View Full Version : How will a cheap bastard (me) pay full price for PS4 and Xbox Infinity games ? It's against my nature
Ok, first off, I'll totally admit that this is a "swimming in a Lake Me" type post. I freely admit it. I'm just throwing this post out there, for the F it, so if it comes off as really pretentious, my bad. This is just something that I've been thinking about lately, and I'm just thinking out loud with this.
Here is my dilema: Since the days of the TG-16, Genesis and Super Nintendo, I've been a hardcore early adopter. I'm talking really hardcore. Like, buy almost every single system you can imagine on day 1 type hardcore. There is only a small handful of systems that I didn't buy on day one, and on those ones, I got the system within months of the launch. I'm always jumping on the bandwagon of the "latest and greatest". The PS4 is going to be coming to stores near you this November. I've bought the first 3 playstations on launch day. I'm not about to break my streak. As long as the PS4 is $499 or less I plan on jumping on the bandwagon. Like I always do.
Microsoft is going to drop their bomb in April. I've been calling it the Xbox Infinity, but I honestly have no freaking idea what they are going to call it. I got the first two Xboxes on launch day, and again, have no plans of stopping any time soon. I fully expect to buy a Xbox 3 on day one, barring some dramatic revelation that makes me change my mind. You know that both Sony and Microsoft are going to have some more huge game reveals between now and launch that are going to make both of those systems extremely tempting. I've already seen some stuff on PS4 that I'd love to play, and I'm sure MS will have a few exclusives that will blow me away as well.
Here's the problem... I'm going to buy both of these systems, no question about it (again, barring some shocking revelation), but the thing is, I've recently turned into Mr. Cheap ass Gamer. There is this guy that posts on the cheapassgamer forums. His name is iamthecheapestgamer or something like that. I feel like in the last 3 or 4 years, I've turned into this guy. The guy that hasn't paid $59.99 for a game since like 2009 or maybe even 2008. Seriously, it's been a long, long time since I've paid full pop. It's almost like a foreign concept right now. I built a gaming PC two years ago and have been buying most of my stuff via Steam and such for only 5 bucks each. Once in awhile I'll splurge a little bit and pay $7.50 for something. :D
I've got a Vita, and have been playing that, but I'm using PS+ and not buying any actual games. If I do buy a Vita game, I get it used for $15 or less. (Usually $12 or less if possible). My kids have Playstation plus on their Vitas, so we also get free games on the PS3. I also got a couple PS3 games for free when they had that hacking situation, and they offered people free games.
Anyways.... when new systems arise, you ain't getting any discounts. That shit isn't going to happen. Sure, there are some Wii U games that are selling for $29.99, but Wii U has been selling so horribly that it's hard to draw any conclusions about some of the Wii U game sales. Retailers are forced to do something to try to clear a bit of inventory. Also, while there are some Wii U discounts right now, we are in the month of March. So it's been about 4 months since launch, with a system that isn't selling well, and only now are we seeing some discounts. If the next Xbox and PS4 are much more successful in their launches, then you can bet that discounts on PS4 and Xbox games are going to be a long time in coming...
Also, what about the possibility of no used games on the Xbox ? Sony has said they will allow used games, but they haven't said how they are going to allow it. There is definitely some questions about whether there will be a re-activation fee on the PS4, or maybe on the new Xbox if they do even allow used games. If these situations come to pass, then you don't have much of a secondary market. There really isn't any incentive for retailers to go into a panic and drop prices.
I'm not sure how my early adopter self, is going to co-exist with my cheap ass gamer mentality. They are totally incompatible. I have no idea what the heck I'm going to do. I guess I'll just buy a single game for each system, and play the living crap out of that one game, and then see what I can do from that point... It's going to be so weird to have to pay the full $59.99, but I'm not going to have any other choice.
Ed Oscuro
03-21-2013, 12:24 AM
A lot of people will point towards the feeling of the traditional contract between the content maker and the buyer being broken, but there also are many more options competing for your time than before - including old games.
Personally I have written off consoles until I know I can get what I want for them with little fuss or money. It doesn't always work, but my disappointments in the PSP library are much more slight than if I had bought everything at full retail.
Zthun
03-21-2013, 12:39 AM
Maybe you should think about changing your mentality towards getting new systems on day one. Nowadays, there's almost no reason to do this unless you're trying to flip on eBay. First rev systems are filled with bugs, problems, and small libraries.
Is there a reason you MUST have the system on day one? Judging from this generation, you will probably get almost everything you want on Steam minus some exclusives.
