Counterfeit Sega CD games being sold on eBay and distributed by some shady website.

[Bojay1997]

Care to explain why Sony owns the rights to these?

http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74579863

http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74576253


You also never supplied proof that allows you to make CD-Rs of the Domark titles which are currently property of Square Enix, as well as Burning Fists which is owned by Sega and Citizen X which is owned by Hasbro.

I just posted this on Atari Age, but since you keep spreading your lies and garbage, I will repost it here.

The fact that you linked to a trademark database is really just more proof that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Not only that, but both trademarks are dead and have been since 1996.

http://tmsearch.uspt...4804:eit7xh.2.8

http://tmsearch.uspt...804:eit7xh.3.11


More importantly, whether or not Sony has a valid and active trademark on the names has nothing to do with the underlying product which is under copyright. Since Sony never paid the developer for the product and therefore never obtained the rights to distribute the games, Sony would have a very difficult time claiming that the developer licensing those games to a third party (in this case Good Deal Games) violated a copyright which Sony never held. Frankly, you need to stop and stop now as you are literally completely wrong and doing serious damage to a respected company in the collecting and gaming community and potentially creating problems for other companies licensing and selling niche games from defunct publishers and developers.

[NinSEGA]

I just posted this on Atari Age, but since you keep spreading your lies and garbage, I will repost it here.

The fact that you linked to a trademark database is really just more proof that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Not only that, but both trademarks are dead and have been since 1996.

http://tmsearch.uspt...4804:eit7xh.2.8

http://tmsearch.uspt...804:eit7xh.3.11


More importantly, whether or not Sony has a valid and active trademark on the names has nothing to do with the underlying product which is under copyright. Since Sony never paid the developer for the product and therefore never obtained the rights to distribute the games, Sony would have a very difficult time claiming that the developer licensing those games to a third party (in this case Good Deal Games) violated a copyright which Sony never held. Frankly, you need to stop and stop now as you are literally completely wrong and doing serious damage to a respected company in the collecting and gaming community and potentially creating problems for other companies licensing and selling niche games from defunct publishers and developers.

Doesn't explain why he has stopped selling Star Strike, The Exterminators, and the budget release of The Exterminators. From what I recall, the budget release of The Exterminators would always be available (with a $19.75 price tag) but now it has mysteriously changed to "SOLD OUT".

[ccovell]

Could Senator McCarthy get back in his grave, please?

[Bojay1997]

Doesn't explain why he has stopped selling Star Strike, The Exterminators, and the budget release of The Exterminators. From what I recall, the budget release of The Exterminators would always be available (with a $19.75 price tag) but now it has mysteriously changed to "SOLD OUT".

No, but it shows that clearly you know nothing about what you are making claims about. What kind of moronic idiot doesn't understand the difference between a trademark and a copyright? The answer would be you.

[Aussie2B]

This topic has been a wild ride, haha.


This is going to be a constant back-and-forth I see, so I'm just going to leave one last post for this thread and let people make their own judgement.

I will not post anymore in this thread.

So much for that, eh?

[NinSEGA]

No, but it shows that clearly you know nothing about what you are making claims about. What kind of moronic idiot doesn't understand the difference between a trademark and a copyright? The answer would be you.

http://i57.tinypic.com/rs6hdj.png

[Bojay1997]

http://i57.tinypic.com/rs6hdj.png

And you posted this because? Why don't you explain to all of us the difference between a trademark and a copyright and why a trademark that has been dead since 1996 and a title screen to a previously unpublished game which falsely claims that a company owned copyright when they clearly didn't per the actual rights holder would give rise to a claim by that entity against a publisher that did properly license the rights as GDG has done?

[NinSEGA]

You want one for Star Strike, too?

http://i62.tinypic.com/34g6eqa.png


Sony doesn't own the copyrights to these, right? Disregard Sony's name because GoodDealGames says so, right?

[YoshiM]

Those links you posted-are THOSE the documents you said you had? I'm still waiting for your "proof".

