SMS HU card games. [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

Satoshi_Matrix

05-12-2013, 10:55 PM

lol they weren't Hu Cards, they were called "Sega My Cards" and then called "Sega Cards". Actually, since they were introduced in 1986, they predate the PC Engine.

Anyway, sorry to disappoint you but there isn't a single game worth owning on Sega Cards. The only ones that come close are My Hero or Transbot, but those are maybe 6/10 at best. It's a cool-on-paper concept, but the limited size coupled with Sega's lackluster library when the format was feasible meant it was doomed from the get-go.

BricatSegaFan

05-13-2013, 12:56 AM

I really want to just have a HU card game for my SMS just because.

Need a good choice of game to find and I don't know what it is good.

I always called them master cards....lol

MarioMania

05-13-2013, 01:49 AM

Besides only small games fit on the Cards

I think it's like 64K

XYXZYZ

05-13-2013, 11:20 AM

Hu-cards, Turbo-Chips...

Mega-chips?

Wraith Storm

05-13-2013, 01:50 PM

I always called them master cards....lol

Thats awesome! Lol. I never thought to call them that.

To answer the OPs question... Ghost House. I used to rent that game all the time. Its not amazing, or a system seller by any means, but its a fun and charming, albiet repetative arcade game.

Frankie_Says_Relax

05-13-2013, 02:14 PM

treismac

05-13-2013, 02:59 PM

My Hero is in my top 5 SMS games. A very solid port of the arcade version and a soundtrack that just won't fucking quit.

If you only buy one card, that's the one to buy.

I CHALLENGE you to listen to the main game song and not get it stuck in your head for the rest of the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i2MHLFPsds

Yeah, I wasn't going to say anything because I actually have my eye on My Hero right now on eBay. I did figure, however, that Frankie was going to take up for My Hero. The game is fun, charming, and, as mentioned, has a sweet little tune rocking through the first stage. I can't speak for Satoshi, but this game is definitely my cup of tea. Wait a day or so before you bid on it, bigbacon, providing you decide to grab it.

I just picked up a Power Converter at the flea market as chance would have it so that means Wonderboy, Shinobi, and, of course, My Hero are making their way to my home through the U.S. Postal Service right off the rip.

chrisbid

05-13-2013, 03:20 PM

spy vs spy is kindof fun with multiplayer

Wraith Storm

05-13-2013, 08:54 PM

InsaneDavid

05-13-2013, 09:02 PM

F-16 Fighting Falcon. Trust me on this. It's the killer app of the platform.

bigbacon

05-13-2013, 09:57 PM

hoping to find one on the cheap though.

Scissors

05-13-2013, 10:25 PM

I'd say My Hero and Ghost House are my favorites.

T2KFreeker

05-13-2013, 10:36 PM

Ghost House, My Hero, Spy VS Spy, and Teddy Boy were really cool. Just my two cents though.

05-14-2013, 01:10 AM

F-16 Fighting Falcon. Trust me on this. It's the killer app of the platform.

I pissed myself a little just then.

Satoshi_Matrix

05-14-2013, 01:12 AM

Yeah as mentioned, My Hero, Teddy Boy, Transbot and a few others are alright, but these are very simplistic games even for NES/SMS standards. You can kind of think of them as the Sega equivalent of the meh entries of the NES black box launch games like Baseball or Tennis or Pinball. What you get isn't awful, but also isn't great.

