I Think He Just Defiled My Super Nintendo... ;~;

[goob47]

So yeah, just found this... Uhm, does anyone else think this is pretty much the biggest insult to the Super Nintendo since the Retron?

http://www.behance.net/gallery/Super-Nintendo-Revolution/9016695

BTW Don't mean to offend anyone who doesn't wanna get an original SNES (for whatever strange reason)...

[8-Bit Archeology]

Take that cheaty little thumb drive out of the equasion. Make it play real carts. I like the controllers and even the color scheme. But did you have to go all cheaty with it? For why?!?

[Pikkon]

It's nothing more than a fake.

[Rickstilwell1]

The flash drive sticking out the middle makes it looks like the system is flipping you off.

[wiggyx]

Why? It's so big for absolutely no reason other than to ape the original quite exactly.

[Tanooki]

Looks interesting but is it real? Retron5 has it covered though using real games, not warez in a USB stick.

[MidnightRider]

So, if that's real, it's basically an SNES emulation machine?

If you're going to go that route, it'd be easier to find a good gamepad for something that does everything you'd want to emulate already, like a PC, or if anyone got an Ouya.

[ReaXan]

So, if that's real, it's basically an SNES emulation machine?

If you're going to go that route, it'd be easier to find a good gamepad for something that does everything you'd want to emulate already, like a PC, or if anyone got an Ouya.

Even a Wii can emulate the SNES fairly easily and seems more genuine since your playing on an actual Nintendo machine at least

[Satoshi_Matrix]

So yeah, just found this... Uhm, does anyone else think this is pretty much the biggest insult to the Super Nintendo since the Retron?

http://www.behance.net/gallery/Super-Nintendo-Revolution/9016695

BTW Don't mean to offend anyone who doesn't wanna get an original SNES (for whatever strange reason)...

First off, those images are nothing more than 3D mock-ups of a concept of a device, not something that does or would or could actually exist. Nintendo still owns the design patients of the SNES and to copy them so exactly save for the shade of color is just asking for a legal battle.

Secondly, what the HELL is your problem? "biggest insult to the Super Nintendo since the Retron"? What is THAT suppose to mean? Are you talking about the Hyperkin RetroN3? If so, then....what the hell are you talking about. Are you talking about the RetorN5? If so, again...what the hell are you talking about? Or are you just saying you don't like clone hardware and regardless of what anyone does it won't matter to you because your bitter? If so, yay for you. Nobody cares.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just want to know what you even mean.

[ReaXan]

First off, those images are nothing more than 3D mock-ups of a concept of a device, not something that does or would or could actually exist. Nintendo still owns the design patients of the SNES and to copy them so exactly save for the shade of color is just asking for a legal battle.

Secondly, what the HELL is your problem? "biggest insult to the Super Nintendo since the Retron"? What is THAT suppose to mean? Are you talking about the Hyperkin RetroN3? If so, then....what the hell are you talking about. Are you talking about the RetorN5? If so, again...what the hell are you talking about? Or are you just saying you don't like clone hardware and regardless of what anyone does it won't matter to you because your bitter? If so, yay for you. Nobody cares.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just want to know what you even mean.

the guy said on another thread that he is 15 so he is still learning the ways of the force so to speak lol


Personally I always thought the SNES was a bland looking system and I thought the Super Famicom looked a lot better IMHO.

[goob47]

First off, those images are nothing more than 3D mock-ups of a concept of a device, not something that does or would or could actually exist. Nintendo still owns the design patients of the SNES and to copy them so exactly save for the shade of color is just asking for a legal battle.

Secondly, what the HELL is your problem? "biggest insult to the Super Nintendo since the Retron"? What is THAT suppose to mean? Are you talking about the Hyperkin RetroN3? If so, then....what the hell are you talking about. Are you talking about the RetorN5? If so, again...what the hell are you talking about? Or are you just saying you don't like clone hardware and regardless of what anyone does it won't matter to you because your bitter? If so, yay for you. Nobody cares.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just want to know what you even mean.

Yeah... I realize it's a 3D mockup, but they're trying to "modernize the SNES". The Retron comment was cold, I'm sorry. I just think that it's cheap for a company to steal the exact EVERYTHING of a companies work and make money off of it. I realize "oh, they have NES support" or "oh, it looks cooler" or "oh, it's cheaper" (probably not true). Like I said, I didn't want to offend anyone, but I was just portraying my personal opinion... Pardon me.