[NinSEGA]

And you posted this because? Why don't you explain to all of us the difference between a trademark and a copyright and why a trademark that has been dead since 1996 and a title screen to a previously unpublished game which falsely claims that a company owned copyright when they clearly didn't per the actual rights holder would give rise to a claim by that entity against a publisher that did properly license the rights as GDG has done?

Do you have proof that Sony didn't pay for it? I'd say that GDG's website suddenly listing the games as "SOLD OUT" may indicate something, but that's up to GDG to tell us what that reasoning is.

[Bojay1997]

You want one for Star Strike, too?

http://i62.tinypic.com/34g6eqa.png


Sony doesn't own the copyrights to these, right? Disregard Sony's name because GoodDealGames says so, right?

Simply typing the name of a publisher in a title screen next to the word copyright doesn't mean that the copyright is valid. I have numerous prototype games in my collection that have the names of publishers with a copyright that never ended up obtaining that copyright and the games were then released by another publisher. That's what happens with unreleased games, especially when the publisher backs out like Sony did in this case by not moving forward with the payments to the developer.

[NinSEGA]

Those links you posted-are THOSE the documents you said you had? I'm still waiting for your "proof".

The documents posted by Thomasson in regards to the 3 Stargate titles are what I had received.

[Bojay1997]

Do you have proof that Sony didn't pay for it? I'd say that GDG's website suddenly listing the games as "SOLD OUT" may indicate something, but that's up to GDG to tell us what that reasoning is.

GDG doesn't owe you anything. You made the claims, so put up or shut up. Show us actual proof that Sony owns rights to either of those games, because everything I am seeing including a dead trademark on both names and a developer that claims they were never paid and had the rights to sell the games to GDG shows that they don't.

[Bojay1997]

The documents posted by Thomasson in regards to the 3 Stargate titles are what I had received.

So the only proof you have are contracts that show the complete opposite of what you are claiming? GDG put up their documents, so now put up your documents showing Sony owned the games. Surely you wouldn't make these outrageous claims without any proof, right?

[NinSEGA]

So the only proof you have are contracts that show the complete opposite of what you are claiming? GDG put up their documents, so now put up your documents showing Sony owned the games. Surely you wouldn't make these outrageous claims without any proof, right?

Once again, it was a verbal discussion with Sony's anti-piracy department. I had asked if these were legitimate games, the person told me no, and then asked for information such as where I found them on the internet and website URLs, etc.

[Bojay1997]

Once again, it was a verbal discussion with Sony's anti-piracy department. I had asked if these were legitimate games, the person told me no, and then asked for information such as where I found them on the internet and website URLs, etc.

In other words, you have no proof. Just a discussion with some random person at Sony who likely had no idea whether Sony had the rights to the games or had ever paid the developer.

[YoshiM]

Once again, it was a verbal discussion with Sony's anti-piracy department. I had asked if these were legitimate games, the person told me no, and then asked for information such as where I found them on the internet and website URLs, etc.

I spoke with Kaz Hirai tonight. Said it's all good in the hood.

What, don't believe me? But it's a verbal discussion so it has to be true.

See what I did there?

So again: what's your story? Why the vendetta? What's in it for you? Why should we, the retro gamers of DP or anywhere for that matter, care about your crusade? Of all the things to ruffle feathers and get attention, why this?

[JSoup]

What kind of moronic idiot doesn't understand the difference between a trademark and a copyright?

Hey, now, not everyone can claim to be a lawyer.
Or maybe I'm wrong...

[Bojay1997]

Hey, now, not everyone can claim to be a lawyer.
Or maybe I'm wrong...

True, but this guy is purporting to be an expert in licensing and the difference between a trademark and and copyright is something even the least experienced licensing person would need to understand to do their job.

[Gameguy]

Do you have proof that Sony didn't pay for it?
Seeing as Sony didn't release the game, yet it's being sold by Good Deal Games, that's more proof than what you're providing as evidence.


