About the Recent S***storm... [Archive]

Some1

08-30-2014, 05:27 PM

Hi, everybody! :)

This thread might be a bit trivial, but I guess there's no harm in asking.

For the past week I've been hearing these news of a giant debacle about a Zoe Quinn sleeping with some guys and Phil Fish getting doxxed, but I can't for the life of me find anything that would actually introduce me into the topic - all the articles I found were for people who already knew what the deal was. I'm completely lost. :|

What I'm asking is, could someone give me the gist of this whole mess and what it could do to the industry? While I usually pass on these supposedly "large" news, this seems like something really, really big, so big that even I've become interested. I'd be very grateful for any information.

Tanooki

08-30-2014, 08:48 PM

I don't recall all of it, but basically the girl had a boyfriend and for a good while. He came to find out, that to try and advance her career, she was on differing levels whoring around and lying about it to him. Some men she supposedly hit on, others were heavily flirting both ways, and supposedly she ended up taking it as far as sex to get ahead. The people she was fooling with were the heads of companies, groups, departments, whatever, basically people with power and control that could get her in a better standing. Her boyfriend found out, he wanted it stopped, she claimed it would and didn't, so she got dumped and he dumped all this 'evidence' up on the internet. Since then it's been a feeding frenzy of hate, a bit justified, and a lot of trolls taking it way way too far on the girl. There is another thread for it on this site I believe, and when I saw that one I had made a sizeable post since I've run into whoring like that before which caused me to quit out from working on the online gaming media as she was setting me up for a fall since I wouldn't get with her. So clearly I have zero sympathy for the girl given the the story and evidence are true as no man or woman should slut around to get ahead. I found this big original post on it maybe a week ago but I didn't bookmark it, it's all the original evidence of logs, imagery and other goodies from the guy and her trying to refute it so it was the source piece so it is out there.

Some1

08-31-2014, 04:02 AM

That sounds like some heavy stuff. I guess this is how far some will go to advance their careers... Well, thanks for the reply, I'll be sure to search for the other thread.

JSoup

08-31-2014, 05:28 AM

There are a few threads around Neogaf and The Escapist that have been covering all information and discussion about all this bullshit. There is also something about that Anita women apparently being forced out of her house due to credible death threats. JonTron said something stupid and then Totalbiscuit tried to play the middle (that one I have: https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/this-game-supports-more-than-two-players-jazz-edition).

Flojomojo

08-31-2014, 07:14 AM

kupomogli

08-31-2014, 08:27 AM

I don't see why people really have to stick their noses in it. Sure the girl is a whore and deserves to be panned, but the industry is full of bias and people don't bitch and moan constantly over that. People are sheep and just want to feel they're part of something important because this is apparently such big news.

Some1

08-31-2014, 12:52 PM

Thanks, those overviews were very comprehensive.

(the following is a personal opinion and is in no way meant to reflect the absolute truth on this matter)

Well, cheating on someone is, without doubt, wrong, but the ramifications this will hold on someone's personal life are none of the internet's business.
The fact that the gaming industry can, like all others, be corrupt and biased, is something that's always been known, but this Zoe Quinn thing has really thrown into our faces. One individual exploiting the system won't bring it down, the small worm that's constantly eating away is. I don't understand how people could take a medium based mainly on entertainment and turn it into a horiffic drama fest, full of corporate schemes and lies. :vamp:

And, for F's sake:
-you do not make rape, bomb, murder threats under any circumstances,
-you do not try to ruin someone's life because their opinion differs from yours,
-you do not discriminate against others for whatever reason.

I know I sound like the Big Brother, but seriously, isn't this something that should go without question? When was it declared that prejudiced assholes would be the poster child for video games? And I don't know about the end of video game culture, but I'd rather go live in the desert than be associated with people spewing forth such foul crap. It seems like the underbelly of the internet is this eldritch abomination that will devour all who do not conform and comply.

There are bigger problems in this world than having the opposite gender criticise your preferred entertainment medium.

To end this little rant, I'll simply say... I'm dissapointed it's come to this.

Tanooki

08-31-2014, 01:03 PM

It is disappointing and that F list you have there fits too.