[goob47]

the guy said on another thread that he is 15 so he is still learning the ways of the force so to speak lol


Personally I always thought the SNES was a bland looking system and I thought the Super Famicom looked a lot better IMHO.

True, I am 15. The ways of the force are difficult to master when fellow Jedi can't accept the beliefs of others.

And yes, the Super Famicom does look much better. ROFL Especially the controller, no bland buttons.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

I just think that it's cheap for a company to steal the exact EVERYTHING of a companies work and make money off of it.

But that's my point though - modern retro product makers can't copy EVERYTHING. The industrial design of the SNES and Super Famicom was patented to Nintendo who still retain the rights to the physical design even after the hardware patients themselves expire allowing others to essentially make copies.


I realize "oh, they have NES support" or "oh, it looks cooler" or "oh, it's cheaper" (probably not true). Like I said, I didn't want to offend anyone, but I was just portraying my personal opinion...

Which is what, exactly? I don't understand what you're even trying to say. Are you saying that modern day third party companies should not make clones on an artistic basis? Multiple systems should not be combined? Are you suggesting that no technology created over the past twenty years can be added to make the experience better than it originally was? Do you simply have a fundamental hatred of clones and emulation based on an irrational notion that the best way to experience a product is the original hardware, flaws and all?

The fact is that everything has its strengths and weaknesses, and it's completely unfair to lump all of...anything together without an open viewpoint willing to look at things objectively without prejudgement. That's what breeds prejudice, even if it's something as harmless as talking about clone hardware and emulation.

[goob47]

But that's my point though - modern retro product makers can't copy EVERYTHING. The industrial design of the SNES and Super Famicom was patented to Nintendo who still retain the rights to the physical design even after the hardware patients themselves expire allowing others to essentially make copies.



Which is what, exactly? I don't understand what you're even trying to say. Are you saying that modern day third party companies should not make clones on an artistic basis? Multiple systems should not be combined? Are you suggesting that no technology created over the past twenty years can be added to make the experience better than it originally was? Do you simply have a fundamental hatred of clones and emulation based on an irrational notion that the best way to experience a product is the original hardware, flaws and all?

The fact is that everything has its strengths and weaknesses, and it's completely unfair to lump all of...anything together without an open viewpoint willing to look at things objectively without prejudgement. That's what breeds prejudice, even if it's something as harmless as talking about clone hardware and emulation.

Okay, okay, okay, calm down, buddy. We're all retro gamers here, there's no need to argue like this. All I'm saying is that when companies piggyback off the innovations of the past to make money for themselves by saturating the market with these cheap clones (and yes, I'm talking to you, Yobo (http://www.yobogroup.com/)...), things start to get out of hand. I realize that Super Nintendos are starting to get a little pricey these days, but if you really enjoy vintage/retro gaming, it's not the price that matters, but the fun you get out of it.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

Okay, okay, okay, calm down, buddy. We're all retro gamers here, there's no need to argue like this. All I'm saying is that when companies piggyback off the innovations of the past to make money for themselves by saturating the market with these cheap clones (and yes, I'm talking to you, Yobo (http://www.yobogroup.com/)...), things start to get out of hand. I realize that Super Nintendos are starting to get a little pricey these days, but if you really enjoy vintage/retro gaming, it's not the price that matters, but the fun you get out of it.

Clone hardware is produced to fill demand for a market. Parents expire, new companies swoop in copying and in some cases improving on the original design and capitalizing on nostalgia while offering new, more reliable hardware that offers space saving features like the ability to run multiple original consoles in a single unit or a controller that universally works with everything. With the exception of Hyperkin, clone makers generally come from China where there is a booming demand for low cost gaming devices.

Even so, the market is niche and in no way could be considered "over saturated", especially as new clones come and replace older ones instead of being marketed alongside newer products. There's a reason Yobo for example doesn't still market the NeoFami.

There are of course, plenty of low quality clones stemming from the fact that QA has historically been low on the list of priorities of low-end consumer electronic companies from China. But things have begun to change as Chinese markets have expanded globally and demand for quality has increased. Yobo Gameware isn't the same company it was in 2005, and competition from RetroBit has caused Hyperkin to step up their game too.