Koa Zo

05-14-2013, 05:38 AM

there are quite a few My Card games left in Japan which are quite enjoyable if you can appreciate mid/early 80's style gaming

here are some I own:
Bank Panic
Bomb Jack
C-SO!
Champion Billiards
Champion Boxing
Champion Ice Hockey
Championship Lode Runner
Chack 'n' Pop
Choplifter
Elevator Action
H.E.R.O.
Monaco GP
Pit Pot the Magical Castle
Pitfall II The Lost Caverns
Soukoban
Star Force
Super Tank
Woody Pop: Shinjinrui no Block Kuzushi
Zoom 909

Champion Billiards is an excellent game of pool by Compile, the music is surprisingly good for the era ~ but of course Compile has always been known for their excellent compositions
Choplifter is a great version of that game, and very enjoyable
Champion Boxing is rather good and quite unique
Woody Pop is one of my favorite ball&paddle/block games, and controls fantastically with the paddle controller
Star Force is pretty good
Elevator Action is fun
C-So! is a neat action game from Compile
Bomb Jack is very good
the only games I listed above which I don't enjoy are Load Runner and Soukoban

And it should be noted, these were introduced in 1985 along with the Hudson Bee Card for MSX computers.

bigbacon

05-14-2013, 11:20 AM

when I saw Pitfall 2 on there I was excited because I love the Atari 2600 version. Upon looking up videos I have to say. the Atari version is a lot better, specially the music even.

Satoshi_Matrix

05-14-2013, 02:19 PM

Aren't the Card games that were left in Japan for the SG-1000 Mark II? That would explain why they are so primitive/awful.

Koa Zo

05-14-2013, 02:45 PM

Yes most all of the My Card games were first released for SG-1000 compatible systems.
A couple later ones like Woody Pop are strictly Mark III compatible.

Calling them all "awful" is rather ignorant and unfairly dismissive. These games were designed in 1985, if you can't appreciate them in that context, and for the simple straight forward challenges they offer then that's fine, but awful as a blanket statement is almost juvenile.

SparTonberry

05-14-2013, 02:57 PM

F-16 Fighting Falcon. Trust me on this. It's the killer app of the platform.

I hear the game is terrible and also the only game incompatible with a Genesis+PBC.

InsaneDavid

05-14-2013, 06:42 PM

I hear the game is terrible and also the only game incompatible with a Genesis+PBC.

You heard wrong, it's spectacular. You are correct about the Genesis + Power Base Converter incompatibility however. The reason for that is F-16 Fighting Falcon has so much advanced programming, incredible graphics, and realism that it pushed the format to its very limit. You have to own the original hardware to experience this flagship title of the 8 bit era.

Frankie_Says_Relax

05-14-2013, 10:01 PM

when I saw Pitfall 2 on there I was excited because I love the Atari 2600 version. Upon looking up videos I have to say. the Atari version is a lot better, specially the music even.

It's a port of SEGA's arcade version.

While the 2600 game is an absolutely spectacular piece of 2600 software, the arcade game is a hell of a lot of fun.

I only wish the SMS/SG-1000 version didn't skimp on the graphical detail of the arcade. The Sega home version is n odd hybrid of the arcade and Atari versions.

Scotterpop

05-15-2013, 05:29 AM

It's a port of SEGA's arcade version.

While the 2600 game is an absolutely spectacular piece of 2600 software, the arcade game is a hell of a lot of fun.

I only wish the SMS/SG-1000 version didn't skimp on the graphical detail of the arcade. The Sega home version is n odd hybrid of the arcade and Atari versions.

Oh, man... I had no idea this version existed. Yet another version of this game I'm going to have to track down! But can anyone tell me if the Japanese My Card games will work on an American system?

theclaw

05-15-2013, 05:43 AM

Not on the Master System. Unless there's 1986 or later My Card games with western-style header.

Genesis removed that check and should run anything full Mark III mode.

Flashback2012

05-15-2013, 01:34 PM

+1 for Ghost House. I remember my brother and I put a lot of time into that game when we were kids.

Satoshi_Matrix

05-15-2013, 01:42 PM

Calling them all "awful" is rather ignorant and unfairly dismissive. These games were designed in 1985, if you can't appreciate them in that context, and for the simple straight forward challenges they offer then that's fine, but awful as a blanket statement is almost juvenile.

Yeah, fair enough. More accurately, the sega card games are awfully aged.

