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Arkanoid_Katamari
03-24-2014, 12:53 AM
Idk about everyone else, but I think these games are totally underrated. Ok, maybe not totally. But in my mind, they're as good as any classic Mario game, and any Mega Man game. My fav being Kirby's Adventure, cuz that was before they branched him out into these gimmicky side-games like Avalanche and Pinball.

All of them are incredible, tho. The actual platforming ones. Kirby Superstar is an absolute work of art, the graphics are incredible, the gameplay is exciting and weird. They really stand out as unique platformers, and altho the difficulty isn't thru the roof like Mega Man, they're meant to just be experienced, without leaving ur thumbs with blisters.

I kno its a pretty well-known Nintendo franchise, but I still think they live in the shadow of some of these other titles.

And by the way, Kirby's Adventure wasn't the easiest to beat, anyway. It wasn't the heated battle that most NES games are, but towards the end I did feel pretty challenged. It's a forgiving game, but it's still an NES game. Personally I think it's just as good as Mega Man 2 and SMB 3.

Aussie2B
03-24-2014, 01:06 AM
Kirby's Adventure is probably a little underappreciated because it's such a late NES release. By the time it came out, all the attention was on the 16-bit consoles. I think the Kirby series as a whole gets plenty of love, though.

And the spin-offs are great games. Kirby's Pinball Land is still one of my very favorite pinball video games. I've had loads of fun with Dream Course and Block Ball as well.

Afrokid
03-24-2014, 01:30 AM
I like the saga a lot and I have many games of it. Kirby games has a considerable popularity.

Personally I think the saga needs a refresh new games are almost the same formula repeated over and over again.

retroman
03-24-2014, 01:41 AM
I love Kirby games. Been a fan since the original GB game. Both Wii games I thought were very good with Epic Yarn the best.

The Adventurer
03-24-2014, 01:42 AM
Kirby is one of Nintendo's tent-pole franchises, maybe third behind Mario and Zelda, so I don't think Kirby is that underrated really.

Pretty much all the Kirby platformers are must owns. Kirby's Dream Land 2 was a major game of my youth, one of the first games I really worked at 100% completing. Getting to its real ending was one of my biggest gaming memories.

I personally think Kirby's Super Star gets a little too much reconition as 'the best' Kirby game. Personally I thought it was a bit thin, being made up of several short games, instead of being one long game. Kirby's Dream Land 3 is, IMO, better. Its too bad it came out so late in the SNES life span.

8-Bit Archeology
03-24-2014, 10:44 AM
Love em all. Kirby is one of the greats. My favorite has got to be Nightmare in Dreamland. The first is a classic along with crystal shards. Great games but I dont think Kirby is hurtin for attention.

(>°.°)> ~~~ ✩

Tanooki
03-24-2014, 10:55 AM
I wouldn't go as far as underrated on Kirby but I would put it clearly in the category of second fiddle, a B+ franchise they're hit and miss on respecting properly. Kirby was more the big bad thing 10-20 years ago. In that time frame you got the 3 classic 'Dream Land' titles, Super Star, the GBA titles, and the best of the lot the under the radar (being as SNES been out for awhile) Kirby's Adventure which even Nintendo acknowledged doing the GBA re-release of it.

Kirby was a fantastic franchise, and like F-Zero they used to respect it a LOT more, so much they even carried over their anime cartoon stuff for a few years into the Fox TV network 'Fox Box' for kids. I remember watching every single one of those as they were just damn good fun, especially the Kirby episodes. These days though since the GC mid-era, DS and beyond stuff they've kind of fallen into bitch status of abused, wrecked and somewhat forgotten with a few shimmering moments of hope and a few mean teases (F-Zero on Nintendoland WiiU.)

I think the best highlight of Kirby still though was when they didn't overly convolute it with a lot of really dumb assed gimmicks and kitchy garbage as they did with the draw game and the huge pile of kirbys and using a mic to do this and that with the DS era stuff and after with just that 'Return to Dreamland' late on the Wii as almost an apology for deviating from what made it fun. Kirbys best days were the Dreamland titles and 'Adventure' on the NES hands down. It's just a shame the traditional Kirby titles have dried up console side outside of the one I noted on Wii which was a super late release with not much fanfare, but at least they did that cool anniversary package too with the classic titles. Blows my mind they didn't do crap for Metroid and F-Zero has all but dried up along with Starfox outside of Smash Bros bones being tossed.

