designed and dedicated to people who are collectors of video games and then attacking those same people for collecting in the very manner the site is designed to support is classic trolling.

Instead of focusing on making your argument in an intellectual and well thought out manner, you repeatedly attack and name call anyone who has a different opinion than your own. You did the same thing on CAG and you were suspended. You've expressed your opinion. Others have expressed theirs. This same topic has been debated for years. You're not right and either is anybody else because it's all a matter of personal opinion. Hopefully the mods will lock this thread up just like they have locked up all the others that have debated the same issue over and over and over again.