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Satoshi_Matrix
07-15-2013, 09:24 AM
For those curious, I've put together a video review of the Lenkeng LKV8000 HD upscaler for PSP 2000/3000.

Thing is absolutely wonderful and makes playing PSP games on a HDTV significantly better than through official component cables.

Let me know if you have any questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1yPpNjs0Ek

kupomogli
07-15-2013, 01:05 PM
Nice review. You did suck at Mega Man and Castlevania but I'll brush that off as not doing as good because you were doing a review and not really trying. I was actually always wondering how well it worked and from your review it upscales without introducing any extra lag other than tv lag so that's cool. If you owned one of those HD PVRs you could go from PSP to LKV8000 to the the HD PVR, to the TV and retain 1080p and also record to your PC. A capture card is way better though. My capture card has 100 times better quality of the HD PVR which I bought only because my graphics card is too big and goes over both PCI-e slots.

Flashback2012
07-15-2013, 02:37 PM
Nice video. I have a pretty extensive PSP library so I may have to invest in one of those. :)

Retromangia
07-15-2013, 04:38 PM
Thanks for the review Satoshi!

I was wondering which online store did you buy yours from? And also, does the image get zoomed in at all, or is it actually properly up scaling it?

I'd also love to see a side-by-side comparison of the Lenkeng vs the component cables. :popcorn:

thanks again,

Retromangia

Tupin
07-15-2013, 04:43 PM
Well, it looks like I have a reason to upgrade from my old 1000 now.

Satoshi_Matrix
07-15-2013, 05:54 PM
Nice review. You did suck at Mega Man and Castlevania but I'll brush that off as not doing as good because you were doing a review and not really trying. I was actually always wondering how well it worked and from your review it upscales without introducing any extra lag other than tv lag so that's cool. If you owned one of those HD PVRs you could go from PSP to LKV8000 to the the HD PVR, to the TV and retain 1080p and also record to your PC. A capture card is way better though. My capture card has 100 times better quality of the HD PVR which I bought only because my graphics card is too big and goes over both PCI-e slots.

I'd love to get a capture card, but I have a imac, not a pc. I need a mac based recording solution. Do you have any suggestions?




Nice video. I have a pretty extensive PSP library so I may have to invest in one of those.

That's my main reason. There are great games that beg for the TV experience on the PSP and with the upscaler the PSP versions often look better than their PS2 cousins.




I was wondering which online store did you buy yours from? And also, does the image get zoomed in at all, or is it actually properly up scaling it?

It's roughly $65 shipped from any number of Hong Kong vendors. Check out ebay or other such online retailers. Be careful though - the Hong Kong market is incetious with unbranded clones, so you should ask the sellers if the device is a genuine Lenkeng LKV8000 before buying.

The zoom button zooms to the aspect ratio of the PSP games and then upconverts that. It doesn't look distorted or weird at all.



Well, it looks like I have a reason to upgrade from my old 1000 now.

Actually there are many reasons to upgrade. For one thing, the PSP 2000/3000 have much better screens and color depths and such, and more importantly, have much improved dpads. They're also significantly lighter to hold in your hands. Even though the battery is lower capacity, the entire device is more efficient, so the battery life goes up a little bit. And if you use a 1000's battery, you get even more juice (though it will bulge as the 1000 battery too is physically larger)

kupomogli
07-18-2013, 02:38 AM
I'd love to get a capture card, but I have a imac, not a pc. I need a mac based recording solution. Do you have any suggestions?

Unfortunately I don't. I looked at the HD PVR manual and the drivers for that are only for Windows so that won't work either. You could always record through emulation. Virtualdub is a good capture software for capture cards, not sure if you can use it for capturing off PC. You could use something like Hypercam 2, which allows you to drag a square around what you want to record, then Virtualdub for compression.

Tron 2.0
07-18-2013, 02:42 AM
So tempted to buy one.

Jorpho
07-19-2013, 12:19 AM
I was just wondering about this, if I may: I've heard that some TVs have a built-in zoom setting specifically designed to accommodate the PSP and other devices that have similar output.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412825

The obvious example is Sony's official Playstation 3D display, but those are only 24 inches.
http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3D-display-3/dp/B0050SZ49Y

Is this feature becoming increasingly common?

Letiumtide
07-21-2013, 12:42 PM
I have one myself and have had it for a few years now, I absolutely love it and almost never play PSP games without it now.

My word: Get it.

BlastProcessing402
07-22-2013, 04:25 PM
Looks nice, but is it really worth paying approx. 10x what PSP component cables go for these days?