Tokimemofan
03-21-2013, 01:38 AM
I had a DS 2 weeks after release and a psp on launch day, I only play RPGs. Half a year later still didn't have a game worth playing on either of them, Couldn't play the GBA ones I had either as the sound on many of them was scratchy. The only reason to get a system on launch day is if buying a Sony system due to the way that later versions usually have dropped features. If you bought either of the current gen systems on day 1 you could have only come out on top with a Wii. I pray to god that you didn't early adopt the Nokia N-Gage.
Usually on launch day there are one or two games worth playing IF they are in the genres you like, a few remakes of last gen stuff, and mostly rushed crap. I doubt we'll see another blowout launch like the Dreamcast ever again, if for no other reason than the fact that the Dreamcast would be on life support within a year.
SOL BADGUY
03-21-2013, 03:00 AM
I think judging from last generation you shouldnt buy a console the first year its released, because of all the break downs and such. Nothing saying this generation will be better on that.
The 1 2 P
03-21-2013, 03:29 AM
Anyways.... when new systems arise, you ain't getting any discounts. That shit isn't going to happen.
Thats not actually true. The Wii U had a few promotions thru Target and Toys R Us during the holidays for a B2 get 1 free deal. And that was in the first month of release. And if you've been paying attention this generation(and I know you have been) you'll notice that the majority of new release games drop in price anywhere from $5-$20 within the first few weeks/months of release, with the exception of certain AAA titles like Call of Duty. So you can be sure that several retailers will be running sales for PS4 and Next Box games this holiday(if both launch). Why? Because retailers know that people will be buying games for each system and the only way to ensure people buy the games from "their" stores is to price their stock lower than their competition.
As for buying systems on launch day, I will agree with whats already been said. Generally it's not a good idea unless you are just planning to resell it. But if you are planning to keep it you need to be aware of all the issues these newer systems tend to have. I definitely wanted a PS3 and 360 when they launched but I am forever grateful that I waited a few years before taking the plunge. I haven't had a system failure since my original Nes died and I definitely wouldn't want to go thru that again.
ProjectCamaro
03-21-2013, 09:04 AM
Remain cheap, like everyone else has said the launch consoles always have problems. Don't be a paying guinea pig for these companies, wait for the bugs to be ironed out.
Plus remember, if you wait not only will the console be cheaper but so will the games. So for the same amount of money you can buy a bug free (or close to it) console, with several great games and it still be cheaper than what everyone else paid on launch day.
Personally I never feel the need to buy a console or game right out of the gate. I will wait a year and then buy them for these reasons, plus at that point you can search CraigsList and other areas and you might even get one used for an excellent price.
There are so many great games out there already you have more than enough to keep you busy until the prices aren't so overly inflated.
So the general consensus seems to be that I should suppress my early adopter inclinations, and remain being the cheap bastard gamer that I've come to be over the last several years. I can understand the reasoning, but I think you guys are underestimating the allure of a brand new console, on launch day. There is something special about being "there" when the ball first drops, so to speak.
I have very fond memories of launch days over the last 20 something years. The first system I bought on launch day was the Super Nintendo. The SNES might have been an outlier in the grand scheme of things, but buying that puppy at launch wasn't a bad idea at all. First off, the price of $199.99 was very acceptable at that time. You got TWO controllers in the box, plus Super Mario World. I remember playing Super Mario World for about 5 or 6 months straight. (seriously). I got my full value out of that thing.
The next system I got on launch day was the Sega CD. It cost a whopping $299.99, and considering you still needed to already have a Genesis for the thing to work, it was pretty pricey for that time frame. Still, it was a magical experience opening up that Sega CD box, and getting everything hooked up, and playing Sherlock Holmes and Sol-Deace, etc, etc. I also got Night Trap and Sewer Shark, and despite how FMV has gone down in the history books as an abject failure, I actually enjoyed those experiences when I first had them. They provided an extremely "next-level" type experience, that I don't think would have been the same if I waited a year or two to get a Sega CD. Sure, the Sega CD will go down as being somewhat of a failure as an add-on, and many will say that it was too expensive, and didn't provide anything close to what it was promising, but I had some marvelous experiences with that thing early on.
I've also had some really horrible launch day experiences. The Sega 32X is probably the worst of all of them. I got this system the day it dropped, and if memory serves me, it was $169.99, and I think you had to buy all the games separately. I think it came with a couple of coupons that would give you $10 off a couple of the games. I think I also ended up buying the Star Wars game and the Virtua Racing game that day. At first I was "kinda" happy with the 32X, but I quickly came to realize that the system really wasn't providing the kind of experiences that it was advertising. To me, it just seemed like it was normal Genesis games, with a layer of special effects added on top. Sega was boasting about how the thing was capable of 32,000 colors or something like that, but the games seem about as colorful as your average Genesis game. I felt like I kinda got ripped off in regards to my 32X purchase.