This winter's next batch of clones promise to be better than any that have come before it, and will offer benefits you simply can't get from the original hardware. It remains to be seen just how the strengths and weaknesses will play out, but I'm optimistic about the future of clones.

[goob47]

Clone hardware is produced to fill demand for a market. Parents expire, new companies swoop in copying and in some cases improving on the original design and capitalizing on nostalgia while offering new, more reliable hardware that offers space saving features like the ability to run multiple original consoles in a single unit or a controller that universally works with everything. With the exception of Hyperkin, clone makers generally come from China where there is a booming demand for low cost gaming devices.

Even so, the market is niche and in no way could be considered "over saturated", especially as new clones come and replace older ones instead of being marketed alongside newer products. There's a reason Yobo for example doesn't still market the NeoFami.

There are of course, plenty of low quality clones stemming from the fact that QA has historically been low on the list of priorities of low-end consumer electronic companies from China. But things have begun to change as Chinese markets have expanded globally and demand for quality has increased. Yobo Gameware isn't the same company it was in 2005, and competition from RetroBit has caused Hyperkin to step up their game too.

This winter's next batch of clones promise to be better than any that have come before it, and will offer benefits you simply can't get from the original hardware. It remains to be seen just how the strengths and weaknesses will play out, but I'm optimistic about the future of clones.

C'mon, man. There are a LOT of things I'm going to call you out on, only because I very much disagree with everything you've just stated. By "saturation of clones", I mean this: How come when I walk into my local RETRO gaming store, the first thing I see are those crappy third-party NES controllers, crappy power bricks, and unreliable EVERYTHING. The phrase "if it aint broke, don't fix it" applies in every way in this situation. The Chinese demand is perfectly reasonable, but is in no way a "niche market". I seriously wouldn't be surprised if the local Target or Walmart started selling those shitty USB controllers for emulation. Don't even get me started on that. I mean, I know some people can't afford titles like Earthbound, Terranigma, or Chrono Trigger, but there's no reason you should steal the game illegally. (Please don't drop the "prick" line on me, 'cause it's not true.)

I can't believe people look forward to things like "this winter's new batch of clones". Seriously?! Nintendo and Sega should have the right to reproduce their old consoles (OH YEAH, VIRTUAL CONSOLE.), and if they don't want to, they should be getting a LARGE percentage of these plagiarist companies revenue. Yeah, so that's my opinion. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's just different from mine, and truthfully I respect that.

[Zthun]

C'mon, man. There are a LOT of things I'm going to call you out on, only because I very much disagree with everything you've just stated. By "saturation of clones", I mean this: How come when I walk into my local RETRO gaming store, the first thing I see are those crappy third-party NES controllers, crappy power bricks, and unreliable EVERYTHING. The phrase "if it aint broke, don't fix it" applies in every way in this situation. The Chinese demand is perfectly reasonable, but is in no way a "niche market". I seriously wouldn't be surprised if the local Target or Walmart started selling those shitty USB controllers for emulation. Don't even get me started on that. I mean, I know some people can't afford titles like Earthbound, Terranigma, or Chrono Trigger, but there's no reason you should steal the game illegally. (Please don't drop the "prick" line on me, 'cause it's not true.)

Good enough reason for me.

[RP2A03]

...but there's no reason you should steal the game illegally.



Good enough reason for me.


Shame on you! You should steal the game legally.

[goob47]

Shame on you! You should steal the game legally.

Look, I know copyright laws aren't enforced like that, but don't you feel even a little guilty?

[PizzaKat]

That was the sexiest looking console...until I saw that USB stick in the middle. On the issue of clone consoles I'm looking forward to the Retron 5 due to the convenience factor, I got them all but its just convenient to have an all in one system for people who don't or can't afford the originals. Hopefully the reviews are good.

[Terminusvitae]

Look, I know copyright laws aren't enforced like that, but don't you feel even a little guilty?

I don't, but I'm of Neutral Evil alignment and give fewer cares than your average '90s sitcom slacker character.

[Atarileaf]

Parents expire.

Nice. You wanna talk about dead puppies too?

[Tanooki]

I don't get the bad attitude over clones other than you don't like them and they exist. The original makers sure have every right to make the old stuff again, but they won't, no profit in it, which is exactly exactly why he said it was a niche market. If it had enough of a true interest, they'd open a production line.

