Console Wars SNES vs. Sega Genesis

[Tanooki]

Both are some fairly nice lists there. I must be alone in loving Dune and Star Control.

[celerystalker]

Both are some fairly nice lists there. I must be alone in loving Dune and Star Control.

No, those are great. I just threw that off the top of my head just because there seemed to be some friendly prodding happening. I forgot a lot of good ones like those two, Herzog Zwei, Starflight, Mystic Defender, and lord only knows what else if I really thought about it. There are some real winners on the system. I like just about every other 16 bit system better... well, not the CD-i. I don't think that's as much a knock on the Genesis as it is praise for that whole console generation. Out of the SNES, Genesis, Turbografx, and Neo Geo, there's not a real dog in the bunch. They're all great and should be played.

[Gentlegamer]

Great lists in here, most of them are on my collecting list.

[Tanooki]

Ok well perhaps they're liked but forgotten, but I do know I"m probably in the minority of loving the Genesis release of Virtua Racing over the Saturn one for instance (I've had both.) I played the crap out of the Genesis game having bought it new from Sega's (in the 90s) covert website sega-parts.com which had so much old stock for sale new for like $5-20 at the time. It once was a nice quiet resource where I got that game, Ghouls n Ghosts, and a few others from cheap.

[calgon]

Great lists. Sega all the way for me. Super NES is great also, but too many RPGs and well, more childish games (not that there's anything wrong with that) for me.

[Gentlegamer]

Great lists. Sega all the way for me. Super NES is great also, but too many RPGs and well, more childish games (not that there's anything wrong with that) for me.

All those Disney games sure are adult. :D

[celerystalker]

I'm bored, so I'll toss out a top 75 for SNES, too, and again not in any order:

1 Earthbound
2 Super Metroid
3 Super Mario World
4 Super Mario Kart
5 Donkey Kong Country
6 Final Fantasy II
7 Final Fantasy III
8 Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
9 TMNT: Turtles in Time
10 King of Dragons
11 Magic Sword
12 Illusion of Gaia
13 Soul Blazer
14 Super Bomberman 2
15 Secret of Mana
16 Zelda: A Link to the Past
17 Breath of Fire
18 Breath of Fire II
19 Ogre Battle
20 Contra III
21 King Arthur's World
22 Cybernator
23 Space Megaforce
24 Axelay
25 Gradius III
26 R-Type
27 R-Type III
28 Demon's Crest
29 Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts
30 Super Castlevania IV
31 Castlevania: Dracula X
32 F-Zero
33 Lagoon
34 Dragon View
35 SOS (Septentrion)
36 Street Fighter II Turbo
37 Rock 'n Roll Racing
38 Super Baseball 2020
39 Super Tennis
40 Violinist of Hameln
41 Act Raiser
42 Cho Aniki: Bakaretsu Rantouden
43 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
44 Super Star Wars
45 Super Empire Strikes Back
46 Super Return of the Jedi
47 Front Mission: Gun Hazard
48 Kishin Korinden Oni
49 Xardion
50 Brain Lord
51 Lufia
52 Lufia II
53 Knights of the Round
54 Brawl Brothers
55 Final Fight 2
56 Final Fight 3
57 Biker Mice from Mars
58 FireStriker
59 Fire Power 2000
60 Legend
61 Legend of the Mystical Ninja
62 Pocky & Rocky
63 Pocky & Rocky 2
64 On the Ball
65 Shadowrun
66 Super Nova
67 Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster Busts Loose
68 Chrono Trigger
69 Earthworm Jim 2
70 NBA Jam
71 Sim City
72 Super Mario RPG
73 Itadaki Street 2
74 Battle Dodgeball
75 Secret of Evermore

Love me some Super Nintendo.