Rickstilwell1
03-24-2014, 05:12 PM
I always felt like the series branched into two styles when Kirby's Dream Land 2 hit. Kirby's Dream Land 2, Kirby's Dream Land 3, and Kirby 64 went one direction with the hidden star collecting and forced buddy sections while Adventure, Super Star, and Amazing Mirror seemed to stick to a different theme and art style. Less marshmallowy art, and more smooth sprites with brighter colors.

Alpha2099
03-24-2014, 06:05 PM
For the longest time, the only Kirby games I'd played were Kirby's Dream Land and Kirby's Pinball Land, both on Game Boy. It wasn't until several years ago that I played Kirby's Adventure for NES, which I really liked.

JSoup
03-24-2014, 06:11 PM
I pretty much stopped caring about Kirby after a few of the DS games. The last Kirby game I really, thoroughly enjoyed was Super Star. All the following ones just didn't seem to have the same punch (to me) that Super Star had. It was Squeak Squad that killed it for me, as piss poor as it was.

treismac
03-24-2014, 06:13 PM
I dig Kirby. My first taste of the pink hero was on the NES (as a late twenties adult, mind you) and I loved the game, finding it to be one of the cooler platformers on the system. My son and I have played through Return to Dreamland on the Wii twice now, and it is definitely proof that big developer platformers can still bring the house down. Even apart from his games, I find the character of Kirby adorable, which certainly does nothing to detract from the pleasure of playing his games.

kupomogli
03-24-2014, 06:17 PM
I like Kirby's Adventure, it's remake, and Kirby Superstar the best, but I like Kirby's Dream Course, Kirby's Pinball Land, and Kirby's Dream Land(I think? the first one with the animals) too. I didn't like the original much and never played any of the others.

Jorpho
03-25-2014, 09:20 AM
It was Squeak Squad that killed it for me, as piss poor as it was.Squeak Squad was pretty sad. But I hear Mass Attack and Return to Dreamland are pretty decent.

Tanooki
03-25-2014, 01:05 PM
Return to Dreamland is a stand out that actually is good like the early Kirby stuff before it got derailed and sucky.

NESter
03-25-2014, 03:03 PM
I once dreamed there was a Kirby's Adventure 2. Oh, it was awesome! I can only imagine that if the NES had lived a few years longer that the dream would have become a reality.. :(

Rickstilwell1
03-25-2014, 04:21 PM
I once dreamed there was a Kirby's Adventure 2. Oh, it was awesome! I can only imagine that if the NES had lived a few years longer that the dream would have become a reality.. :(

It could still become a reality through ROM hacking.

The Adventurer
03-25-2014, 04:22 PM
I once dreamed there was a Kirby's Adventure 2. Oh, it was awesome! I can only imagine that if the NES had lived a few years longer that the dream would have become a reality.. :(

Kirby's Dream Land 2 is the sequel to Kirby's Adventure. It took all the elements introduced in Adventure and added more.

NESter
03-25-2014, 06:02 PM
Kirby's Dream Land 2 is the sequel to Kirby's Adventure. It took all the elements introduced in Adventure and added more.

I never played much of Kirby's Dream Land 2. but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt considering that I do remember entering and exiting the stages through doors, much like in Adventure.


It could still become a reality through ROM hacking.

That would sweet! But I don't think anyone's made a Kirby's Adventure level editor yet. And in my dream, I think there was a two player mode, so we're talking serious ROM hacking here, plus a bunch of fresh assembly.

kikenovic
03-25-2014, 06:57 PM
Back in 93' (wow, time really flies) it didn't help much most people were focused on their 16 bit systems and forgot about the NES. Some people like yours truly were still playing NES alongside their 16 bit console. One of those games that caught my attention at the video store was precisely Kirby's Adventure. Easily it is in the top 5 NES games of all time, my god, am I glad I didn't ditch the NES back then.
Colors, designs, music, controls, it was absolute NES perfection. And I'll leave it at that for now. Gotta go.