I have almost no love for clones, compatibility on them are terrible in some ways. Only once was my mind changed on that, and even it isn't perfect, but that 2nd version of the supaboy from hyperkin works amazing as a portable SNES. Less than 1% of the games won't work right, and a half dozen need a cart swap on boot to work due to the sa1 chip inside, but that's it. The trade off of a solid device that does what the original can on the go makes it worth it. Just As this new hyperkin retron5 will do much the same with real games, a real emulator with load and save states, game genie like support, interpolated audio, famicom without Japanese hardware issues, and without needing a gamecube player gba on TV. They claim it runs it all, we shall see, but I won't condemn it before a release.

[MidnightRider]

Look, I know copyright laws aren't enforced like that, but don't you feel even a little guilty?

If emulation ran alongside the consoles having been current, you'd have a point (like if a perfect emulator for 3DS, Vita, Wii U, 360, Xbone, PS3, or PS4 came out now). People collecting for older consoles now are just doing it as a hobby, and nothing else. Sometimes too much of a hobby, as a lot of them have far too much to actually play, and keep collecting more. The big issue with your point of view is that, with those cartridges being so expensive, not a single cent of what you would pay would go to Ape Studios, Quintent, or Square-Enix, or any other official, original developer/publisher.

If the original consoles and cartridges were still being sold by the official companies, emulation probably wouldn't be a thing, or as much of a thing. As is, I can't see the reasons for a guilty conscience over something the official companies see as dead, except for the occasional excuse to make money off the nostalgic, by releasing compilations on modern consoles.

If you still keep up with modern consoles, then I would encourage buying those compilations(sounds like a great Genesis one was released for the 360/PS3 relatively recently, for example) or the Virtual Console, or whatever is still officially released, but I can't see getting on anyone's case that doesn't feel like keeping up with what's current.

[goob47]

Only once was my mind changed on that, and even it isn't perfect, but that 2nd version of the supaboy from hyperkin works amazing as a portable SNES.

Agreed. The convenience factor, along with the fact that it even kept the original color scheme of the SNES, is a plus. :)

And sorry guys if I'm being pretentious... I guess when I look at the pirating community I get a little surprised that the respect for gaming is so little but yet so large... I mean, I've seen people who spend countless hours making Mac ports of PC games illegally, just so it can be played by the public. But then there's those people who have those .zip files with like every frickin' NES game and Atari 2600 game out there... That's just plain annoying, and I'm sure a large percentage of you will agree.

[DiEsmitty]

To me clones are like digital downloads, they don't get my money. Yes there. Convenient but nothing beats the real thing. I really don't think clones are filling demand, there are still a plethora of original consoles floating around.

[Terminusvitae]

Agreed. The convenience factor, along with the fact that it even kept the original color scheme of the SNES, is a plus. :)

And sorry guys if I'm being pretentious... I guess when I look at the pirating community I get a little surprised that the respect for gaming is so little but yet so large... I mean, I've seen people who spend countless hours making Mac ports of PC games illegally, just so it can be played by the public. But then there's those people who have those .zip files with like every frickin' NES game and Atari 2600 game out there... That's just plain annoying, and I'm sure a large percentage of you will agree.

Heh. I used to have an extensive collection of classic consoles, games, and peripherals, and I even did a lot of repair work both in Digital Press's Marketplace and the Internet at large. In the end, I decided it really is just simpler and more convenient to do it the less legal way.

[goob47]

Heh. I used to have an extensive collection of classic consoles, games, and peripherals, and I even did a lot of repair work both in Digital Press's Marketplace and the Internet at large. In the end, I decided it really is just simpler and more convenient to do it the less legal way.

Thus the epidimy of our society. "It's convenient, so I'll do it that way." Sure, the road less traveled may be a little harder for you to traverse, but isn't it worth the experience? C'mon. There's nothing better than playing a good game like Super Mario World or Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past on the original SNES on a CRT TV. :|

[Bazoo]

Thus the epidimy of our society. "It's convenient, so I'll do it that way." Sure, the road less traveled may be a little harder for you to traverse, but isn't it worth the experience? C'mon. There's nothing better than playing a good game like Super Mario World or Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past on the original SNES on a CRT TV. :|

I understand the sentiment that we're a retro gaming community and the authentic experience provides the best experience, but I wouldn't knock him/her: they've simply weighed the costs/benefits and found that emulation is more worth it. I find that the original NES provides me with a flood of nostalgia. That nostalgia, it should be noted, is very personal to me. If I play SMB3 there, I greatly appreciate the feeling, but not everyone has the same feeling. Even if so, if I play SMB3 on an emulator, it's not quite the same nostalgia (a tad bit) but I still come out feeling that I experienced a great art form.

