Counterfeit Sega CD games being sold on eBay and distributed by some shady website.

[NinSEGA]

This website called GoodDealGames.com (http://gooddealgames.com/inventory/Sega%20CD.html) is selling bootlegs of Sega CD games and they are making their way to eBay. That site is acting as the distributor for them, no doubt.

Some eBay listings of the boots-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261449007473?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251504076767?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151257367500?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649


Gotta love the disclaimers left on those toilet paper notes. "Not affiliated with or endorsed by Sega Enterprises or Sony Computer Entertainment."


Here is an example of what a legit game is supposed to look like-
http://i57.tinypic.com/fz0jd5.jpg

Compare it to the very close-looking bootleg-
http://i58.tinypic.com/2v0mmnb.jpg

I mean, you almost can't tell the difference! It's so good, ain't it? Makes me wonder how eBay lets these listings linger on after they've been reported ad infinitum. Oh right, because they get a cut of the sale price.

[SparTonberry]

The others are unreleased games, but I thought GDG had licensed the right to print betas as aftermarket releases.
(Battle Frenzy was released in PAL, and that is the "legit" version you link to. But the NTSC version was canceled.)

[Gameguy]

The others are unreleased games, but I thought GDG had licensed the right to print betas as aftermarket releases.
(Battle Frenzy was released in PAL, and that is the "legit" version you link to. But the NTSC version was canceled.)
You just beat me to it. The game officially came out in Europe as a PAL release in 1994, it was released for North America in NTSC format in 2004. I'm pretty sure they have the correct licensing to distribute the game in North America.

[NinSEGA]

The others are unreleased games, but I thought GDG had licensed the right to print betas as aftermarket releases.

If you have the rights to something, you don't completely excuse the companies that gave you the rights.

[NinSEGA]

You just beat me to it. The game officially came out in Europe as a PAL release in 1994, it was released for North America in NTSC format in 2004. I'm pretty sure they have the correct licensing to distribute the game in North America.

Correct licensing my ass. They are selling boots all over the place.

http://www.gooddealgames.com/inventory/Nintendo%20NES.html

EarthBound and Final Fantasy II for NES? Thank god they are sold out! Don't want any of those Nintendo lawyers cracking down on stuff still being sold!

[Melf]

Wow, you just found out about GDC now? It's been around for over a decade.

[NinSEGA]

Wow, you just found out about GDC now? It's been around for over a decade.

Yes. I was looking for something and their ebay account (which, by the way, has practically 0 feedback for selling stuff) happened to somehow show up. Then I did some research. Pretty damn shady.

[Melf]

I don't know about the repro sales, but I believe they genuinely get the licenses to the unreleased CD titles they sell. At least, that's what Thomasson told me when I interviewed him back in 2004. If this has changed since then, I don't know.

[T2KFreeker]

I know for a fact that they have the rights to distribute Battle Frenzy as well as Burning Fists and Marko. I saw the information before we did reviews for the games in Classic Video Gamer Magazine. They also own the rights to Mighty mighty Missile, which is a homebrewed version of Chu Chu Rocket for Sega CD, so they are not Bootlegs. I can't speak for any of the other games they have on their site other than the two 3DO packs that they sell as well which they also have the license for as well. Repros and such, dunno' what to say there man.

[NinSEGA]

I know for a fact that they have the rights to distribute Battle Frenzy as well as Burning Fists and Marko. I saw the information before we did reviews for the games in Classic Video Gamer Magazine. They also own the rights to Mighty mighty Missile, which is a homebrewed version of Chu Chu Rocket for Sega CD, so they are not Bootlegs. I can't speak for any of the other games they have on their site other than the two 3DO packs that they sell as well which they also have the license for as well. Repros and such, dunno' what to say there man.

Sure they do, hence why they aren't affiliated or endorsed by those companies. :ass:

[Bojay1997]

Sure they do, hence why they aren't affiliated or endorsed by those companies. :ass:

I think you don't the understand basic principles of licensing. You don't have to be affiliated with or endorsed by a company to sell software for that company's hardware. Indeed, the individual publishers that these games were licensed from hold the required rights. You're very close to engaging in libel and tortious interference with business, so I would suggest you refrain from posting further unless you have proof that the games weren't properly licensed as Good Deal Games has represented.

[NinSEGA]

I think you don't the understand basic principles of licensing. You don't have to be affiliated with or endorsed by a company to sell software for that company's hardware. Indeed, the individual publishers that these games were licensed from hold the required rights. You're very close to engaging in libel and tortious interference with business, so I would suggest you refrain from posting further unless you have proof that the games weren't properly licensed as Good Deal Games has represented.

I do have proof. They are selling bootlegs on their site with the discs simply being burned CD-Rs. It's only common sense.

[YoshiM]

I do have proof. They are selling bootlegs on their site with the discs simply being burned CD-Rs. It's only common sense.