Here's a video of a Tengen Tetris prototype. It says it's licensed by Nintendo. Figure that one out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMVyuayZIM

[T2KFreeker]

Seeing as Sony didn't release the game, yet it's being sold by Good Deal Games, that's more proof than what you're providing as evidence.


Here's a video of a Tengen Tetris prototype. It says it's licensed by Nintendo. Figure that one out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMVyuayZIM

How about the fact that the PS2 game "The Red Star" is published by XS games, but supposedly is licensed by Acclaim Games, which had gone out of business a whole year before the game released? Gee, what a shock, the original publisher never released the game and XS bought the publishing rights, I guess the guys from Acclaim should sue because it says they own the Copyright and XS actually published it. Then again, I guess it's all okay because the game isn't on a DVD-R or CD-R which makes it all legit. Or how about the fact that Southpeak Entertainment released the PSP and Nintendo DS versions of the TNA wrestling game, but yet it says it Copyrighted by the then defunct Midway Games? Oh damn, better get a hold of someone from the old Midway camp, I see another cease and desist order coming from a dead company.

Nintega, please find something else to harp on or go someplace else. The guys at GDG work their asses off and deserve to do so in relative peace and quite without having to worry about you trolling them and making their lives a living Hell. You are just spreading lies and BS stories about them. If this is all you have to add to the classic gaming scene, please, just go away. Then again, I guess they will have to ban you like they did in the PC Engine community to get you to go away. I wish Mike Helgesson was here to put you in your place like he always does. Where is he when we need him? Either way, people like you make me sick. It's like the person that sues McDonald's because they spilled Hot Coffee on their laps and it was too hot. Then you complain it's too cold. You are never happy. A representative from Sony could call you right now and tell you the games are legit and you'd still persist on saying that they aren't. Just stop now while you're still ahead.

[o.pwuaioc]

True, but this guy is purporting to be an expert in licensing and the difference between a trademark and and copyright is something even the least experienced licensing person would need to understand to do their job.

Or in other words, before you accuse people of shit, make sure you know what that shit actually is!

[Tanooki]

Frankly, you need to stop and stop now as you are literally completely wrong and doing serious damage to a respected company in the collecting and gaming community and potentially creating problems for other companies licensing and selling niche games from defunct publishers and developers.

I've stayed out of this and kept reading, but you know you're right. He needs to shut the fuck up and back off with this ignorant tunnel vision quest of his. Piko (Piko Interactive) on the board here, NA and elsewhere is currently becoming the #1 vendor of retired(dead) trademarked games, homebrew titles, and completed(or close, they finish them for the maker) games to get them to market. The stuff is old NES, Genesis, SNES, and TG16 like stuff and more to return to those formats but also to modern formats as well depending on whatever factors (such as tablets, pc, console maker download services.)

The fact he wants to go into this digging and harassing bullshit is over the top. I actually help out Piko here and there on a regular basis on the back end of things looking at things he needs consult or help on and this is too damn close to paralleling some serious harassment.

I can't even call it a stretch more than indirect to borderline direct harassment and if attacked straight into libel/slander territory if it got directed Piko's way. He's fabricating new cartridge shells and boards, new labels, new manuals, new boxes and packaging these games up one way or another as stuff comes to fruition. I can guarantee you if this shit continues he could very well not only have Good Deal Games up his ass but other companies as well.

[SparTonberry]

Here's a video of a Tengen Tetris prototype. It says it's licensed by Nintendo. Figure that one out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMVyuayZIM

It was probably pending actual license. Assuming Tengen developed it while they were still licensed. From what I read, Nintendo expected third-party developers to send them a release-candidate cart/ROM (including the "licensed" text), as well a full play video before Nintendo would review the game for compliance with their content policy before they would give final approval to release the game.

There is VS. Tetris, which is also a variation of the Tengen version. No idea if that is actually released or not. (and if that would have been an issue with Sega's arcade Tetris out)

[Cornelius]

It's like the person that sues McDonald's because they spilled Hot Coffee on their laps and it was too hot.

