Microsoft Officially Unveils Xbox One For Holiday 2013

[The 1 2 P]

We Finally have a title, which is apparently short for all-in-one system. The console was shown in full but the presentation was light on several details. We now have to wait for E3 for further info.

[Greg2600]

That is the worst console name in video game history. How can you name your THIRD console ONE? Now when we go to search the original XBOX it's going to be mixed in with this one. Unbelievably stupid.

[The 1 2 P]

That is the worst console name in video game history. How can you name your THIRD console ONE? Now when we go to search the original XBOX it's going to be mixed in with this one. Unbelievably stupid.

That made me LOL. It is a weird ass name for their third system.

[Red Warrior]

That is the worst console name in video game history. How can you name your THIRD console ONE? Now when we go to search the original XBOX it's going to be mixed in with this one. Unbelievably stupid.

I agree that the name seems pretty stupid, but have you forgotten about Wii already? I love Nintendo, but the name "Wii" is still the all time most ridiculous name for a console in history.

[Vinnysdad]

Not liking this One at all. It looks like a cable or satellite receiver box

[VG_Maniac]

And I thought Nintendo was dumb for naming their new system "Wii U"...but I think the name "XBOX One" is even worse. What is their reasoning behind naming their third console "ONE"?

[Xian042]

And I thought Nintendo was dumb for naming their new system "Wii U"...but I think the name "XBOX One" is even worse. What is their reasoning behind naming their third console "ONE"?

xbox reboot

xbox is the only "one" you need

kinect, internet, TV, games, all in "one"

[JakeM]

This is going to cause many many normal gamers to be very confused in later years when getting into collecting and retro gaming.

Guess this thread is just about the name, not about the whole event like the other thread.

[The 1 2 P]

I wanted Alan Wake 2 but I'll gladly take Quantum Break for now because the Xbox could use some more exclusive series. Plus I love Remedy. Also looking forward to the new live action Halo tv series.

[The 1 2 P]

xbox reboot

xbox is the only "one" you need

kinect, internet, TV, games, all in "one"

Yeah now I get it because Don Mattrick pretty much repeated what you just said. The "One" stands for all-in-one or only one.

[Greg2600]

Not liking this One at all. It looks like a cable or satellite receiver box

Well that what it is after all.

[Tupin]

Already has jokes flying around, with all of the nongame stuff they've sbown: "Xbox One- Exactly how many they'll sell."

[The 1 2 P]

This reveal was short but sweet. I didn't expect the launch price or exact date but I atleast wanted more details about my XBL account. We'll obviously be able to transfer them over to the new console but will our achievements and gamer score migrate as well? What about our 360 DLC games/content? Hopefully we get most of those answers at E3. I wish they would have shown more gaming content but at the very least they showed the actual system. I also think that during one of the specs reveals it showed that the console comes with a 500 GB hard drive. Hopefully that turns out to be true. As for Kinect 2.....um, I need more details. I mean, I know it comes standard but hopefully you don't have to use it for every game.

[kupomogli]

We Finally have a title.

You could have used the thread that I posted three hours ago instead of what's practically a duplicate thread.

[JakeM]

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987


Are developers forced to create games that have these online features, and are thus not playable offline? They are not, Xbox exec Whitten said to Wired — but “I hope they do.” So the always-online future may come in incremental steps.

So it's up to the developer. Some games may require an Internet connection; some may not. The future of always-online remains hazy.

[kupomogli]

So it's not always online, but the disc is tied to a Live account in order to play? I don't see this going over very well.

Also, if people can pay an additional fee for a used game to be tied to their system, then what's to stop people from renting or borrowing the game, downloading it, then paying $10 dollars to have ownership of the game permanently? Unless once the Xbox logs back online ownership is switched, and if the other owner wants to regain ownership they'll need to purchase the code once more.

[Tupin]

Sony's stocks skyrocketed after the reveal of the One. If Sony doesn't do the used game thing, it won't even be a contest.

I already was going to hold off on buying a One for at least a year after that godawful conference, the used game thing just ensured that I will never buy one.

[Bojay1997]

Sony's stocks skyrocketed after the reveal of the One. If Sony doesn't do the used game thing, it won't even be a contest.

I already was going to hold off on buying a One for at least a year after that godawful conference, the used game thing just ensured that I will never buy one.

I was incredibly disappointed by the Xbox One reveal today. It literally appears to be a cable box/DVR that also plays games. As far as I can tell, they didn't even show a single frame of actual game play in any of the tiny number of games they showed. Honestly, this might be the first generation in 20 years where I don't get one of the new consoles at launch. If PS4 actually plays used games without some registration requirement and doesn't require a full time Internet connection, it might be the only new console I buy this generation. At a minimum, it appears there is no real way to collect games with the Xbox One, so that should save me some money.