Surprisingly, that's really the only system where I felt like buying it right away was the wrong decision. I also bought a Jaguar on launch day, and most will say that the Jag was a huge disappointment, but I was having a lot of fun playing Cybermorph (criminally underrated btw), Raiden and Trevor McFurr. Sure, I had to wait months and months and months in between software releases, but it was exciting to experience everything right as it was happening.
That's the thing that needs to be remembered. Sure, our brains might tell us that buying a system right away is a fool's errand. Hardware can be glitchy, the price is going to be the highest it will ever be, and the initial software wave is going to be mostly rushed, and uninspired. If you wait, you can usually get the system cheaper, the software catalog is more filled in, and after the system has been out awhile, you'll see more discounts on that first wave of software, so you can try more games out with less damage to your wallet. All of this makes perfect sense.
Still, you have to also consider the other side of the equation. How valuable is the experience of being there day 1 ? There is a value there, that is hard to measure. There is something about being in the moment, with the launch of an exciting new platform, and all the possibilities that come along with that new hardware. It's kinda like the first day of the Baseball season. Every team starts off with the same record, and they all have the same chance of making it to the World Series. Everybody has that optimism. The same thing is there with a console launch. There is tons of optimism, and hope for the future of what the console might bring. Sure, there are some issues in regards to that initial wave of software. We only have to look back to the Wii U launch four months ago, or the PS3 launch in 2006 to see that initial launch lineups can be extremely shaky. I remember the PS3. Realistically, that system only had one decent game for launch. (Resistance: Fall of Man) I imported the Japanese version of Motorstorm, so that gave me a second key game, but for the average person in the USA, all they had was Resistance. Everything else was a port, and usually a crappy port at that.
We can also look back to the Wii U. Remember how I have this epic streak of buying systems on launch day that dates back to the arrival of the Super Nintendo ? Well, I've purchased every Nintendo home console on launch day except for two. The original NES ( I was too young to have the money for it) and the Wii U. I would have been interested in the Wii U, if there was just a couple of games that really caught my fancy. Unfortunately, the Wii U really only had one game that I was interested in (NSMB U), and even with that game, my interest was mild. Also, the price of the system seemed about $100 too high for me.
It's entirely possible that I could feel the same way about the PS4 and the next Xbox. So far, the PS4 hasn't really shown me anything that has totally blown my socks off. Killzone looks pretty good graphically, but I've never been a huge Killzone guy. Knack looks pretty cool, but is it enough to get me to shell out 500 bucks ? Infamous is the one that really has me interested, but will the thing be available at launch ? The jury is still out if I'm going to be totally "sold" on the PS4. I think I will, but I'm not entirely sure.
The Next Xbox is in even more of a sketchy situation. Seems like every little rumor about the thing is very negative. Kinect mandatory, has to always be online, no used games, etc, etc. I haven't seen any games for the thing yet, and I don't know how powerful it's going to be. I also don't know if all these negative rumors are actually going to be legit or not. So, I'm going to have to wait and see with the Xbox. Still, you'd have to imagine that Microsoft would have a handful of games that will get the juices pumping. For me, all it would take is an amazing Crackdown game, and I'd be all over it.
Anyways, sorry to kind of get off topic here, but I'm just trying to illustrate that there is a real value to being there on launch day. It's not a tangible value that can be calculated scientifically. It's more nebulous than that. Being there at launch doesn't always pan out (32X, PS3 and Wii U), but there are other times when being there at launch is a truly amazing experience (SNES, PS1, N64, Dreamcast & Xbox 1).
ProjectCamaro
03-21-2013, 02:25 PM
I will say my post was simply my opinion and where I stand. I have never purchased a console on launch day and you're absolutely right, there's something about buying a console when it's still so new and you really don't know what you're getting into. Those of us that wait a year or so don't have that but only you can decide if that feeling and joy you derive is worth the extra money. In the end it's your money and you can do whatever you want with it and if buying consoles on launch day means that much to you by all means do it.
I have never purchased a console on launch day and you're absolutely right, there's something about buying a console when it's still so new and you really don't know what you're getting into. Those of us that wait a year or so don't have that but only you can decide if that feeling and joy you derive is worth the extra money.
