People Need To Stop Putting Nintendo Down

[JakeM]

I mean from a hardware perspective. Theyre a games company, not a huge multifaceted corporation like Sony or Microsoft. If their console and games dont sell, thats the end of them, unlike the other two who have a large set of other things to keep going with.

I saw a guy on a stream of the PS4 E3 conference complaining about a 2D game being shown, it was an indy game, and he said it shouldnt have been picked to show off the systems hardware. This is the type of gamer that is being created by a grandeur that is getting harder to sustain. Why should a game being 2D even be an issue? Why do people have to talk about system specs when talking about gaming to feel justified in liking something? We arent all computer majors, so why cant this be about having fun and seeing cool stories play out? I hate hearing about video game crashes, theyre not going to happen, but companies need to regroup and realize bigger isnt always better.

Putting Nintendo down for not having as state of the art a system as the other major consoles is like putting down poor people for being poor or any other kind of monetary comparison analogy. Maybe some people who dont like Nintendo only got into games with Xbox or PS2 and thats why they dont realize how important Nintendo has been? Being there at that demo thing at Best Buy, I realized how different it was compared to other consoles, we werent trying to shoot each other, there was absolutely no trash talk and everyone was smiling at the cute stuff on screen, and we didnt feel bad about being there. There were happy people there.

[DOAsaturn]

I think Nintendo's great and I have no problem with what they do. Thing is, they might eventually be forced by the market to purely become a gaming publisher. I think people who love Nintendo criticize just as much - they hate to see what they perceive as Nintendo willingly taking third place in the next-gen market. They also heavily criticized the loose licensing that diluted the Wii product. These critiques certainly aren't unfair.

Nintendo's always done it differently, almost without regard for the competition, trusting that people will come for the games. The Wii U looks to be shaping up a little better and will be the cheapest option come Christmas and looks like it will have a more solid first-party library. It may just leap back in the forefront. We'll see.

[Bojay1997]

I mean from a hardware perspective. Theyre a games company, not a huge multifaceted corporation like Sony or Microsoft. If their console and games dont sell, thats the end of them, unlike the other two who have a large set of other things to keep going with.

I saw a guy on a stream of the PS4 E3 conference complaining about a 2D game being shown, it was an indy game, and he said it shouldnt have been picked to show off the systems hardware. This is the type of gamer that is being created by a grandeur that is getting harder to sustain. Why should a game being 2D even be an issue? Why do people have to talk about system specs when talking about gaming to feel justified in liking something? We arent all computer majors, so why cant this be about having fun and seeing cool stories play out? I hate hearing about video game crashes, theyre not going to happen, but companies need to regroup and realize bigger isnt always better.

Putting Nintendo down for not having as state of the art a system as the other major consoles is like putting down poor people for being poor or any other kind of monetary comparison analogy. Maybe some people who dont like Nintendo only got into games with Xbox or PS2 and thats why they dont realize how important Nintendo has been? Being there at that demo thing at Best Buy, I realized how different it was compared to other consoles, we werent trying to shoot each other, there was absolutely no trash talk and everyone was smiling at the cute stuff on screen, and we didnt feel bad about being there. There were happy people there.

That's all cool, but when you are selling a piece of hardware for $300-$350, people are going to make comparisons regarding system performance, especially when the PS4 which is literally a generation and a half beyond the capabilities of the WiiU is only going to be $50 more (i.e. less than the cost one one new release game).

I also take issue with your belief that only Nintendo makes family friendly or classic style games. There are tons of great family friendly games on PS3 and Xbox 360, especially on PSN and XBL. There were great games long before Nintendo sold its first console. Nintendo has great first party IP, but I refuse to accept that there aren't great games in all of the genres Nintendo is known for on other platforms. I enjoy Nintendo games. I don't enjoy the fact that Nintendo insists on maximizing profit on every piece of hardware and software it sells.

Criticizing Nintendo for having less capable hardware is not like putting down poor people for being poor, it's like putting down a very wealthy person for refusing to donate to charity. They have no legal obligation to do it and apparently they've remained wealthy by not doing it, but it just doesn't smell right, especially when other companies are about to launch something much more powerful for only a little bit more money.

[otaku]

I agree its fair to compare but people need to be more objective. As far as I'm concerned while somewhat underpowered the wii u like nintendo consoles for some time now makes up for it in innovation with regards to controls and will be a worthy console once it has some quality (mostly nintendo) titles

[Bojay1997]

I agree its fair to compare but people need to be more objective. As far as I'm concerned while somewhat underpowered the wii u like nintendo consoles for some time now makes up for it in innovation with regards to controls and will be a worthy console once it has some quality (mostly nintendo) titles

I agree that the WiiU will have some great games. I strongly disagree that the WiiU pad is an innovation. To me it's clunky and not the preferred way to play WiiU games.

[Tupin]

Nintendo will always rule with handhelds. Sony actually seems like they could potentially give them a run for their money with Vita, but it hasn't rebounded like the 3DS has. Mario just has too much power for them to be anything but number one in handhelds.

Nintendo hasn't fostered the best relationship with small companies over the years, but nearly every Kickstarted game project I see has Wii U stretch goals that have been met. Shovel Knight, Shadow of the Eternals, and Armikrog all are games that people wanted on Wii U, and the last two are spiritual successors to Eternal Darkness and The Neverhood, respectively. They must have changed a little bit.

Their official stance on used games is "we'll just make games you don't want to sell to begin with," which the industry could learn from. Really, if there's one thing Nintendo and other companies need to do before anything else, it's improve the working conditions of their manufacturers and ensure they aren't using conflict minerals. Nintendo has been notoriously aloof about their environmental record, and in 2013 that's not commendable.

[WCP]

Putting Nintendo down for not having as state of the art a system as the other major consoles is like putting down poor people for being poor or any other kind of monetary comparison analogy. .


Some of us remember when Nintendo still wanted to be No.1 in the technology department as well. When the Super Nintendo arrived in late August of 1991, it was a technological powerhouse, when you consider the kind of power you were getting for $199.99. Remember that the $199.99 also included TWO controllers and one of the best video games of all time (Super Mario World). The system had the best visuals of anything out, tons of color on the screen, amazing sound quality. The biggest 3rd parties were doing the most extreme games on the SNES.

They were top dog from a technological standpoint.