[kupomogli]

Honestly, this might be the first generation in 20 years where I don't get one of the new consoles at launch.

Didn't you buy a Wii U at launch? So I'm going to quote you on Wii U not being next gen in the future okay?

I'm just kidding, though. I'll probably still quote you on it, but as long as it has good games, next gen doesn't matter.

[CDiablo]

So it's not always online, but the disc is tied to a Live account in order to play? I don't see this going over very well.

Also, if people can pay an additional fee for a used game to be tied to their system, then what's to stop people from renting or borrowing the game, downloading it, then paying $10 dollars to have ownership of the game permanently? Unless once the Xbox logs back online ownership is switched, and if the other owner wants to regain ownership they'll need to purchase the code once more.

I assume ownership of a "used" game license will be slightly cheaper than MSRP. MS is going the Steam DRM route with this system and with EA mysteriously dropping their online pass I expect Sony to follow.

[TonyTheTiger]

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2guxv1h.jpg

[wallydawg]

That is the worst console name in video game history. How can you name your THIRD console ONE? Now when we go to search the original XBOX it's going to be mixed in with this one. Unbelievably stupid.

Not as bad as "xbox 720" would have been imo.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Well, until they show a games-in-development lineup from all the usual suspects my fears are realized.

Diminished focus on games and/or game franchises that would keep me interested in the XBOX brand.

While I know that billions do, I don't play HALO, Call of Duty, Forza or any sports games.

So, based on what I saw today, system hardware looks fine, but there's not a game in the lot that has me even remotely interested.

I'm also amused by the inclusion of a Blu-Ray drive. Sony developed tech in a directly-competing game console. Brilliant.

[TonyTheTiger]

I wouldn't worry about the software. That'll come. The box is pretty much right in line with expectations and, like the PS4, probably addressed just about all of developers' major complaints from this previous generation. So long as there are no major hiccups like reliability issues, crippling bottlenecks, or insane price points holding it back, I can't imagine publishers will shy away. I'm rarely an early adopter but when's the last time a console has been a slam dunk with its software lineup right out of the gate, let alone during the initial reveal?

[T2KFreeker]

Oh boy. Even though I enjoyed the original XBOX and the 360, this one looks like a dunk in the meh tank. Used games not allowed killed it for me. Way to go Microsoft.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I wouldn't worry about the software. That'll come. The box is pretty much right in line with expectations and, like the PS4, probably addressed just about all of developers' major complaints from this previous generation. So long as there are no major hiccups like reliability issues, crippling bottlenecks, or insane price points holding it back, I can't imagine publishers will shy away. I'm rarely an early adopter but when's the last time a console has been a slam dunk with its software lineup right out of the gate, let alone during the initial reveal?

Well, I would say based on the lack of exclusive 3rd party content and new 1st party IPs in the recent past on the 360 that they COULD HAVE made a greater effort to plant some seed of interest in my demographic (those who have largely migrated away from 360 relative to the lack of varied exclusives).

I'm sure that we'll get a better scope of what software may be coming in the near future, but personally I was hoping for some more sizzle reels here. What we did get was more of the same-old-same-old IMO: FORZA, SPORTS, COD, SPORTS and SPORTS.

As far as strong launch lineups? I'll always remember Dreamcast having a particularly varied selection of stuff to choose from that showed off the system's power and abilities.

[Superman]

Now when we go to search the original XBOX it's going to be mixed in with this one. Unbelievably stupid.

I know I got confused by the name already. I saw the title of another thread about PS4 and Xbox one.

I didn't know why they were comparing a new system to a system from a couple of generations ago. :embarrassed:

[Rickstilwell1]

I might get one if somebody hacks the system to rid it of the required installation process. Then still buy the games new if I want to support publishers. That way I'd at least know if the servers get shut down when the system after this one comes out, my games would still work due to not having to be activated anymore.

But look at it this way, people won't be able to sell their used games for as high of prices because everybody knows there will be that added on fee. So will we be seeing used Xbox One games for $5 on ebay across the board? I also imagine there will be games that won't sell well and just end up in the budget $20 section new after a while if $50 seems too much per game.

At least they have some sort of system where games are transferrable period and used discs don't ever become useless.

Still everything about it makes this system behave more like a PC than a console when it comes to game installation (minus having to deal with knowing whether or not you have the right system specs and good brands of chipsets.)

It's not like PS3 where just part of the game is installed; this process installs the whole thing. It's like buying digital games, only you have a physical backup disc of that digital game now. So this system is a viable route for people who buy digital download games all the time. The real question is what kinds of games will compete between this system and the PS4. And will the Wii U ever get some kinds of games so innovative and fun like a really high quality Zelda that people will want one even after getting one of the newer systems.