Ok.....let me get this straight, because they are burned CD-R's that makes them "bootlegs"? But if they ponied up the dough to have the discs factory pressed, would that make it ok with you?

In the case of those Sega CD (and other) games, they are most certainly NOT bootlegs. GDG got the rights to distribute reproduce and distribute those games. For a long time now. Unless you just got into classic gaming-this is common knowledge.

Now if you call out GDG for making bootlegs of those Sega CD games-you better have, oh say one of the original developers in your back pocket stating the license is null and void because being burned on discs doesn't a bootleg make. That's the only way they can distribute the games. Unless you have a Sega CD that magically downloads over the web.

As for the Earthbound and other games, that's a different story. Those are ROM hacks of games never released in the US or titles (like California Raisins) that are prototypes that never got released. Kind of a grey area though personally I see it as buying a cartridge and paying for the service of putting the ROM I can download onto a cartridge I can play on real hardware. Am I playing with the semantics, sure but if you're going to climb up on a high horse you better start nailing Nintendo Age members for releasing protos (like the wonderful Time Diver:Eon Man), or Atari Age for hacks of copyrighted games (like some of the Pac-Man titles....where are Namco's lawyers! Can I get a harumph?)

As for those ebay links-only one says they got the rights from GDG the other two are just selling the games they bought. Like we do. I bet they sell pack in games that say "not to be resold". Ooooo! Exposed!

Ahem

In closing, GDG is good peoples, the stuff they sell they have licenses for are legit and the other stuff is really no different than anywhere else. Any collector worth their salt knows there was no Earthbound or Final Fantasy II on the NES in the US. Call us when they start selling gold cart The Legend of Zelda games. Then you'd be right.

[YoshiM]

And a member since 6:10 today.....who are you again and why should we take your word over people many of us old timers know (some personally)?

[NinSEGA]

Ok.....let me get this straight, because they are burned CD-R's that makes them "bootlegs"? But if they ponied up the dough to have the discs factory pressed, would that make it ok with you?
That's right. I'm sure that would alleviate their problems of having these discs not being 100% compatible with the systems they claim (http://z11.invisionfree.com/GoodDealGames/index.php?showtopic=79&hl=).



In the case of those Sega CD (and other) games, they are most certainly NOT bootlegs. GDG got the rights to distribute reproduce and distribute those games. For a long time now. Unless you just got into classic gaming-this is common knowledge.
Ah yes, 'they got the rights'. A statement that is constantly stated but with no proof. All I see is proof of these titles not being affiliated or endorsed by the original publishers and IP owners. And zero mention of trademarks and copyrights on the packaging that an official release of ANYTHING would have.



Now if you call out GDG for making bootlegs of those Sega CD games-you better have, oh say one of the original developers in your back pocket stating the license is null and void because being burned on discs doesn't a bootleg make. That's the only way they can distribute the games. Unless you have a Sega CD that magically downloads over the web.
I don't have any of these developers in my back pocket. What I do have is the companies who own the rights to these games telling me that these are unauthorized reproductions. And by telling, I mean speaking to me during actual phone calls that I have made to them inquiring about these games.



As for the Earthbound and other games, that's a different story. Those are ROM hacks of games never released in the US or titles (like California Raisins) that are prototypes that never got released. Kind of a grey area though personally I see it as buying a cartridge and paying for the service of putting the ROM I can download onto a cartridge I can play on real hardware. Am I playing with the semantics, sure but if you're going to climb up on a high horse you better start nailing Nintendo Age members for releasing protos (like the wonderful Time Diver:Eon Man), or Atari Age for hacks of copyrighted games (like some of the Pac-Man titles....where are Namco's lawyers! Can I get a harumph?)
Still illegal. There is no grey area on this.



As for those ebay links-only one says they got the rights from GDG the other two are just selling the games they bought. Like we do. I bet they sell pack in games that say "not to be resold". Ooooo! Exposed!
Whether the person is innocent or not, unauthorized backups/copies/etc. are banned from being listed on eBay and should be reported accordingly.




In closing, GDG is good peoples, the stuff they sell they have licenses for are legit and the other stuff is really no different than anywhere else. Any collector worth their salt knows there was no Earthbound or Final Fantasy II on the NES in the US. Call us when they start selling gold cart The Legend of Zelda games. Then you'd be right.
'Good' is relative. Selling unauthorized copyrighted works and profiting off of them seems pretty shady, in my opinion.

[Natty Bumppo]

I do have proof. They are selling bootlegs on their site with the discs simply being burned CD-Rs. It's only common sense.

There is nothing about a cd-r that perforce makes it a bootleg.

Amazon (itself - not the sellers) sells dvd-r's from the major studio archives - cut on demand.

http://www.amazon.com/Steel-Lady-Rod-Cameron/dp/B005E7SFHE/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1397793248&sr=1-1&keywords=steel+lady

To confirm it from another site (TCM):

http://shop.tcm.com/detail.php?p=363276&SESSID=f8b2925175787bc2fa4ef3edad9ce98d

(They use the term DVD (MOD) instead of DVD-R.