Well, the joy is worth it, as long as there is at least two really legit games for launch. Just give me two really, really solid games, with the promise of many more games in the future.
Still, my dilemma isn't really about whether or not I should buy the consoles, it's more about my new found penny pinching attitude when it comes to buying games. I've been ridiculously spoiled over the last 3 or 4 years, with tons and tons of great games available for 5 bucks. Sure, the games aren't brand new, they've been around awhile, but when you're this late into the generation, how new it is doesn't really matter that much. You've already got a really good idea of what the PS3 and Xbox 360 are capable of, so no real need to run out and buy the newest 2013 release, when a game from 2010 can be just as amazing.
When you get new consoles however, then there is that possibility that the experiences can be new and exciting. At least for the first couple of years, before you end up seeing what can, and can't, be done on the hardware. The last time I felt that excitement, was like 2007 or maybe 2008. It's been years, and years, since I've really felt a need to run out and see the latest, greatest, game. At a certain point in the console generation, a game from two years ago is the same as a game coming out right now. What's the incentive to run out and buy the newest game?
With the PS4 and Infinity however, maybe there will be a certain game that will really capture the imagination, and it will be a must play experience.
Basically, I think the way that I'm going to play it, is that I'll buy each system (most likely), and just get one game for each system. Some type of action/adventure type game with at least a 12 hour single player campaign. I rarely finish games anyways, so I can just play the living hell out of one key game, and finish the game completely, and then move on to the next, and just start out slowly but surely, so to speak....
duffmanth
03-21-2013, 02:52 PM
I've never bought consoles at launch because there's usually nothing compelling enough for me to play at launch. If you have to have the PS4 at launch, I hope there's at least 1 or 2 AAA titles worth buying, or it's gonna be a waste of money.
I've never bought consoles at launch because there's usually nothing compelling enough for me to play at launch. If you have to have the PS4 at launch, I hope there's at least 1 or 2 AAA titles worth buying, or it's gonna be a waste of money.
Yeah, I need at least two games launched with the thing that i'm interested in, or forget it.
For PS4, I will expect that it will be Infamous: Second Son, and a next-gen sports game. For Xbox, I'm really hoping it's Crackdown 3 and something else unexpected.
Here is the last batch of consoles I've bought on day 1, and the two games that I feel best represented the launch:
PS3 - Resistance: Fall of Man, Motorstorm (JPN)
Wii - Wii Sports, Excite Truck
360 - Condemned: Criminal Origins, NBA 2K6
GameCube - Luigi's Mansion,
Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
Xbox - Halo, Project Gotham Racing
PS2 - SSX, Smugglers Run
Dreamcast - Soul Caliber, NFL 2K
Nintendo 64 - Super Mario 64, Wave Race 64
PS1 - Rayman, Ridge Racer
Saturn - Panzer Dragoon, Daytona USA
Atari Jaguar - Cybermorph, Raiden
Sega CD - Sol-Feace, Sewer Shark
Super Nintendo - Super Mario World, F-Zero
Consoles I didn't get at launch
Panasonic 3DO - Crash N Burn, Total Eclipse - Got a used one about 6 months after launch
TurboGrafx-16 - Dungeon Explorer, Legendary Axe - Got one in December 1989, a couple of months after the launch
Sega Genesis - Thunder Force II, Altered Beast - Got this in August of 1990, about a year after launch
recorderdude
03-21-2013, 06:01 PM
If you bought either of the current gen systems on day 1 you could have only come out on top with a Wii.
While the limited production run did massively bloat wiis for a while, the hardware itself did have issues, namely the inability to play brawl when it came out on all launch wiis due to the Disc readers being derpy with DVD9. A LOT of people had to send their systems in to be repaired and able to play quite possibly the most anticipated game for the system.
SOL BADGUY
03-22-2013, 12:12 AM
Im gonna post this here, just so I can post it somewhere.
http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-overbytes-playstation-4
Im gonna sweep in on Black Friday and get a ps3 then, maybe a 360 too and a ton of games. Right now, Im thinking Ill stay a generation behind due to the lower prices and deals. Maybe Ill get a WIi U though, I really want it so I can have a new Nintendo system.
otaku
03-22-2013, 04:08 AM
I've got enough old games I need to buy from the current gen that I won't have these new consoles on my radar for some time. I've been out of the loop the last few years with the economy like it is. More important things to spend my $ on and I keep moving like this week and new work after only a year and a half at the current place
duffmanth
03-22-2013, 09:57 AM
Yeah, I need at least two games launched with the thing that i'm interested in, or forget it.