[celerystalker]

Aaaand... just for kicks, although in the US it was a distant third, it's a shame it's always ignored, the Turbografx:

1 Ninja Spirit
2 Blazing Lazers
3 Super Star Soldier
4 Final Soldier
5 Sinistron
6 Air Zonk
7 Bonk's Adventure
8 Bonk's Revenge
9 Neutopia
10 Neutopia II
11 Keith Courage in Alpha Zones
12 Samurai Ghost
13 Salamander
14 Psychosis
15 Vigilante
16 Kickball
17 Download
18 Somer Assault
19 World Court Tennis
20 Final Lap Twin
21 Aero Blasters
22 Tiger Road
23 Cadash
24 Dragon Spirit
25 Galaga '90
26 Sidearms
27 Tricky Kick
28 Bloody Wolf
29 Dungeon Explorer
30 Space Harrier
31 Momotaro Katseguki
32 Splatterhouse
33 Moto Roader
34 Image Fight
35 Makai Hakkenden Shada
36 Shiryo Shinsen War of the Dead
37 Valkyrie no Densetsu
38 Cratermaze
39 Dragon's Curse
40 Silent Debuggers
41 Legendary Axe
42 Legendary Axe II
43 Pac-Land
44 Alien Crush
45 Devil's Crush
46 Momotaro Dentetsu
47 Military Madness
48 Kyuukyoku Tiger
49 R-Type
50 Boxy Boy
51 Jimmu Denshou
52 Gradius II
53 Gate of Thunder
54 Legend of Xanadu II
55 Kunio-kun Downtown Nekketsu Koushin Kyoku Soreyuke Daiundokai
56 Ys Books I & II
57 L-Dis
58 Conan Boy in the Future
59 Energy
60 X-Serd
61 Fantastic Night Dreams Cotton
62 Super Darius
63 Yokai Doukuchi
64 Flash Hiders
65 Dragon Slayer
66 Tengai Makyou: Ziria
67 Tengai Makyou: Manji Maru
68 Tengai Makyou: Kabuki Den
69 Bomberman '94
70 Battle Lode Runner
71 Last Alert
72 Exile
73 Cosmic Fantasy 2
74 Final Zone II
75 Gradius

Admittedly, I did have to include about 20 CD titles so as not to include filler HuCards, but the Turbo/PCE had a larger portion of its games in that format worldwide, and the Genesis lineup would definitely look even better with a similar number of CD inclusions.

[Tanooki]

Fun, not sure why I hadn't thought of doing that but was enjoying the Sega lists enough. I'll have to think it over and fire up a nice list here later today but I got to pick the kid up pretty quick.

[calgon]

75 is a bit much for me but I can certainly do the tried and true top ten
10. Thunder force III
9. Dynamite heady (jp ver)
8. Sonic the hedgehog
7. Mega bomberman
6. Shining force 2
5. Revenge of shinobi
4. Gun star heroes
3. NHL 93
2. Rocket knight adventures (jp ver)
1. Wonder boy in monster world

[Edmond Dantes]

Both are some fairly nice lists there. I must be alone in loving Dune and Star Control.

The hell you are! Both are considered classics on the PC, although I'm not sure if that love transfers over to the console versions (in Dune's case I'm pretty sure it does, since every time I've heard praise for the PC one I've also heard it for the Sega version. Star Control I've never thought to look up)

[Tanooki]

Well the Star Control conversion is an upgrade really. The old game was keyboard based, not sure if it even used a basic old school gamepad and was I believe 16 colors or so with very basic adlib level audio so the Genesis one with the few more colors, system sound, and the tight controller made it a better experience. I had it back in the day complete in the box, it was a big cardboard one which had this large fold out starmap of the entire area and a decent manual too. It was unlicensed, Renovation or something released it, so it came in a taller than usual cart. Dune though was licensed, that one is very solid on the Gen but it's also not a total true conversion, it's stripped to fit the system as it removed House Ordos from being controlled, so those stages are removed, but within the Atreides and Harkkonen those stages are there and the Ordos do along with Fremen pop up to attack so it's fairly faithful.