If it did other systems as well, that would be a good price, but just for one system, it seems pretty high.

xelement5x
07-22-2013, 06:22 PM
Looks nice, but is it really worth paying approx. 10x what PSP component cables go for these days?

If it did other systems as well, that would be a good price, but just for one system, it seems pretty high.

I don't think you understand, even with component cables the output from the PSP does not fill the screen, so if you'd like something to take full advantage of your screen without boxing around the side you need a device like this.

If you're not really playing PSP games I can see your indifference, but if you want to play some of the really nice exclusives on a large screen this really is the way to go to get a solid experience.

BlastProcessing402
07-23-2013, 03:02 PM
I don't think you understand, even with component cables the output from the PSP does not fill the screen, so if you'd like something to take full advantage of your screen without boxing around the side you need a device like this.

If you're not really playing PSP games I can see your indifference, but if you want to play some of the really nice exclusives on a large screen this really is the way to go to get a solid experience.

Don't tell me what I don't understand. I merely question if paying ~$60 to get full screen and upscaling is worth it compared to ~$6 to get black borders (which may or may not be able to be zoomed away depending on the TV).

xelement5x
07-23-2013, 03:58 PM
Don't tell me what I don't understand. I merely question if paying ~$60 to get full screen and upscaling is worth it compared to ~$6 to get black borders (which may or may not be able to be zoomed away depending on the TV).


It's a Granny Smith to Honey Crisp comparison; it all depends on your preference.

Maybe you have a really nice TV already that supports basic zooming.
Maybe you have bad eyesight and can't tell the difference upscaling makes.
Maybe you don't mind having black borders.


Or maybe you'd prefer to play your games in the best possible experience you can. Reviews have shown there is a difference between the straight component and the output from the upscalers. For me, a little extra cash to get a better experience (espcially for the length of a PSP RPG) is a no brainer.

kupomogli
07-23-2013, 09:22 PM
For those of you who want a free alternative, here. PSP emulator that scales to 1080p.

http://www.ppsspp.org/downloads.html

Here's a video of it running Tekken 6. I wanted to post a video so you could see how framerate ran and saw a Tekken 6 combo test. Probably the best test someone can give is probably the most difficult fighter and then pull off full combos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYa742UAfsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3219u7MVu8&feature=player_detailpage&t=19

Zthun
07-24-2013, 02:11 AM
For those of you who want a free alternative, here. PSP emulator that scales to 1080p.

http://www.ppsspp.org/downloads.html

Here's a video of it running Tekken 6. I wanted to post a video so you could see how framerate ran and saw a Tekken 6 combo test. Probably the best test someone can give is probably the most difficult fighter and then pull off full combos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYa742UAfsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3219u7MVu8&feature=player_detailpage&t=19

Went and tried this out with various options. Multiple graphical glitches plagued the two games I tried. Tactics ogre didn't render the maps properly. Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles did a mirror render of the background. I wasn't impressed.

Jorpho
08-23-2016, 12:29 AM
I keep an active search result for the lkv8000 in the hopes of snagging one on the cheap, but generally nothing has ever come up. It occurred to me today to actually try Googling for it and it turns out it has been discontinued completely.
http://www.lenkeng.net/Index/detail/id/86

I suppose no worthy successor has emerged?

kupomogli
08-23-2016, 02:20 PM
Went and tried this out with various options. Multiple graphical glitches plagued the two games I tried. Tactics ogre didn't render the maps properly. Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles did a mirror render of the background. I wasn't impressed.

Well, three years later maybe it's working perfect now?

There's also the PSTV which has been natively hacked, but PSP isos don't work on the native hack, they'll only work on the eCFW though(you should be able to find this on wololo.net on how to and what digital game you need.) PSTV upscales to 720p and it can use a PS3 or PS4 controller to play the games instead of having to use the PSP. What you need though is a new PSTV that hasn't been updated yet and then download the game on your PC, and use a download blocker to allow you to transfer to your PSTV from your PC without updating your Vita. You might be wondering, but how do I get my account onto my PSTV if I've never connected it to PSN? If you load the game from your PSTV or Vita, it'll automatically add that system to your account on Sony's end. Here's Wololo.net for reference. http://wololo.net/talk/viewtopic.php?t=40302

Satoshi_Matrix
08-25-2016, 11:55 AM
You won't ever find one "cheap". Just bite the bullet and buy one while you still can even find one. Stocks won't last forever. The Vita TV has been hacked yes, but PSP isos isn't a thing you can do and even when/if it is, it'll be a cumbersome process. This allows you to run games on your TV using the native hardware, no emulation nonsense and the original UMD format.

kupomogli
08-25-2016, 01:29 PM
You won't ever find one "cheap". Just bite the bullet and buy one while you still can even find one. Stocks won't last forever. The Vita TV has been hacked yes, but PSP isos isn't a thing you can do and even when/if it is, it'll be a cumbersome process. This allows you to run games on your TV using the native hardware, no emulation nonsense and the original UMD format.

