Ninja Gaiden Trilogy for Super Famicom!?! [Archive]

ColecoFan1981

06-29-2013, 10:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzSImf5YEBI

You folks ever seen this? Ninja Gaiden Trilogy for the Super Famicom!?! I can't envision this having been released for our Super Nintendo, though... the whole Super Mario All-Stars-type compilation titles seemed to go out of style shortly after that title's own release.

~Ben

wiggyx

06-29-2013, 10:18 PM

Yes..

SparTonberry

06-29-2013, 10:20 PM

Yes, it certainly was released.
It has now become one of the most-wanted and most expensive SNES games and the SFC version (Ninja Ryuukenden Tomoe) is also as expensive.

ColecoFan1981

06-29-2013, 10:31 PM

But then, when it comes to reviews, they seem to be less than favorable concerning both video and audio... lots of people say both areas are out of whack, like for example, some stage tunes were rearranged for the worse when compared to the respective NES versions.

It's obvious the Super Mario All-Stars formula doesn't work for every classic NES franchise translated to SNES and other 16-bit consoles (viz. Mega Man: The Wily Wars for the Sega Genesis but was only available to us through the Sega Channel service)... which may explain why Konami never did a compilation of the three NES Castlevania games to be made for the SNES.

And, furthermore, the popularity of the SNES was on the wane when this title was released in the summer of 1995... that year witnessed the release of both the Sega Saturn and the Sony PlayStation. We knew time was ticking for the platform this game was released for.

~Ben

The 1 2 P

06-29-2013, 10:52 PM

Going by that clip I'd say the music is definitely off. I had a factory sealed copy of Ninja Gaiden Trilogy but sold it(to someone who works for RARE of all places) before I ever got to play it. But I still have all original Nes versions. I've been looking into the Super Famicom version but that too is quite rare and expensive.

FoxNtd

06-30-2013, 01:32 AM

It's rare. It's expensive. It sucks.

This is one item where I simply say, don't even waste your time and money on it.

Disclaimer: I like the series and own all 3 carts for Famicom where the music isn't fucked up and there's no password system added to the first 2 games for noobs. (Or some kind of saving/continuation function. Not sure. Don't really care. Slop ports make me rather unhappy at times X_X)

Tanooki

06-30-2013, 01:58 AM

I didn't waste 40 on it and enjoy and prefer it. NG3 has the difficulty repaired to match the JP release, and I have a toddler and lack of time so the password is truly welcome. I know the a/v boost was inexcusably shitty but I can look passed that.

InsaneDavid

06-30-2013, 03:00 AM

I think you guys are missing one of the biggest shortcomings of this game - it doesn't replicate the flashing lightning in Ninja Gaiden II, my favorite stage of my favorite game in the series. Instead the entire stage is simply illuminated the entire time.

Satoshi_Matrix

06-30-2013, 05:10 AM

Ninja Gaiden Trilogy for SNES is pretty sub-par for SNES standards, but the actual content isn't bad at all.

I like to think of the game as what the NES Ninja Gaiden games would have looked like if they were developed for the Sega Master System instead of the NES. The audio is that soft sounding SNES flare, but overall I think that it's a game more fitting Sega's 8-bit console than anything else.

XYXZYZ

06-30-2013, 05:15 AM

I have that game, the graphics are just like the NES version with more colors for shading drawn in, and the music is dull and fruity compared to the NES game.

Niku-Sama

06-30-2013, 05:34 AM

they didnt fix the annoying aound effects thats for sure

ShinobiMan

06-30-2013, 08:36 AM

I sold my sealed copy of Ninja Gaiden Trilogy on SNES for $500 a few years ago. It and Dynastic Hero for PCE were probably the most valuable games in my collection before I parted with them.

FoxNtd

06-30-2013, 01:53 PM

FieryReign

06-30-2013, 02:28 PM

The 1 2 P

06-30-2013, 05:44 PM

What did Tecmo use for the unlockable trilogy in the original Xbox Ninja Gaiden? It sure wasn't the NES versions, seemed like they used the SNES ports. I almost pulled all my hair out finding all those scarabs and then having to beat the game twice.

I sometimes forget those games are hidden in there. I never beat Ninja Gaiden for Xbox, I gave up after the second stage so I never got around to track down those games either. One of these days...

Zing

06-30-2013, 06:04 PM

The sound and music in this port is intolerable. I find it hard to believe that anyone would prefer to play these versions over the originals.