You can check other sites (sometimes they are devious about the fact that this (and other movies) are DVD-R) and they are all DVD-R.
As far I can tell the only legit release for many of these archive release films are on DVD-R.

[NinSEGA]

There is nothing about a cd-r that perforce makes it a bootleg.

Amazon (itself - not the sellers) sells dvd-r's from the major studio archives - cut on demand.

http://www.amazon.com/Steel-Lady-Rod-Cameron/dp/B005E7SFHE/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1397793248&sr=1-1&keywords=steel+lady

To confirm it from another site (TCM):

http://shop.tcm.com/detail.php?p=363276&SESSID=f8b2925175787bc2fa4ef3edad9ce98d

(They use the term DVD (MOD) instead of DVD-R.

You can check other sites (sometimes they are devious about the fact that this (and other movies) are DVD-R) and they are all DVD-R.
As far I can tell the only legit release for many of these archive release films are on DVD-R.

Officially licensed and no-doubt listing the copyright/trademark information on the packaging; something GoodDealGames completely lacks.

[Natty Bumppo]

Officially licensed and no-doubt listing the copyright/trademark information on the packaging; something GoodDealGames completely lacks.

You missed the point - you stated that it was common sense that they were bootlegs because they were cd-r's.

(And you need to remember that just because something says licensed (or doesn't) doesn't mean it is (or isn't) - just as easy for a bootlegger to stamp that on a disc as not. )

I have an extremely rare cd (a whopping 1000 copies made) by Edgar Froese of the original recording of the album "Macula Transfer" - it was bootlegged as a lookalike that actually has clearer printing on the artwork (which is how you actually tell the difference) They both have the same information on them - one is legit and one is not.)

[bust3dstr8]

Smells like another shitty Nintega troll from a mile away.

[NinSEGA]

This is going to be a constant back-and-forth I see, so I'm just going to leave one last post for this thread and let people make their own judgement.

Some facts about this situation:

*These are not authorized by the original publishing/trademark/copyright/IP rights holders- statements made to me personally during phone calls that I have made inquiring about them. I also supplied the companies with necessary information that they asked for, such as the Good Deal Games' URL address.

*The packaging of these completely lack what would make them official, such as listing the proper copyright and trademark information.

*These are not 100% guaranteed to work on the systems that they claim to work on due to the fact that they are burned to CD-Rs rather than being factory-pressed discs based off of the proprietary pressing methods of the original manufacturing plants.

*Statements on the packaging of these games state that these releases are not endorsed or affiliated with the companies that own the IP/trademark/copyright/etc. rights.

*There are several white knights on this forum insisting that Good Deal Games have the licenses to produce these copies, but provide no form of proof whatsoever.


I will not post anymore in this thread.

[Bojay1997]

This is going to be a constant back-and-forth I see, so I'm just going to leave one last post for this thread and let people make their own judgement.

Some facts about this situation:

*These are not authorized by the original publishing/trademark/copyright/IP rights holders- statements made to me personally during phone calls that I have made inquiring about them. I also supplied the companies with necessary information that they asked for, such as the Good Deal Games' URL address.

What companies did you specifically speak to regarding these games? In the case of Battle Frenzy for example, the two companies in questions that held the rights, Acclaim and Domark have both since folded and the IP was purchased by successor companies. Acclaim's rights are primarily held by a Canadian mobile game developer and Domark's rights are owned by Square-Enix as part of the Eidos acquisition. Sega never owned any rights to this game as far as I can tell.

*The packaging of these completely lack what would make them official, such as listing the proper copyright and trademark information.

There is no legal requirement that copyright or trademark information appear on any packaging. While this requirement is often built into licensing deals, it certainly is not mandatory that it be included.

*These are not 100% guaranteed to work on the systems that they claim to work on due to the fact that they are burned to CD-Rs rather than being factory-pressed discs based off of the proprietary pressing methods of the original manufacturing plants.

There are new Sega Dreamcast games being released legally on a fairly regular basis that are not 100% guaranteed to work with the original hardware, are contained on CD-Rs and which require booting using an external device or boot disc. Nothing unusual or illegal about this.

*Statements on the packaging of these games state that these releases are not endorsed or affiliated with the companies that own the IP/trademark/copyright/etc. rights.

As I noted above, there is nothing requiring someone licensing rights to credit the original rights holders. In some cases, the original rights holders would prefer not to be associated with a product because they don't want to be responsible for any customer service or warranty issues.

*There are several white knights on this forum insisting that Good Deal Games have the licenses to produce these copies, but provide no form of proof whatsoever.

You're the one that came on here making the claims. You're the one who hasn't provided a single shred of proof other than ill-informed speculation by someone who obviously has no legal background.

I will not post anymore in this thread.