Native hack can't run PSP isos, eCFW can, and it's not that cumbersome of a process once you get it working in the first place. Everyone collects here, so it's not like the users here are going to just pirate the software, and even if they did, playing the game on the original PSP through the LKV8000 doesn't stop them from pirating either, it just upscales what's on the Vita.

The difference between the native hack is you can use homebrew/emulators made for the Vita which have much better performance, while the eCFW will let you play PSP ISOs and PSP homebrew/emulators(with SNES performance being good but has its issues.) If a PSP kernel exploit is released, then PSP games will be available on the native hack.

http://wololo.net/vita-cfw4dummies/

Satoshi_Matrix
08-25-2016, 11:57 PM
Vita hacking is so confusing. I have a Vita TV running 3.60. Has HENkaku and moculear shell and I've got a number of proof of concept but horribly unoptimized PSP emulators running on it.

Are you telling me it IS possible to run PSP isos? I thought that was impossible as of yet?

When it comes to PSP gaming on a PSP, I stand on the side of playing the actual UMDs rather than piracy. but on the Vita where UMDs isn't an option to begin with, I side with PSN. But there are MANY PSP games that I'd want to play on my PSTV that aren't on PSN. Like Megaman Powered Up, Brave Story, Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 2, etc.

Is there now a way to load PSP isos?on Vita TV?

kupomogli
08-26-2016, 04:01 AM
Vita hacking is so confusing. I have a Vita TV running 3.60. Has HENkaku and moculear shell and I've got a number of proof of concept but horribly unoptimized PSP emulators running on it.

Are you telling me it IS possible to run PSP isos? I thought that was impossible as of yet?

When it comes to PSP gaming on a PSP, I stand on the side of playing the actual UMDs rather than piracy. but on the Vita where UMDs isn't an option to begin with, I side with PSN. But there are MANY PSP games that I'd want to play on my PSTV that aren't on PSN. Like Megaman Powered Up, Brave Story, Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 2, etc.

Is there now a way to load PSP isos?on Vita TV?

Not on Henkaku. Your firmware is too high, 3.55 or less only. Just the ecfw was able to play PSP Isos because the PSP kernel was loaded with the games it used and it acted as the Vita was a PSP rather than a Vita, which this was also available on the PSTV. The TN-V or ARK but it's a lower firmware. Just wait and PSP will eventually come to Henkaku.

Jorpho
08-26-2016, 10:19 AM
You won't ever find one "cheap". Just bite the bullet and buy one while you still can even find one.Where would you even find one anymore?

kupomogli
08-26-2016, 11:44 AM
Where would you even find one anymore?

If you can't find one in stores, just did a quick Ebay search and they're easy to find $40 new with free shipping. You'll want new as well because they likely haven't been updated, and you'll also need to own a PS3 and PC if you want to get eCFW(PSP,) or Henkaku(no PSP,) because otherwise you'll have to update to 6.01 and even Henkaku is blocked.

Satoshi_Matrix
08-26-2016, 04:46 PM
beware of the cheap ones. They're not made by Linkeng, but are knock offs with sound issues and oversaturation problems. Some also don't feature the zoom.

Jorpho
08-27-2016, 12:41 AM
If you can't find one in stores, just did a quick Ebay search and they're easy to find $40 new with free shipping.Are we talking about the same thing..? There are no eBay hits for <lkv 8000> or <lkv8000>, and nothing much comes up for <psp to hdmi>.


and you'll also need to own a PS3 and PC if you want to get eCFW(PSP,)Are you saying you need a PS3 for a particular PSP firmware update?

Satoshi_Matrix
08-28-2016, 07:15 PM
No, that's Vita. You need a PS3 to transfer the data to the Vita as the Vita can't just connect to a PC without HENkaku and moculearshell.

LordsOfSkulls
09-02-2016, 09:02 PM
so what are you guys typing in Ebay to find this X)?

kupomogli
09-03-2016, 01:45 AM
Are we talking about the same thing..? There are no eBay hits for <lkv 8000> or <lkv8000>, and nothing much comes up for <psp to hdmi>.

Are you saying you need a PS3 for a particular PSP firmware update?

No. Was just talking about why not just use a PSTV since it hooks to the tv and upscales to 720p. And depending on the firmware the Vita can play PSP games.