Captain_N77

06-30-2013, 08:27 PM

Kiddo

06-30-2013, 09:25 PM

The problems with Trilogy are WAY overblown. All 3 of the games are playable and obviously ports of the high quality NES games. Some funky music and graphical issues suddenly make 3 awesome games on 1 cart "suck"? Give me a break.

Well, it's not "Sonic Genesis" for GBA bad, that's for sure. In terms of replicating the gameplay it's more accurate than SMB1 on Super Mario All-Stars, even. But it's obvious people expected more.

I think the thing people are most disappointed in are that these remakes overall feel "phoned in", and lack the polish and hardware pushing the NES versions had. It doesn't feel like Ninja Gaiden if it doesn't feel like something which can trick you into thinking it has high production values. Note how most of the complaints people have outside of the questionable music arrangement (Although that being said, there are a few tracks which legitimately sound better -it's unfortunately most of the fan favorite NES tracks that got the worst portjobs) relate to minor graphical details being omitted. One or two of those are notable as it is, but the sheer amount that are missing when compared to the original NES trilogy makes you wonder if Tecmo sent this to some Tose-like third-rate porter for the job.

I think many people could've forgiven the questionable music if the extra graphical effects were intact, and vice-versa. But both being gone hampered the reputation of these remakes.

Dire 51

06-30-2013, 09:48 PM

I owned this for a time. Among the things I didn't like about it were the redone music (especially that one tune that sounds like it's being played on a xylophone now), the loss of certain graphic effects (most notably in NG2 and 3), and most of all, the inability to remap the buttons. Being forced to use A (jump) and B (attack) instead of B (jump) and Y (attack) did not feel right.

Having all the games on one cart was a nice convenience (as were the passwords added to 1 and 2), but that was about it. I'll stick with the NES originals.

MarioMania

07-01-2013, 04:02 AM

How much does NGT go for now?

Tanooki

07-02-2013, 12:35 AM

Over $100 I believe if the label isn't wrecked.

Parodius Duh!

07-02-2013, 02:11 AM

If you must have it buy it off of YJA, its only about 2-4000 yen (25-45 USD) but the three Famicom releases can probably be had for even less...

SuperSonic

07-02-2013, 03:43 AM

Speaking about super famicom I hear the games are much cheaper. Is this true and where should I buy?

M.Buster2184

07-02-2013, 07:24 AM

Man I'm glad this topic was brought up. For the longest time I wanted the Ninja Gaiden Trilogy, but after reading what everyone had to say, it sounds like a waste of money and I'm better off to keep playing it on my NES.

XYXZYZ

07-02-2013, 08:58 AM

jperryss

07-02-2013, 09:25 AM

I just finished NG1 on the trilogy cart. Is it just me or is Jashin harder in this version? I never have trouble with it in the NES game, but it kept kicking my ass on the SNES version. Maybe I was just sucking, but it seemed like those swirly things it shoots out were targeted at me.

Also, it's kind of funny how we're talking about 16 bit Ninja Gaiden and no one's mentioned the PC Engine port.

Having grown up on the NES version, I bought the PCE version about 2 years ago and tried really hard to like it, but couldn't. The controls on the NES version felt perfect, the PCE version is a bit off and just didn't do it for me. I also like the NES music better and found the choppy PCE scrolling to be a bit distracting.

Kiddo

07-02-2013, 12:40 PM

Also, it's kind of funny how we're talking about 16 bit Ninja Gaiden and no one's mentioned the PC Engine port.

Still not preferable over the NES version. The outright rewritten music isn't as good, it has it's own slew of graphics issues (The very first level's scrolling background, ouch!), and, from what I've played, there are many times when the actual gameplay feels off, even if ever so slightly.

It gets points for re-doing the cutscenes, though, with extra details and animations here and there. Certain scenes are better or worse off for it, but overall it's one detail that actually makes the PC-Engine version notable. Combined with the redone music, you at least feel that it wasn't so phoned in.

Thankfully someone's uploaded a video of gameplay for my convenience to refer to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=essPp0bhZDc

Edmond Dantes

07-02-2013, 12:55 PM

Honestly, the Trilogy would've been worth it if only they had fixed the restart points so they weren't so bullshit.

You should NOT have to replay all of Act 6 just because you died on the boss.

SparTonberry

07-02-2013, 04:29 PM

Speaking about super famicom I hear the games are much cheaper. Is this true and where should I buy?