Personally taking all the third party nose in it assholes out of the equation and leaving it as a cheating bitch using her body and mind games to get ahead is the real problem as it goes into the entire lack of integrity on the inside of gaming if you kooch can get you ahead over being actually good or useful at stuff. I have no sympathy for her on that level, but i don't think even that whore should have to put up with all the added abuses by a bunch of internet nobodies. I got fucked over by a whore like that which got me to exit the video game media doing reviews and stories last decade so I can't stand people like that as I used to love doing that stuff. Even now I have a friend who runs some gaming stuff that wants me to get back into the writing, but I just can't get my head around it again even after this long.

Some1

08-31-2014, 01:47 PM

lack of integrity

That sums it all up perfectly. But I guess it's a nasty part of human nature.

About all that personal stuff you said, if I may be so bold, I'd suggest not letting your past dictate your future. You went through a tough time, and you're better for it, so go out there and do what you want. But hell, what do I know? Just make sure the choices you make make you and those you love happy. That's all I can say.

I know I won't let a bunch of pricks ruin something I've loved all my life.

Tupin

08-31-2014, 03:37 PM

Here is an overview that will catch you up. This all blew up while I was on vacation so I missed a bunch of it too.

http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/26/video-games-misogyny-and-terrorism-a-guide-to-assholes/

There's also a good Leigh Alexander piece about "gamer culture" being over. That's ok with me.
Keep in mind this is the site ran by the guy who said he respects actual, legitimate terrorists who recently beheaded an American journalist more than anyone who calls themselves a "gamer."

All of this whining about "gamer culture" being over is because gamers finally put pressure on journalists to stop having conflicts of interest in the things that they cover. To put it in simple terms, journalists are really, REALLY mad at their audience for calling out behavior that was somehow acceptable and are pissy that they won't be able to both fund AND review games anymore.

Tanooki

08-31-2014, 06:48 PM

Some1 you're fine, there's no line even close to being crossed there. The fact that it happened directly I am over and have been a long time. But the thing is, the fact I see whoring (her style, paid reviews or you're fired stuff, etc) going on since that time I really just can't work on the will to bother again since it's all just back room (or in her case back door) deals. I haven't let any pricks ruin anything, I just don't associate with it, kind of like me not on NA anymore as the control freak telling people what to do with their own property shit got on my last nerve too. Just distance, relax, and things are nicer.

Some1

09-01-2014, 06:28 AM

I'll take Tanooki's advice about distancing myself. I'm in video gaming for the games, not for some corporate conglomerates and intolerant asses. I like games, and I'll keep playing them. Those corrupt journalists, developers and publishers can go ... themselves, for all I care.

I'm done with this supposed little "revolution". Reading deeper into it would really be pointless. I thank everybody who's pitched in on the thread. I know what I need to.

That is all. (signature)

Gameguy

09-01-2014, 11:21 PM

For the past week I've been hearing these news of a giant debacle about a Zoe Quinn sleeping with some guys and Phil Fish getting doxxed, but I can't for the life of me find anything that would actually introduce me into the topic - all the articles I found were for people who already knew what the deal was. I'm completely lost. :|
Haven't really paid too much attention to this. Was she sleeping with the Fishes?

JSoup

09-02-2014, 12:16 AM

Gameguy

09-02-2014, 12:38 AM

Zthun

09-02-2014, 01:47 AM

Really had no idea at all what this thing was about as I never heard about it before this thread, but now looking into it I at least found out what it's all about. There's a detailed description of the events of this huge mess as they happened on Know Your Meme. I'm still undecided if I care about any of this or not.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy

Can someone explain why anyone should care about this? I didn't even know who Zoe Quinn was before this, and I haven't even heard about Depression Quest until this storm of bull shit. Here's what I was getting from all of this:

Headline: Chick sleeps with dudes behind boyfriends back to get publicity for indie game.

Why is this shocking news? Am I missing something?

Edit

OK, so after reading the first article posted here, I see now the headlines are:

Douchbags respond to Zoe Quinn poon usage by continuing to be dicks.

............why is this shocking news?

JSoup

09-02-2014, 05:36 AM

Initially, there was a slight reason to care in that she may have been fixing reviews.
Once that was proven false, the reasons to care about this (unless you were directly involved) dropped to zero.
Edit: Or was it proven false? I'm seeing other information now...

Jorpho

09-02-2014, 09:44 AM

............why is this shocking news?I think it might be safe to say that feminist advocacy seems to have gotten kind of different over the last year or two.