Please go read the details of that case before you use it in an argument like this. Just a pet peeve of mine. Most people won't use this example once they know what happened and not just what they heard on the news.

[bb_hood]

Please go read the details of that case before you use it in an argument like this. Just a pet peeve of mine. Most people won't use this example once they know what happened and not just what they heard on the news.

Yes, that poor woman got injured very badly. The pictures of her injuries are disturbing.

[JSoup]

Yes, that poor woman got injured very badly. The pictures of her injuries are disturbing.

And, within a reasonable degree, her own fault.
There is a pretty detailed documentary out there called Hot Coffee that shows that while she was not 100% at fault, she was far from blameless.

[Bojay1997]

And, within a reasonable degree, her own fault.
There is a pretty detailed documentary out there called Hot Coffee that shows that while she was not 100% at fault, she was far from blameless.

We must have seen very different versions of that documentary, because what I saw made it pretty clear that McDonald's had a practice of serving coffee as much as 50 degrees hotter than other similar fast food chains (McDonald's coffee at the time could be as much as 190 degrees when it was handed to customers versus 140 degrees elsewhere) and had hundreds of claims in the year leading up to the injury of this particular elderly woman, the woman was not driving at the time of the injury (she was a passenger in the vehicle) and was in fact simply removing the lid to add sugar and creamer when the contents spilled on her lap and caused massive third degree burns. The jury found her 20% liable and McDonald's 80% liable. So, yes, she wasn't blameless, but this clearly wasn't mostly or even within a reasonable degree "her own fault".

[SparTonberry]

Why would you get a drink, let alone a VERY HOT drink, in a car with no cup holders?

[bb_hood]

We must have seen very different versions of that documentary, because what I saw made it pretty clear that McDonald's had a practice of serving coffee as much as 50 degrees hotter than other similar fast food chains (McDonald's coffee at the time could be as much as 190 degrees when it was handed to customers versus 140 degrees elsewhere) and had hundreds of claims in the year leading up to the injury of this particular elderly woman, the woman was not driving at the time of the injury (she was a passenger in the vehicle) and was in fact simply removing the lid to add sugar and creamer when the contents spilled on her lap and caused massive third degree burns. The jury found her 20% liable and McDonald's 80% liable. So, yes, she wasn't blameless, but this clearly wasn't mostly or even within a reasonable degree "her own fault".

Yes, and if I remember correctly they originally sued just asking for the medical payments but McDonalds said no and then a jury awarded the 2 million in punitive damages which was later reduced.
Its not like she poured coffee on her lap then went asking for 2 million. She suffered some serious injuries.

[JSoup]

Edit: At the request of another user, removing post to aid in remaining on topic. Let's make a topic about the coffee thing if we want to discuss it more, it's actually a pretty interesting case.

So. Counterfeit CDs and shit.

[T2KFreeker]

Please go read the details of that case before you use it in an argument like this. Just a pet peeve of mine. Most people won't use this example once they know what happened and not just what they heard on the news.

There was more than one case as I am not talking about the elderly lady. I'm talking about the guy who tried to sue McDonalds for burning himself and then filed another lawsuit because the coffee wasn't hot enough, thank you very much. I knew exactly what I was talking about. You obviously don't. I worked at McDonald's when all this happened. The elderly Lady sued and there were a ton of copycats as is normal for this kind of case. This one stood out because he had the audacity to try and sue when they made the coffee cooler because it wasn't hot enough.

Now back to the "Counterfeit CD's" being sold at GDG. I noticed that Nintega hasn't piped in of late. I wonder...

[ccovell]

I noticed that Nintega hasn't piped in of late. I wonder...

Perhaps the mention of McDonald's distracted him with larger fish to fry (with self-righteous litigation).

[JSoup]

Perhaps the mention of McDonald's distracted him with larger fish to fry (with self-righteous litigation).

I read that wrong and thought you were implying he went to get a McDonald's fish sandwich.
Which I now want. :/

[SparTonberry]

I wouldn't mind a McFish sandwich if the non-Lent price didn't suck.