[Bojay1997]

Didn't you buy a Wii U at launch? So I'm going to quote you on Wii U not being next gen in the future okay?

I'm just kidding, though. I'll probably still quote you on it, but as long as it has good games, next gen doesn't matter.

You must have me confused with someone else. I did buy a WiiU at launch. I don't consider the WiiU "next generation" whatever that means. I consider it more of a half or quarter step between the Wii/Xbox 360/PS3 generation and the upcoming PS4 and Xbox One generation.

[WCP]

Everybody is assuming that Sony isn't going to have a similar used game policy, but I'm not so sure about that.


First off, while Sony did say that a person would be able to play used games on the PS4, they didn't say "how" that would be accomplished. Technically, used games "will" be playable on Xbox One, but it will come with a fee. Sony could end up doing the exact same thing. My interest in both consoles is going to be tepid at best, until there is more information on how the whole used game thing is going to work.


TONS of unanswered questions still remain.

[BricatSegaFan]

Did they get their naming scheme from HTC?

HTC's newest phone is called the ONE.

[Bojay1997]

Everybody is assuming that Sony isn't going to have a similar used game policy, but I'm not so sure about that.


First off, while Sony did say that a person would be able to play used games on the PS4, they didn't say "how" that would be accomplished. Technically, used games "will" be playable on Xbox One, but it will come with a fee. Sony could end up doing the exact same thing. My interest in both consoles is going to be tepid at best, until there is more information on how the whole used game thing is going to work.


TONS of unanswered questions still remain.

I agree. Sony definitely left the door open for charging for used games and for games requiring an Internet connection. Frankly, I don't think it's likely that big publishers like EA would accept a closed system from Microsoft, but a wide open one from Sony. If anything, I think it's more likely that both new platforms will have structures in place to charge for used copies which in and of itself will require an Internet connection for at least some amount of time to do the registration.

[Lucifersam1]

I am amused by this too. Does that mean that by some licensing agreement with whomever made the drive, Sony ultimately gets a piece of MSFT's pie? They have to buy the drive, and the manufacturer probably charges some fee to MSFT to offset the cost of licensing the rights from Sony? Not really sure how it works, but it seems logical?

Also, in response to whomever stated they were content with 500GB, I thought that 500GB seemed a bit paltry in this day and age





I'm also amused by the inclusion of a Blu-Ray drive. Sony developed tech in a directly-competing game console. Brilliant.

[Bojay1997]

I am amused by this too. Does that mean that by some licensing agreement with whomever made the drive, Sony ultimately gets a piece of MSFT's pie? They have to buy the drive, and the manufacturer probably charges some fee to MSFT to offset the cost of licensing the rights from Sony? Not really sure how it works, but it seems logical?

Also, in response to whomever stated they were content with 500GB, I thought that 500GB seemed a bit paltry in this day and age

Yes, Sony is part of the group of patent holding companies that created Blu Ray and therefore shares in licensing fees for both hardware and discs. Having said that, those total licensing fees are only about $10 for a drive and under fifteen cents per disc last time I checked and Sony's share is a much smaller piece of each of those. Of course, in success, Microsoft could end up paying Sony millions in licensing fees for drives and discs.

[Collector_Gaming]

So far none of it impresses me at all.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/984191_566910480041695_1589235409_n.jpg

I did find this funny though

But to me that kinda bugs me... Is that to me its no longer a video game console... I mean Xbox 360 was following a thin line... But now its a computer.... Might as well just buy a gaming pc and a hook up a 360 controller and BAM same exact damn thing

[Gameguy]

Did they get their naming scheme from HTC?

HTC's newest phone is called the ONE.
I thought it was taken from Pepsi. They could have just got Michael J Fox to help advertise it and it might seem cooler. To me it looks like a satellite receiver.

[heybtbm]

That is the worst console name in video game history.

No...that would be "Wii" followed by "Wii U". Both are infinitely worse.

[Rob2600]

"Saturn", "Dreamcast", and "PlayStation" are serious contenders for worst console names ever. Especially "Dreamcast" and "PlayStation".

And "Neo-Geo". And "Turbo Grafx 16". And "Xbox".

In fact, most video game console names are really stupid.

[Nionel]

Sony could really use this whole used games debacle to their advantage if they were to announce that they don't have restrictions for used games on the PS4, ditto to Nintendo since we know for a fact the Wii U doesn't have any blocks on used games.