But maybe not, as some news came up a week ago. PS Vita game software can finally be pirated. The Vita has been on life support, but the amount of game releases we get at retail will reduce to 50% or even 0% due to this announcement in the future. People will argue that piracy doesn't hurt anything, and that the DS did just fine, but you also have to look at the age of the DS' fanbase and the type of people who buy the consoles for their kids(usually people who don't know anything about technology.) The people who bought the Dreamcast, the PSP, the Vita, are these kinds of people, so when word gets around that piracy is a thing on the Vita, if these people even still play the things, most of them are going to pirate. Devs will stop publishing games in the west, it'll be the PSP all over again but worse because the Vita had very little support to begin with. Probably should put this in a new topic.

Satoshi_Matrix
09-04-2016, 01:33 PM
It's unfortunate, but is inevitable that piracy of Vita will eventually happen.

But while piracy will have a certain amount of impact, I don't think it will be as serious a problem as it was on PSP.

The vast majority of Vita owners are adults aged 20 or older. As in, adults who can buy games, not kids who need their parents to buy games for them. As such the Vita has a thriving community of people who demand phyiscal releases of games - see why LimitedRunGames is successful with Vita releases.

One of the compelling reasons for piracy on PSP was because the UMD format was awkward, had slow loading, and had an increased drain on the PSP's battery life since it was a mechanical drive. The Memory card - especially when microSD card adapters came into being - offered a much better alternative, so piracy was the best choice. This isn't the case on Vita. Digital from PSN games and phyiscal Vita cards equally load the same fast speed, and because the Vita has a propitary memory card, it's preferable to go physical to save the download size of the game otherwise needed for the digital version. Plus, it's fun to actually have a physical game.

I think that piracy will potentially dampen sales of digital only games through PSN, but probably won't have much of an impact with anything that's physical.


On the bright side of things, piracy of Vita games means the manipulation of Vita games - which means the potential for fan translations. There are quite a number of Vita games that are only available in Japanese, and the prospect of being able to play them in English is exciting.

RARusk
09-04-2016, 01:53 PM
It's unfortunate, but is inevitable that piracy of Vita will eventually happen.

But while piracy will have a certain amount of impact, I don't think it will be as serious a problem as it was on PSP.

The vast majority of Vita owners are adults aged 20 or older. As in, adults who can buy games, not kids who need their parents to buy games for them. As such the Vita has a thriving community of people who demand phyiscal releases of games - see why LimitedRunGames is successful with Vita releases.

One of the compelling reasons for piracy on PSP was because the UMD format was awkward, had slow loading, and had an increased drain on the PSP's battery life since it was a mechanical drive. The Memory card - especially when microSD card adapters came into being - offered a much better alternative, so piracy was the best choice. This isn't the case on Vita. Digital from PSN games and phyiscal Vita cards equally load the same fast speed, and because the Vita has a propitary memory card, it's preferable to go physical to save the download size of the game otherwise needed for the digital version. Plus, it's fun to actually have a physical game.

I think that piracy will potentially dampen sales of digital only games through PSN, but probably won't have much of an impact with anything that's physical.


On the bright side of things, piracy of Vita games means the manipulation of Vita games - which means the potential for fan translations. There are quite a number of Vita games that are only available in Japanese, and the prospect of being able to play them in English is exciting.
Let's not forget emulators. The PSP has some good emulators such as Masterboy 2.10. But MAME is hit and miss. However, the beefier processor on the Vita should make for better emulator experiences.

Satoshi_Matrix
09-05-2016, 12:45 AM
Yes......if they become optimized for the hardware, that is. Homebrew emulators for gaming devices are almost always ported over from te PC version as-is with very minor UI changes and control changes as are nessesary for the new platform. but the actual emulator itself is foreign code written for foreign hardware.

The Vita runs PSP and PS1 games incredibly well because Sony built emulators for the Vita specifically. Had they not, PSP emulation on the Vita would be about as good as PSP emulation on the Ouya - works, but lots of problems.

Another issue is gaining access to the entire raw power of the Vita. I've read that currently Vita homebrew can only access about 1/5th the Vita's output, and that's why only very small scale homebrew has been possible.

Regardless, I don't think piracy will hamper the Vita's software sales very much. The process to actually get homebrew is cumbersome and requires very specific outdated firmware and the Vita ahs no way of downgrading firmware. Plus, because of its librbary, the Vita's fanbase is almost entirely made up of hardcore gamers - the kind of person who imports games from the other side of the world if they don't get released in their country. The kind of person who buys a limited run game release. The kind of person who loves the Vita despite its lack of any recent AAA games. These people buy physical Vita games and so piracy is not a consideration.