Man now I'm wishing those EA tightwads that own Westwood would put that old Dune 2 game, their original RTS that gave C&C life, up on GoGames.com to buy, but if that did pop up those they'd stuff it on that horrible Origin system. :(

I really need to get off my ass and buy those 2 games back along with Virtua Racing and a few others for my Retron 5.


**Just realized this was released for free a year ago on Android, but the scumbag who did it tried to charge for it and someone ratted him out to EA for being an abusive jerk to anyone not giving him great ratings on Google Play, but the APK is all over anyway online still. Also there's a browser version as well by another - http://epicport.com/en/dune2

[Gentlegamer]

Star Control, a friend had that back in the day, I never really got to play it, is it sort of a Star Trek sim?

[Edmond Dantes]

Here's a review of Star Control (http://www.pixelships.com/adg/ep0149.html), granted its for the DOS version but I've always heard that the Sega version was much the same.

[GhostDog]

Both are great systems without a doubt. For me the Genesis wins because it holds the most nostalgia value as well as having more action oriented games that pleased my senses. Coming from the NES and then seeing the Genesis in action was a thing of beauty. The SNES had many great games but honestly I wasn't a big fan of many of the games that many SNES fans loved such as RPGs and whatnot. SNES games back in the day didn't much appeal to me beyond Street Fighter II, Super Mario World, Contra III, Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball and Donkey Kong Country. I wasn't impressed with Zelda, RPGs or Super Mario Kart. I know now there are plenty of good SNES games but back in the day it was all about the Genesis and arcades for me.

[celerystalker]

I think that for me, preferring the SNES isn't as much a statement that its overall library is more consistent than the Genesis. I think if I went in blind picking 5 random games for SNES and Genesis, I'd probably like more on the Genesis. It's just that the SNES' best games to me are some of the greatest ever, but it doesn't have much in the middle of the road. It'd amazing or crap with little in between for me. With Genesis, the middle of the road is jam-packed with decent games, but there are far fewer that I find remarkable or abhorrent. If I were to order those top 75 lists, I think the SNES for me would bebetter for the top 25-30, whereas the last 45 or so would largely sway toward the Genesis. The reason I always mention the Turbo other than its lack of love and Japanese successis that I think it does pretty much what the Genesis does, just a little better.

[Daria]

I'm the odd duck here. I play primarily RPGs and I prefer the US Genesis library over the SNES. :P

[Tanooki]

Here's a review of Star Control (http://www.pixelships.com/adg/ep0149.html), granted its for the DOS version but I've always heard that the Sega version was much the same.

If my memory serves me right they are identical in content, just the a/v fluff and use of a comfy gamepad give the Gen game the edge back then, and even now not having to screw with dosbox.

Do read that review, its an interesting game. You work to control a star system, but if you arent developing those worlds or defending them you can get into a top view one on one combat melee zone where it is a battle to the death.

[calgon]

I'm the odd duck here. I play primarily RPGs and I prefer the US Genesis library over the SNES. :P

Same here. Not a huge RPG guy by any stretch but something about the genesis RPG library just has a lot of charm. SNES still has some complete classics, but a few do little to innovate the medium.

[Edmond Dantes]

I think its that the Genesis library tends to have either western RPGs (many of them PC ports) or else very off-beat Japanese RPGs, while the SNES is more full of just standard jRPGs. So that does give the Genesis a special flavor in that regard.

Also the Genesis has Landstalker and Crusader of Centy. Take THAT, Zelda!

[Tanooki]

That's a pretty good way to put that. Genesis really isn't lacking in RPGs, it's just lacking in what a majority think are good RPGs (ie: known standard JRPG format stuff.) It has the western flair, and it has the more obscure from other even more obscure systems (Exile) or just different than the usual type stuff but definitely not bad.

[thisIsLoneWolf]

That SNES list looks like it's missing a little game called Super Adventure Island. :)
New Adventure Island for the Turbografx is really great too.