Jorpho
03-25-2014, 11:03 PM
Kirby's Dream Land 2 is the sequel to Kirby's Adventure. It took all the elements introduced in Adventure and added more.I didn't much care for the animal helpers in KDL2 and KDL3; I think the wider, less-predictable variety of powers in the other games is much more appealing.

Tanooki
03-25-2014, 11:03 PM
Uhh Kirby's Dreamland 2 is a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland 1. Kirby's Adventure was its own game, and yet there is a Kirby's Adventure 2, but we know it as the Wii game 'Return to Dreamland.' Back on the GBA they re-released Kirby's Adventure as Kirby's Nightmare in Dreamland with a new coat of paint and other little tweaks along with nicer audio.

The Dreamland series of games were their own set between 1+2 on GB and then the very late release SNES game being #3.

The Adventurer
03-25-2014, 11:10 PM
Uhh Kirby's Dreamland 2 is a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland 1.


That's like saying Kirby's Adventure isn't a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland.

JSoup
03-25-2014, 11:16 PM
That's like saying Kirby's Adventure isn't a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland.

It...isn't.
That was just explained a post ago.

The Adventurer
03-25-2014, 11:22 PM
How, in the great googs of moog, is Kirby's Adventure not a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland?

Kirby's Dreamland 1992
Kirby's Adventure 1993
Kirby's Dreamland 2 1995

Its a sequel. Dreamland 2 is its follow up. They all build off of each other's mechanics progressively. They are all made by the same developers. Are you getting hung up on numbers in titles? Numbers in titles don't matter, that's just marketing.

Arkanoid_Katamari
03-25-2014, 11:45 PM
How, in the great googs of moog, is Kirby's Adventure not a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland?

Kirby's Dreamland 1992
Kirby's Adventure 1993
Kirby's Dreamland 2 1995

Its a sequel. Dreamland 2 is its follow up. They all build off of each other's mechanics progressively. They are all made by the same developers. Are you getting hung up on numbers in titles? Numbers in titles don't matter, that's just marketing.

Ocarina of Time isn't a sequel to Link to the Past..... Just sayin'

The Adventurer
03-25-2014, 11:49 PM
Ocarina of Time isn't a sequel to Link to the Past..... Just sayin'

Uh, pretty sure it is. For a bunch of reasons.

EDIT: Though I suppose you could say its a sequel to Link's Awakening.

JSoup
03-26-2014, 12:27 AM
Uh, pretty sure it is. For a bunch of reasons.

Nope. For much the same reasons as the Kirby examples above.

The Adventurer
03-26-2014, 12:39 AM
Then your definitely of sequel is wildly different then mine.

JSoup
03-26-2014, 01:12 AM
Then your definitely of sequel is wildly different then mine.

Your definition of a lot of things is wildly different than most accepted definitions, I've noticed.



Meant to reply to this:


Squeak Squad was pretty sad. But I hear Mass Attack and Return to Dreamland are pretty decent.

I'm perhaps being to hard on Squeak Squad. It's not a bad game, really, just not enough to it to justify paying more than a few dollars. I always felt that it would have done better as an early DSi download. If you happen to find it for $10, it's totally worth that. Mass Attack I've never played, but I've watched a friend play it. I got the same feeling from it that I did from Amazing Mirror. A decent concept that didn't pan out all the way, but still pretty fun. As for Return to Dreamland, again, something I've seen played but not actually played myself. Looked good.

Rickstilwell1
03-26-2014, 01:14 AM
Then your definitely of sequel is wildly different then mine.

So Final Fantasy Mystic Quest is the Sequel to Final Fantasy IV? lol

NESter
03-26-2014, 01:30 AM
Kirby's Adventure was made years before work on Dreamland 2 even started, and probably before they even knew there would be a sequel to the GB game. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying that Kirby's Adventure is a sequel to it as there is no (or at best a very loose) chronology in the series to suggest otherwise.

Arkanoid_Katamari
03-26-2014, 01:57 AM
Then your definitely of sequel is wildly different then mine.

I don't see Kirby's Adventure as a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland. They're just two separate stories. I don't think Mario 64 is a sequel to Yoshi's Island..? But it was the next Mario game. It doesn't even really matter, they're both great games. Also, what the hell does Super Mario Land have to do with Super Mario Land 2?? They're both way different. 2 being the absolute better one, imo.