For PS4, I will expect that it will be Infamous: Second Son, and a next-gen sports game. For Xbox, I'm really hoping it's Crackdown 3 and something else unexpected.
Here is the last batch of consoles I've bought on day 1, and the two games that I feel best represented the launch:
PS3 - Resistance: Fall of Man, Motorstorm (JPN)
Wii - Wii Sports, Excite Truck
360 - Condemned: Criminal Origins, NBA 2K6
GameCube - Luigi's Mansion,
Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
Xbox - Halo, Project Gotham Racing
PS2 - SSX, Smugglers Run
Dreamcast - Soul Caliber, NFL 2K
Nintendo 64 - Super Mario 64, Wave Race 64
PS1 - Rayman, Ridge Racer
Saturn - Panzer Dragoon, Daytona USA
Atari Jaguar - Cybermorph, Raiden
Sega CD - Sol-Feace, Sewer Shark
Super Nintendo - Super Mario World, F-Zero
Consoles I didn't get at launch
Panasonic 3DO - Crash N Burn, Total Eclipse - Got a used one about 6 months after launch
TurboGrafx-16 - Dungeon Explorer, Legendary Axe - Got one in December 1989, a couple of months after the launch
Sega Genesis - Thunder Force II, Altered Beast - Got this in August of 1990, about a year after launch
Honestly, there's so many great games coming for PS3 this year, and some great ones that have already been released, that I don't know how anyone could be compelled to buy the PS4 at launch, unless like you mentioned there's at least 2 flagship games ready for launch day. I remember back to the PS2 launch and SSX was the only game worth buying, and at the PS3 launch Resistance was the only game worth picking up. It took me 2 years after launch and the release of the first Gran Turismo game to get a PSone. It's always risky buying consoles at launch as far as bugs and glitches.
Trebuken
03-22-2013, 08:38 PM
Yes, I must buy at launch. There is something intangible about having a new console and some questionable launch titles.
Nintendo 64 - Super Mario 64. It was the only game I played and wanted for my 64 for months.
TG-16 - I loved Keith Courage in Alpha Zones at the time. Dungeon Explorer. Legendary Axe - awesome. R-type.
SNES - Super Mario World. Almost as good as Super Mario 64. Gradius III.
Wii-U - Zombi-U. Not an awesome game, but enjoyable launch title. Was a fun experience.
Dreamcast - Expendable. I loved this game.
Sega Genesis - Altered Beast was awesome briefly.
Xbox - Halo!!!
Xbox 360 - Condemned Criminal Origins was fantastic and unexpected. Kameo was great.
Playstation 3 - Resistance was fantastic. I really like Untold Legends also.
Playstation Vita - Uncharted!!
3DO - Crash n' Burn is one of the few racing games I ever enjoyed.
Wii - Wii Sports was all we played. The rest was fodder.
I have had a few other systems/handhelds at launch that really did not have anything memorable.
Some of the older systems -- Atari(s), Colecovision, I did not get at launch but when I did get them it had the same sense of excitement.
I try to save for the launches well in advance now and treat them as "Christmas' and splurge. I spend too much credit if I have to and I do not feel bad about it...it's what I like to do.
The one down side I have seen id these collector's edition systems that are everywhere these days. They seem to hold value much better than the launch systems - except the backwards compatible PS3.
I'll see you at midnight a couple times this fall. Maybe in June, I have a Ouya preordered at Gamestop.
Tanooki
03-23-2013, 12:11 AM
If you still must have a system the day it comes out, then you need to re-tool your cheap ass gamer mentality to, as cheap as possible not out of pocket. If you have between now and then some old games, hardware, accessories, books, movies, cds, collectables, or other crap sitting around that could be turned into money there's your out. You can still be cheap as all get out just ditching useless stuff and using the money from that to buy what you want, and since it's not actually out of pocket you still succeed at being a cheapass as it's not budget money.
SOL BADGUY
03-23-2013, 12:44 AM
Honestly, there's so many great games coming for PS3 this year, and some great ones that have already been released, that I don't know how anyone could be compelled to buy the PS4 at launch, unless like you mentioned there's at least 2 flagship games ready for launch day. I remember back to the PS2 launch and SSX was the only game worth buying, and at the PS3 launch Resistance was the only game worth picking up. It took me 2 years after launch and the release of the first Gran Turismo game to get a PSone. It's always risky buying consoles at launch as far as bugs and glitches.