Then, when they went to the N64, again, they wanted to be at the very top of the technological pile. Remember Project Reality with Silicon Graphics ? Remember the Dream Team ? It started out as Ultra 64, and we ultimately ended up with the Nintendo 64 in September of 1996. Super Mario 64 was a jaw dropping display of Nintendo Power at the time. Pilotwings, Shadows of the Empire. Wave Race 64, Turok, etc, etc. The N64 may have made a huge mistake with not having a CD drive, but the system certainly had more "raw" power than the Saturn or Playstation. The N64 was like a poor man's 3Dfx Voodoo computer at the time. Incredible technology for only $199, again. (although this time, one controller and no pack-in)


It's only when we got to the GameCube that Nintendo gave up on being at the top of the heap from a technological standpoint. Before GameCube, they were all about having the best technology, along with the best games.

[BetaWolf47]

I don't get the critique against Nintendo, at all. Wii U a generation and a half behind PS4? Really? Last gen games could barely do 1080p, let alone do 1080p while also processing video for a handheld screen or two. Being a technical powerhouse back in the day? Nintendo consoles always struggled to keep up with their competitors. Look how little NES was able to do without sprite flickering and slowdown compared to Master System. Look how SNES came out more than a year after the Mega Drive and still had a dramatically slower CPU than it. Look how they released a color version of a handheld that's technically identical to its near ten year old predecessor besides being able to do color. Look how the DS's CPU and GPU are just its predecessor's overclocked 1.5x (something the Wii is criticized for, yet not DS).

Seriously, the only differences between Nintendo then and Nintendo now are an expanded target audience and less third party support, the latter of which they can't totally control.


It's only when we got to the GameCube that Nintendo gave up on being at the top of the heap from a technological standpoint. Before GameCube, they were all about having the best technology, along with the best games.
What? The GameCube was one of the few times they were near the top.

[WCP]

What? The GameCube was one of the few times they were near the top.


Remember the GameCube came a full year after the PS2 was released. It came a few days after the Xbox. The Xbox was the clear power leader for that generation. The GameCube was definitely more powerful than the Dreamcast, but only marginally (if that) more powerful than the PS2 which was already very old tech when the Cube launched. The Cube wasn't ridiculously underpowered like the Wii and Wii U, but it was no technological marvel.

[Bojay1997]

I don't get the critique against Nintendo, at all. Wii U a generation and a half behind PS4? Really? Last gen games could barely do 1080p, let alone do 1080p while also processing video for a handheld screen or two. Being a technical powerhouse back in the day? Nintendo consoles always struggled to keep up with their competitors. Look how little NES was able to do without sprite flickering and slowdown compared to Master System. Look how SNES came out more than a year after the Mega Drive and still had a dramatically slower CPU than it. Look how they released a color version of a handheld that's technically identical to its near ten year old predecessor besides being able to do color. Look how the DS's CPU and GPU are just its predecessor's overclocked 1.5x (something the Wii is criticized for, yet not DS).

Seriously, the only differences between Nintendo then and Nintendo now are an expanded target audience and less third party support, the latter of which they can't totally control.


What? The GameCube was one of the few times they were near the top.

I'm not sure how the 1080P thing is relevant as I don't think that's the sign of a "next generation" console considering 360 and PS3 could both display in that resolution and PC games have easily been able to output at that resolution or higher for many years. The processor, GPU and memory are the things I would consider to be severely lacking on the Wii and the WiiU. I'm someone who believes that those things will actually inhibit the creativity of developers and while Nintendo may be comfortable working with lower capability hardware for its first party games, I just don't see how third party developers will continue to support a platform that is so far below the capabilities of the Xbox One and the PS4.

[Smashed Brother]

Leave nintendo alone!! Pleeeaaase!!!

[Atarileaf]

I never understood the need to defend a video game system or company like its a family member. Who cares what others say or think. If you like the system and games, buy it and play it. That's as far as it should go.

[ProjectCamaro]

I never understood the need to defend a video game system or company like its a family member. Who cares what others say or think. If you like the system and games, buy it and play it. That's as far as it should go.

Precisely how I feel.

[kupomogli]

I don't enjoy the fact that Nintendo insists on maximizing profit on every piece of hardware and software it sells.

Criticizing Nintendo for having less capable hardware is not like putting down poor people for being poor, it's like putting down a very wealthy person for refusing to donate to charity. They have no legal obligation to do it and apparently they've remained wealthy by not doing it, but it just doesn't smell right, especially when other companies are about to launch something much more powerful for only a little bit more money.

QFT..

[Tron 2.0]

I never understood the need to defend a video game system or company like its a family member. Who cares what others say or think. If you like the system and games, buy it and play it. That's as far as it should go.
That's how i see it as well it's about the games not what brand name it has.

[SuperSonic]

I never understood the need to defend a video game system or company like its a family member. Who cares what others say or think. If you like the system and games, buy it and play it. That's as far as it should go.

Too bad if too many feel the system sucks and the system does poor that is no good for getting more games on the system.

Anyways you guys need to stop forgiving the Wii U its a poor system all around. This crap did start with the gamecube and even tho the Wii was sucessful it was just Gamecube 2.0

""The Wii's GPU has fixed functions for vertex, lighting, and pixel operations," said the source "All 'programmable shaders' means is that the code you write for the shader gets run on the vertex and pixel hardware of the GPU. This is how it works on the high-end ATI and Nvidia GPU parts. The Wii is an older fixed function design where you have lots of operations but the pipelines are not programmable in the sense of downloading shader code to run [on them]."

"A dev support guy from Nintendo said that the Wii chipset is 'Gamecube 1.5 with some added memory,'" our second source told us. "I figure if they say that, it must be true." "

Now we have a Wii U.. Nintendo isn't even trying anymore. Wii u doesn't even have games because no one wants to make anything for it because everyone thinks its going to fail. The console was put on clearance in the UK in some stores and some Wii U games were put on clerance in the states..

[Atarileaf]

Too bad if too many feel the system sucks and the system does poor that is no good for getting more games on the system.

Anyways you guys need to stop forgiving the Wii U its a poor system all around. This crap did start with the gamecube and even tho the Wii was sucessful it was just Gamecube 2.0


Who is forgiving the system? I simply said there's no need to defend it. It will stand or fall on its own merits. If you don't like it, don't buy one but at the same time, don't begrudge those who do as if they made a poor choice. Its their's to make.

Personally I don't have a dog in this fight which is why I can look at this impartially. I never understood the fanboy devotion to a company that doesn't give two craps about you or I, just our cash.

[InsaneDavid]

Leave nintendo alone!! Pleeeaaase!!!