Back on topic, the reveal was pretty underwhelming. While I thought that CoD: Ghosts looks better than the previous CoD titles, and I'm not a CoD fan, but I don't care about Forza and EA's sports titles. This whole thin just made me wonder what happened to using game consoles to play games? I mean, yeah, I've used my Xbox and PS3 for Netflix and watching movies, but live TV and Skype? This is getting a little crazy. Call me old fashioned, but I want my console to do gaming first and have everything else take a back seat to that.

[Ed Oscuro]

I don't know, nothing is quite as embarrassing as showing that you don't know how to count.

Saturn is a great name - Titan too. Nothing wrong with Dreamcast either.

@ WCP:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-08-sony-definitively-rules-out-always-online-for-ps4

Maybe Sony's been treated more gently by the leaks, but when you've ruled out an always-online policy, the most obvious method of ruling out used game usage - tying an activation code to one account, and only moving it if the current owner pays a fee - doesn't seem workable.

[Bojay1997]

I don't know, nothing is quite as embarrassing as showing that you don't know how to count.

Saturn is a great name - Titan too. Nothing wrong with Dreamcast either.

@ WCP:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-08-sony-definitively-rules-out-always-online-for-ps4

Maybe Sony's been treated more gently by the leaks, but when you've ruled out an always-online policy, the most obvious method of ruling out used game usage - tying an activation code to one account, and only moving it if the current owner pays a fee - doesn't seem workable.

Saying that you ruled out always online is not the same as saying the PS4 will never have to be online. The PC has had Internet based activation since dial-up days. I would be shocked if Sony didn't require the same, especially in light of Microsoft's announcement and the pressure they will get from large publishers like EA and others. If Sony has major markets where no Internet is available for some reason, I can see them developing a custom version of the PS4 for those markets or some other means of activation like texting an activation code or even calling a phone number, but to be honest, I doubt many places like that exist anymore, at least not in the US, Europe or most of Asia.

[Ed Oscuro]

Those are all possibilities, but they are also far-fetched. Doing communication with a central server, as the Xbox One, is going to be cheap for Microsoft (or anybody) and far less problematic than trying to administer alternate activation methods just to delay an inevitable reveal of obnoxious new limitations on software use. Sony has already financially profited from Microsoft's assertions, but such profits would quickly evaporate along with the unintentional goodwill generated by Microsoft for Sony.

In the case of the Xbox, we had plenty of "rumors" - mostly leaks, actually - which ended up being worse than what was thought. There were some technically accurate but incomplete "counter-leaks" which purported to disprove always online...which ended up just being some confirmation that no, not even Microsoft is stupid enough to sign you out of a game if you temporarily lose a connection.

On the PS4 side, we don't have any rumors to even start building a case from, just pure speculation. And, for somebody who protested the always online rumors so much, I don't see why you can justify trying to invent rumors. If it was bad to pay attention to leaked (but legitimate) information, surely it's at least as bad to just create rumors out of thin air.

EA can say whatever they want to Sony, but I think Sony now have good cause to be suspicious that they need to build in a draconian "online pass" - like system, as Microsoft has done.

[PreZZ]

From 2006 to 2009, I only played my 360 and my ps3 was covered with dust. But since 2009, PS3 became my favorite system, it had more exclusives and ever since MS launched Kinect they lost their focus on gamers. I dont give a fuck about cameras, wands, waggle controllers, etc its just a useless gimmick. This one requires a new Kinect or else it wont play!! Have fun with Kinectimals One and buying a new house just to have a big sized gaming room to play with it. And MS not denying all the used game stuff just proves they will try to get every penny possible... Fuck it. And if ps4 does the same bullshit, fuck it too. Wii U might be good after all!

[Bojay1997]

Those are all possibilities, but they are also far-fetched. Doing communication with a central server, as the Xbox One, is going to be cheap for Microsoft (or anybody) and far less problematic than trying to administer alternate activation methods just to delay an inevitable reveal of obnoxious new limitations on software use. Sony has already financially profited from Microsoft's assertions, but such profits would quickly evaporate along with the unintentional goodwill generated by Microsoft for Sony.

In the case of the Xbox, we had plenty of "rumors" - mostly leaks, actually - which ended up being worse than what was thought. There were some technically accurate but incomplete "counter-leaks" which purported to disprove always online...which ended up just being some confirmation that no, not even Microsoft is stupid enough to sign you out of a game if you temporarily lose a connection.

On the PS4 side, we don't have any rumors to even start building a case from, just pure speculation. And, for somebody who protested the always online rumors so much, I don't see why you can justify trying to invent rumors. If it was bad to pay attention to leaked (but legitimate) information, surely it's at least as bad to just create rumors out of thin air.