I haven't played Kirby's Dreamland 2 yet tho, does anyone know if it's as short as the original?

Jorpho
03-26-2014, 09:02 AM
I feel that KDL2 and KDL3 have a much stronger emphasis on slow, methodical puzzle solving and that Kirby's Adventure, Kirby Super Star, and Kirby 64 are more action-oriented, so they stand quite well as separate series in that regard.


I haven't played Kirby's Dreamland 2 yet tho, does anyone know if it's as short as the original?It is of a decent length; I wouldn't want to finish it in one sitting. Very few things are as short as the original.

Tanooki
03-26-2014, 10:44 AM
How, in the great googs of moog, is Kirby's Adventure not a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland?

Kirby's Dreamland 1992
Kirby's Adventure 1993
Kirby's Dreamland 2 1995

Its a sequel. Dreamland 2 is its follow up. They all build off of each other's mechanics progressively. They are all made by the same developers. Are you getting hung up on numbers in titles? Numbers in titles don't matter, that's just marketing.

Dates don't mean shit, stop trying so hard to be right when you're wrong as you come off as stubborn and obtuse. If Kirby's Adventure was the intended sequel it would have been noted as such. Nowhere has it ever been said that, EVER. Nintendo though clearly did state publicly this much. Kirby's Nightmare in Dreamland is a remix/recreation of Kirby's Adventure when it came out in the 2000's. Then, when Nintendo released Kirby's Return to Dreamland, they called that game the sequel to Kirby's Adventure/Nightmare in Dreamland. They're their own set of two games, just that, two games, an old game with a gba remake that was made into a 'series' by doing the Wii title. If the NES game was part of the Dreamland trilogy, then 2 and 3 would have been 3 and 4, and the Wii game would have been Dream Land 5 subtitled as Return to Dreamland.

Aussie2B
03-26-2014, 02:45 PM
A new entry in a franchise isn't necessarily a sequel to the previous title. Some franchises even contain multiple sub-series. Just look at the Megami Tensei franchise. Nocturne isn't a sequel to Persona 2 and Digital Devil Saga isn't a sequel to Nocturne because those all belong to different series under the MegaTen umbrella. Heck, even when games do have matching titles with an incremented number, that doesn't necessarily mean they're proper sequels. Final Fantasy X-2 was the sequel to Final Fantasy X, but Final Fantasy X wasn't really the sequel to Final Fantasy IX; it was just the next entry in the Final Fantasy franchise, completely unrelated to prior titles story-wise.

Rickstilwell1
03-26-2014, 05:17 PM
I don't see Kirby's Adventure as a sequel to Kirby's Dreamland. They're just two separate stories. I don't think Mario 64 is a sequel to Yoshi's Island..? But it was the next Mario game. It doesn't even really matter, they're both great games. Also, what the hell does Super Mario Land have to do with Super Mario Land 2?? They're both way different. 2 being the absolute better one, imo.

I haven't played Kirby's Dreamland 2 yet tho, does anyone know if it's as short as the original?

Super Mario Land 2's instruction manual actually tells you that Mario's castle was taken over by Wario because he left it vacant while saving Daisy from Tatanga in the first Super Mario Land. The games are different but the manual links the stories directly. Now where Mario got his castle in the first place, we don't know. Did Peach reward him with it for saving her in Super Mario Bros 3 (Japanese release date of '88, the year before Super Mario Land)?

kupomogli
03-26-2014, 09:42 PM
Everyone knows that plumbers make bank. Mario bought that castle with gs straight up, yo.

Arkanoid_Katamari
03-30-2014, 12:42 AM
Super Mario Land 2's instruction manual actually tells you that Mario's castle was taken over by Wario because he left it vacant while saving Daisy from Tatanga in the first Super Mario Land. The games are different but the manual links the stories directly. Now where Mario got his castle in the first place, we don't know. Did Peach reward him with it for saving her in Super Mario Bros 3 (Japanese release date of '88, the year before Super Mario Land)?

He coulda made money selling DK to the zoo after DK 1, until Junior came along....