It's posts like this that make me almost miss the Meseta system so I could donate away! ROFL

[ShinobiMan]

Just wanted to say that I love what Nintendo is doing these days. They are a breath of fresh air in a market that is over saturated with VIOLENT video games. Sure, violent video games have existed for a long time now. However, this wasn't really an issue for me back when the hardware couldn't realistically depict it. Just one look at Dead Rising 3 on the Xbox One actually made me feel a little dirty. Have we become so desensitized that we are easily overlooking, even embracing such grotesque fantasy? Sure, playing such a game doesn't mean I'm going to run out and kill people, but it certainly isn't nourishing my soul.

Nintendo has certainly found a niche, and it's in doing what they've always done: Creating colorful, character driven games that stimulate and challenge the mind without barraging it with extreme violence.

[BricatSegaFan]

I never understood the fanboy devotion to a company that doesn't give two craps about you or I, just our cash.

Sega gives a crap....right?

[The 1 2 P]

Leave nintendo alone!! Pleeeaaase!!!

This would have been a much more appropriate title for this thread.

[LaughingMAN.S9]

Just wanted to say that I love what Nintendo is doing these days. They are a breath of fresh air in a market that is over saturated with VIOLENT video games. Sure, violent video games have existed for a long time now. However, this wasn't really an issue for me back when the hardware couldn't realistically depict it. Just one look at Dead Rising 3 on the Xbox One actually made me feel a little dirty. Have we become so desensitized that we are easily overlooking, even embracing such grotesque fantasy? Sure, playing such a game doesn't mean I'm going to run out and but it certainly isn't nourishing my soul.

Nintendo has certainly found a niche, and it's in doing what they've always done: Creating colorful, character driven games that stimulate and challenge the mind without barraging it with extreme violence.


OMFG nigga...


Since when is it the mandate of any videogame to "nourish/massage/fondle" your or anyone's soul?

Videogames have only one goal, ONE...to entertain, the end. Nothing more nothing less.

Are they capable of more? Sure.

Is it a requirement? Fuck no.


Im not trying to say that your concerns or personal taste arent valid, but when people get into this whole touchy feely, metaphysical nonsense about what basically amounts to pixels on screen, i have to call them out on it

[Daltone]

I am looking forward to Mario: Shark Jumper together with other top Nintendo hits like Smash Bros 64.5, The Legend of Completing Four to Six Dungeons to Obtain a Unique item in Each, and Luigi and Wario: Super Slap a Nintendo Character On It Spin Off.

People complain about CoD etc having gotten bad, but Nintendo's moderate upgrades ach year as just as awful.

As with most people, I'm not bashing Nintendo for the sake of bashing Nintendo - their ever more limited games library just does not appeal. If they announce a load of great stuff tomorrow I'll be the first in line to praise them.

I don't care if they release a text adventure that could have been done on a BBC Micro. If it's interesting and seems fresh I'm all for it.

[ShinobiMan]

OMFG nigga...


Since when is it the mandate of any videogame to "nourish/massage/fondle" your or anyone's soul?

Videogames have only one goal, ONE...to entertain, the end. Nothing more nothing less.

Are they capable of more? Sure.

Is it a requirement? Fuck no.


Im not trying to say that your concerns or personal taste arent valid, but when people get into this whole touchy feely, metaphysical nonsense about what basically amounts to pixels on screen, i have to call them out on it

Honestly yes, I agree that video games are entertainment. I also believe that what you are filling your mind with visually can have a deeper effect on you.

My comment about nourishing one's soul was not to say that video games in fact do this, but that what you see, hear, watch, engage in (in general) can have a profound effect on how you feel emotionally.

Call it conviction, but I personally felt wrong watching the near photo realistic slaughter of hundreds of zombies. The blood and guts spewed so quickly that I couldn't even tell if they were dead or undead!

Again, about nourishing the soul. I'd ask myself this. Does this game's content reflect what I'd want my kids being exposed too? If you have any hestitation at all about letting a child play something like that, it means there's something inside you calling out "I'm not sure!"

That's all I meant with that statement.

[Press_Start]

Anyways you guys need to stop forgiving the Wii U its a poor system all around.

Yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo for their 54% hardware failure. Oh wait, that's Microsoft (http://consumerist.com/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds/)

Yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo secretly locking away features without our consent. No, that was Sony. (http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/29/0227251/install-other-os-feature-removed-from-the-ps3)

Yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo for allowing hackers to steal our credit card information and lying to us for a whole week! Wait, that's Sony again. (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384366,00.asp)

Still yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo with their new console shoving DRM down our throats, telling us what to do with our used games and who we can trade them with, and forcing online checks on us every 24-hours or the bloody thing will stop playing games and.... Oh sorry, Microsoft again. (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/)

But wait the WiiU was praised for having used games, backwards compatibility, and free online play right? Nope nope nope, that's PS4, thankfully plays used games BUT coincidentally has no BC (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/02/20/ps4-isn-39-t-backwards-compatible-old-games-available-through-cloud.aspx), requires Playstation Plus subscription to play multiplayer (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/ps4-owners-will-need-playstation-plus-subscription-for-online-multiplayer/), and leaves 3rd parties the abilities to implement their own DRM or not (http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/third-party-game-publishers-will-be-able-to-set-own-drm-policies-for-ps4-1158324).

Srsly, the modern forum is becoming a cesspool of Nintendo hate. Sometimes I feel like this place will be overrun by F-bombing racial-slurring gay-bashing roid-pumping 12-year-old Nazi trolls any minute now.


OMFG nigga...

Im not trying to say that your concerns or personal taste arent valid, but when people get into this whole touchy feely, metaphysical nonsense about what basically amounts to pixels on screen, i have to call them out on it

I rest my case.

[Bojay1997]

Yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo for their 54% hardware failure. Oh wait, that's Microsoft (http://consumerist.com/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds/)

Yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo secretly locking away features without our consent. No, that was Sony. (http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/29/0227251/install-other-os-feature-removed-from-the-ps3)

Yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo for allowing hackers to steal our credit card information and lying to us for a whole week! Wait, that's Sony again. (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384366,00.asp)

Still yeah, we need to stop forgiving Nintendo with their new console shoving DRM down our throats, telling us what to do with our used games and who we can trade them with, and forcing online checks on us every 24-hours or the bloody thing will stop playing games and.... Oh sorry, Microsoft again. (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/)

But wait the WiiU was praised for having used games, backwards compatibility, and free online play right? Nope nope nope, that's PS4, thankfully plays used games BUT coincidentally has no BC (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/02/20/ps4-isn-39-t-backwards-compatible-old-games-available-through-cloud.aspx), requires Playstation Plus subscription to play multiplayer (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/ps4-owners-will-need-playstation-plus-subscription-for-online-multiplayer/), and leaves 3rd parties the abilities to implement their own DRM or not (http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/third-party-game-publishers-will-be-able-to-set-own-drm-policies-for-ps4-1158324).