Also, what pressure is Sony under from EA? EA appears to be exclusive with Microsoft this round. Quite apparently they only announced they're ditching online passes (about a week ago) because the new Microsoft system does everything online passes did, but more comprehensively (and with less cost to EA, because it'll all be on Microsoft servers now).

We do have what Sony revealed at their press event. They could have easily said, no Internet connection required and used games work the same way they do today. Given how much Internet and video game media speculation there was following the discovery of that Sony patent last year and in the weeks and months leading up to their event, they had to be aware that it was a concern. The fact that they didn't immediately storm the video game media the minute Microsoft's press event ended today trumpeting that the PS4 doesn't require an Internet connection and that used games are completely transferrable and reusable without additional fees indicates that maybe that's not the whole story. Just like rumors can sometimes have a kernel of truth inside, so too can omissions or a lack of a firm and complete statement of information from company spokespeople.

Sony needs EA and just because EA is providing Microsoft with added features doesn't mean they are going single console this time. Without Fifa and Madden, Sony would have no viable football or soccer games and would lose two of its consistently biggest selling third party games worldwide. Sony also stated at least once in the past few weeks that it will allow content providers to choose how they do content protection. You can be sure that Sony will allow EA and any other third party which so chooses to limit content to a single user or family and require Internet activation in much the same way that online passes used to work.

[TonyTheTiger]

To me it looks like a satellite receiver.

It's specifically designed to look like a set-top box. I'm assuming that was deliberate. Any kind of entertainment system centerpiece like a DVD player or A/V receiver should ideally be very neutral. They went heavy in favor of the "big black rectangle nobody notices" aesthetic. I honestly like it quite a bit. It doesn't have the personality of consoles past and it is awfully large but it actually looks the part of an entertainment center. And I like the idea that it's apparently designed to allow easy stacking of other devices.


In fact, most video game console names are really stupid.

Yeah, but Xbox One is the only name that will actively mess with people. Suddenly "Xbox 1" and "Xbox One" mean completely different things. It feels like trolling. If Nintendo were doing it and we had the "Nintendo One" it wouldn't be an issue since nobody uses that terminology to refer to the NES. But just about everyone uses "Xbox 1" when they need to specify the original.

[Ed Oscuro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

They could have easily said, no Internet connection required and used games work the same way they do today.
Sounds like you want me to prove a negative here.

Sony didn't say "PS4 doesn't kill cute baboon babies," I guess speculation about whether PS4 kills cute baby baboons is kosher now.

Working from leaks > just making up stuff because we don't have perfect information. Sooner or later you'll get what I'm saying.

Also, "no Internet connection" is not something anybody has been saying. Ever. You obviously need an internet connection for some things. Whether a game wants to go online for updates is one thing, as is having the system sitting in a kind of sleep mode for instant-on. Forcing the user to connect every 24 hours or else you lose the game is another.

And I like the idea that it's apparently designed to allow easy stacking of other devices.
Now you can transfer the Xbox One heat failure experience to your other beloved electronic boxes!

Yeah, but Xbox One is the only name that will actively mess with people. Suddenly "Xbox 1" and "Xbox One" mean completely different things. It feels like trolling.
Kind of like how consistently failing to have a plan for keeping old software playable in the future, and then making that model the default for the entire system, might be considered trolling?

[TonyTheTiger]

Now you can transfer the Xbox One heat failure experience to your other beloved electronic boxes!

I'm assuming the size is basically MS saying "fuck it, let's be REAL SURE."

[Bojay1997]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

Sounds like you want me to prove a negative here.

Sony didn't say "PS4 doesn't kill cute baboon babies," I guess speculation about whether PS4 kills cute baby baboons is kosher now.

Working from leaks > just making up stuff because we don't have perfect information. Sooner or later you'll get what I'm saying.

Also, "no Internet connection" is not something anybody has been saying. Ever. You obviously need an internet connection for some things. Whether a game wants to go online for updates is one thing, as is having the system sitting in a kind of sleep mode for instant-on. Forcing the user to connect every 24 hours or else you lose the game is another.

Now you can transfer the Xbox One heat failure experience to your other beloved electronic boxes!

Kind of like how consistently failing to have a plan for keeping old software playable in the future, and then making that model the default for the entire system, might be considered trolling?

I don't need you to prove anything. Sony filed a patent application for a means of locking a game to a particular user account. That's not a rumor, that's a factual statement. http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-patents-tech-to-block-used-games-6401992. The fact that Sony still hasn't clearly and unequivocally stated that used games can be freely transferred without a fee or some re-licensing process is still a perfectly valid concern. Saying a console can play used games is technically still true of the Xbox One, but it doesn't change the fact that it's not the same as being able to play used games without re-registration or re-licensing or being signed in to a specific user profile.