Tupin

09-02-2014, 10:15 AM

Feminists/their defenders need to stop making this issue some sort of anti-feminist conspiracy to cover the fact that it's about corruption.

This shit is Payola, and that's sad.

Some1

09-02-2014, 10:36 AM

Careful which forums you say that on.

Hah, like I care. I don't mind making a few enemies if that's what it takes to have an opinion. I could quote Churchill here, but that would just be tacky.

Why is this shocking news?

I actually don't know. I made this thread 'cause I didn't want to be left in the dark. Then, seeing all the things going on, the corruption, the abuse, the ridiculous replies by certain people, not only to Zoe Quinn, but also to people like Sarkesian, made my quite angry. You do not just threaten to kill someone. I wrote that little rant, and then I realised it was kind of pointless. Like I've said, I'm done with it. TBH, I feel kind of silly.

In any case, I won't stand for discrimination and corruption in any industry.

Tupin

09-02-2014, 10:47 AM

Those two women are charlatans that have made it that much harder for a woman to be in the industry. Their McCarthy-esque methods of making every industry professional support them or their career is ruined is disgusting.

Just gonna post this:

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1265/9345/original.jpg

Some1

09-02-2014, 03:07 PM

Well, reading a bit more about it, it sound a bit suspicious, but I just can't say for sure. This whole thing has become such a cobweb of different opinions on different forums, colliding facts and just general secrecy and misinformation that it's really difficult to create an opinion that I'm confident in. In short, I'm having a hard time picking sides, and I'm not sure I want to (though, like JSoup said, sometimes you're forced to).

This is my disposition towards these types of affairs:
corruption = bad,
discrimination = bad,
disloyalty = bad,
lying = bad,
greed = bad.

Those may seem like very logical associations, but sadly :( , real world isn't always that black & white and I don't have any solid ways of applying that simple system. It's hard to tell what's going on sometimes.

Jorpho

09-02-2014, 07:30 PM

Those may seem like very logical associations, but sadly :( , real world isn't always that black & white and I don't have any solid ways of applying that simple system. It's hard to tell what's going on sometimes.At which point it's best to just give up and recognize that attempting to support an uninformed opinion is much worse than having no opinion at all.

Some1

09-03-2014, 06:32 AM

I think I'm done with this thread. Keep discussing if you wish, I have nothing more to add or discover. Still, I thank everybody, you've helped me find out a lot more about this issue. I've realised this topic just isn't for me, and any opinion I end up having on it will probably not have very strong foundations, therefore it'll only be detrimental :|.

Goodbye, and thanks again! :)

Gameguy

09-03-2014, 11:20 PM

why is this shocking news?
I've been looking into this whole thing since I first heard about it here. It seems it initially wasn't a big deal for the first few days, no more than any interest in any new news. It only started blowing out of proportion when Phil Fish started getting involved by opening his big mouth. Then they apparently hacked their own sites claiming other people did it, with Phil using the opportunity to announce his quitting from developing any more games(since the last time he announced the same thing). All this just got more people interested in piling on, focusing on everything these people did to anyone and everything else over the years.

Initially, there was a slight reason to care in that she may have been fixing reviews.
Once that was proven false, the reasons to care about this (unless you were directly involved) dropped to zero.
Edit: Or was it proven false? I'm seeing other information now...
Apparently one of the people accused of fixing a review eventually claimed that he only knew her professionally up until the point that the review got published. He then said that they only became involved together after the review was published. If this was all made up, I'm surprised that they actually were involved together at all. Again, this is all I heard from various forums linking to other forums and sources. So many sites with this discussion are getting taken down so it's hard to find the original sources as they're gone by the time someone links to them to support what they're saying.

ReaXan

09-04-2014, 09:06 PM

ReviewtechUSA talked about this story in one of his recent reviews, and while i love his channel I found this topic beyond boring and I failed to see why people get so worked up about females playing video games?

Berserker

09-04-2014, 09:50 PM

Abuse and harassment of struggling writers and developers on a massive scale under the thin guise of exposing corruption is not some great and noble thing. Game journalism hasn't been compromised because it hasn't been invented yet. Before a thing can become corrupted, it must first exist. Anyone paying attention knows that gaming press is a promotional industry; that's how it began, that's how it remains. The sad thing to me is that some of the people who have been making efforts to bring it closer toward the realm of real journalism by exploring deeper topics are being thrown into the fire right now. Jenn Frank, for example, was just pressured into leaving because the Guardian failed to print full disclosure that was given to them by her.