Thing is, that I like the Master System. A lot, in fact. Even so, none of the games on the card format stand the test of time in the same way many of the cartridge games do. I compare the Sega card games to the more forgettable entries in the NES black box series like Urban Champion or Baseball, and I think it's an apt comparison. Games like Urban Champion are equally as awfully aged for the NES and just as unrecommended.

The games on the card format unfortunately just don't amount to anything better than that level of quality overall. My Hero and Transbot are about the best on the format, but even those pale in comparison to the library available on cartridge. This thread is someone asking which ones are worth buying, and really, none of them are worth buying. It's a failed format for a reason. The best use of the card slot is for the Sega 3D glasses, not any actual Sega card games.

bigbacon

05-15-2013, 01:44 PM

grabbed My Hero while buying another N64 and bunch of N64 games last night.

next up, TG16..

treismac

05-15-2013, 08:01 PM

grabbed My Hero while buying another N64 and bunch of N64 games last night.

next up, TG16..

Thanks for holding up for a second. No sense in us both bidding over the same non-rare game, eh? My copy of My Hero is in transit from Fort Worth, TX as I write this and should arrive this Friday.

Here's hoping that my Power Base Converter works for both cartridges and cards.

bigbacon

05-15-2013, 08:17 PM

i used buy it now. I rarely deal with auctions.

tempted to pick up an untest tg16 now that was listed for like 15 bucks. No cords or anything but i read you can use the NES AC adaptor and such.

theclaw

05-15-2013, 08:33 PM

i used buy it now. I rarely deal with auctions.

tempted to pick up an untest tg16 now that was listed for like 15 bucks. No cords or anything but i read you can use the NES AC adaptor and such.

tg16 is easy to use. yet very limited in that state, rf video plus a small game library.

best thing you can do is plan ahead smartly. find the most cost effective way to run cds and turn its rgb video into useful form.

bigbacon

05-15-2013, 08:38 PM

i almost had a TG16 with all the cords, 2 controllers and 5 games but stupid me, was trying to pay attention to the last few minutes of the auction while trying to chat with a co-working about some stupid process I was coding and I missed the end and it would have been pretty cheap.

Gameguy

05-15-2013, 08:55 PM

tempted to pick up an untest tg16 now that was listed for like 15 bucks. No cords or anything but i read you can use the NES AC adaptor and such.
You can't use the NES adapter, you shouldn't use one of these on anything other than the NES. I'm pretty sure the Genesis model 1 adapter will work on it though.

I personally wouldn't bother buying a system untested without cords for $15, when a system is missing parts there's more of a chance it's not working right. More like $5 for a bare console would be better, if it doesn't work you can sell it for parts without losing anything.

bigbacon

05-15-2013, 09:01 PM

i knew there was an adaptor that I have that worked but forgot which one. the money is not a big deal. Thats how I got my Genesis a few months ago.

BricatSegaFan

05-16-2013, 05:43 PM

Thats awesome! Lol. I never thought to call them that.

I vote Sega master card to be its unofficial name then.

bigbacon

05-17-2013, 02:30 PM

got the game, and while fun, the game pad on the SMS makes it nearly impossible to play at times as switch from left to right or right to left often makes me duck and not move and I die :(

Emperor Megas

05-17-2013, 03:43 PM

I like Teddy Boy, My Hero and I especially love Ghost House.

xelement5x

05-17-2013, 05:28 PM

Ghost House and Spy Vs Spy are the only two I own which I really enjoy, so that's my input for this thread. I think there were only like 6 titles released for the SMS on Sega Card in the US. I should really just pick up the two I'm missing and be done with the set.