Great. Hopefully a mod will lock and delete the whole thing as your contribution here was completely worthless.

[Gameguy]

There's one website online that makes it seem like it's not a valid release, just one.

http://segaretro.org/Bloodshot


The Sega Mega-CD version was also exclusive to Europe until 2003, when a North American version under the Battle Frenzy name was released. This version was developed and published by Good Deal Games without the consent of Domark or Acclaim.

That whole "without consent of Domark or Acclaim" part. Only Acclaim doesn't matter as it's just another publisher, any rights they had are probably expired and it could have just been limited to Europe or another region. Domark was the developer so that is a bit curious, but that doesn't mean that they still owned the rights to the game anyway, they could have sold it off to someone else. Domark isn't even around anymore, they were bought out by another company. Who knows who NinSEGA spoke with on the phone, how do we know it was even someone who knows any real details about the game? It's some ancient old forgotten game from the early 90's, why would this be on top of everyone's mind at whatever company he called. Did he speak with the president or some low level employee?

Or the website got the information wrong and posted incorrect content.

[YoshiM]

This is going to be a constant back-and-forth I see, so I'm just going to leave one last post for this thread and let people make their own judgement.

Some facts about this situation:

*These are not authorized by the original publishing/trademark/copyright/IP rights holders- statements made to me personally during phone calls that I have made inquiring about them. I also supplied the companies with necessary information that they asked for, such as the Good Deal Games' URL address.

What companies did you specifically speak to regarding these games? In the case of Battle Frenzy for example, the two companies in questions that held the rights, Acclaim and Domark have both since folded and the IP was purchased by successor companies. Acclaim's rights are primarily held by a Canadian mobile game developer and Domark's rights are owned by Square-Enix as part of the Eidos acquisition. Sega never owned any rights to this game as far as I can tell.

*The packaging of these completely lack what would make them official, such as listing the proper copyright and trademark information.

There is no legal requirement that copyright or trademark information appear on any packaging. While this requirement is often built into licensing deals, it certainly is not mandatory that it be included.

*These are not 100% guaranteed to work on the systems that they claim to work on due to the fact that they are burned to CD-Rs rather than being factory-pressed discs based off of the proprietary pressing methods of the original manufacturing plants.

There are new Sega Dreamcast games being released legally on a fairly regular basis that are not 100% guaranteed to work with the original hardware, are contained on CD-Rs and which require booting using an external device or boot disc. Nothing unusual or illegal about this.

*Statements on the packaging of these games state that these releases are not endorsed or affiliated with the companies that own the IP/trademark/copyright/etc. rights.

As I noted above, there is nothing requiring someone licensing rights to credit the original rights holders. In some cases, the original rights holders would prefer not to be associated with a product because they don't want to be responsible for any customer service or warranty issues.

*There are several white knights on this forum insisting that Good Deal Games have the licenses to produce these copies, but provide no form of proof whatsoever.

You're the one that came on here making the claims. You're the one who hasn't provided a single shred of proof other than ill-informed speculation by someone who obviously has no legal background.

I will not post anymore in this thread.

Great. Hopefully a mod will lock and delete the whole thing as your contribution here was completely worthless.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

[T2KFreeker]

Sure they do, hence why they aren't affiliated or endorsed by those companies. :ass:

I really don't appreciate the implication that I just pulled that out of my ass and assaulted my integrity all at the same time. I understand your passion as a gamer, but yeah, just running around and making blatant accusations like this without one shred of proof when myself and several other users here have seen proof that the Sega CD games are indeed legit really makes you look bad. Just because a game is on a CD-R does not make it a bootleg, obviously. Especially since there are many bootlegs of games that are on pressed CD's as it is. I'd tread lightly if I were you.

[Words iManifest]

I'm not here to argue the semantics but I'd just like to say that I have been buying from GDG for quite a few years and their service is always fast, personal, polite and honest. That's all from me.

[mailman187666]

Has anyone played Battle Frenzy? it actually sounds kinda good. I wouldn't mind picking one up. Seems like its only $25 on GDG website.

[o.pwuaioc]

I really don't appreciate the implication that I just pulled that out of my ass and assaulted my integrity all at the same time. I understand your passion as a gamer, but yeah, just running around and making blatant accusations like this without one shred of proof when myself and several other users here have seen proof that the Sega CD games are indeed legit really makes you look bad. Just because a game is on a CD-R does not make it a bootleg, obviously. Especially since there are many bootlegs of games that are on pressed CD's as it is. I'd tread lightly if I were you.

Ninsega is pretty much a troll, or at least he often acts like one over at Sega-16. I mean, anyone who lists their occupation as "being a dick" isn't going to be receptive to correction.

[Bojay1997]

Ninsega is pretty much a troll, or at least he often acts like one over at Sega-16. I mean, anyone who lists their occupation as "being a dick" isn't going to be receptive to correction.

