Daria's Definitive RPG Collection

[Daria]

Daria's Definitive RPG Collection
Feel free to submit suggested games I should add to this list below, or weigh in the proposed border line cases. Or just discuss the games in general. I'll be adding other systems to this thread as I go along/take pictures.

Part 1: NES RPGs - Total Collected 45/48
Most Wanted: Hillsfar [???], Battle of Olympus [Side Scrolling Action RPG] , Lone Ranger [Action RPG]
Proposed Borderline: Fester's Quest [Action Adventure?], Blaster Master [Action Adventure?], Gremlins 2 [Action Adventure?], CastleQuest [Dungeon Puzzler]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/NES1_zpse2f0d2a4.jpg

Traditional Turnbase RPGs
1. Dragon Warrior
2. Dragon Warrior II
3. Dragon Warrior III
4. Dragon Warrior IV
5. Magic of Scheherazade, The
6. Legend of the Ghost Lion, The
7. Destiny of an Emperor
8. Ultima: Exodus
9. Ultima: Quest of the Avatar
10. Ultima: Warriors of Destiny (pictured below)
11. Final Fantasy (pictured below)

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/NES2_zpsa280ba7f.jpg

Dungeon Crawlers
12. Bards Tale, The
13. Dungeon Magic
14. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
15. Wizardry: Knight of Diamonds
16. Swords and Serpents
17. Pool of Radiance
18. Might & Magic

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/NES3_zps16bf4c7f.jpg

Side Scrolling Action RPGs
19. Heroes of the Lance
20. Gargoyles Quest II
21. Faxanadu
22. Legacy of the Wizard
23. Zelda II: Adventure of Link, The [Grey & Gold]
24. Magician

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/NES4_zps0b32aace.jpg

Note: Action Adventure are Zelda-Clones, Action RPGs have stats and experience, Arcade Dungeons are stage based.

Action RPGs
25. Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves [Action RPG]
26. Hydlide [Action RPG]
27. Faria [Action RPG]
28. Crystalis [Action RPG]
29. Little Ninja Brothers [Action RPG] (pictured below)
30. Times of Lore [Action RPG] (pictured below)

Action Adventure
31. StarTropics [Action Adventure]
32. StarTropics II: Zoda's Revenge [Action Adventure]
33. Legend of Zelda, The [Action Adventure]
34. Willow [Action Adventure]
35. Spiritual Warfare [Action Adventure] (pictured below)

Arcade Dungeon
36. Arkista's Ring [Arcade Dungeon]
37. Gauntlet (pictured below) [Arcade Dungeon]
38. Gauntlet II [Arcade Dungeon] (pictured below)

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/NES6_zps2a9b0b0f.jpg

Hybrid Genres
39. Pinball Quest [Pinball Action Adventure]
40. Immortal [Dungeon ..ok I'm at a loss... combat most closely resembles a boxing game]
41. Guardian Legend [Shooter Action Adventure]
42. Solstice [Dungeon Puzzler]
43. Princess Tomatoe [Text Adventure & Dungeon Crawler]
44. Tombs & Treasure [Text Adventure & Dungeon Crawler] (pictured below)
45. Pirates! [Simulation RPG] (pictured below)

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/NES5_zpscd62c2e1.jpg
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[Daria]

Daria's Definitive RPG Collection
So the bad news is I collect cart only SNES games, I actually sold off my boxes to pay for more games at one point. But only because they weren't in very good condition, the ones that were nice I kept. I sold my beat up Chrono Trigger box for $50, I consider that a win-win honestly. Also huge kudos to dra600n for selling me EarthBound. Thank you! And to my friend Xiados who gave me half these games.

Part 2: SNES RPGs - Total Collected 41/50
Most Wanted: FireStriker [Arcade Dungeon], Dungeon Master [Dungeon Crawler], Ultima: The Black Gate [Traditional RPG], Uncharted Waters [Simulation RPG], New Horizones [Simulation RPG], Drakhen [???], King Arthur & The Knights of Justice [Action Adventure], Might & Magic II [Dungeon Crawler], Might & Magic III: Isles of Terra [Dungeon Crawler]
Proposed Borderline: Harvest Moon [Simulation RPG]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SNES5_zpsda8c36ca.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SNES6_zps2ccb9352.jpg

Traditional Turnbase RPGs
1. Breath of Fire (Manual & Map)
2. Breath of Fire II (Manual & Map)
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Lufia (Manual & Map)
5. Lufia II: Rise of the Sinstrals
6. Final Fantasy II (CIB)
7. Final Fantasy III
8. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
9. EarthBound
10. (Tecmo) Secret of the Stars
11. Inindo
12. Paladin's Quest (Manual)
13. RoboTrek (CIB)
14. 7th Saga, The
15. Ultima: The False Prophet (Manual)
16. Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (Manual & Map)