Srsly, the modern forum is becoming a cesspool of Nintendo hate. Sometimes I feel like this place will be overrun by F-bombing racial-slurring gay-bashing roid-pumping 12-year-old Nazi trolls any minute now.



I rest my case.

While your points are interesting, they ignore the biggest problem Nintendo has with the WiiU - a complete lack of compelling software. The WiiU is a very consumer friendly system (well, with the exception of the price) but ultimately, I judge a console by its software and the experiences it lets me have. So far, the WiiU library has been very disappointing and I haven't heard much since E3 that has convinced me that amazing new experiences are coming. Nintendo used to be an innovator in not just hardware design, but software as well. Sadly, Nintendo has played it safe with very few new IPs and even fewer innovative game concepts in the past decade or so. If the modern forum is becoming a "cesspool of Nintendo hate", it's only because Nintendo was such an innovative company at one time and has largely lost focus on the software side of things.

[Polygon]

Sorry, but I think people have a right to their opinion. It doesn't matter if you think they wrong or not. I don't agree with people that have a vastly negative opinion of Nintendo, but I do respect their right to say it. I do not support them trying to pass of opinion as fact. What people need to stop doing is trying to find a way to stop people from having an opinion simply because they don't agree with it.

[Press_Start]

People complain about CoD etc having gotten bad, but Nintendo's moderate upgrades ach year as just as awful.

Cause they don't just add dogs to their games. :P



As with most people, I'm not bashing Nintendo for the sake of bashing Nintendo - their ever more limited games library just does not appeal. If they announce a load of great stuff tomorrow I'll be the first in line to praise them.


Maybe you should try these?
Fire Emblem
Eternal Darkness
Animal Crossing
Pikmin
Kid Icarus
Advance Wars
Sin & Punishment
HarmoKnight
Punch-Out
Drill Dozer
Golden Sun
Professor Layton
Starfy
Xenoblade Chronicles
Last Story
Pandora's Tower
Fossil Fighters
Picross
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Pilotwings
Steel Diver
ExciteTrucks
ExciteBots
....and that's just in the last decade.

Not to mention all the spinoffs like Paper Mario, Paper Mario Sticker Star, Mario & Luigi Super Star Saga, M&L Bowser's Inside Story, Dr. Mario, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Mario Strikers, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario 3D Land, Wario Land Shake It, Wario Ware, Pokemon Snap, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Conquest, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Metroid Prime Hunters, Kirby Canvas Curse, Kirby Mass Attack, Kirby Super Star Saga Ultra, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby Return to Dreamland, Luigi's Mansion, Super Princess Peach, etc.

I hope that help but so would google searching "Nintendo IPs" and looking at your comments just seem to fortify what I think that most posters here are either dubious hypocrites or willfully ignorant liars.

[cholkavich]

This whole thread makes me laugh :ass:

[Bojay1997]

Cause they don't just add dogs to their games. :P



Maybe you should try these?
Fire Emblem
Eternal Darkness
Animal Crossing
Pikmin
Kid Icarus
Advance Wars
Sin & Punishment
HarmoKnight
Punch-Out
Drill Dozer
Golden Sun
Professor Layton
Starfy
Xenoblade Chronicles
Last Story
Pandora's Tower
Fossil Fighters
Picross
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Pilotwings
Steel Diver
ExciteTrucks
ExciteBots
....and that's just in the last decade.

Not to mention all the spinoffs like Paper Mario, Paper Mario Sticker Star, Mario & Luigi Super Star Saga, M&L Bowser's Inside Story, Dr. Mario, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Mario Strikers, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario 3D Land, Wario Land Shake It, Wario Ware, Pokemon Snap, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Conquest, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Metroid Prime Hunters, Kirby Canvas Curse, Kirby Mass Attack, Kirby Super Star Saga Ultra, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby Return to Dreamland, Luigi's Mansion, Super Princess Peach, etc.

I hope that help but so would google searching "Nintendo IPs" and looking at your comments just seem to fortify what I think that most posters here are either dubious hypocrites or willfully ignorant liars.

I'm sorry, but which of those are available on the WiiU? I only count Pikmin, Steel Diver and Animal Crossing as either released or upcoming for the WiiU. How many of those were one-offs that have little hope of being resurrected on future Nintendo consoles? If all you're going to do is make lists of great games and IPs on various consoles, you could put together a similar list for almost every console ever made. I enjoy Nintendo games, I always have. I haven't enjoyed the decline in Nintendo as a console manufacturer and publisher in the past decade. It's possible your fanboyism has blinded you to the reality of the situation. Maybe you should take a step back and think about how irrational it is to be so enamored with a company that has the same goal as every other company, to maximize profits for the benefit of their shareholders.

[Press_Start]

While your points are interesting, they ignore the biggest problem Nintendo has with the WiiU - a complete lack of compelling software.

Yeah and the Louvre doesn't have "art".

Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101
Bayonetta 2
Super Mario 3d World
Donkey Kong Country: TF
Lego City Undercover
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Sonic Lost Worlds
Wii Party U

Not to mention the games coming in 2014 (so far):
Mario Kart 8
Super Smash Bros
X
Yoshi Yarn
SMT x FE

And multiplatforms too:
Batman Arkham Origins
Assassin's Creed IV
Rayman's Legends
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Deus Ex Machina
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Watch Dogs
Adventure Time

Game Count: 22



The WiiU is a very consumer friendly system (well, with the exception of the price) but ultimately, I judge a console by its software and the experiences it lets me have. So far, the WiiU library has been very disappointing and I haven't heard much since E3 that has convinced me that amazing new experiences are coming.

Or enough I.Q. points to do a google search.

[Daltone]

I'm sorry, but which of those are available on the WiiU? I only count Pikmin, Steel Diver and Animal Crossing as either released or upcoming for the WiiU. How many of those were one-offs that have little hope of being resurrected on future Nintendo consoles? If all you're going to do is make lists of great games and IPs on various consoles, you could put together a similar list for almost every console ever made. I enjoy Nintendo games, I always have. I haven't enjoyed the decline in Nintendo as a console manufacturer and publisher in the past decade. It's possible your fanboyism has blinded you to the reality of the situation. Maybe you should take a step back and think about how irrational it is to be so enamored with a company that has the same goal as every other company, to maximize profits for the benefit of their shareholders.

This pretty much saves me from typing anything out.