[Damaramu]

blah blah blah

Oh hey! I had forgotten about some of the games for sale at the GDG site! In fact, I see a few I'd like to order! Thanks for the reminder, motherfucker! :)

[BlastProcessing402]

Please go read the details of that case before you use it in an argument like this. Just a pet peeve of mine. Most people won't use this example once they know what happened and not just what they heard on the news.

People saying that is a pet peeve of mine. I know the details, I don't care, she spilled it herself, it was her fault, I don't care how hot it was, I don't care if it was as hot as the sun. Sorry, had to get that out.

[Tanooki]

Ninsega get banned? Dude was in serious need of a ball gag. I just warned them over at NA where he tried to start polluting an old thread about GDG and a mod popped up saying what did I miss. He's been made aware of this thread and that dimwit liar.

Perhaps they cut the power to his bunker out in the middle of nowhere, which is probably a good thing since both his bunker and the general store were clearly out of large supplies of tin foil.

[JSoup]

He doesn't appear to be banned....

[profholt82]

Banned or not, he shouldn't have been allowed to libel a company with 5 pages of misinformation.

[o.pwuaioc]

Ninsega get banned? Dude was in serious need of a ball gag. I just warned them over at NA where he tried to start polluting an old thread about GDG and a mod popped up saying what did I miss. He's been made aware of this thread and that dimwit liar.

Perhaps they cut the power to his bunker out in the middle of nowhere, which is probably a good thing since both his bunker and the general store were clearly out of large supplies of tin foil.

He's pulling shit still over at Sega-16.

[T2KFreeker]

Ninsega get banned? Dude was in serious need of a ball gag. I just warned them over at NA where he tried to start polluting an old thread about GDG and a mod popped up saying what did I miss. He's been made aware of this thread and that dimwit liar.

Perhaps they cut the power to his bunker out in the middle of nowhere, which is probably a good thing since both his bunker and the general store were clearly out of large supplies of tin foil.

His Mommy grounded him from the family PC. it appears that he hasn't kept the basement where he lives clean.

[Words iManifest]

There rings truth to the sentiment that bad publicity is better than good as it reaches more people...but as I stated earlier, GDG has been nothing but a positive experience for me in the few years I have been making purchases from them. Really not too hard to read though this thread or any of the others this troll made on other forums and realize who's crazy in this instance as well, if anything he's made me want to go buy more stuff from Good Deal Games than I have budgeted to, just to show my support.

[o.pwuaioc]

There rings truth to the sentiment that bad publicity is better than good as it reaches more people...but as I stated earlier, GDG has been nothing but a positive experience for me in the few years I have been making purchases from them. Really not too hard to read though this thread or any of the others this troll made on other forums and realize who's crazy in this instance as well, if anything he's made me want to go buy more stuff from Good Deal Games than I have budgeted to, just to show my support.

Heck, I've never purchased a single game through GDG, but now that Ninsega made me aware of their existence, I may now do so! Thanks Ninsega!

[ApolloBoy]

I've got a couple of 5200 repros from GDG, they're of really nice quality actually. May have to get a few more after this...

[Trebuken]

I believe I met a gentleman from GDG at a game show in Columbus OH last year.

Bought a couple of things, seemed like a nice guy. He seemed to have plans for other shows as well; with his wife doing the booking...maybe he's still doing so...keep an eye out.

[lacedmushroom]

Shady 😠

[Tanooki]

His Mommy grounded him from the family PC. it appears that he hasn't kept the basement where he lives clean.

Yeah the family pet got caught in a sticky mess and he got his private time taken away. :D


All I can say for GDG is that they're clearly the opposite of what that clown said from all appearances, and if they actually sold something I'd be able to use I'd buy it just to support them and piss that liar off too.

[o.pwuaioc]

Maybe his mom caught him downloading illegal ROMs (http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?27445-Wanted-ISO-of-North-American-version-of-Racing-Days-for-Apple-Bandai-Pippin)...