You're also backtracking on the Internet connection. The PS3, Xbox 360 and WiiU can all be played and used for gaming without ever having been connected to the Internet. Mandatory system updates are distributed on game discs currently for those gamers who don't use the Internet with their consoles. For example, my brother took his Xbox 360 on a destroyer while he was on deployment for six months. He and his crewmates played the thing every day. He had no Internet access as the only Internet connections on the ship were secured and used with specific e-mail terminals. To this day he still uses that 360 and his kids play it and it has never been connected to the Internet even once. IMHO, there should never be a requirement that a console be connected to the Internet if the user has no interest in using online functionality. It appears that you are conceding that the PS4 may in fact require such a connection and if that's the case with the PS4, Sony is going to face at least some level of backlash similar to what Microsoft is now facing.

[klausien]

We shouldn't have to debate any of this. There just shouldn't be ownership restrictions on this stuff. It all started ages ago with the idea of software licensing to combat widespread piracy, and has finally reached gaming via the same industry players. What a surprise. The fears everyone nourished in the wake of M$ joining the console game have come to stunning fruition.

The direction the next generation appears to actually be taking has answered my questions about my current XBLA games that don't work when the system isn't connected. They aren't mine, never were, and they most certainly will be gone when they kill the service someday. There will be no magic unlock patch to allow me to play them without the service. The truth is that we all have already been stiffed - now they're just taking a little more off the top. Once a door is opened, it is very difficult to close. Advantages will always be taken regardless of consequences. It's a process not unlike the way a frog will cook itself to death if the temperature of the water in the pot increases gradually. That said, I think I will miss AfterBurner Climax, Daytona USA and RayStorm HD the most.

The FPS, sports and online multiplayer games that have dominated the market this generation and the people who are addicted to them are the market's only concern - but I understand. The producers are only a small part of the overall equation. We also have to realize the part we play in all of this. The purpose of business is and has always been profit and nothing else. The retro market has proven that it is not profitable; evidenced by the myriad of reboots and remakes that sold poorly this generation. The penny-pinching and low-balling that are a part of all collector cultures also kill many of the games this same niche of gamers clamor for because essentially everyone refuses to pay the MSRP. Just as with the complete commercialization of popular music, popular gaming has now officially lost its soul. C'est la vie.

[CDiablo]

People were excited for the "Steam Box" but MS beat them to the punch and are now angry.

[JakeM]

This console is evil, and if people buy it theyre apart of the problem. It goes beyond problems in gaming into problems with society. A huge corporation is selling kids a box that will spy on them 24/7, once parent s figure this out I hope they'll make their kids understand how bad this is, but most kids wont listen. I hope the machine dies at the store and people stay away from it.


This is the worst console ever made, its worse than the Pippin, Jaguar, and the CD-i.

[Ed Oscuro]

Indeed:

http://techland.time.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-revealed-microsofts-next-gen-console-emphasizes-tv-over-games/

"Xbox LIVE — which still looks pretty much like the version of Xbox LIVE you’re using today — now remembers what you were last doing, what game you were playing, what song you were listening to and so forth, surfacing that information automatically."

BEADWINDOW codes 1, 3, 4, 6, and 7, don't you think?
Roger, out.

[Daltone]

Bleh. I'm starting to feel like I may as well get a Steam box.

As for Sony, this is the company that released the PSP Go, a device that only allowed you to purchase from their over priced online store.

[Ed Oscuro]

I think Sony is backing off the direction seen in the PSP Go experiment - what it ended up being; Sony must have noticed it didn't sell well - and Vita is somewhat more consumer-friendly than that, I think.

The Go was pretty upfront about what you'd get; without physical media, of course you'd only be getting it from the online stores. No discs to confuse people into thinking they'd be able to sell the games.

[Rob2600]

I'm assuming the size is basically MS saying "fuck it, let's be REAL SURE."

Let's hope they didn't skimp on the fans and thermal paste this time! :)

[Collector_Gaming]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

I'll just leave this here.... Let the rage begin

[Graham Mitchell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

I'll just leave this here.... Let the rage begin

I love that video.

I'm not really surprised that this presentation ended up that way. Every generation the consoles get a bit further from my interests and start to cater to the jocks who made fun of me for playing NES. They might as well have called this presentation "fuck you, you faggot nerd."

Since both the "One" and the PS4 are x86 based, and I'm already a committed PC gamer, neither of these are looking too appealing to me. My PC is already more powerful than both of these. I'm really hoping the "One" doesn't end up with a bunch of awesome Cave shooters or something because I REALLY don't want to have to buy one.