The SFC version of NGT in particular? No, it's not significantly cheaper.
I don't think the FC versions are much cheaper either. III is getting to be expensive on NES, but the FC version is also increasing in value, due to the less crazy difficulty.

If you mean SFC games in general, RPGs and puzzle games tend to be cheap, but more action-oriented genres (platform, beat-em-up and shooter) are still usually expensive for the better games.

Parodius Duh!

07-02-2013, 04:41 PM

The SFC version of NGT in particular? No, it's not significantly cheaper.
I don't think the FC versions are much cheaper either. III is getting to be expensive on NES, but the FC version is also increasing in value, due to the less crazy difficulty.

If you mean SFC games in general, RPGs and puzzle games tend to be cheap, but more action-oriented genres (platform, beat-em-up and shooter) are still usually expensive for the better games.

Yeah, via ebay prices. You can get the SFC game off yahoo japan for about $25-45 and the Famicom games are mega cheap as well, I is like a 6 dollar game, II is about the same as I, and III is about $10-15. Ive learned my lesson, find a contact in Japan and you have no idea how much youll save.

DaddyMulk

07-07-2013, 11:07 AM

Going by that clip I'd say the music is definitely off.

The interesting thing about the music in NGT is that it sort of restores the lost channels of some of the tracks from NG1, albeit in a crappy way. We all know this track, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRpcMlFYjZg&list=PL85DC373E4DF2BC52&index=3

...but did you know that the version on the Ninja Ryukenden OST has a couple more channels?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcbxUWbo-bY&list=PLKkxnBwFOJGIbO1Jq3oOz0-DqtnoblBcZ

...which brings us to the NGT version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvN09CF1p4

There are a few other tracks on the OST that have more to them than the FC/NES versions, and this extra material was brought over to the SNES version. It's just a shame they weren't a little better at their selection of instruments/tempo settings.

Polygon

07-07-2013, 11:12 AM

If the price wasn't so obnoxiously high I would consider buying it. However, it's nowhere near worth what morons are paying for it considering it's shortcomings. In the end I would rather play the originals anyhow.

kazuo

07-09-2013, 02:49 AM

Yeah, via ebay prices. You can get the SFC game off yahoo japan for about $25-45 and the Famicom games are mega cheap as well, I is like a 6 dollar game, II is about the same as I, and III is about $10-15. Ive learned my lesson, find a contact in Japan and you have no idea how much youll save.

Pretty sure Ninja Gaiden Trilogy for Super FamiCom does not cost $25-$45 on YAJ. Cheapest I've seen a loose cart for is ~Y5000 and ~10,000 for a boxed one (there is a boxed one currently for about that price, the only one available on the site).

If you know a place to get them for the prices you're citing, do let interested parties know so they can buy.

The port is trash, though, and isn't worth the money unless you're a collector.

BlastProcessing402

07-11-2013, 08:40 PM

I just finished NG1 on the trilogy cart. Is it just me or is Jashin harder in this version? I never have trouble with it in the NES game, but it kept kicking my ass on the SNES version. Maybe I was just sucking, but it seemed like those swirly things it shoots out were targeted at me.

Also, it's kind of funny how we're talking about 16 bit Ninja Gaiden and no one's mentioned the PC Engine port.

It's probably just that the PCE port isn't as well known, at least outside of Japan. I didn't even know it existed until a few months ago. Meanwhile NGT, I rented at Blockbuster.

SparTonberry

07-11-2013, 08:55 PM

Strange they didn't even release that on Virtual Console. The game already has an English, and even Chinese, translation (accessible by entering a code on the title screen. They could've probably just changed the default language).

kazuo

07-12-2013, 06:00 PM

It's probably just that the PCE port isn't as well known, at least outside of Japan. I didn't even know it existed until a few months ago. Meanwhile NGT, I rented at Blockbuster.

This is true, a lot of people have no idea Ninja Gaiden was ported to PCE.

Did you also know it was ported to Game Gear and Lynx, and the Lynx is actually a arcade port?

SparTonberry

07-12-2013, 09:39 PM

The GG/SMS version is a different game, made by Sega. I haven't played it but I hear it's a pretty easy game and not that great.

Kiddo

07-13-2013, 06:49 PM

The GG/SMS version is a different game, made by Sega. I haven't played it but I hear it's a pretty easy game and not that great.

Clarify which? The GG and SMS each had a different Ninja Gaiden Game.

SMS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvC3MM3BmAo

GG:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHoPEgl85iE