Im betting MGS 5 and Watch Dogs will be the AAA launch titles for the PS4, and Knack and maybe even a Final Fantasy game. Them not making it PS3 backwards compatible is a very bad decision, well actually its borderline insane. People would buy the great games coming out for the PS3 this year when they get a PS4 on launch day.
JSoup
03-23-2013, 01:57 AM
I'd do in this upcoming generation what I did in the current one: Wait until I can get a PS4 for cheap online, get a 720 from a close friend who was sick of having it and get whatever Nintendo is limping to the barn with for a pittance at a convention.
kupomogli
03-23-2013, 12:49 PM
I'm probably not getting a PS4 at launch with how many games that have been released I'm waiting to find cheap and how many games that are releasing this year that I'm going to wait until they get cheap.
I'm interested in Infamous Second Son and Watch Dogs though. While Watch Dogs is also on current gen consoles, I'll get the PS4 version. The game is an open world title that looks better than Uncharted 3, so you know that's not the version we're going to see on current consoles. Plus I'm sure there's going to be a lot of framerate issues, screen tearing, and texture pop in on current consoles so that right there is also a deterrent.
After the PS4 is released shouldn't be too long before we see somewhere offering a $50 discount or a $50 gift card along with the PS4 and somewhere else will be offering buy two get one free. I'll just get a PS4 then. Hopefully by that time the games have dropped in price as well. Games have been dropping in price within months after release, sometimes a month. There's no reason to get games you're interested in in day one anymore. Not unless you have nothing else to play.
LaughingMAN.S9
03-23-2013, 04:42 PM
I'm probably not getting a PS4 at launch with how many games that have been released I'm waiting to find cheap and how many games that are releasing this year that I'm going to wait until they get cheap.
I'm interested in Infamous Second Son and Watch Dogs though. While Watch Dogs is also on current gen consoles, I'll get the PS4 version. The game is an open world title that looks better than Uncharted 3, so you know that's not the version we're going to see on current consoles. Plus I'm sure there's going to be a lot of framerate issues, screen tearing, and texture pop in on current consoles so that right there is also a deterrent.
After the PS4 is released shouldn't be too long before we see somewhere offering a $50 discount or a $50 gift card along with the PS4 and somewhere else will be offering buy two get one free. I'll just get a PS4 then. Hopefully by that time the games have dropped in price as well. Games have been dropping in price within months after release, sometimes a month. There's no reason to get games you're interested in in day one anymore. Not unless you have nothing else to play.
Lol I feel the exact same way
Only thing that could sway me on getting a ps4 on launch is if watch dogs is severely gimped on current gen consoles and the ps4 runs it at comparable max PC settings
Same deal with battlefield 4, if that comes out like PC 64 player online while it remains 24 ps3 max, im buying a ps4, fuck it
If you still must have a system the day it comes out, then you need to re-tool your cheap ass gamer mentality to, as cheap as possible not out of pocket. If you have between now and then some old games, hardware, accessories, books, movies, cds, collectables, or other crap sitting around that could be turned into money there's your out. You can still be cheap as all get out just ditching useless stuff and using the money from that to buy what you want, and since it's not actually out of pocket you still succeed at being a cheapass as it's not budget money.
Great idea... I need to sell shit.
sloan
03-23-2013, 10:08 PM
More important things to spend my $ on and I keep moving like this week and new work after only a year and a half at the current place
Agree.
In fact, when I read threads and posts like these, I wonder what economic bubble some of these people are living on.
not making it backwards compatible is a very bad decision, well actually its borderline insane.
Well, here's the thing in regards to that.
1. If the new Xbox has zero BC with the 360, then Sony will catch a HUGE break. I'm talking freaking HUGE. The way I understand it, making the new Xbox BC with 360 stuff is "almost" as hard as making it work for the PS4. In both cases, they would have to practically include a miniaturized version of the previous console, inside with the new console. It would be cheaper for MS to do it than Sony, but would be a MAJOR pain in the ass for either one of them to get working.
2. They really didn't have a choice in the matter. Blame it on Kutaragi. The crazy design of the PS3 means that having BC for that platform means having the Cell inside the PS4, and it also means having another contract with Nvidia to also have their GPU in there. They would essentially be putting a tiny PS3 inside the PS4, to make it happen, and it would easily add a full $100 to the price. When you're going head to head with MS in a brutal battle, that $100 is a huge thing.
Sony has no fucking choice. The PS4 can't brute strength emulate a PS3, and putting the cell and the Nvidia gpu in there would put the price back into the stratosphere. Believe you me.... Sony is praying daily that Microsoft is unable to provide BC as well. If Microsoft were to really, really, really want to stick it to Sony, they would just eat the cost of doing whatever they had to do to make the 360 fully BC (at least in the initial units) It would be a differentiating factor that would prove to be extremely valuable in the all out war that's getting ready to happen this November.