(via Michael Helgeson at Sega-16)

[synbiosfan]

Maybe his mom caught him downloading illegal ROMs (http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?27445-Wanted-ISO-of-North-American-version-of-Racing-Days-for-Apple-Bandai-Pippin)...

(via Michael Helgeson at Sega-16)

That thread combined with his current antics just got him banned from Sega-16\\^_^/

[T2KFreeker]

That thread combined with his current antics just got him banned from Sega-16\\^_^/

Nice, now we just need him banned from here too so we don't have to worry about that crap here too.

[Tanooki]

Yeah no doubt. I'm kind of surprised it took ISO/ROM begging to get him popped so I'm going to assume the mods there are masochists who love stubborn lying retards for sport.

[Leo_A]

Nice, now we just need him banned from here too so we don't have to worry about that crap here too.

I would hope he voluntarily won't be returning (At least under that username, I assume he's the type that will slink back under a new alias when the mood strikes).

But just out of principle, I think his account should be banned.

[synbiosfan]

Yeah no doubt. I'm kind of surprised it took ISO/ROM begging to get him popped so I'm going to assume the mods there are masochists who love stubborn lying retards for sport.

Melf is a member here too so you might be right about the masochist part ROFL

[PC-ENGINE HELL]

If the worthless scrub is who I think it may be, then I am sure they will reroll in another account soon on all these forums. But yeah, I thought it was pretty funny he was begging for free iso stuff and yet having a hissy fit about piracy that seems to span multiple forums. I couldn't help but point out that hypocrisy on Sega16 and see him sent on his way.

[Jorpho]

Wow. What a great thread!

...At the risk of sounding absolutely daft, wouldn't the likes of Johnny Mnemonic, Smurfs, and Time Cop be produced under a limited license from whoever holds the rights to the original properties? Kinda like how Capcom can't sell Tatsunko vs Capcom (http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/08/capcom-cant-sell-tatsunoko-vs-capcom-ultimate-all-stars-any-more/) anymore, or how we'll probably never see the old Legend Entertainment catalog (Shannara, Xanth, The Wheel of Time, and so on) up for sale anywhere? Of course, on the other hand it looks like folks are still selling The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena.

p.s. i heard there was a site called the pirate lake or something which has a whole bunch of games up for download illegally! :help:

[Tanooki]

Probably are a limited license so in the end to re-use such a game you would have the attempt to re-license the IP the game was created around, or you hack the game and remove any wording or visualization that can be tied back to the IP(movie) and make it into a new but not new game with the same elements but modified sprites, audio if necessary and background visuals. Kind of like how Doki Doki Panic got turned into SMB2 for us in a loose sense. Bye Bye Fuji TV stuff, hello Mario and friends.

[dra600n]

I do not have an account with Sega Age or Sony Online, but if anyone does and has the time, I would appreciate if you pointed to this Atari Age thread and mention that the accusations are false and that scans of some of the contracts are now online.

Here are the links to the other board topics:

http://community.everybodydancegame.com/t5/PSN-Support/Counterfeit-copies-of-Sony-Imagesoft-SCE-games-are-being-sold/m-p/21223317

http://segaage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=21&catid=42&threadid=81364

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?27482-Could-somebody-please-tell-me-what-the-deal-is-with-Good-Deal-Games&p=659129#post659129

I have signed up at Sega16 and am awaiting approval to be able to post a reply.
I set up an account on the Sony website, but keep getting a technical response that the board is having technical difficulties.

In response the question: I do not know who he is, but I think that it may be in his best interest to contact me directly via e-mail.

I posted this on SegaAge for you. I feel bad that you have to deal with idiots like this person, but I'm glad to see it's not discouraging you and your team or really causing anything more than just a small headache.

[videogametrader]

I posted this on SegaAge for you. I feel bad that you have to deal with idiots like this person, but I'm glad to see it's not discouraging you and your team or really causing anything more than just a small headache.