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SNES4_zps72c45c92.jpg

Dungeon Crawlers
17. Arcana
18. Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Eye of the Beholder
19. Obitus (Manual)
20. Wizardy V: Heart of the Maelstrom

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SNES1_zps8135f882.jpg

Side Scrolling Action RPGs
21. Act Raiser
22. Dragon View
23. Ys III: Wanderers From Ys

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SNES7_zps55a311de.jpg

Action RPGs
24. Lagoon
25. Soul Blazer
26. Illusion of Gaia (CIB)
27. Lord of the Rings
28. Secret of Mana (Manual & Map)
29. Secret of Evermore (Manual & Maps)
30. Brandish (Manual & Map)
31. Shadowrun
32. Super Ninja Boy

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SNES3_zpsa65f1882.jpg

Action Adventure
33. Brain Lord (seriously blurring the line between action RPG & Action adventure... you collect heart containers but your "fairy companion" collects xp.)
34. Adams Family Values
35. Equinox
36. Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past (Map)
37. Young Merlin
38. Twisted Tales of Spike McFang, The (Manual)
39. Ultima: Runes of Virtue II (Manual)

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SNES2_zps71c098cc.jpg

Strategy RPGs
40. Ogre Battle
41. Gemfire

Coming Soon: Sega Master System & Sega Genesis

[Daria]

Daria's Definitive RPG Collection
Posting both Sega Master System and Genesis simultaneously since both libraries on on the smallish side.

Part 3a: Sega Master System - Total Collected 8/11
Most Wanted: Dragon Crystal (PAL?)[Rouge-Like Dungeon], AD&D: Heroes of the Lance (PAL/Brazil)[Side Scrolling Action RPG], Spellcaster [Side Scrolling Action RPG]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SMS1_zpsd913860c.jpg

Traditional Turnbase RPGs
1. Phantasy Star
2. Miracle Warriors

Action RPGs
3. Ys: The Vanished Omens [Action RPG]
4. Golvellius [Arcade Dungeon]
5. Aztec Adventure [Arcade Dungeon]
6. Golden Axe Warrior [Action Adventure]

Side Scrolling Action
7. Lord of the Sword
8. Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap


Part 3b: Sega Genesis/Master System - Total Collected 38/39
Most Wanted: Arcus Odyssey [Arcade Dungeon]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN8_zps5a779a2c.jpg
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http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN10_zps44b25253.jpg

Traditional Turnbase RPGs
1. Sorcerer's Kingdom
2. Traysia
3. Shadowrun (mixes Skill based action overworld combat w/ menu based matrix battles)
4. Phantasy Star II
5. Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom
6. Phantasy Star IV
7. Legend of Wukong (unlicensed)
8. Star Odyssey (unlicensed)
9. Beggar Prince (unlicensed)
10. Pier Solar (unlicensed)

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN4_zpsa0591011.jpg

Dungeon Crawlers
11. Sword of Vermillion (mixes traditional dungeon crawling with side scrolling boss battles)
12. Shining in the Darkness
13. Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of the Eternal Sun (mixes over world traditional battles with dungeon crawling.. dungeons)
14. Might & Magic: Gates to Another World

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN2_zps343a23c2.jpg

Side Scrolling Action RPGs
15. Ys III
16. Wonder Boy: in Monster World
17. Exile
18. Cadash

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN5_zpsb95e74bc.jpg

Action RPGs
19. Super Hydlide
20. Faery Tale Adventure, The

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN1_zps413c93c6.jpg

Action Adventure
21. Beyond Oasis
22. Light Crusader
23. Crusader of Centy
24. LandStalker

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN7_zps69e90cfd.jpg

Strategy RPGs
25. Shining Force
26. Shining Force II
27. Warsong

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN6_zps0d50f62e.jpg

Simulation RPGs
28. Buck Rodgers: Countdown to Doomsday
29. Starflight
30. StarTrek
31. Pirates! Gold
32. Uncharted Waters
33. New Horizons (Uncharted Waters 2)

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/GEN3_zps9e13278e.jpg

Other
34. King's Bounty [??]
35. Rings of Power [??]
36. Immortal, The [??]
37. Fatal Labyrinth [Rouge Dungeon]
38. Gauntlet IV [Arcade Dungeon]

Coming Soon: Sega CD & Sega Saturn

[Daria]

Daria's Definitive RPG Collection
Onto some of Sega's ill fated console endeavors.