[Press_Start]

I'm sorry, but which of those are available on the WiiU? I only count Pikmin, Steel Diver and Animal Crossing as either released or upcoming for the WiiU. How many of those were one-offs that have little hope of being resurrected on future Nintendo consoles? If all you're going to do is make lists of great games and IPs on various consoles, you could put together a similar list for almost every console ever made. I enjoy Nintendo games, I always have. I haven't enjoyed the decline in Nintendo as a console manufacturer and publisher in the past decade. It's possible your fanboyism has blinded you to the reality of the situation. Maybe you should take a step back and think about how irrational it is to be so enamored with a company that has the same goal as every other company, to maximize profits for the benefit of their shareholders.

Then why are you obsessed with Nintendo and me?

All I'm doing is stating facts, sources, and confirmed lists but all you have is your opinions and not one dam fact in the whole bunch. Go back and check my posts in this thread and any willing intellectual person can back me up through a simple search. Here's another fact, the Wii U is BC with Wii aka all those Nintendo Wii IP are available and can be played on WiiU and on top of that, all the upcoming games I listed in my previous post. Then again, no one specifically said whether we were talking WiiU, 3DS, or both, you butted in like a dam fanboy. So why are you replying to every one of my posts, huh? Heck, I wasn't reply to any of your posts in the first place and you jumped from the bushes like a stalking nun condemning my posts as rabid delusion with no proof, evidence, or hard facts cause I don't agree with you. You can blame for being passionate but you can't blame me for shoving opinions down your throat as fact. That seems to be your job.

[Bojay1997]

Then why are you obsessed with Nintendo and me?

All I'm doing is stating facts, sources, and confirmed lists but all you have is your opinions and not one dam fact in the whole bunch. Go back and check my posts in this thread and any willing intellectual person can back me up through a simple search. Here's another fact, the Wii U is BC with Wii aka all those Nintendo Wii IP are available and can be played on WiiU and on top of that, all the upcoming games I listed in my previous post. Then again, no one specifically said whether we were talking WiiU, 3DS, or both, you butted in like a dam fanboy. So why are you replying to every one of my posts, huh? Heck, I wasn't reply to any of your posts in the first place and you jumped from the bushes like a stalking nun condemning my posts as rabid delusion with no proof, evidence, or hard facts cause I don't agree with you. You can blame for being passionate but you can't blame me for shoving opinions down your throat as fact. That seems to be your job.

I'm not obsessed with Nintendo, I just enjoy their games like many people here. I'm also not obsessed with you. I just think your arguments are weak and so I called you out on them.

I would suggest you re-read the OP. It's pretty clear he started this thread to discuss the perceived weaknesses of the WiiU and not other Nintendo platforms. His basic argument seems to be something along the lines of Nintendo isn't a multi-faceted company like Microsoft or Sony, so they can't compete with their hardware because they lack the technical expertise. I would argue that's ridiculous. Nintendo has been profitable in far more quarters than either the video game divisions of Sony or Microsoft and has amassed some massive reserves. Nintendo has the same access to engineers and outside experts that Sony and Microsoft do. They simply went with a less technically advanced design because their goal is always to be profitable on the hardware side. Nothing wrong with that from the business perspective, but as a consumer I'm not sure that really benefits me in any way.

Returning to your lists, you have put 22 games on there, only two of which are currently available. Monster Hunter is fine, but it's not much different than the Wii version or the PS2/PSP versions for that matter. Similarly, I became bored of Lego City an hour or so in. You have no idea how the other games will turn out. I played some of them at E3, but there was nothing on that list that I played there that blew me away. Certainly, if the existing WiiU library is any indication, the multiplatform titles are not going to be up to the same performance standards as the PS3/PS4/Xbox 360/Xbox One versions of those games. The performance gaps will only get much worse over time as developers get up to speed in harnessing the 8 Gigs of memory on the two next generation consoles as well as the processors and GPUs.

All I'm saying is that Nintendo is headed down a bad road and just like consumers pressured Microsoft into changing its DRM policy, I see nothing wrong with expressing our concerns with Nintendo and its increasingly safe and predictable choices on the WiiU. It just makes me sad that the same company that innovated so heavily on the software side on the N64 and the SNES and NES before it has been stuck in a rut since the Gamecube and can't seem to develop new and exciting IP.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

As expected, this thread is goin' places.

[Press_Start]

This pretty much saves me from typing anything out.

Says the man who accuses, vaguely I add, Nintendo with 30+ franchises under their belt as a "shrinking" library like a 20th century flat-Earther fat man pulling it out of his stinkin' anus without thought, reason, or deduction placating the rest of us to accept unchallenged as fact cause you dam say so. You can say "not buying a WiiU" and say "I'm buying PS4 for blah blah blah". They're your opinions. But saying that Nintendo of a ever-growing collection with new entries each and every year is "shrinking" is like saying "PS3 has no exclusives" or "360 ain't got FPS". It feigns ignorance to the most obvious of game knowledge that even the most brain-dead gamer can fathom that you couldn't remedy with a simple google search like a globe to the Flat-Earther Society. What's gotten your Galileo-hating trousers in a bunch is I caught your lie, called B.S., and rightfully shoveled your own lying shit back at you about Nintendo in a thread all about putting down Nintendo. Point proven.

[The 1 2 P]

As expected, this thread is goin' places.

But the question is, do we like the places it's going or do we want to get off at the next stop?

[Atarileaf]

Sega gives a crap....right?

Sega does what Nintendon't?

[Press_Start]

I'm not obsessed with Nintendo, I just enjoy their games like many people here. I'm also not obsessed with you. I just think your arguments are weak and so I called you out on them.


Yes you are. Every time you chime like OCD cuckoo clock. The problem with you is you're not a thinker, you're a believer and you believe your words are holy law: sacrosanct, infallible, and unchallenged to any dissenters you feel should be brought down with extreme prejudice. Even now your blatant self-centered narcissism is ever more evident in last post passing judgement like yours opinions is the only thing that matters like the dam God of the Universe and everybody else orbits around, drowned in your ever present delusions of grandeur.

As for your concern is about as helpful as a white man telling Jackie Robsinson to try bat a .999 record, it's infantile trap, a setup to fail against impossible odds, crash n' burn met with the intended goal of segregated dominance over joyful coexistence. And your misguided analysis is even evident comparing Nintendo's steady n' true business of a century to the Big Brother/draconian, right sledgehammering fascism of MS is about as a big false equivalency and as hugely and stupidly inaccurate as a 15-year-old failing 1st grade math. And even further evident by the fact the DS, 3DS, and PS3 were in a similar ruts and eventually exceed results blowing away all expectations and further supporting the claim that Nintendo will be alright. And the only bad road you see in the one in your rubber room head between the hissing Yes snake and the Aqua Buddha dedicate to you.