So, i believe this person purchased Burning Fists from our Amazon store and is now calling Amazon and trying to get us banned for selling illegal copies. It's got to be the same guy. I have his name and address and am really thinking about posting his info. Just got to check with the Lawyer first.

Tom

[Tanooki]

Wow you know what, neuter him! This has crossed from mindless immature internet attacks in messageboards to attempting damaging actual business which crosses into annoying into legal issues. I hope you can take him down so bad he won't think of doing it again.

[J2games]

This came to my attention today when this gentleman decided to file a complaint with one of our online vendors over our sale of Burning Fists: Force Striker. I can assure all of you, when GoodDealGames and myself published Burning Fists: Force Striker, we not only have the ability to do so, but I paid a substantial amount of money for that privilege. I am the sole owner of the original prototypes of both Burning Fists and Force Striker and they remain safely in my private collection.

If anyone has any questions, you can refer them to myself or to Michael at GoodDealGames.

Sadly, people want to raise issues over a 20+ year old game instead of enjoying the fact that home brewers and small companies like ourselves are purely looking to contribute to the platforms we most fondly remember.

[7th lutz]

Ninsega also has been doing the same stuff on Atariage, but by using his using update status message before taking it down. The thing is he hasn't created a topic yet on the forums yet.

[Leo_A]

I can assure all of you, when GoodDealGames and myself published Burning Fists: Force Striker, we not only have the ability to do so, but I paid a substantial amount of money for that privilege. I am the sole owner of the original prototypes of both Burning Fists and Force Striker and they remain safely in my private collection.

You might wish to clarify this since owning a prototype obviously isn't a check mate where legality to do this is concerned. You'd still need to secure permission to commercially take advantage of it from the IP holder (Which I'm sure you're aware of and have done).

Some could interpret what I've quoted from you as you saying that you can do what you want with it just because you own the physical prototypes. I rather doubt that's what you intended.

[YoshiM]

I'm floored by this person's tenacity on this. This had gone beyond the John Gabriel Internet F-Wad theory of just talking smack. To actually go through with this attack would require motivation or else we would have seem this person lurking about before.


A mystery that will go unsolved methinks.

[Jorpho]

Probably are a limited license so in the end to re-use such a game you would have the attempt to re-license the IP the game was created aroundWell, yes, that's kind of my point – it seems to me one might not easily be able to keep legally publishing a game developed twenty years ago based on a movie that was out at the time.


EDIT: I have an ulterior motive for my so-called "trolling". I go from one extreme to another to make a wanted change. In due time my friends, we might get a positive out of this.The positives! THE POSITIVES, friends! Friends!

[Kitsune Sniper]

How fucking sad do you have to be to do this kind of shit?

[T2KFreeker]

Obviously you guys haven't seen enough of the crap that Nintega is notorious for. There is a reason he was banned from PCEngineFX.com. Believe me too, it's hard to get banned there. Like said above, this troll has the audacity to pull this after asking for iso's of games over at Sega16 leading to him getting the Ban Hammer there too. Dude's a douchebag. People like him do this stuff just because they want to be the center of attention, good or bad it doesn't matter.

[videogametrader]

Obviously you guys haven't seen enough of the crap that Nintega is notorious for. There is a reason he was banned from PCEngineFX.com. Believe me too, it's hard to get banned there. Like said above, this troll has the audacity to pull this after asking for iso's of games over at Sega16 leading to him getting the Ban Hammer there too. Dude's a douchebag. People like him do this stuff just because they want to be the center of attention, good or bad it doesn't matter.

Received an email from Amazon today stating that they have delisted the Burning Fists Force Striker game from Amazon. They state:

We took this action because we have received customer complaints about these listings.

Our policies state that all items offered for sale on Amazon.com must be authentic. Any item that has been illegally replicated, reproduced, or manufactured is prohibited. For more information on this policy, search on "Prohibited Content" in seller Help.

We want to call your attention to this policy because violations may result in the permanent removal of your Amazon.com selling privileges.