[Neb6]

Although I'm primarily into arcade-style games, I prefer the SNES to the Genesis.

Why? Because I'm a color whore and it wasn't until machines like the TG-16 and SNES that I saw sprites that had enough color in them.

As someone else mentioned on here though, why not just play both (or all three) systems?

[treismac]

Aaaand... just for kicks, although in the US it was a distant third, it's a shame it's always ignored, the Turbografx:

As much as I love it, it's damn easy to ignore the TG-16 with the scarcity of it in the wild and the high prices online. Thank God for emulation, eh? :)

[Tanooki]

That's my beef with it, well that and the hucard library in the US sucked more than not -- the CDs are where it's at and from Japan too. I miss the Duo I had, but I will never buy into this system after people figured out how much they could break peoples wallets over it and get away with it playing the whole scarcity angle. It's not scarce at all online, just locally it's a bitch to find stuff and when you do, if it's retail, it's as bad as it is online if not higher. I saw a CIB (no sleeve) splatterhouse the other day for like $60-70 which was just sick. I could have bought that 4 years ago for like ten bucks.

The Genesis though I intend to get a few games for through my retron 5. I've got a short list I'm scouting out now to see what happens. I know that Dune at around $40 and Castlevania a bit more are the worst, but things like Star Control, Ghouls n Ghosts, Virtua Racing, Columns, and a few others are pretty tame because most people aren't trying to run Genesis games into the Nintendoland territory.

[bb_hood]

Thank God for emulation, eh? :)
And flash carts

[celerystalker]

Yeah, TG16 stuff is all but non-existent in the wild, but I disagree with the lack of quality HuCards. Even just domestically, there are lots of great HuCards... Neutopia I & II, Ninja Spirit, the Bonk games, Air Zonk, the Star Soldiers, Sinistron, Blazing Lazers, the Legendary Axes, Dungeon Explorer, and many more. I honestly really feel it stands up really well over all. Yeah, Yo Bro is no Zombies Ate My Neighbors, and Timeball and Drop Off suck really hard, but it skews to average or better for the majority in my book. Cadash, Final Lap Twin, SideArms...

Definitely don't blame people for emulating, though. Prices on that stuff are out of control. Ever since completionists started going after small library systems like Virtual Boy or 32x that were inexpensive forever and then popped off a few years ago when collecting blew up. Neo Geo games costing more than cars, Waterworld hitting triple digits at times, Magical Chase going from about $70 for almost 20 years before jumping into the thousands... It's all crazy. Turbo seems to be one of those that the folks that got their Jaguar CD and Virtual Boy collections finished all jumped on at the same time.

That might be my favorite thing about the Genesis. Yeah, it has its collectors and fanboys, but most of its awesome stuff is so accessible and still cheap even at retail. I can go out any given day and find something at least decent for five bucks or less, so that's neat to me.

[bb_hood]

Yeah, TG16 stuff is all but non-existent in the wild, but I disagree with the lack of quality HuCards. Even just domestically, there are lots of great HuCards... Neutopia I & II, Ninja Spirit, the Bonk games, Air Zonk, the Star Soldiers, Sinistron, Blazing Lazers, the Legendary Axes, Dungeon Explorer, and many more. I honestly really feel it stands up really well over all. Yeah, Yo Bro is no Zombies Ate My Neighbors, and Timeball and Drop Off suck really hard, but it skews to average or better for the majority in my book. Cadash, Final Lap Twin, SideArms...



Yeah it is, but TG16 stuff has almost always been very rare compared to nintendo/snes/genesis. Years ago I scrambled to collect alot of TG16 stuff because i knew how rare the stuff really is. I have a fairly large collection of TG16 stuff and almost everything was bought or traded for online. Maybe its a regional thing but except for maybe 2 TG16 systems with very commons games Ive never found anything at flea markets or on CL locally. I never found that stuff locally, never.