InsaneDavid

05-17-2013, 07:29 PM

got the game, and while fun, the game pad on the SMS makes it nearly impossible to play at times as switch from left to right or right to left often makes me duck and not move and I die :(

Then use a Genesis controller.

bigbacon

05-17-2013, 08:20 PM

I didn't know that...Sorry I am not a Sega person, never was, never even played an SMS or Genesis up uptil a few months ago.

treismac

05-18-2013, 12:40 AM

got the game, and while fun, the game pad on the SMS makes it nearly impossible to play at times as switch from left to right or right to left often makes me duck and not move and I die :(

So what's the consensus on Master System control pads? Is bigbacon's controller in need of retirement or are all Master System control pads hell to play with? I just bought a Power Base Converter, which I'm using a 6 button on, and I don't recall from the one time I played a Sega Master System in my childhood if the d-pad sucked or not. Honestly, I'm probably buying one or two anyway, but I'd still kinda like to know what to expect.

By the way, even with my 6 button Genesis controller, it is quite easy to die on My Hero. ;) Regardless, I'm so gonna master and beat the hell outta that game.

BricatSegaFan

05-18-2013, 01:00 AM

So what's the consensus on Master System control pads? Is bigbacon's controller in need of retirement or are all Master System control pads hell to play with? I just bought a Power Base Converter, which I'm using a 6 button on, and I don't recall from the one time I played a Sega Master System in my childhood if the d-pad sucked or not. Honestly, I'm probably buying one or two anyway, but I'd still kinda like to know what to expect.

By the way, even with my 6 button Genesis controller, it is quite easy to die on My Hero. ;) Regardless, I'm so gonna master and beat the hell outta that game.

It may be just his controller. But the dpad is kinda odd but not terribly inaccurate.

I too shall play my hero since everyone is talking about it. I picked mine up for 99cents and never touched it

Gameguy

05-18-2013, 01:16 AM

So what's the consensus on Master System control pads? Is bigbacon's controller in need of retirement or are all Master System control pads hell to play with?
They do suck, a lot. I found Double Dragon and Rampage to be unplayable with them.

bigbacon

05-18-2013, 11:18 AM

I find the SMS controllers just unusable because of the dpads shape. playing something like fantasy zone, where you have some freedom of movement and it becomes very problematic to me. If you aren't dead on you'll end up going diagonal. Both of my SMS controllers are like that, as is the joystick thing I have when it wants to work.

I cleaned my genesis controller this morning cause the buttons were stickings and everything was so much more playable.

As for my Hero, hard as hell. Can't get past hte first level, and the song will never leave your head.

BricatSegaFan

05-18-2013, 12:05 PM

Emperor Megas

05-18-2013, 02:29 PM

Wow, I feel like I'm in Bizarro World. I always love the SMS controller, and especially the D-pad. I always hate the way the NES were hard and didn't have corners.

Bazoo

05-18-2013, 04:53 PM

Yeah, I personally enjoy the SMS controller. Except for a few games--I found Golvellius to be wonky with it, so I use genesis for that. In general, though, my hands tend to like the SMS buttons. I would probably rank it above the original NES controller (!) but below the dogbone controller.

sloan

05-18-2013, 06:52 PM

Like the OP, I would also like to add some Sega card games to my Master System collection. Could someone provide an all-inclusive list of card-based games on SMS? Thanks.

SparTonberry

05-18-2013, 09:43 PM

Tried a Google search for "sega card games"? :P
The first result (http://segaretro.org/Sega_Card) looks good.

Parodius Duh!

05-20-2013, 04:37 PM

Weren't there versions of the sms controller that had little joystick nubs in the center of the dpad? one was removable the other wasn't.

As for my hero, I make it all the way to knife guy in the first stage. That game is hard!

Yes, all of them. and they are all removable. I believe its only the player 1 controller though. The Competition Pro controller is the best for the system, only released in Europe (all Euro released games and accesories will work in a US sytem, except for Jungle Book and Back to the Future III).