[JakeM]

More hits keep on coming. Microsoft should rehire Adam Orth, keep greedy bastards in the same company.

http://kotaku.com/indie-developers-won-t-be-able-to-self-publish-on-xbox-509271999?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow


The solo and small-team game-makers who’ve made games like Fez, Braid and Limbo won’t be able to control their own destinies on Microsoft’s next game console...This news comes in stark contrast to Sony’s promises that indies will be able to self-publish content on the PS4. The publisher model, of course, means that some other entity has to decide whether to take a risk on helping get a game on a console and that someone else gets a cut of profits.

[Griking]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

I'll just leave this here.... Let the rage begin


Kind of dumb actually. A video could have been made with people repeating the word 'the' as well.

While I personally think I like what I've been reading about the PS4 this time around I hold no hate for this console. In fact, I don't know if it's possible but I think that it would be awesome if we would be able to replace our $5 a month rented cable boxes with an Xbox.

[Collector_Gaming]

Kind of dumb actually. A video could have been made with people repeating the word 'the' as well.

While I personally think I like what I've been reading about the PS4 this time around I hold no hate for this console. In fact, I don't know if it's possible but I think that it would be awesome if we would be able to replace our $5 a month rented cable boxes with an Xbox.

wait.... xbox isn't a cable box?

After all the tv references (and thats why whoever made that video like that).. I thought otherwise.

Huh the more you know I guess.


Actually I thought of another thing this reminds me of.. Remember those hotels back in the day that had a system in the rooms where you could watch tv and play n64 games on a their hardwired n64 controller all in one unit?

BAM Xbox 1 before Xbox 1

[Polygon]

This console is evil, and if people buy it theyre apart of the problem. It goes beyond problems in gaming into problems with society. A huge corporation is selling kids a box that will spy on them 24/7, once parent s figure this out I hope they'll make their kids understand how bad this is, but most kids wont listen. I hope the machine dies at the store and people stay away from it.


This is the worst console ever made, its worse than the Pippin, Jaguar, and the CD-i.

This is pretty much my feelings on the X-Box one. I think it's a huge problem on many levels. Locked down hardware, locked down software, economic issues, privacy issues, etc. I will not be buying one, no matter what. You're control and privacy is slowly being eroded away. Stop supporting this crap!

[Griking]

This is pretty much my feelings on the X-Box one. I think it's a huge problem on many levels. Locked down hardware, locked down software, economic issues, privacy issues, etc. I will not be buying one, no matter what. You're control and privacy is slowly being eroded away. Stop supporting this crap!

Which console's didn't have locked down hardware and software?

[TonyTheTiger]

We know what happens when righteous indignation incites a concerted effort to "beat the system," both figuratively and literally. Regardless of where you fall on the right vs. wrong of it, there's no denying this chaotic neutral force acts as the great equalizer. We just have to wait and see if Microsoft is overstepping the invisible line that triggers a digital rebellion that would threaten the bottom line.

[Greg2600]

Did they intentionally use a guy that looks like Bill Gates in that video?

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Which console's didn't have locked down hardware and software?

I think he means physical software that is electronically married to a console/user.

This will be the first time in the history of home consoles that console games will be released at brick/mortar on physical media that only serves as a delivery medium to install data on the console's hard drive and registers it to a user/console ID.

[kainemaxwell]

I think he means physical software that is electronically married to a console/user.

This will be the first time in the history of home consoles that console games will be released at brick/mortar on physical media that only serves as a delivery medium to install data on the console's hard drive and registers it to a user/console ID.

Pretty sad really.

[Rob2600]

Which console's didn't have locked down hardware and software?

I can't think of any other video game console in history that prevented people from trading games, borrowing games, renting games, or buying used games.

[CelticJobber]

We do have what Sony revealed at their press event. They could have easily said, no Internet connection required and used games work the same way they do today. Given how much Internet and video game media speculation there was following the discovery of that Sony patent last year and in the weeks and months leading up to their event, they had to be aware that it was a concern. The fact that they didn't immediately storm the video game media the minute Microsoft's press event ended today trumpeting that the PS4 doesn't require an Internet connection and that used games are completely transferrable and reusable without additional fees indicates that maybe that's not the whole story. Just like rumors can sometimes have a kernel of truth inside, so too can omissions or a lack of a firm and complete statement of information from company spokespeople.

Sony needs EA and just because EA is providing Microsoft with added features doesn't mean they are going single console this time. Without Fifa and Madden, Sony would have no viable football or soccer games and would lose two of its consistently biggest selling third party games worldwide. Sony also stated at least once in the past few weeks that it will allow content providers to choose how they do content protection. You can be sure that Sony will allow EA and any other third party which so chooses to limit content to a single user or family and require Internet activation in much the same way that online passes used to work.