Yes, I see he started a similar thread earlier this week over there. He got shut down the same way he was here.

[T2KFreeker]

Ninsega is pretty much a troll, or at least he often acts like one over at Sega-16. I mean, anyone who lists their occupation as "being a dick" isn't going to be receptive to correction.
Oh, so this is indeed Nintenga then? Well, never mind the comment I made earlier then. Not worried about anything the dude says now as any credibility just flew out the window. I think it's time for the ignore feature.

[ggallegos1]

I'm surprised he decided to come out of the woodwork and ruffle feathers here. Must be getting lonely

[o.pwuaioc]

I'm surprised he decided to come out of the woodwork and ruffle feathers here. Must be getting lonely

Hey, it's you! Welcome to Digit-Press!

[T2KFreeker]

Has anyone played Battle Frenzy? it actually sounds kinda good. I wouldn't mind picking one up. Seems like its only $25 on GDG website.

Yeah, I reviewed Battle Frenzy for the now Defunct Classic Video gamer Magazine. It's not a bad fighter at all. Don't expect it to be the deepest engine ever made for a fighter, but there is fun to be had there. It get's pretty fun too if you have friends that will play the game with you also.

[mailman187666]

Yeah, I reviewed Battle Frenzy for the now Defunct Classic Video gamer Magazine. It's not a bad fighter at all. Don't expect it to be the deepest engine ever made for a fighter, but there is fun to be had there. It get's pretty fun too if you have friends that will play the game with you also.

I thought Battle Frenzy is a shooter? haha

[T2KFreeker]

I thought Battle Frenzy is a shooter? haha

Whoops, I was reading Burning Fists while typing Battle Frenzy...

Battle Frenzy was pretty cool too. It's surely a game of it's time. Very much made during the DOOM era. Run through levels and kill everything, gain the key and then get the Hell out of the level before it explodes. Many reviewers state that the game has no strafe, but that's not true, there is indeed a strafe function in the game. Not the best framerate in the world, but once you get used to it, the game can be fun. If you can find someone, you could also play the really fun co op part of the game too. Yes, two player split screen in a Sega CD FPS and done very well, I might add. It's worth a look for sure anyway.

[NinSEGA]

Hmm... looks to me like somebody had to take down some games owned by Sony Computer Entertainment.

[Bojay1997]

Hmm... looks to me like somebody had to take down some games owned by Sony Computer Entertainment.

And yet "Battle Frenzy", the very game that you alleged was unlicensed, is still for sale. How would you explain that discrepancy? Could it be that you were wrong about that one?

[T2KFreeker]

And yet "Battle Frenzy", the very game that you alleged was unlicensed, is still for sale. How would you explain that discrepancy? Could it be that you were wrong about that one?

Gee, so are the four I was talking about too! I wonder how he explains that one too. So, ninSEGA, which games were taken down because they were owned by Sony?

[Leo_A]

And yet "Battle Frenzy", the very game that you alleged was unlicensed, is still for sale. How would you explain that discrepancy? Could it be that you were wrong about that one?

But it's on a CD-R!

[T2KFreeker]

But it's on a CD-R!

LOL! Exactly.

[NinSEGA]

Gee, so are the four I was talking about too! I wonder how he explains that one too. So, ninSEGA, which games were taken down because they were owned by Sony?

The Exterminators (http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74579863) and Star Strike (http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74576253).


Not just the eBay listings for these, too. :)

[NinSEGA]

Ooh, looks like Time Cop, Johnny Mnemonic, and Smurfs are gone, too.

[T2KFreeker]

The Exterminators (http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74579863) and Star Strike (http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74576253).


Not just the eBay listings for these, too. :)

Hmm, well they are still listed on the site, just as "Sold Out" as they have been for some time, so what? You got "Sold Out" games taken off of ebay? So what?

[NinSEGA]

Hmm, well they are still listed on the site, just as "Sold Out" as they have been for some time, so what? You got "Sold Out" games taken off of ebay? So what?

The listings on GDG's website only started saying "SOLD OUT" as of today.

[T2KFreeker]

The listings on GDG's website only started saying "SOLD OUT" as of today.

I think you are a pirated user. I think I'll contact this sites administrator and have you listed as "Sold Out". LOL Still didn't get the games you were actually accusing them of Pirating removed. Yeah, I thought so.

[synbiosfan]

Wait until he discovers the Saturn's Lost & Found Volumes 1, 2 & 3 by oldergames. Not only is it a CD-r, you must have a modchipped Saturn to play them.

:popcorn:

[T2KFreeker]

Wait until he discovers the Saturn's Lost & Found Volumes 1, 2 & 3 by oldergames. Not only is it a CD-r, you must have a modchipped Saturn to play them.

:popcorn:

Oh Shucky Darns! :O

[Gameguy]

Just a personal preference, I would never buy any game on a CD-R or DVD-R. They just don't have the same lifespan as factory pressed discs. Especially when you have no way of knowing which manufacturer made the discs that a company decided to use for production. I'm sure they won't be using the best or most expensive ones available.