I think there are alot of really good US turbo games, but there should have been way more thats for sure. Many Japanese games could have easily been translated over and would have been well received.
However I always thought Neutopia I & II are.. well just bad games. I was shocked when I played the first one because I read it was one of the best TG16 games but I found it to be a bland zelda rip-off.

Anyway, off the top of my head here are my top 10 US Genesis games:
Top 10 Genesis:
10. Gauntlet IV
9. Contra Hard Corps
8. Rocket Knight
7. Uncharted Waters II New Horizons
6. Lightening Force
5. Alisia Dragoon
4. Sonic T. Hedgehog 2
3. Shining Force II
2. Gunstar Heroes
1. Dynamite Headdy

I strongly believe Dynamite/Gunstar/Shining II are the three best games released in the US, hands down. Hard to choose between Dynamite and Gunstar as the best.

[celerystalker]

Yeah it is, but TG16 stuff has almost always been very rare compared to nintendo/snes/genesis. Years ago I scrambled to collect alot of TG16 stuff because i knew how rare the stuff really is. I have a fairly large collection of TG16 stuff and almost everything was bought or traded for online. Maybe its a regional thing but except for maybe 2 TG16 systems with very commons games Ive never found anything at flea markets or on CL locally. I never found that stuff locally, never.


I think there are alot of really good US turbo games, but there should have been way more thats for sure. Many Japanese games could have easily been translated over and would have been well received.
However I always thought Neutopia I & II are.. well just bad games. I was shocked when I played the first one because I read it was one of the best TG16 games but I found it to be a bland zelda rip-off.

TG16 was extremely regional. NEC marketed only in major metropolitan areas, like New York and Chicago, so basically the closer you were to a city with multiple pro sports teams, the more likely you were to see any games or advertising. I bought a bunch in the late '90s and early 2000s at local stores. Even though it's way tougher now, I can still go to local stores and find the common stuff like Keith Courage or China Warrior any given day, so I've managed to put together about 3/4 of the US library entirely offline. I bought a Last Alert, a Moto Roader, and Timeball in the last year from local places. Timeball was not worth the $8, but I was curious...

Neutopia a Zelda ripoff?! That's... that's... really true. However, they were pre-Link to the Past, so there was only one top-down Zelda at the time, so it's a little more forgivable to me, and they play well... but yes, ripoffs don't get more flagrant. If they were made tomorrow, though, they'd be called loving tributes probably. Although I enjoy them, I can't defend their borderline plagiarism, as they don't even really tinker with structure like a Soul Blazer, Lagoon, or Beyond Oasis. They just copy/paste, right down to the number of enemies on each screen staying the same if you don't kill them all like in the first Zelda.

[Edmond Dantes]

Still, we need more games like the first Zelda. The series was never the same after Nintendo started catering to babies with it.

"Oh, expecting people to search for secrets is too hard! Let's put BIG, OBVIOUS CRACKS on any wall that can be bombed! And gamers who complain that they miss stuff in dungeons? Lets make it so you HAVE TO EXPLORE EVERY ROOM or you can't even get to the boss!"

Neutopia might not be better than the original Zelda, but its better than most of the later ones easily.

[Tanooki]

Not going to get into the Neutopia thing, it was average to me at best when I had it. I've got to agree though the bounty of TG stuff was likely proportionate to how damn big your city/town/county was back in that period it existed. I had a pretty healthy library of probably 20 hucards and 30-40 discs. Years ago there was this really awesome retail shop in my old home town area in California, the guy was very nice as an owner, and his prices despite being retail were very very fair (stuff was $5 and up, much stuff was just $5 and for example the 'expensive' game was Dragon Warrior 4 CIB for $50 to give perspective.) Store is still there now but the guy went crazy and got mean, prices stuff like 2-5x over ebay but being his own are monopoly he fleeces US Marines stuck on base bored with nothing to do with his stuff. I won't name the shop he deserves no business. The thing is, that place had every game system you could think of from the NES/SMS forward, even Neo Geo too and plenty of games, systems, versions of systems and some Japanese stuff. Of all the TG stuff I had I bought the Duo online for maybe 100 or so along with the system card 3.X with it. All my HuCards and at least 1/2 the discs I got from his store and the prices were better than buying online in the infancy of ebay and other random online shops. I guess I was lucky but there was so much great stuff. I wish I could remember all I had but it was a fair mix of US cards and US/JP CDs. Some of my favorites were imports like Dracula X, Macross 2036, RayXanber 3(shooter), Panic Bomber and others.