To finally be frank, the hardcore are the reason Nintendo has done so horrible with the Gamecube. Their biggest mistake was the relying a market that so disparate shallow than Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, and the Olson Twins combined that they couldn't get pass the stupid purple lunch box. "Hardcores" are not the saviors, you are the Angel of Deaths and Nintendo is the 4-letter word you snuff out in unholy rapture. You are not it's supporter of gaming, you are it's destruction. You are the Borg, Satan, and the Crabapple Nun fused together in an Anti-Gaming God. Anti-individualistic. Anti-imaginative. Anti-nuance. Anti-intelligent. Anti-thinking. Anti-creative. Anti-joy. Anti-fun. You represent everything what gaming is not. And I hope Nintendo does the smart move dropping your worthless butts at the nearest hobo corner, gives you the middle finger the size of Texas, and show the world the kind of degenerate moral lepers you truly, truly are.

And let me be clear, the "hardcore" are nothing but lyin' hypocritical two-faced greedy lil pretending bastards that want to stick a knife into Grandpa Toymaker for the inheritance.

That's it! I'm done. You monkeys can go pick ticks off each other for all I care

This is the last post for the evening. Reply all the way out of Master Chief's junk for sh!t n' giggles. See ya.

[PreZZ]

Does Nintendo deserve criticism for the flaws of the Wii U? Absolutely. So does Sony and MS (just look at the xbone fiasco, well deserved) when they fuck up. If Nintendo put out a machine with about the same specs as Sony and MS, they would have a legitimate chance to win gamers back with their great first party line-up and to make sure they get the same third party releases as Sony and MS for the next 7 years. Wii U will only get a few third party games like COD and Assasins creed for the next year or two, and as people switch to ps4 and xbone the games will become a lot more advanced and the wii u wont keep up with the next gen, just like the wii before it. then we will get crappy dumbed down versions of the major third party releases that looks and plays like crap. Seriously if nintendo just released a beast console without the crappy wii brand with the pro controller (with headset support and 360 style thumb pads) I would maybe skip ps4 and xboxone. The cost of the gamepad is really high and not necessary, even if its fun to play off tv and do enjoy it I would prefer better specs over that gimmicky controller.

[Sothy]

6847
You bastards

[VG_Maniac]

Yeah and the Louvre doesn't have "art".

Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101
Bayonetta 2
Super Mario 3d World
Donkey Kong Country: TF
Lego City Undercover
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Sonic Lost Worlds
Wii Party U

Not to mention the games coming in 2014 (so far):
Mario Kart 8
Super Smash Bros
X
Yoshi Yarn
SMT x FE

And multiplatforms too:
Batman Arkham Origins
Assassin's Creed IV
Rayman's Legends
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Deus Ex Machina
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Watch Dogs
Adventure Time

Game Count: 22



The Super Nintendo had around 140 games released for it during the first year and a half (August 1991 to December 1992). This included games such as Super Mario World, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Actraiser, Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts, Final Fantasy II, Sim City, Super Castlevania IV, Super R-Type, Gradius III, Zelda: A Link to the Past, Contra III: The Alien Wars, Super Mario Kart, Street Fighter II, and TMNT IV: Turtles in Time.

It's not that the Wii U has NO games on it, it's that it has FEW games on it. I know Nintendo is capable of doing better...as they have done much better in the past.

[Daltone]

Rabblerabblerabblerabble.

Point proven.

You are right. I now find the WiiU's upcoming titles to be both bountiful and potentially satisfying.

I shall go and spread the good word.

[granz]

There are only a couple of things that bother me about Nintendo:

1.) Their censorship policies. Although they've pretty much nixed their censorship policies entirely, Nintendo's reputation will never recover from all the damage these policies have caused. You may see the occasional M-rated title such as Resident Evil, but nothing quite as mature as what you'd find on PS3 or Xbox. There's still this lingering expectation from both consumers and developers for Nintendo titles to be "clean" and family-friendly.

As an example, look at Natsume and Maxis / EA. Harvest Moon and The Sims have occasionally featured same-sex relationships, but they're always cut from Nintendo ports (and only in the U.S.) to avoid the controversy that these developers have come to expect from a typical Nintendo audience. If you're playing these games on PS, Xbox, PSP or whatever other console, the content is likely to remain intact.

2.) Nintendo won't update its hardware. The Wii is essentially an overclocked GameCube, and the Wii U is essentially an overclocked Wii. They just keep tuning the same architecture. I won't say it's really an issue for me, because this doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality of the games released for these consoles. I'm very much a classic gamer, so I still play my GC even though the graphics aren't anything fancy by next-gen standards. Maybe Nintendo wants to reach an audience of classic gamers almost exclusively, and for all intents and purposes, hardware just isn't that important. I don't know. I just think they would stand a better chance if they caught up to their competitors.

[Gamereviewgod]

I bought a Wii U at launch. Haven't bought a single game at retail. I have two sub-$10 games from the eShop. That's it.

Right now, this system is dead. It may have life (Mario 3D World will be my first purchase), but it will be limited until Nintendo gives third parties a reason to release actual, useful software and turns their first party mess around. There's zero reason for me to grab third-party ported games as they offer nothing on the Wii U as opposed to the ingrained 360/PS3, and Nintendo's stuff has been anemic at best. They're not merely relying on familiar franchises so much as they are hemorrhaging anything with a glimmer of hope to 3DS, then trying to do the same on Wii U.

Donkey Kong Country? Here it is on Wii, then 3DS, and now: Wii U! Wow!

Mario 3D Land? It was awesome! Here is on Wii U!

I mean, why would I, as a potential consumer, spend $300+ on this hardware when their own handheld is playing the same (and better) stuff at a lower price? Their strategy makes zero sense.

[ReaXan]

I bought a Wii U at launch. Haven't bought a single game at retail. I have two sub-$10 games from the eShop. That's it.

Right now, this system is dead. It may have life (Mario 3D World will be my first purchase), but it will be limited until Nintendo gives third parties a reason to release actual, useful software and turns their first party mess around. There's zero reason for me to grab third-party ported games as they offer nothing on the Wii U as opposed to the ingrained 360/PS3, and Nintendo's stuff has been anemic at best. They're not merely relying on familiar franchises so much as they are hemorrhaging anything with a glimmer of hope to 3DS, then trying to do the same on Wii U.

Donkey Kong Country? Here it is on Wii, then 3DS, and now: Wii U! Wow!

Mario 3D Land? It was awesome! Here is on Wii U!

I mean, why would I, as a potential consumer, spend $300+ on this hardware when their own handheld is playing the same (and better) stuff at a lower price? Their strategy makes zero sense.