Still not saying these games are bootleg or illegal just because they're on CD-R.

[mailman187666]

The listings on GDG's website only started saying "SOLD OUT" as of today.

Actually, they said "sold out" on the Apr 18th as well. Thats when I checked the website to see which games I wanted to possibly pick up. I wouldn't have looked at the website, but thanks to your post, I will probably be spending some of my money on those illegal bootlegs. Thanks for showing these games to me.

[o.pwuaioc]

Actually, they said "sold out" on the Apr 18th as well. Thats when I checked the website to see which games I wanted to possibly pick up. I wouldn't have looked at the website, but thanks to your post, I will probably be spending some of my money on those illegal bootlegs. Thanks for showing these games to me.

http://i.minus.com/iBPNrMbLfxFNN.gif

[T2KFreeker]

Actually, they said "sold out" on the Apr 18th as well. Thats when I checked the website to see which games I wanted to possibly pick up. I wouldn't have looked at the website, but thanks to your post, I will probably be spending some of my money on those illegal bootlegs. Thanks for showing these games to me.
Like I said, they said "Sold Out" for quite some time. Thanks for backing me up on this because I was pretty sure I wasn't seeing things before. So basically, ninSEGA, you accomplished nothing? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[NinSEGA]

Actually, they said "sold out" on the Apr 18th as well. Thats when I checked the website to see which games I wanted to possibly pick up. I wouldn't have looked at the website, but thanks to your post, I will probably be spending some of my money on those illegal bootlegs. Thanks for showing these games to me.

That is false and you know it. They said $29.75 up until Monday morning, and I have the .pdf file to prove it. But of course, you guys will say anything to rile me up. The circle-jerking clowns who have a hand in this scheme will continue to rub each other's backs. People are allowed to believe what they want. The truth will come out eventually.



So basically, ninSEGA, you accomplished nothing? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Care to explain why Johnny Mnemonic, Time Cop, and The Smurfs were removed from the site? I'll enjoy the lie you pull out of your ass for that one. :)

[Leo_A]

Can't we ban this troll? All he's out to do is stir trouble.

[T2KFreeker]

That is false and you know it. They said $29.75 up until Monday morning, and I have the .pdf file to prove it. But of course, you guys will say anything to rile me up. The circle-jerking clowns who have a hand in this scheme will continue to rub each other's backs. People are allowed to believe what they want. The truth will come out eventually.




Care to explain why Johnny Mnemonic, Time Cop, and The Smurfs were removed from the site? I'll enjoy the lie you pull out of your ass for that one. :)

Yeah...I don't feel like playing The Billy Goat Gruff, Troll. However, I'll play Devil's Advocate for a moment. If what you point out is true, yeah then, they took down the entries for Johnny Mnemonic, Time Cop, and The Smurfs, but yet kept the listings up for Bug Blasters and Star Strike but put "Sold Out" under the listings? Either they had to take down Sony owned content or they didn't, which one is it, Man? Better get your story straight because maybe it's just coincidence? LOL

[Az]

It's like walking into a head shop and being shocked and appalled that the bongs they sell are used to smoke weed.

So a guy sells CD-Rs of SCD games that he either

A) Owns the rights to or
B) Owns the unreleased prototypes of

While there may be some surprise that they're on CD-Rs and not pressed CDs, nobody is surprised at the content. Those buying it are fully aware that the games are unreleased and would otherwise stay that way if not purchased through this route.

So if you're going to mess your britches over it you'd best avoid other sites dealing with emulation and torrents, and never, ever go to The Lost Levels or Assemblergames lest you die of fright.

[NinSEGA]

Yeah...I don't feel like playing The Billy Goat Gruff, Troll. However, I'll play Devil's Advocate for a moment. If what you point out is true, yeah then, they took down the entries for Johnny Mnemonic, Time Cop, and The Smurfs, but yet kept the listings up for Bug Blasters and Star Strike but put "Sold Out" under the listings? Either they had to take down Sony owned content or they didn't, which one is it, Man? Better get your story straight because maybe it's just coincidence? LOL

Because I have documentation showing that GoodDealGames actually got partial rights to those games (Bug Blasters and Star Strike) from Stargate Films, but obviously missing the rights from Sony Computer Entertainment. So the "SOLD OUT" listing is temporary until they get the full rights from Sony.


EDIT: I have an ulterior motive for my so-called "trolling". I go from one extreme to another to make a wanted change. In due time my friends, we might get a positive out of this.

[o.pwuaioc]

All we get out of this is that you're an asshole with a marked inability to interact normally with society.

[YoshiM]

Because I have documentation showing that GoodDealGames actually got partial rights to those games (Bug Blasters and Star Strike) from Stargate Films, but obviously missing the rights from Sony Computer Entertainment. So the "SOLD OUT" listing is temporary until they get the full rights from Sony.