I've been following this since it began. It's not about exposing anything, it's about seeing an opportunity to punish people for saying shit you don't want to hear, and offering the same fate to anyone who defends them. Any valid issues that may have been there in the beginning are now irrepairably twisted and eroded into dust by the endless drooling din of the internet hatemob. Broke writers supporting broke developers on Patreon is not the plague of this industry. The private drama of a developer's personal life is not the plague of this industry. Anita daring to continue producing Tropes vs Women videos in gross violation of what some dudes somewhere want her to do is not the plague of this industry.

Resistance to change is the plague of this industry.

Daria

09-05-2014, 03:16 AM

Richter Belmount

09-05-2014, 03:40 AM

soooooo is it about cronyism in the industry or men complaining about women in the industry?

Tanooki

09-05-2014, 12:36 PM

Didn't you know? We play them with our vaginas.

Looks like someone was a fan of Rez. :D

Tupin

09-05-2014, 04:57 PM

Political cartoon time:

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/824/395/2a6.jpg

And more stuff:

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/824/514/bc4.png

WCP

09-05-2014, 05:36 PM

Huh ?

I don't get any of this. Just seems dumb overall.

Can't we just play Sonic the Hedgehog and all get along ?

bb_hood

09-05-2014, 06:28 PM

Huh ?

I don't get any of this. Just seems dumb overall.

Yeah I agree. To call it a shitstorm is blowing it way out of proportion. Its merely a turd that everyone is bickering over.

JSoup

09-05-2014, 08:06 PM

Huh ?
Can't we just play Sonic the Hedgehog and all get along ?

That leads to the other problem, no one can not be a part of this without being labeled this and that. Depending on what rings you run in, that may or may not be an issue. NeoGaf just got finished with it's first bout of "Just want to play your games? Of course you do, you privileged white male! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"

Tupin

09-05-2014, 08:22 PM

To bring it around to retro gaming: many of these people bemoan the popularity of retro games because they see them as full of stuff that they hate and if they continue to be popular, it will prevent/dilute the changes they want. Of course this doesn't stop their love of pixel art, but they focus very much on the latter word in that phrase, more of a modern interpretation of what "retro" graphics looked like.

Gameguy

09-05-2014, 11:43 PM

Yeah I agree. To call it a shitstorm is blowing it way out of proportion. Its merely a turd that everyone is bickering over.
How many Courics is this turd?

Zthun

09-06-2014, 12:33 AM

Didn't you know? We play them with our vaginas.

Starfox 64 with the rumble pack must've been a dream come true!

RP2A03

09-06-2014, 02:02 AM

Didn't you know? We play them with our vaginas.

I guess that would explain this:

http://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?134086-why-are-my-ps2-analog-sticks-watery-oily

Tanooki

09-06-2014, 05:06 PM

It really explains this as this is what I was joking about her liking Rez for yesterday in that post. I guess I should have been more clear.
http://www.gamegirladvance.com/2002/10/sex-in-games-rezvibrator.html

Daria

09-06-2014, 08:43 PM

I guess that would explain this:

http://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?134086-why-are-my-ps2-analog-sticks-watery-oily

Ok, that's hilarious.

Tanooki: I don't think your joke really needed clarification. The Rez vibrator is a rather infamous peripheral.

otaku

09-08-2014, 10:22 PM

check my review of depression quest out over at defunctgames for my feelings on the matter and the game :) great website by the way for us retro guys :)

Richter Belmount

09-11-2014, 04:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2d-8TtLSig&list=UUEeuSJaNA3WsdEkCnb-fhDg I think Roo at Clan of the Gray Wolf covered GamerGate in the most calm and sane way possible. Skip to 21:00 mark for the GamerGate discussion. I guess its hard to take people seriously when most of the gamergate people are doing '' Epic Rants'' on youtube but Roo actually has a calm discussion about it here.

BHvrd

09-11-2014, 10:32 PM

otaku

09-12-2014, 06:22 PM

Looks like someone was a fan of Rez. :D

I love that game and was thinking the same thing :wink 2:
also I find it interesting that a large portion of the women shown in the above post are Japanese perhaps it is more of a western issue (though I would think things would be perhaps worse culturally in Japan) what do I know though this is not my area of expertise. Bottom line I liked the game