Sure, Sony has the whole GaiKai thing, but do you think even Sony themselves know if the GaiKai thing can really work in a real-world scenario ?
Press_Start
03-24-2013, 04:52 AM
Sure, Sony has the whole GaiKai thing, but do you think even Sony themselves know if the GaiKai thing can really work in a real-world scenario ?
The whole Gaikai thing is probably a bigger mess for Sony than having no BC at all. It requires an internet connection to buy and play games. How does that reconcile with PSN especially when Sony said the service is gonna offer the same PS1/PS2 classics too? I'm a little bit worried for the PSN Store's future at this point cause I'm fearful that Gaikai streaming will replace it on the PS4 or the Sony execs are planning on doing away the idea of downloading title by phasing it out over time.
GhostDog
03-24-2013, 12:09 PM
I've never been an early adopter. I like to stay updated with the latest news but as far as purchasing new systems and games I just don't do it. In fact, I just bought my first PS3 back in December and bought my first XBox 360 yesterday. Both systems have so much to offer currently and all of the best games are dirt cheap. 99% of the time I don't even pay $20 for a game and still manage to acquire most of the best games.
Being a late adopter has always been the way for me. I don't need the latest and greatest technology and games to keep me happy. I remember I bought a Dreamcast in about early 2002 or so when they were being cleared out and you could get one for about $50. I was then able to get a personal arcade favorite Virtua Tennis for $10 new and also managed to find a sealed Shenmue for $10. Then I managed to obtain Headhunter, Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2, Capcom vs. SNK 2, etc. As you can imagine I was in gaming heaven.
Since December I've managed to build an amazing PS3 collection and have already started buying a ton of cheap games for XBox 360 since yesterday. I love being a late adopter. I still follow the latest news but I don't see myself ever paying $60 or even $50 for a game. Not even $40. There's something exciting for me being a late adopter. I am able to obtain all the games I've always wanted at a rapid pace and at cheap prices. As of right now most of the best PS3 and XBox 360 games are under $20.
I'm set with the PS3 and XBox 360 for a long time. There's plenty of games to keep me busy for the time being as well as all the Blu-ray movies that I have that I'll watch on my PS3. I'm also about to buy a A/V receiver and surround sound system so I'll be set for a long time and can live without a PS4 and new XBox. I'll definitely be reading up on the newest systems and games and also watching videos and reviews. In a way I'm still part of the gaming scene without actually owning the new and expensive machines and games. I'll probably buy them when I feel the time is right.
Tanooki
03-25-2013, 09:54 AM
I'm sick of owning multiple systems, but I have to admit there's a few 1st/2nd party titles that Sony puts out I just would rather not be left out on. I can see getting this PS4, but it sure as hell won't be at launch or launch price. I wouldn't have even bothered at $350 on WiiU had it not come with the game, charging cradle, and the 4x storage as I'm comfy at $300 tops, but I'd have had to buy that junk and a usb hdd far sooner too.
PS4 when it's like $300 or less then I'll take a peek. I'm fine playing catch up as I did it on PS3 getting it for $300 at Circuit City a couple years after launch when the company folded.
SOL BADGUY
03-25-2013, 03:04 PM
I got a XBOX today for $5, talk about being cheap haha.
The 1 2 P
03-25-2013, 06:56 PM
I'm fine playing catch up as I did it on PS3 getting it for $300 at Circuit City a couple years after launch when the company folded.
Thats exactly what I did with my original 360. I got it on clearance at Circuit City back in 2009 once that company was in the midst of their going-out-of-business sale.
GhostDog
03-26-2013, 08:52 PM
I got a XBOX today for $5, talk about being cheap haha.
XBox is such a great system. The system is worth owning simply for the SEGA games and Burnout 3.
SOL BADGUY
03-27-2013, 07:59 AM
XBox is such a great system. The system is worth owning simply for the SEGA games and Burnout 3.
Panzer Dragoon is a big one I want, Shenmue 2 also, and the only other games I really want are Elder Scrolls, DOA series, and Im pretty sure Ill be the only person to have a Xbox without any Halo games. Mostly I want to mod it and run emulators on it. :D
To me Xbox is a continuation of Sega consoles, so its cool you said their games alone were worth it.
Nature Boy
03-27-2013, 10:55 AM
Maybe you should think about changing your mentality towards getting new systems on day one.