This post actually gave me a compelling reason to rethink buying a Wii U out of pocket. Now I must barter and wheel and deal to get one LOL

However I wouldn't mind trading in my 2007 era 360 and accessories which will probably red ring soon for one at GS. In that certain case I wouldn't upgrading to a Wii U since at the very least it will do Netflix/etc. without the Xbox Live cost and with much newer energy efficient hardware to boot. I won't have to worry about it just not working one day after work.

The Wii U seems to be a good option for people ready to move on from the 360 and need something to tide them over until we figure out whether PS4/ONE will be better. There is a huge question mark on it being someone's main gaming console but it seems to be a nice 2nd option to have under the TV longterm.

In all honesty It probably will end up collecting dust and disappointing me longterm but probably not as much as the 360 has with its hardware failures and pay to play online model.

[Tanooki]

One could rationally based on history argue Nintendo doesn't need to give third parties any more excuse other than its existence. To date 8bit forward third parties didn't play whiny politics they just released games on new systems because it was understood they needed to do so to grow a base. Uniquely Nintendo is being screwed this generation by the industry at large saying base first, then support which is just back ass wards wrong. You can't make a base with no support, so how can you demand a base before giving it? It's criminal.

The xbone and ps4 will get heaps of support being equally unproven. Do you think we will see third parties release one or two titles, then stop and play a waiting game for a long stretch? No way. I'm quite tired of the double standard. It really is a tell of some companies true desires and immaturity in positions of power playing such shenanigans.

[dgdgagdae]

And the only bad road you see in the one in your rubber room head between the hissing Yes snake and the Aqua Buddha dedicate to you.

That's exactly what I was going to say.

[Daltone]

Press_Start is my new favourite poster on DP. He / she has overtaken even the mighty duo of Needler and JakeM.

[Gamereviewgod]

One could rationally based on history argue Nintendo doesn't need to give third parties any more excuse other than its existence. To date 8bit forward third parties didn't play whiny politics they just released games on new systems because it was understood they needed to do so to grow a base. Uniquely Nintendo is being screwed this generation by the industry at large saying base first, then support which is just back ass wards wrong. You can't make a base with no support, so how can you demand a base before giving it? It's criminal.

The xbone and ps4 will get heaps of support being equally unproven. Do you think we will see third parties release one or two titles, then stop and play a waiting game for a long stretch? No way. I'm quite tired of the double standard. It really is a tell of some companies true desires and immaturity in positions of power playing such shenanigans.

Traditionally, they had a base. The NES, SNES, N64, GC, and Wii all blew up after launch to some reasonable extent, or to expectation. Wii U has not. There's no money in it for third parties. Why spend the money to port when you're looking at a consumer base of around a million in the States? They're not playing "whiny politics." Third parties are being smart and basing expectations in reality. EA porting Madden to Wii U isn't going to suddenly boost sales of hardware.

Nintendo's going to be in an even tougher spot when it becomes MORE expensive to port down from next gen consoles. They need a base for consumers RIGHT NOW or they don't stand a chance. Your entire "rational" argument is based on fanboy dreamscapes in fairy business land. Third parties rational argument is based in reality.

[Bojay1997]

Traditionally, they had a base. The NES, SNES, N64, GC, and Wii all blew up after launch to some reasonable extent, or to expectation. Wii U has not. There's no money in it for third parties. Why spend the money to port when you're looking at a consumer base of around a million in the States? They're not playing "whiny politics." Third parties are being smart and basing expectations in reality. EA porting Madden to Wii U isn't going to suddenly boost sales of hardware.

Nintendo's going to be in an even tougher spot when it becomes MORE expensive to port down from next gen consoles. They need a base for consumers RIGHT NOW or they don't stand a chance. Your entire "rational" argument is based on fanboy dreamscapes in fairy business land. Third parties rational argument is based in reality.

Strongly agree.

[Daltone]

Or enough I.Q. points to do a google search.

Can I just ask - is this list of released games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_U_games) correct?

Because it is late in the day and I am off work tomorrow I decided to sort the list by release date, then copy the list in to excel to play about with it.

So we have:

Currently available games in NA (approximately): 53
Full exclusives: 12 (not counting the games with "Console" written next to them - unsure what this means for certain but it's not a straight "yes" like the others)

List of exclusives:

Game Party Champions
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Rabbids Land
Sing Party
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013
ZombiU
Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade
Rapala Pro Bass Fishing
Lego City Undercover
Sports Connection
Tank! Tank! Tank!


This means that there are around 42 games available on other systems. These are other systems that I already own. If Nintendo want me to pay £300+ for their console they need to have something to drag me in, otherwise I'm just going to spend £15 - £40 and get the game I want on a system I already own.

Tune in next time for a look at future releases (assuming the Wikipedia list is correct)

[Guyra]

Full exclusives: 12 (not counting the games with "Console" written next to them - unsure what this means for certain but it's not a straight "yes" like the others)


Those are games that are exclusive to the console, but also exist on other platforms which are not consoles(like handhelds and the PC). All five are Nintendo exclusive titles, except for one which is also for the PC. And I think three of the five games listed as "exclusive amongst consoles" are or will be available also for the good, old Wii. So they are not truly exclusive among the consoles, either.

Just thought I'd clear that up. :)

[Bojay1997]

Can I just ask - is this list of released games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_U_games) correct?

Because it is late in the day and I am off work tomorrow I decided to sort the list by release date, then copy the list in to excel to play about with it.

So we have:

Currently available games in NA (approximately): 53
Full exclusives: 12 (not counting the games with "Console" written next to them - unsure what this means for certain but it's not a straight "yes" like the others)

List of exclusives:

Game Party Champions
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Rabbids Land
Sing Party
Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013
ZombiU
Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade
Rapala Pro Bass Fishing
Lego City Undercover
Sports Connection
Tank! Tank! Tank!


This means that there are around 42 games available on other systems. These are other systems that I already own. If Nintendo want me to pay £300+ for their console they need to have something to drag me in, otherwise I'm just going to spend £15 - £40 and get the game I want on a system I already own.

Tune in next time for a look at future releases (assuming the Wikipedia list is correct)

As far as I know, from that list, the only actual WiiU exclusives are as follows:

New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Rabbids Land
Sing Party
ZombiU
Lego City Undercover
Sports Connection
Tank! Tank! Tank! (this was actually an arcade conversion, but is console exclusive to the WiiU so far)

Having said that, I've heard that Rabbids Land, ZombiU and Lego City Undercover may not remain exclusive for long. Also, Game & Wario just came out and is exclusive.