Theres only one on epay at the moment: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Master-system-COMPETION-PRO-CONTROL-PAD-TURBO-AUTO-FIRE-RARE-JOY-CONTROLLER-/200921568124?pt=UK_Controllers_Attachments&hash=item2ec7dbd37c

bigbacon

05-26-2013, 09:08 PM

I finally beat level 1..geeze, level 2 was fine until those spitting frogs.

DDoes my hero exist in any other console form that more closely matches the arcade version?

treismac

05-27-2013, 11:50 PM

I finally beat level 1..geeze, level 2 was fine until those spitting frogs.

DDoes my hero exist in any other console form that more closely matches the arcade version?

I've been playing a little My Hero here and there as I recover from a nasty ear infection, and I am up to level 3, and I too know the pain of those damn spitting frogs. There is some spot in the 3rd level where a team of two frogs keep me from going any further. I wish you could kill those bastards as they have a strange hit bubble around them that I struggle to jump over and avoid.

If the Almighty Wikipedia is to be believed, the Sega Master System port is the only port of My Hero.

bigbacon

05-28-2013, 08:12 AM

that is a shame, the arcade version needs to be put out there somewhere.

FOnewearl

05-28-2013, 08:19 AM

I finally beat level 1..

I clicked into this thread and this was as far as I got and I knew what game you had to be talking about lol

treismac

05-28-2013, 09:50 AM

that is a shame, the arcade version needs to be put out there somewhere.

I agree. In addition to a pixel perfect arcade port I'd like to see a sequel that maintains all of the original play mechanics and just adds new levels and enemies ala SMB 2 Japan. For the record, I would not complain about the addition or option of a life bar. As long as I'm fantasizing, a Kung Fu Master/My Hero crossover would be cool.

goldenband

05-28-2013, 02:03 PM

Oh, man... I had no idea this version existed. Yet another version of this game I'm going to have to track down! But can anyone tell me if the Japanese My Card games will work on an American system?

Not on the Master System. Unless there's 1986 or later My Card games with western-style header.

Genesis removed that check and should run anything full Mark III mode.

Be careful here, since there's some fuzziness about whether we're talking about SG-1000 cards or Mark III/SMS cards. Just to be clear, none of the SG-1000 games will run on the Genesis, because it doesn't support the TMS9918 video modes. You'll get a black screen with game sounds, but no video.

The same is true of F-16 Fighting Falcon, and a handful of unlicensed and/or Korean SMS titles (mostly MSX ports) that also used those modes.

In addition, all the SG-1000 games have incorrect colors (too dark) on Mark III/SMS hardware. Some games aren't harmed too much, and I believe some others were adjusted for the new palette, but a few SG-1000 games are borderline unplayable on SMS/Mark III because of it.

BTW the SG-1000 is basically a ColecoVision in all but name (the BIOS is the only major difference, plus the controllers obviously), and various people have been busily porting the SG-1000 library to CV. Other than buying a Dima 2-in-1, or using a Game Gear with a flashcart that sets up the right palette, that's the only way to experience SG-1000 games with the correct colors on US-released hardware.

I like the SG-1000 a lot, and in some ways I prefer the "feel" of its library to the ColecoVision's. I translated a couple games for it, which was fun, and other people have translated Black Onyx and Sokoban. There are only 5-6 games left that have any Japanese at all, and of those, only one requires the language IIRC (Loretta no Shouzou: Sherlock Holmes).

M.Buster2184

05-29-2013, 07:33 AM

I feel left out. I have an SMS which I enjoy, but no my card games. Offhand, does anyone know how many of these were released?

Flashback2012

05-29-2013, 02:20 PM

I feel left out. I have an SMS which I enjoy, but no my card games. Offhand, does anyone know how many of these were released?

F16 Fighting Falcon
Ghost House
My Hero
Spy vs. Spy
Super Tennis
Teddy Boy
TransBot
Woody Pop

These are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Perusing eBay I see games like Hang-On and Bank Panic listed but I don't ever remember seeing them growing up in card form (it could be I just don't remember).

xelement5x

05-29-2013, 05:54 PM

F16 Fighting Falcon
Ghost House
My Hero
Spy vs. Spy
Super Tennis
Teddy Boy
TransBot
Woody Pop

These are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Perusing eBay I see games like Hang-On and Bank Panic listed but I don't ever remember seeing them growing up in card form (it could be I just don't remember).