Part 4a: Sega CD - Total Collected 10/10(??)
Most Wanted:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SegaCD1_zpsa253bafd.jpg

Traditional Turnbase RPGs
1. Lunar: Silver Star
2. Lunar: Eternal Blue
3. Vay

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SegaCD4_zps3d0b488d.jpg

Dungeon Crawlers
4. Dungeon Master II: Skullkeep
5. Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Eye of the Beholder

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SegaCD2_zpsa1b8054e.jpg

Action RPGs
6. Dungeon Explorer [Action RPG]
7. Popful Mail [Side Scrolling Action RPG]
8. Heimdall [Action RPG]

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SegaCD3_zps6a457d25.jpg

Strategy RPGs
9. Dark Wizard
10. Shining Force CD


Part 4b: Sega Saturn - Total Collected 11/11(??)
Most Wanted:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SS4_zpsf00a7f35.jpg


Traditional Turnbase RPGs
1. Albert Odyssey
2. Panzer Dragoon Saga

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SS2_zps74aab2a7.jpg

Dungeon Crawlers
3. Shining in the Holy Ark
4. Virtual Hydlide

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SS1_zpsb247ba5b.jpg

Strategy RPGs
5. Shining Force III
6. Dragon Force
7. Mystaria: The Realms of Lore / Blazing Heroes

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SS3_zps2ae48166.jpg

Action Adventure
8. Shining Wisdom
9. Legend of Oasis
10. Dark Savior

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/SS5_zpseb82288c.jpg

Action RPGs
11. Magic Knight: Rayearth


Coming Soon: Playstation

[Daria]

*Reserved +2*

[bb_hood]

What about the Koei NES games Like Bandit Kings of Ancient China, Genghis Khan, Nobunaga's Ambition 1 & 2, Romance 3 Kingdoms 1 & 2, Gemfire, Uncharted Waters?

[Daria]

I forgot Uncharted Waters had an nes port. The rest however... You know what? I probably should add a strategy section, or remove the strategy games from the Snes section. I suppose it doesn't make much sense to include one and not the other.

[Jorpho]

Is this going to turn into another one of those "What's an RPG?" things?

[Kid Fenris]

Can I post my RPG collection in this thread?

Thanks, here it is.

http://www.kidfenris.com/collection1.jpg

[Bratwurst]

I have a RPG collection too!

http://home.roadrunner.com/~saucisse/vbender/RPG1.jpg

GET THIS SHIT, I still have the map

http://home.roadrunner.com/~saucisse/vbender/RPG2.jpg

[Daria]

Huh, my bad I thought we still shared collections on this site. What the fuck was I thinking?

[Bratwurst]

Oh hush, you have a very nice collection. Crystalis and Willow are about the only NES games out of everything you pictured that I'd play anymore though.

[Daria]

Oh hush, you have a very nice collection. Crystalis and Willow are about the only NES games out of everything you pictured that I'd play anymore though.

At least those are two good ones to choose. :P

[Rickstilwell1]

I'm just glad to see you're still posting cool threads like this and collecting RPGs. I just started Wizardry for NES tonight and my characters are already level 6 with around 40HP except my wimpy Elf-Mage who started at 4 HP and now only has 16. That's ok, it'll catch up when it becomes a Samurai. It's not like it'll get hurt much in the 6th position. This time I am not going to use Game Genie at all.

[bb_hood]

You should get Uncharted Waters New Horizons next, its the best game you dont have. Its really really good. Snes and genesis are the same game but snes has better music.

Also I wouldnt consider Festers Quest a RPG at all, but it is an awesome game. Some of the heaviest beats on any nes cart.

[fergojisan]

Wow, those are great collections for the NES and SNES. I'm not really an RPG guy but I would like to be, I guess I haven't found the right one yet (I'm talking turn-based, not like Zelda). I am curious about your thoughts on FF Mystic Quest. I bought it because it was recommended as a good starter RPG, but it gets bashed a lot. I enjoyed the little bit I played of it, but I moved and never finished it. Is this a good place to start or would you recommend something else?

[Dire 51]

I wouldn't consider Gremlins 2 or Blaster Master RPGs at all, not even borderline. They're definitely action games.

[Edmond Dantes]

All I can say is I am so jealous!

Seriously, I'd give the left half of my soul to own all those RPGs.... including the ones I didn't even know existed!

(I object part-way to Might and Magic being called a "Dungeon crawler" by the way... it's got a lot of non-dungeon environments. But whatever, it's still probably the best RPG on the NES, unless one of the ones I've never heard of is significantly better)

[MidnightRider]

I'm not really an RPG guy but I would like to be, I guess I haven't found the right one yet (I'm talking turn-based, not like Zelda).