While we are unable to provide information about specific orders that are reported to us, reviewing your inventory may help you identify any issues with these listings.

I only have 2 copies of Force Striker in stock, so its not worth the time and effort to fight. But if this person leaves us feedback stating we are selling fake items i just may ask the Lawyer to send him a letter.

[portnoyd]

Well this thread is certainly a gong show.

Dear looney tunes new type person, can you

a)adjust your hatin' towards GDG for Thomasson claiming to have the world's biggest game collection when there are a double digit number people here who, when they hear someone say who has the biggest collection in the world, they point at themselves and go 'You mean me?'.

b)realign your outrage at RetroZone, to a guy who really doesn't have any of the rights to anything he sells. Don't worry, he'll show up and be smug and try and defend himself, but there is really no defense and in a court of law, smugness gets you nowhere and years of recorded sales does. Hell, one of the copyright holders he ripped off is a member here.

c)please, continue your lovely derp. And remember, post at D-I-G-I-T-A-L P-R-E-S-S AND NOT V-B-E-N-D-E-R. Not like you'd last three minutes there anyway.


I have his name and address and am really thinking about posting his info. Just got to check with the Lawyer first.

You really need to check with a lawyer? Really? Let me put on my lawyer hat.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15347671/hat.jpg

HOW ABOUT NO

[PapaStu]

Well this thread is certainly a gong show.


You really need to check with a lawyer? Really? Let me put on my lawyer hat.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15347671/hat.jpg

HOW ABOUT NO

Oh god <3

[Mayhem]

And after all that... is he actually banned from here (please?!) or just stopped posting?

[Tanooki]

b)realign your outrage at RetroZone, to a guy who really doesn't have any of the rights to anything he sells. Don't worry, he'll show up and be smug and try and defend himself, but there is really no defense and in a court of law, smugness gets you nowhere and years of recorded sales does. Hell, one of the copyright holders he ripped off is a member here.


I've been a member over at NA for basically 4 years now and I've gotten to see enough of bunnyboy over there to see how he operates. Could you tell me a bit more about this as I'm curious who he stomped on that is a member here. I know he has been peddling illegal stuff for years with all those Vs system games, DK Original Edition, Gradius II and Kid Dracula (the last 3 I own second hand.) It always surprised me this stuff could be sold, but hypocrisy be damned dare to make a clone of a US game or label and it's armageddon over there because no one could ever have honest intentions with that, just stuff that isn't US market materials. ;)

[Az]

This came to my attention today when this gentleman decided to file a complaint with one of our online vendors over our sale of Burning Fists: Force Striker. I can assure all of you, when GoodDealGames and myself published Burning Fists: Force Striker, we not only have the ability to do so, but I paid a substantial amount of money for that privilege. I am the sole owner of the original prototypes of both Burning Fists and Force Striker and they remain safely in my private collection.

Another fact that seems lost is that the version of Burning Fists: Force Striker being sold has had some major improvements done over the initial prototypes so that it could actually be made playable. That alone is a testament to giving back to the community a playable version of a game would never have existed otherwise.

That game was something I was looking forward to for years and I am sincerely grateful it was not only released, but improved upon so we could see something closer to the final product that even the original developers experienced.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Kid Dracula

...

Please tell me he didn't put my translation on a cart.

For fuck's sake.

[videogametrader]

So it looks like he just opened an A-Z claim on Amazon.

If Amazon grants the claim i am going to be really pissed and might just take him to court. It wont cost me much but a filing fee and a day off work. I found him on facebook and have his address. He lives up north so i don't see him making the trip to court in GA. Plus he would have to have some kind of proof that the item was illegal.

Then after i get a default judgement because he doesn't show up i can then put a lien on any property he owns (hopefully he owns a house) this way he can't sell unless I get whatever I get a judgement for (which will be the cost of the game and whatever amount it costs me to actually do the work, time off work etc).

Its nice being married to a Paralegal who knows all this shit and works for a boss that loves to help :)