Depends on where you grew up, some titles weren't released in the US on a Sega Card, but were in the EU or Japan.

BlastProcessing402

06-05-2013, 07:13 PM

Weren't there versions of the sms controller that had little joystick nubs in the center of the dpad? one was removable the other wasn't.

Yes, all of them. and they are all removable. I believe its only the player 1 controller though.

No, it wasn't all of them. I had two SMSes (first one broke and got a replacement as it was still in warranty) and neither had any such thing on the d-pad of the controllers.

Also, there was no "player 1 controller" there were two completely interchangeable controllers.

I'm not saying no SMS controllers ever had such a thing, I'm just saying they didn't all have them. I believe it was only on early ones, probably phased out when they moved the cord from the side to the top of the controller. Definitely gone by Christmas 87, since that's when I got my first one.

They do suck, a lot. I found Double Dragon and Rampage to be unplayable with them.

Never played SMS Rampage, but never had a problem playing Double Dragon with the SMS pads.

So what's the consensus on Master System control pads? Is bigbacon's controller in need of retirement or are all Master System control pads hell to play with? I just bought a Power Base Converter, which I'm using a 6 button on, and I don't recall from the one time I played a Sega Master System in my childhood if the d-pad sucked or not. Honestly, I'm probably buying one or two anyway, but I'd still kinda like to know what to expect.

By the way, even with my 6 button Genesis controller, it is quite easy to die on My Hero. ;) Regardless, I'm so gonna master and beat the hell outta that game.

I would definitely use a Genesis controller over an SMS one, BUT there are a few games like Alien Syndrome that just freak out at the Gen controller and won't work right, so you should keep one around for those. It's definitely a weird D-pad, but not so bad that I ever found it hindering my game playing.

I also had a Control Stick, now that was a bit weird, what with the buttons on the left instead of the right. That took a lot of getting used to after using an Advantage on my NES. The big square block on the tip of the stick (instead of a ball) was also odd. I think it was supposed to look like a gear shift or something. Anyway, sold that along with my SMS (and controllers) when I got a Power Base Converter. Kinda regret that whole deal, but oh well.

MeTmKnice

06-06-2013, 01:33 AM

You can't use the NES adapter, you shouldn't use one of these on anything other than the NES. I'm pretty sure the Genesis model 1 adapter will work on it though.

I personally wouldn't bother buying a system untested without cords for $15, when a system is missing parts there's more of a chance it's not working right. More like $5 for a bare console would be better, if it doesn't work you can sell it for parts without losing anything.

AS far as the adapters go, I have used both. Also used the Genny 1 for NES. The Genny adapter I believe is 1000mA and NES is 700-800? Do not remember what the requirements for the TG-16 are.
In transition of moving a couple times I have misplaced my RF/AV cable for my TG-16, anyone have one for cheap?

Gameguy

06-06-2013, 01:44 AM

In transition of moving a couple times I have misplaced my RF/AV cable for my TG-16, anyone have one for cheap?
You could use the NES or Genesis 1 RF cables if you have those handy.

BlastProcessing402

06-08-2013, 04:39 PM

AS far as the adapters go, I have used both. Also used the Genny 1 for NES. The Genny adapter I believe is 1000mA and NES is 700-800? Do not remember what the requirements for the TG-16 are.
In transition of moving a couple times I have misplaced my RF/AV cable for my TG-16, anyone have one for cheap?

You really shouldn't use an NES power supply on a TG, you've been lucky so far.

As for RF for TG, shouldn't be hard to find, any of the RF switches for NES, SNES, Genesis, SMS, etc should work.