I'd love to have a recapped Duo but the price on that thing not to mention the games I once had I could buy a used car in good shape with it which makes it just sick to even consider it anymore.

[celerystalker]

Still, we need more games like the first Zelda. The series was never the same after Nintendo started catering to babies with it.

"Oh, expecting people to search for secrets is too hard! Let's put BIG, OBVIOUS CRACKS on any wall that can be bombed! And gamers who complain that they miss stuff in dungeons? Lets make it so you HAVE TO EXPLORE EVERY ROOM or you can't even get to the boss!"

Neutopia might not be better than the original Zelda, but its better than most of the later ones easily.

I couldn't agree more. I liked Zelda better when the story was a preface for the game. It just gave you a setting and then put you in control of what mattered-the exploration and action. I don't think the games got better after the NES.

Also, yes, I agree that the cost of so much of this has become prohibitive and unrealistic. I remember feeling like I paid a ton for Sengoku 3 on AES some 11 years ago for $120. Now that auctions are edging in on $2000 for English copies, I'm okay with what I paid, but I can only justify buying a handful of common AES carts now before jumping ship to MVS. I wrestle with it, because that one game could pay for a Neo Geo cabinet and the game with hundreds of dollars left over, but having a Neo Geo AES was something I'd dreamed of as a kid (as hobbies go), and I got the 30 or so games I have when they were waaaay less retarded to buy. Sensibly, selling would be a no-brainer, but respect to my early teen years makes me really enjoy playing that home system that always seemed so out of reach at the time.

I do wish there was a cheaper option for a duo, though. Mine was $300 with a handful of games for a Duo-R, and that seems pretty average to good these days. If/when it eventually craps out, it'll really suck.

[Tanooki]

Probably a when as my understanding was all the Duo's used substandard caps on them that give out and it has become a more and more common occurrence which is why you see more of these people doing re-cap services or selling the as such for a premium as they'll last.

Personally I found between Zelda and the clones, often enough Secret of Mana (SD2) alone (not the others) trump it in that style of play. They really need to make more like that one. Also probably the game with the best soundtrack for the SNES too considering how the composer approached it. The game stands out because he didn't like the Nintendo and other public resources for MIDI samples for the audio and made his entire unique set for the game then set out to make pieces that didn't reek of being game music.

[Edmond Dantes]

Also, yes, I agree that the cost of so much of this has become prohibitive and unrealistic. I remember feeling like I paid a ton for Sengoku 3 on AES some 11 years ago for $120. Now that auctions are edging in on $2000 for English copies, I'm okay with what I paid, but I can only justify buying a handful of common AES carts now before jumping ship to MVS. I wrestle with it, because that one game could pay for a Neo Geo cabinet and the game with hundreds of dollars left over, but having a Neo Geo AES was something I'd dreamed of as a kid (as hobbies go), and I got the 30 or so games I have when they were waaaay less retarded to buy. Sensibly, selling would be a no-brainer, but respect to my early teen years makes me really enjoy playing that home system that always seemed so out of reach at the time.

There are converters that let you run MVS games in an AES. Better than having essentially two of the same console, and both worlds are open to you.


I do wish there was a cheaper option for a duo, though.

Any reason just getting a coregrafx/tg16 and then buying the CD addon (or getting them altogether in a lot) isn't an alternative? It seems to be cheaper, and my PC Engine has proven more durable than my Duo.