There was this article, which quotes Sony's head of worldwide game studios, Shuhei Yoshida as saying the PS4 won't require a connection. But they're leaving it up to publishers to decide if some of their games have to be registered online. Sony isn't requiring it.

http://kotaku.com/5985874/ps4-will-not-require-an-always+online-connection

[Greg2600]

I can't think of any other video game console in history that prevented people from trading games, borrowing games, renting games, or buying used games.

Well you will still be able to trade in the game on MS's XBL in some form for credit! Ha ha. And I guess toss the disc/case in the trash. This has been the way of the world in PC gaming for awhile now, including games that are entirely online. I know of several motorsports simulation services which are fee based, and don't require any discs. The difference is nobody really minds there, because it's fee based. Console gaming has always been much more of shorter/smaller games with multiplayer melees.

I would think this is largely the end for GameStop (eventually) and services like Red Box and GameFly which "rent" out games. I mean, all this Xbox One is, is a cheap PC. But it's not a PC. The cable TV watching is highly misleading. Most Cable services provide apps for some channels not all. You need a cable card for that, which the Xbox won't have. There are so many avenues Microsoft will cut off with this product I really don't get it? I think they will still charge you if you install onto a friend's XBOX One, and he wants to keep that game.

[Rob2600]

Did they intentionally use a guy that looks like Bill Gates in that video?

I thought the same thing! :)

[Bojay1997]

There was this article, which quotes Sony's head of worldwide game studios, Shuhei Yoshida as saying the PS4 won't require a connection. But they're leaving it up to publishers to decide if some of their games have to be registered online. Sony isn't requiring it.

http://kotaku.com/5985874/ps4-will-not-require-an-always+online-connection

I already went through this "interview" in the other thread, but he didn't unequivocally say that a connection won't be required, only that users won't be forced to be online if they don't want to be. That doesn't mean that some kind of game activation won't be required and tied to a specific user account as that has nothing to do with being social, that's a straight up security and licensing issue. Like I've said here and elsewhere, I really do hope Sony doesn't lock out used copies or require any Internet connection ever just like the current PS3, but they have been far from clear about it and frankly, given the uproar Microsoft caused yesterday, I'm worried that Sony's silence today is an indication that things aren't exactly as all of us hope they will be with the PS4.

[TonyTheTiger]

I would think this is largely the end for GameStop (eventually) and services like Red Box and GameFly which "rent" out games. I mean, all this Xbox One is, is a cheap PC. But it's not a PC. The cable TV watching is highly misleading. Most Cable services provide apps for some channels not all. You need a cable card for that, which the Xbox won't have. There are so many avenues Microsoft will cut off with this product I really don't get it? I think they will still charge you if you install onto a friend's XBOX One, and he wants to keep that game.

What are the odds GameStop revolts and doesn't push the One very hard or even refuses to stock it to any significant extent? Just look at how much their PC section has dwindled over the years. It's an interesting proposition since they're both giants that can slaughter each other. Microsoft needs GameStop as much as GameStop needs a second hand market. But GameStop is probably thinking about precedent here. No retailer is going to actively support a machine that, if successful, will destroy them. The One's success would demonstrate to Sony and Nintendo that this business model is viable. GameStop is going to want that line in the sand: this is our territory. It's ironic that GameStop, oft reviled among the "hardcore" gaming public, is actually these gamers' biggest asset.

[RARusk]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18oh09l9gc3p4gif/ku-medium.gif

[Gamereviewgod]

Chew on this: Microsoft forces installs on the Xbox One, and then renders the disc copy of a video game useless. It would need to be reactivated for a fee. Otherwise, people could pass the game around to friends and they all play, right? Industry dies.

But, hold on here. On BOTH Windows PCs and the 360, you can rip a music CD to the HDD legally, and pass the disc on to anyone. Music industry survives just fine. How are games different in terms of software, and how hypocritical is MS in this scenario?

For this to work, MS is going to need to differentiate between software mediums, and I don't think they can do it to the average consumer.

[JakeM]

Chew on this: Microsoft forces installs on the Xbox One, and then renders the disc copy of a video game useless. It would need to be reactivated for a fee. Otherwise, people could pass the game around to friends and they all play, right? Industry dies.

I was just thinking about this, how friends could pass their games around and just have one guy have the install account and they could all use that one account ton their Ones. The measure itself is to really stop used game sales of games, but going to your buddies place to play on their system is something every kid with friends does. Ive been telling all my friends about this, and they instantly dont want the console. Where did you get that info from though, exactly?

I have no clue what Microsoft is thinking, everyone I talk to who learns about these things instantly shuns off buying the thing.