[Terminusvitae]

Thus the epidimy of our society. "It's convenient, so I'll do it that way." Sure, the road less traveled may be a little harder for you to traverse, but isn't it worth the experience? C'mon. There's nothing better than playing a good game like Super Mario World or Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past on the original SNES on a CRT TV. :|

I'm not one for nostalgia, as there's nothing from my youth worth remembering. I played all those games on their consoles at one point or another, and I had the experience of using and maintaining cartridges and systems. After all that, I prefer the ease, convenience, and low-maintenance approach that emulation provides.

I see little value in trying to recapture the emotion of my first kiss or the excitement when I got my driver's license, and I feel the same about reliving video game experiences.

[goob47]

I'm not one for nostalgia, as there's nothing from my youth worth remembering. I played all those games on their consoles at one point or another, and I had the experience of using and maintaining cartridges and systems. After all that, I prefer the ease, convenience, and low-maintenance approach that emulation provides.

I see little value in trying to recapture the emotion of my first kiss or the excitement when I got my driver's license, and I feel the same about reliving video game experiences.

Well, I feel really sorry for you then. You must've had an awful childhood. :|

[Zthun]

Thus the epidimy of our society. "It's convenient, so I'll do it that way." Sure, the road less traveled may be a little harder for you to traverse, but isn't it worth the experience? C'mon. There's nothing better than playing a good game like Super Mario World or Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past on the original SNES on a CRT TV. :|

Flash carts provide the convenience and the experience. You don't have to worry about the cart dying and if it does, you can replace the cart and still keep all your saves on the flash drive. Best of all, you still play the games on the original hardware.

[goob47]

Flash carts provide the convenience and the experience. You don't have to worry about the cart dying and if it does, you can replace the cart and still keep all your saves on the flash drive. Best of all, you still play the games on the original hardware.

And that's your opinion. Thanks for sharing.

[Ed Oscuro]

The only part of that post that was based on opinion was saying that those things equate to the same experience. In my view, that's not much of a leap.

Speaking of opinions, who taught you to begin sentences with a conjunction?

[MarioMania]

I just like playing my SNES Games on real Hardware

I only emulate the NES/SNES on my Wii with the SNES Controller

[Zthun]

And that's your opinion. Thanks for sharing.

It's not an opinion. The only difference between playing off a flash cart and playing off a legit cartridge is the missing artwork and box. If you are stating that the best experience is on the original hardware with original controllers, and on a CRT TV; flash carts give you this. The only thing missing in the equation is the actual cartridge.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

By "saturation of clones", I mean this: How come when I walk into my local RETRO gaming store, the first thing I see are those crappy third-party NES controllers, crappy power bricks, and unreliable EVERYTHING.

My best friend owns and operates a gaming store, so I can answer that absolutely. The answer is because the original hardware is over twenty years old, and finding decent condition controllers, power supplies, consoles, and so on is becoming increasingly difficult, and warranty concerns are also an issue.

What happens when someone purchases an NES and encounters the blinking power issue? If they're not tech savvy, they return it. What happens if they claim the controller isn't responsive? They return it. Returns are a giant headache for small retailers. The other option is to not offer a warranty at all, but that makes you a huge douche in the eyes of the customer and reduces the likelihood they'll shop with you again. By selling new third party products, both the retailer and the customer can be assured what is being sold does not have twenty years of wear and if there IS a problem, it can be returned, exchanged, and the defective product can be sent back to the manufacture for retailer compensation for the loss of the sale.


The Chinese demand is perfectly reasonable, but is in no way a "niche market". I seriously wouldn't be surprised if the local Target or Walmart started selling those shitty USB controllers for emulation.