[celerystalker]

Yeah, I'm aware of MVS/AES converters, but for what they usually cost, I could get a 2 slot MVS cabinet on craigslist for close to the same, which I'll probably end up doing eventually. I think I'd enjoy having a cabinet anyway, really... I wrestle more with keeping some of these games that I bought long ago at way better prices that now cost a ton, like Saturn games. Back in '99, the most I paid for anything on Saturn was $40 for Panzer Dragoon Saga, because it hadn't all gone bananas yet... Shining Force III was $20, as were Burning Rangers and Dragon Force... Heck, a buddy of mine got Burning Rangers for $2.99 at a Game Crazy, and another friend and I both got loose MUSHA carts for the same. It's a struggle between the part of me that really enjoys having games like that against my pragmatic side seeing dollar signs. Having games makes me happy and I enjoy playing them, but if I did like a lot of folks and changed over to flash carts, emulation, and MAME, I could sell it or a lot of it and pay my house off or let my wife quit working all together, even though at least I've been able to earn enough to let her quit the job she hated and go part time... I dunno. I get older and I enjoy all of this every bit as much as I did when I bought most of it 15+ years ago, but money means different things than it did in my teens and twenties. I've been very fortunate in my life to be in a good situation where I don't have to make that kind of decision financially, but it's hard to ignore the kind of profit margin that's sitting there.

I do have a base TG16 unit as well, and a CD unit alone is a bit cheaper, but by the time I would pay for it and ship it, it's still a good deal to get in at $200, so I'd probably look into a repair for my DUO-R if it breaks down first, as it seems a little cheaper, and would also spare me the $20-$30 on a converter or core grafx for my Japanese HuCards.

Sorry if that's all a little long-winded... I think I let a bit of internal monologue or stream of consciousness out there. I mean, I don't really intend to sell my stuff. It's my favorite hobby... I just also like the idea of being able to do some really nice things for my wife with the kind of money it's all worth now, but I do work hard to give her a happy life and comforts, because she's such a good person. She'd kill me if I got rid of her Fortune Street or Culdcept Saga, though!

[Tanooki]

You know I'm curious what's the current difference? Duo alone $? TG16+CD+System Card 3.X $? It would be interesting to see the difference, and of course I have no idea if the TGCD needs its own wiring and power source, and what about rca jacks as the TG was annoyingly RF only. I know Turbo boosters can get spendy to add that.

[celerystalker]

It's about a $50 difference without the turbo booster. Not a huge savings, but having them separate means only having to replace part of the total. I went the Duo-R route from a local shop where the owner knew I'd wanted one for years and held onto it for me. It wasn't super cheap, but the fact that he held it back for me, not knowing when I'd be in again, was really cool of him. I miss that store... The guy knew I was game for weird crap, so occasionally he'd see me walk through the door, laugh and say, "Ah!" He'd go to his back room and pop out with something odd like Combat Queen or Time Gal/Ninja Hayate and say something along the lines of "Gotcha!" It was fun.

[Tanooki]

I miss that kind of service. I had that in the past with that one place I mentioned I shopped originally where the owner in the last 4~ years has turned into a greedy sadist twat who admittedly rips off boot camp marines to make money because they're trapped there. :\ Before he went amoral he was very friend, heaps of stuff you may never have heard of before, fair prices (not stupid cheap but not ebay or over either), and he was a nice person who would hold onto stuff, take requests if you were good/regular, and even gave out a freebie once in awhile.

[bb_hood]

You know I'm curious what's the current difference? Duo alone $? TG16+CD+System Card 3.X $? It would be interesting to see the difference, and of course I have no idea if the TGCD needs its own wiring and power source, and what about rca jacks as the TG was annoyingly RF only. I know Turbo boosters can get spendy to add that.

The Duos are a much better choice over the TG16+CD system. Regardless of the price difference its worth it to get a duo.
PC engine Super cd rom2 systems are also excellent systems.