Unless you already tried it and it didn't click, or it's too expensive(totally understandable, as it always had been, though there's a DS port now, and I think a digital download), Chrono Trigger. Not sure the price of this one nowadays ether, but Super Mario RPG: The Legend of the Seven Stars might be a good one to start with as well. If not one of the Suikoden or Grandia games(PS1 onward though).

If you like Zelda, hopefully any action RPG would suffice as well. Crystalis on the NES. Brain Lord, Soul Blazer, or Illusion of Gaia(though it's more action-adventure alongside Zelda) on the SNES(I'd say Terranigma too, but that'd be an import from the UK), and any of the Ys series(1st on the Master System or both the first couple on one disc for the Turbo CD, 3rd on Genesis/SNES/Turbo CD).

All recommendations from another non-RPG person.

[WelcomeToTheNextLevel]

Sexfuck Adventure was the best RPG ever. Got a lot of hours on NES from it...

[Zthun]

Since I've started to play some older RPGs on NES and SNES, this collection list gave me some ideas of what I want to play next. Thanks for posting this.

[Jorpho]

I've never even heard of a bunch of these. Are Arkista's Ring and Castlequest rare or something?

It occurs to me that King's Knight should qualify if some of those other ones do.

[Zthun]

FYI Gremlins 2 isn't an RPG. It's an Action Platformer.

[MidnightRider]

I've never even heard of a bunch of these. Are Arkista's Ring and Castlequest rare or something?

~700 North American releases for the NES and both major 4th generation consoles, a lot is going to slip through the cracks, and go unnoticed.

Add to the fact that these games/genres were always niche, no matter how much lip service the internet gives them. Zelda sold the best out of everything here, and even those games have never been in the league of Tetris or the Mario series(even Mario Kart has always outsold Zelda games). The best selling RPG's sold to ~2-7% of all console owners during this period of time. The ones selling to 3-7% mostly being because they were a little more popular in Japan, but were never going to see those kinds of numbers in North America.

[WelcomeToTheNextLevel]

~700 North American releases for the NES and both major 4th generation consoles, a lot is going to slip through the cracks, and go unnoticed.

Add to the fact that these games/genres were always niche, no matter how much lip service the internet gives them. Zelda sold the best out of everything here, and even those games have never been in the league of Tetris or the Mario series(even Mario Kart has always outsold Zelda games). The best selling RPG's sold to ~2-7% of all console owners during this period of time. The ones selling to 3-7% mostly being because they were a little more popular in Japan, but were never going to see those kinds of numbers in North America.

I hate some RPGs because you have to figure out for yourself where to go just to get any more than 1% of the way through the game. Other types of games (and good RPGs) it's instantly obvious where you need to go. Super Mario 64, jump into paintings. You'll stumble upon where the stars are if you tinker around with it. Sonic, follow the map. Ditto for 2D Mario. Elder Scrolls Oblivion, you get directions pointed out to you. But some RPGs - and some other games period - make you figure it out, and fuuuuuk that. Of course, many other non RPG games such as Sonic 06 are the same way. Of course, fuuuuuk that whole game. Then again, I love some RPGs.

As for fuuuuuk, it was in the credits of the Master System Space Harrier. The art director was listed as "FUUUUUK" :ass:

[Rickstilwell1]

I hate some RPGs because you have to figure out for yourself where to go just to get any more than 1% of the way through the game. Other types of games (and good RPGs) it's instantly obvious where you need to go. Super Mario 64, jump into paintings. You'll stumble upon where the stars are if you tinker around with it. Sonic, follow the map. Ditto for 2D Mario. Elder Scrolls Oblivion, you get directions pointed out to you. But some RPGs - and some other games period - make you figure it out, and fuuuuuk that. Of course, many other non RPG games such as Sonic 06 are the same way. Of course, fuuuuuk that whole game. Then again, I love some RPGs.

As for fuuuuuk, it was in the credits of the Master System Space Harrier. The art director was listed as "FUUUUUK" :ass:

Most of the time online I hear the opposite, where people are tired of all the hand-holding present in newer games.

[Jorpho]

~700 North American releases for the NES and both major 4th generation consoles, a lot is going to slip through the cracks, and go unnoticed.

Add to the fact that these games/genres were always niche, no matter how much lip service the internet gives them.Actually, it is because of the Internet's lazorlike scrutiny of all things RPG that I am surprised there are corners of the tiny niche that are unilluminated.

[Daria]

Updated the lists with Master System and Genesis. Could use some help categorizing some of that other section. :/

[kupomogli]

Just making an observation. It's Wizardry 5 Heart of the Maelstrom, not 6. I think you're mistaking the guard of the sword for another roman numeral.