Ok, if I'm not mistaken didn't you want proof of GDG having ownership? If you've got documents stating they only have partial rights, why not post it? Let's see the documents or email with all the trimmings (ie message headers with paths to the mail origins)? Since you're on a crusade to take down GDG, why not reveal "the truth" and let the blind see?




EDIT: I have an ulterior motive for my so-called "trolling". I go from one extreme to another to make a wanted change. In due time my friends, we might get a positive out of this.

And what is "the positive" that will come out of this? Sony no longer losing money they never would have gotten anyway as they never released the titles and most likely wouldn't anyway as the Sega CD is a dead product and virtual avenues like Wii U/x360/xone/ps3/ps4 markets would be fickle and not worth the expenditure.

That's who would truly "win out", as it were, even though Sony was never in the position for a "white knight" to come charging in to save the day on a long dead and forgotten product.

Oh, I did forget one thing: those who already own these games could possibly have their value increase. I've never seen the discs so I don't know how easy it would be to make bootlegs (of the "bootlegs" ahem...sorry, couldn't resist) but you never know.

The big loss is that people will no longer be able to play these unreleased games on original hardware save for those who already own it. Most of the classic gamer population probably does not want to download an ISO, get that bjt of software that gets the files set right and then burn a disc and hope it works on the original system.

And I have to know, what is it that you are getting out of this? Have you been doing this a while or did you decide GDG was going to be your first target for cleaning up the web of these filthy pirates? If the former, why haven't you been seen around these parts before? Digital Press has been around a LONG time, as have I on these boards (decade? More? It's all foggy) and I've never seen the likes of you or this one-person-army approach to go after a place like GDG. What's your stake in all this? And no I wouldn't buy the whole "concerned citizen" explanation. You've got an agenda and you've just appeared out of nowhere with your torch and pitch fork. Why?

[mailman187666]

Because I have documentation showing that GoodDealGames actually got partial rights to those games (Bug Blasters and Star Strike) from Stargate Films, but obviously missing the rights from Sony Computer Entertainment. So the "SOLD OUT" listing is temporary until they get the full rights from Sony.


EDIT: I have an ulterior motive for my so-called "trolling". I go from one extreme to another to make a wanted change. In due time my friends, we might get a positive out of this.

oh my god, who the eff cares. Its video games we're talking about here, it only affects you if you're buying the items and are unhappy with the item. People purchasing these things know what they are buying.

[T2KFreeker]

oh my god, who the eff cares. Its video games we're talking about here, it only affects you if you're buying the items and are unhappy with the item. People purchasing these things know what they are buying.
But, but, but if he get's these taken down, or completely get's GDG shut down, it makes him right. Obviously you guys have never had to deal with or seen much of Nintega's crap in the past. This is going to be the long haul on this one as he won't shut up about it and should he fixate on you, get ready to never have to hear the end of it. Target is right there on your back now. I'm still trying to figure out how he got past the guard dogs over at Atari Age after being banned. They are usually pretty good at keeping you out once you are a goner.

[Bojay1997]

Because I have documentation showing that GoodDealGames actually got partial rights to those games (Bug Blasters and Star Strike) from Stargate Films, but obviously missing the rights from Sony Computer Entertainment. So the "SOLD OUT" listing is temporary until they get the full rights from Sony.


EDIT: I have an ulterior motive for my so-called "trolling". I go from one extreme to another to make a wanted change. In due time my friends, we might get a positive out of this.

But I thought you claimed that GDG never did any licensing at all and that these were all bootlegs? Are you now retracting that statement and admitting that they did in fact have a licensing deal, although not with both rights holders? What about the game that prompted your ridiculous rant initially? Where is your proof that Battle Frenzy is unlicensed?

[T2KFreeker]

But I thought you claimed that GDG never did any licensing at all and that these were all bootlegs? Are you now retracting that statement and admitting that they did in fact have a licensing deal, although not with both rights holders? What about the game that prompted your ridiculous rant initially? Where is your proof that Battle Frenzy is unlicensed?

But it doesn't matter, don't you see? He made a stink and found something, which means he was right about everything all along, even if he was wrong about what he was first babbling on about. It's the way things work with him and always has. Sad really. LOL

[dendawg]

http://i.imgur.com/N8MaPzA.jpg

Fixed.

[JSoup]

Can't we ban this troll? All he's out to do is stir trouble.

Dealing with trolls is the only way we get any activity around here these days, I say let him run free for a bit.

[Michael Thomasson]

Okay, I usually ignore the "naysayers" but this person seems very aggressive and has been posting incorrect information in several places including Sega 16, Sega Age and the Sony website. I do not have accounts on those, but I can respond here. The GDG HH branded games are all released with the appropriate licensing when possible. The other games (such as the obvious NES repros) are games that we have purchased from others that we simply resell in very small quantities. I've attached the original Stargate Films contracts here, as I had them handy and in digital form already. Sony has no claims to these games, as they never paid Stargate a single penny and this was confirmed by our legal advisors at the time Jaeckle Fleischmann & Mugel, LLP.