I agree with what you're saying but I consider myself something of an early adopter as well as a cheap ass gamer, and the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
The thing of it is that I value being an early adopter at the time of purchase (like say my Vita a year ago). You can still look for deals on new games and not pay the full price (after all, even saving $5 on a game can satisfy your cheap ass-i-ness to a certain extent). If you don't consume a *tonne* of games (like I don't, due to the fact I don't have enough time to consume a lot), you'll have some games that are a year old before you know it, selling for a fraction of what they cost at release.
So you get the both worlds.
If you're not finicky about collecting, there will be a tonne of downloadable games from XBLA/PSN available right from the get go that will be cheap too. Which may tide you over until you get past that 1 year mark.
Anyway, just my gut reaction to the original question.
Trebuken
03-27-2013, 04:03 PM
The whole Gaikai thing is probably a bigger mess for Sony than having no BC at all. It requires an internet connection to buy and play games. How does that reconcile with PSN especially when Sony said the service is gonna offer the same PS1/PS2 classics too? I'm a little bit worried for the PSN Store's future at this point cause I'm fearful that Gaikai streaming will replace it on the PS4 or the Sony execs are planning on doing away the idea of downloading title by phasing it out over time.
If Gaikai can stream games from previous generations it should be able to stream PSN games purchase from your PS3, Vita, or PSP. Instead of doing that Sony has chosen to put you in a position to repurchase them or keep multiple Playstations hooked-up. How long before they drop PSN on the PS3...two...four years...?
Lothars
03-31-2013, 02:45 PM
If Gaikai can stream games from previous generations it should be able to stream PSN games purchase from your PS3, Vita, or PSP. Instead of doing that Sony has chosen to put you in a position to repurchase them or keep multiple Playstations hooked-up. How long before they drop PSN on the PS3...two...four years...?Who says they are not gonna allow that? They certainly haven't said it either way.
I wish they had BC but I understand why they don't with such a huge architector change that unless they want to put the cell as a another chip than it makes it unaffordable to do that.
I am hoping Gaikai is a way for BC especially for PSN titles, that is a major factor that they need to have BC for.
Trebuken
04-01-2013, 02:33 PM
Who says they are not gonna allow that? They certainly haven't said it either way.
I wish they had BC but I understand why they don't with such a huge architector change that unless they want to put the cell as a another chip than it makes it unaffordable to do that.
I am hoping Gaikai is a way for BC especially for PSN titles, that is a major factor that they need to have BC for.
I could be mistaken, but I got the impression you would have to repurchase any games you previously owned should they become available on the PS4. Whereas for the Wii-U, again I believe, they have an upgrade fee.
Collector_Gaming
04-01-2013, 03:23 PM
I learned from the psp launch to never buy day 1 ever again! Remember psps problems on launch day?
Burnt pixels on the screen. So i have a psp with 2 very small burnt pixels
I could be mistaken, but I got the impression you would have to repurchase any games you previously owned should they become available on the PS4. Whereas for the Wii-U, again I believe, they have an upgrade fee.
I would assume that they are going to have a PSN on PS4. It's possible, that our current PSN accounts, can simply transfer over to the PS4, and we might have the option to play all the digital PS3 games that we bought on that account, thru the GaiKai streaming, whenever that service is available. As for retail only releases, or games where we bought the disk version, I'm guessing that those games will have to be purchased again, and there won't be any type of verification process or anything.
I'd be pretty surprised if they made us rebuy all the digital games that we bought, that were already tied to our PSN accounts on PS3.
If they really wanted to be anti-consumer, I guess they could call PSN something new on the PS4, and require everybody to register a brand new account, for their new network on PS4. They could claim that the PSN account is a PS3 thing, and has nothing to do with PS4. Personally, I don't think they will go this route, but anything is possible I suppose.
bb_hood
04-02-2013, 08:48 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if they made us rebuy all the digital games that we bought, that were already tied to our PSN accounts on PS3.
If they really wanted to be anti-consumer, I guess they could call PSN something new on the PS4, and require everybody to register a brand new account, for their new network on PS4. They could claim that the PSN account is a PS3 thing, and has nothing to do with PS4. Personally, I don't think they will go this route, but anything is possible I suppose.
I cant see them doing this, making previously purchased/downloaded content unavailable through the ps4 psn would alienate many of sony's loyal customers. Not only would game purchases be lost but also trophy collections stored on servers (if they went this route). I really cant see them not allowing us to access previously sold downloads. This would be the only reason I would NOT buy a ps4. They do call it the playstation network (psn) and not the PS3 network.