[FrankSerpico]

I envy you so much Daria. I've wanted Uncharted Waters and New Horizons since 5th grade, but don't have money to spend on the collection like I used to :(

[Daria]

...but don't have money to spend on the collection like I used to :(

Honestly, neither do I. I haven't been working since I had my son almost a year ago, and I'm going to school full time. Funds are beyond tight at my house, and it seems to get worse every year.

But hey I got games to play *thumbs up cheesy smile*

[mailman187666]

I'm loving this collection. I wish I had half of what you have here, especially in this condition. Looking forward to seeing the sega cd + saturn collections.

[Cloud121]

Which one is next to Crystalis in the picture? I can't read the title due to the glare.

[Edmond Dantes]

Which one is next to Crystalis in the picture? I can't read the title due to the glare.

Looks like Arkista's Ring to me.

@Daria - Seconding what someone above me said: Heart of the Maelstron is Wizardry V, not VI. You are indeed mistaking the sword guard for a numeral (it happens to the best of us).

Wizardry VI was called Bane of the Cosmic Forge and the SFC version was Japan-only. Are you collecting Super Famicom games?

[Raedon]

Great collection Daria! You've got some SNES RPGs I still have on my wish list...not many though. :)

I need to buy a copy of Piers Solar someday.

[Daria]

Yeah, I was listing titles while looking at the photos. So the sword guard did indeed magically morph into an extra roman numeral. Thanks for pointing that out, ill fix that next time Im sitting at a real computer. I probably should have noticed sooner, but honestly, not a big Wizardry fan - or of dungeon crawlers in general.

Only SFC games I collect are translated ROMs on my wii. ;)

[Daria]

Updated with Sega CD/Saturn games. I think I may actually have them all (not that there's many).

[Edmond Dantes]

I know at least one Sega CD RPG you're missing: Dungeon Master II: The Legend of Skullkeep. I didn't see that in your collection.

(I thought it was a PC port over since the original Dungeon Master was a PC game, but apparently the Sega CD version is actually the original and the PC version is the port. Of course, that was on Wikipedia so I don't know if that's bull or not...)

Random fact: There's at least one Dungeon Master game (Chaos Strikes Back) which was PC only, so you can never get the complete series on consoles alone (and the fifth and final installment was Japan-only, for the Saturn).

[Daria]

I know at least one Sega CD RPG you're missing: Dungeon Master II: The Legend of Skullkeep. I didn't see that in your collection.


It's there, right next to Eye of the Beholder, except I typoed out the II. Opps.

[Natty Bumppo]

Darlin' Daria - You might want to look at Revengers of Vengeance for the Sega Cd - a truly awful game (the only one I can think of that was worse was King Arthur and the Knights of Justice for the SNES) but it did have an rpg mode of sorts - it is pretty obscure (as such things go) and was a weird hybrid game that didn't do much of any of its modes very well.

[Edmond Dantes]

Ah, okay. I must've just not seen it the first time.

Still I can't shake this nagging feeling that there's at least one Sega CD and one Saturn RPG you don't have.

...

Intensely jealous of this collection, by the way. If you ever happen upon a second copy of Vay, let me know.

[Natty Bumppo]

Some people consider "The Space Adventure" for the Sega CD to have some RPG elements - I can't say for sure since I didn't get very far into it - it was really pretty boring.

Edit - a couple of notes for the genesis games - Gemfire was also available on the Genesis and the really great strategy game "Master of Monsters" should probably be included with the Shining Forces and Warsong.

[Daria]

Some people consider "The Space Adventure" for the Sega CD to have some RPG elements - I can't say for sure since I didn't get very far into it - it was really pretty boring.

Edit - a couple of notes for the genesis games - Gemfire was also available on the Genesis and the really great strategy game "Master of Monsters" should probably be included with the Shining Forces and Warsong.

Don't worry Bear, I own Master of Monsters. :P

[Daria]

Darlin' Daria - You might want to look at Revengers of Vengeance for the Sega Cd - a truly awful game (the only one I can think of that was worse was King Arthur and the Knights of Justice for the SNES) but it did have an rpg mode of sorts - it is pretty obscure (as such things go) and was a weird hybrid game that didn't do much of any of its modes very well.

Worse than King Arthur...? Oh yay. :/

I'll check it out though, thanks for the suggestions.

[Natty Bumppo]

Don't worry Bear, I own Master of Monsters. :P


That game is right up there with Brigandine and Dark Wizard in terms of quality - I have often wondered how they could screw up the remake on the PS1 so badly.