Um.....yes, yes the clone market IS a niche market. To say it isn't is just...wrong. The mainstream market is the PS3/Xbox360/WiiU crowd. The kind of gamer who would be interested in retro clones in the first place is a small demographic. Another way you can tell its a niche market is because only third parties are involved in it. Do you honestly think that if the clone market was not niche, that is, a large market that was highly profitable- that Nintendo and other original manufactures wouldn't swoop in and start manufacturing new consoles themselves that played these retro cartridge based games?

Nintendo especially is a position where they could make new production NES, SNES, GameBoy and so on units themselves to squash the third party clone competition, but they don't care because the market is niche, and most gamers don't care in the first place.



I know some people can't afford titles like Earthbound, Terranigma, or Chrono Trigger, but there's no reason you should steal the game illegally.

Are you speaking purely from a moral standpoint? If so I won't attempt to sway you, but in practical terms, I would argue quite the opposite. Even if you were to buy copies of these games through the official Virtual Console downloads, the money you spent would only be going to the license holders and Nintendo for running the servers. The original developers do not see a penny of it. And that's talking about the digital download copy. When you buy a physical cartridge, the money spent goes only to the seller, obviously. Modern flash cartridges eliminate the barrier of entry to these games. They provide a solution to a problem that is created by the free market. If that's a good or bad thing ultimately boils down to a moral issue, so I firmly stand by my statement that it should be up to the individual consumer to decide to use flashcarts or not. I see both sides of the argument.


I can't believe people look forward to things like "this winter's new batch of clones". Seriously?! Nintendo and Sega should have the right to reproduce their old consoles

Again, They do have the right to do that, and the ability. They just don't because it wouldn't be profitable enough for them to bother.



(OH YEAH, VIRTUAL CONSOLE.)

Virtual Console is merely paid-for emulation. The money spent on any games again goes to Nintendo for running the servers and whomever the publisher was, or currently owns the rights to the publisher. The original developers still see no profit from this anymore than they would see profit from the sale of a twenty year old cartridge. The idea that Virtual Console is in anyway superior to free emulation is bogus and exists solely in the buyer's perception.


they [Nintendo/Sega/other original companies] should be getting a LARGE percentage of these plagiarist companies revenue.

*SIGH* No, that's wrong as well. The design patients have expired. Exact electronic hardware designs can be patiented for twenty years. After that, the designs become public domain. That means that anyone who wants to put up the capital to reverse engineer the design and sell a new product that is exactly based on the original patients are free to do so without any potential legal action taken against them for doing so. Hyperkin, Retro-Bit, Yobo and others are completely on the legal side of things when they produce new hardware. They don't owe Nintendo or Sega a cent of their profits.

It's no different than any other field. Take the drug industry for example. The brand name of a pharmaceutical is sold for a while, but after the patients expire, generic versions of the exact same drug can be introduced to the market. This is how we ended up having Tylonol, Asprin, Advil, Motrin, and many more variants of ibuprofen tablets.



That was the sexiest looking console...until I saw that USB stick in the middle. On the issue of clone consoles I'm looking forward to the Retron 5 due to the convenience factor, I got them all but its just convenient to have an all in one system for people who don't or can't afford the originals. Hopefully the reviews are good.

*Facepalm* Again...that's just a graphic artist mock-up of a fictitious device. That doesn't exist, won't exist, and very likely could never exist. The USB stick in the middle was just a homage to cartridges of olde.

[ApolloBoy]

When I read the title I thought that the OP had his SNES modded and the modder did a horrible job on it. I have to say though, those clones are extremely ugly and scream cheapness.

[MASTERWEEDO]

I used to have a huge collection, then junkies stole it, now its all the less legal way...well I guess it was legal when i still owned the games. But even then I had repros.

[BricatSegaFan]

I used to have a huge collection,

For some reason I thought this was going to be an arrow in the knee joke. Don't ask why it's early in the morning lol

[goob47]

The only part of that post that was based on opinion was saying that those things equate to the same experience. In my view, that's not much of a leap.

Speaking of opinions, who taught you to begin sentences with a conjunction?

Oh, ha ha. Perhaps if this was an essay.... but this is a forum. I write as I would speak to someone. So please quit pointing out pointless crap.

[goob47]

In response to Satoshi_Matrix and his epic post of bullshit...

Dude, I'm not even gonna quote you on that. There's no reason to be such a big dick about everything! From all the posts I've seen of yours, it's obvious you're a real smart-ass bitch who only cares about correcting others and conforming them to whatever you think. Please just give others a chance to view my own opinions before you shit on them.