[T2KFreeker]

Okay, I usually ignore the "naysayers" but this person seems very aggressive and has been posting incorrect information in several places including Sega 16, Sega Age and the Sony website. I do not have accounts on those, but I can respond here. The GDG HH branded games are all released with the appropriate licensing when possible. The other games (such as the obvious NES repros) are games that we have purchased from others that we simply resell in very small quantities. I've attached the original Stargate Films contracts here, as I had them handy and in digital form already. Sony has no claims to these games, as they never paid Stargate a single penny and this was confirmed by our legal advisors at the time Jaeckle Fleischmann & Mugel, LLP.

Well, well, well. Looks like the plot thickens. What have you to say now, ninSEGA? Be happy that the guys over at GDG don't sue your @ss for defamation of character. As of this point, anything you say is a load of BS. You don't know what you are talking about and never did, period. You are a liar and the kind of scum that this community doesn't need. There's the proof on Star Strike for sure, in Black and White. If I were you, I'd just tuck my tail between my legs and move on before you really step in it. Might want to tell that guy from Sony, er, Phony that you have been talking to that he's full of crap too. By the way, "Sold Out" doesn't mean that they took it down for you. It means that they are Sold Out. As Nicholson said, Go sell Crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

[eskobar]

Okay, I usually ignore the "naysayers" but this person seems very aggressive and has been posting incorrect information in several places including Sega 16, Sega Age and the Sony website. I do not have accounts on those, but I can respond here. The GDG HH branded games are all released with the appropriate licensing when possible. The other games (such as the obvious NES repros) are games that we have purchased from others that we simply resell in very small quantities. I've attached the original Stargate Films contracts here, as I had them handy and in digital form already. Sony has no claims to these games, as they never paid Stargate a single penny and this was confirmed by our legal advisors at the time Jaeckle Fleischmann & Mugel, LLP.

Thanks a lot for sharing this document, Michael; it's great to know that you have an account here and that you are posting proof that may confuse potential customers.

Every 5 years you have to renew the license ?.

Cheers

[YoshiM]

It sucks that you had to come out and show the proof, Michael, but it's something to put out the fires like this strangely motivated person is setting that could make future releases of similar titles even more difficult.


Do you have any insight as to why this joker is on a crusade against your company? It's strange this person targets yours.

[Michael Thomasson]

Yes, that is the initial contract. I had it handy, most of them are on paper and need to be scanned. I did find our initial contract for the 3DO games, as well, which I've attached. Most of our contracts are open-ended (no expiration date) as renewing is really just an unnecessary step with the small amount of sales that happen with these older games. I'll also note that no one at GDG has ever paid themselves. All income goes directly to fund the next project. We are a group of hobbyists and collectors and preservation is really our main interest of focus. Been doing this for over a decade and a half now.

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[Michael Thomasson]

I do not have an account with Sega Age or Sony Online, but if anyone does and has the time, I would appreciate if you pointed to this Atari Age thread and mention that the accusations are false and that scans of some of the contracts are now online.

Here are the links to the other board topics:

http://community.everybodydancegame.com/t5/PSN-Support/Counterfeit-copies-of-Sony-Imagesoft-SCE-games-are-being-sold/m-p/21223317

http://segaage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=21&catid=42&threadid=81364

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?27482-Could-somebody-please-tell-me-what-the-deal-is-with-Good-Deal-Games&p=659129#post659129

I have signed up at Sega16 and am awaiting approval to be able to post a reply.
I set up an account on the Sony website, but keep getting a technical response that the board is having technical difficulties.

In response the question: I do not know who he is, but I think that it may be in his best interest to contact me directly via e-mail.

[o.pwuaioc]

I already linked Sega-16 to this topic, but by all means, please join yourself too. It would give added weight. Not that anyone actually takes Ninsega seriously.

[Bardoly]

I have purchased games through Good Deal Games, and he communicated clearly and well with me. I recommend him to all.

[timemaster11]

The link to this thread is posted on Sega Age.

I boght my Smurfs at CGE and it was a good transaction with a nice bit of conversation.

[YoshiM]

Can't seem to post on sony's site but I am using a stupid Surface. If no one links there I'll do it tonight on a real computer.

[NinSEGA]

Care to explain why Sony owns the rights to these?

http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74579863

http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&qt=sno&reel=&frame=&sno=74576253


You also never supplied proof that allows you to make CD-Rs of the Domark titles which are currently property of Square Enix, as well as Burning Fists which is owned by Sega and Citizen X which is owned by Hasbro.

[NinSEGA]

Oh, and why did you remove The Smurfs, Johnny Mnemonic, and Time Cop from your website?