[Daltone]

Those are games that are exclusive to the console, but also exist on other platforms which are not consoles(like handhelds and the PC). All five are Nintendo exclusive titles, except for one which is also for the PC. And I think three of the five games listed as "exclusive amongst consoles" are or will be available also for the good, old Wii. So they are not truly exclusive among the consoles, either.

Just thought I'd clear that up. :)

Ah I thought that that may be the case, but if I went out and guessed and got it wrong I'd probably have my head bitten off. Thanks!

[GhostDog]

I just want Nintendo to go back to how they were back in the NES and SNES days. I know it's hard to do now that Sony and Microsoft are in the mix, but Nintendo is trying way too hard to be different. It all started with the N64 with the carts when everyone started using discs, and then they went a totally different direction with the Wii. Now the Wii U's price is inflated for the actual hardware technology because the Wii U tablet is so expensive to produce. Nintendo could have instead made the hardware more powerful and used a regular controller but instead they were continuing where they left off with the Wii. Seriously, I hope Nintendo just goes back to the basics.

[kupomogli]

I'm about to play my 3DS just so I can put it down in an hour.

[Little Miss Gloom]

Just wanted to say that I love what Nintendo is doing these days. They are a breath of fresh air in a market that is over saturated with VIOLENT video games. Sure, violent video games have existed for a long time now. However, this wasn't really an issue for me back when the hardware couldn't realistically depict it. Just one look at Dead Rising 3 on the Xbox One actually made me feel a little dirty. Have we become so desensitized that we are easily overlooking, even embracing such grotesque fantasy? Sure, playing such a game doesn't mean I'm going to run out and kill people, but it certainly isn't nourishing my soul.

Nintendo has certainly found a niche, and it's in doing what they've always done: Creating colorful, character driven games that stimulate and challenge the mind without barraging it with extreme violence.

I love this post, and cannot agree more. Trailers for MK9 actually made me feel physically ill, and a game has never disturbed me so much before.

I don't know about the Wii U, but I keep telling people that the 3DS has the best library of game titles I've seen in a very ... VERY ... long time. For argument's sake, I don't care if a console doesn't have HD graphics or social multiplayer/chat, but as long as it gives me quality-built games that spark a sense of replayability I haven't felt since I was a little girl ... well, then, I think Nintendo is doing something right.

I never have to worry about Nintendo pumping out a game half-finished, only to release a subsequent patch to fix shit that should have been addressed before the launch date.

[Gamereviewgod]

... but I keep telling people that the 3DS has the best library of game titles I've seen in a very ... VERY ... long time. .

You tell people that because it's absolutely true. No other current console, handheld or otherwise, has been as relentlessly consistent with absolutely perfect time killers than the 3DS. Every major release has hit home, and even some lesser ones like Project X Zone.

If Nintendo can pull that off with Wii U, they have something.

[Buyatari]

Is there a game company that no one puts down?

Don't look at negative comments as a bad thing. Consumers have something to say and companies listen to all of this. The smart ones take it all in and at least process the feedback they are getting.

[PreZZ]

My main problem with nintendo is even their franchises are not very interesting TO ME anymore. I want to support them, and I still do, but they need to be innovative and bring more adult stuff like Metroid. I dont mind a mario platformer or zelda, but i dont like pikmin, super smash bros,mario party, mario sports, mario everything (but i do like paper mario, the wii game was one of the most underrated games in years), wii fit, wii fit plus, nintendoland, wario mini games (its ok for a rental, but ill never buy it), its just rehashes of the same old games especially the new super mario bros series. I want new franchises, the last time a nintendo game truly blew my mind was metroid prime on gamecube 10 years ago. I miss the Nintendo that surprised me during the snes\n64 days, like the original starfox or goldeneye. I want a Nintendo developped online FPS, sports games (bring back stanley cup hockey!), because they still have amazing talents but I feel like its wasted. I dont want all my games to be violent and realistic, but i dont want them all to be cheesy with princesses baking cakes for plumbers in a mushroom kingdom.

[Griking]

An interesting article about all this on Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/why-third-party-publishers-still-arent-thrilled-with-wii-u)

[kupomogli]

Nintendo has just become far less quality than they have been in the past with Mario titles which is what they constantly release. They haven't been making new IPs, the budget of these games are ridiculously low, and they can't atleast retain the quality of their older titles? Nintendo keeps their games priced high despite their drop in quality. While Galaxy and Galaxy 2 may be the best 3D games that Nintendo has to offer, New Super Mario Bros are easily the worst 2D games in the Mario series and if not for being Mario, most fans wouldn't consider them good I'm sure. Then there's Super Princess Peach for the DS which was one of the worst platformers I've ever played. NIS usually makes shitty RPGs, but the two times this gen that they developed platformers, Prinny and Prinny 2, they pushed out more quality than Nintendo has in the past decade.

While Mario sells from brand alone, they actually push out some good quality titles that don't sell or sell much less. Fire Emblem, Super Smash Bros, Kirby, Zelda, and Metroid. Obviously they keep releasing poorly developed Mario games because they make money, while releasing one or two of these other series to sell consoles and look as if they release something different once in awhile. I'm sure if Nintendo could get away with releasing nothing but shitty Mario titles, they would.

[InsaneDavid]

Press_Start is my new favourite poster on DP. He / she has overtaken even the mighty duo of Needler and JakeM.

Speaking of JakeM, he started this mess thread and hasn't been back around for awhile. I suppose he found a champion in Press_Start to carry his cause for him?

[ReaXan]

I traded in my 2007 360 stuff and extra non-modded Wii recently and got a WiiU this weekend. I have to say that besides the annoying updates that would take forever to install if you don't have high speed broadband it is actually a pretty decent system.

My daughter loves the Netflix on tablet function and loves bringing it around the house. The only thing is the limited radius on where you can take the tablet which isn't a dealbreaker in my opinion. She likes it alot more than the kinect setup mom got last Christmas for her and it does seem to appeal to the 5-10 year old kids very well.


The thing I like about it the most as longtime gamer is the backward compatibility with Wii stuff including the original Wii AV cables which is nice.(It only comes with an HDMI cable)

If you are on the fence about one I would say its worth trading all your 360 stuff in for it. I am planning on getting a Pro controller for it once more stuff comes out that I won't be playing on PC. I think it would be a nice 2nd system to have if your simply a console gamer. I believe its worth abandoning the 360 for but probably not worth getting just now if you use the PS3. Thats just my opinion though.

[Smashed Brother]

It's posts like this that make me almost miss the Meseta system so I could donate away! ROFL

Oh shoot! I didn't even notice that it was gone!!