All I'm saying is that I wish people could have good character (thus doing good things even when no one is watching or cares) just for the sake of the retro community as a whole. Is there anything wrong with that?!

And no, please don't answer that question, you fucking asshole.

[goob47]

It's not an opinion. The only difference between playing off a flash cart and playing off a legit cartridge is the missing artwork and box. If you are stating that the best experience is on the original hardware with original controllers, and on a CRT TV; flash carts give you this. The only thing missing in the equation is the actual cartridge.

Look, I'm not saying there's anything remotely wrong with that, I'm just saying that I personally think the experience is much better when you do have those things. Isn't it cooler to be playing a game on your NES, get stuck, and then rather than refer to the internet, look at the original Nintendo Power Player's Guide? It's such a refreshing breath of historic enlightenment.

I would really prefer if you weren't so self centered, like your opinion is the only one that matters. All I wanted to see in this post is what people think of my opinion, and if they agree. And obviously, you disagree. Let's leave it at that and quit this sad bitch-fest.

So to sum it up, I beg you to shut the fuck up.

[ApolloBoy]

So to sum it up, I beg you to shut the fuck up.
You'll last long here, I'm sure of it.

[Satoshi_Matrix]

In response to Satoshi_Matrix and his epic post of bullshit...

Dude, I'm not even gonna quote you on that. There's no reason to be such a big dick about everything! From all the posts I've seen of yours, it's obvious you're a real smart-ass bitch who only cares about correcting others and conforming them to whatever you think. Please just give others a chance to view my own opinions before you shit on them.

All I'm saying is that I wish people could have good character (thus doing good things even when no one is watching or cares) just for the sake of the retro community as a whole. Is there anything wrong with that?!

And no, please don't answer that question, you fucking asshole.


Listen you. I have been nothing but polite. You've kept claiming things that are either factually wrong, or make absurd statements out of absolute ignorance. If you personally don't like clones, that's your own choice and you are entitled to that.

But when you start saying things that have no basis in truth or reality, I will speak up to correct you, because ignorance is the source of your anger, not me. Informing you of your errors does not make me a dick. Again, you are entitled to your opinions. But there's a difference between saying expressing an opinion and expressing factually incorrect information.

Re-read my previous post. All I've done there is correct your errors, and retorted back with questions that your comments brought forth. You say I'm an asshole, but I'm not the one calling the other names or making up absurd statements.

This thread started out with you assuming a graphic artist mock-up was a "defilement" of the SNES hardware and were immediately corrected that you were wrong. Are the people who corrected you before I did also assholes for doing so? Should we have all said nothing and pretended you were correct?

I'll gladly address anything you have to say.

[goob47]

Sorry to bother you, Mods, but please delete this thread. We have strayed too far from the point, and it's getting out of hand. I apologize for the name-calling and judgement.

[Zthun]

Look, I'm not saying there's anything remotely wrong with that, I'm just saying that I personally think the experience is much better when you do have those things. Isn't it cooler to be playing a game on your NES, get stuck, and then rather than refer to the internet, look at the original Nintendo Power Player's Guide? It's such a refreshing breath of historic enlightenment.

It's nostalgic to think about finding solutions in old magazines that had much more than simple reviews and previews, but I don't understand what that has to do with playing carts on the NES. You talked about playing on original hardware and emulators and roms can't provide this, and I simply provided a counter-example to this.



I would really prefer if you weren't so self centered, like your opinion is the only one that matters. All I wanted to see in this post is what people think of my opinion, and if they agree. And obviously, you disagree. Let's leave it at that and quit this sad bitch-fest.


It wasn't an opinion. It was a statement of how to play roms on the original hardware.



So to sum it up, I beg you to shut the fuck up.


No.

[PapaStu]

Sorry to bother you, Mods, but please delete this thread. We have strayed too far from the point, and it's getting out of hand. I apologize for the name-calling and judgement.

I'm glad to see that when you don't get things they way you want, when people find something that to them goes against your opinion and just mention it or challenge it with their thoughts, much as like you said, how a conversation would go. You then turn to begging people to shut the fuck up.

I won't delete this thread. People should be able to see it. I will however lock it because it has run it's course straight into the ground... all thanks to you.

Congrats!

**lockerooni**