Can any sealed game experts help me out?

[spman]

So I have an opportunity to get a sealed Zelda at a good price, but those resealers are getting better and better. Can anyone look take a look at this for me and give me their best opinion on authenticity? Thanks

http://s28.postimg.org/ie89978ql/1620802_10204081658513728_3816036481502951561_n.jp g
http://s28.postimg.org/6qe7enjlp/10687066_10204095182891829_2824323102740463913_n.j pg
http://s28.postimg.org/497i4i60t/10689846_10204081658473727_2656600298125106534_n.j pg
http://s28.postimg.org/j7pwyxl31/10703681_10204095252213562_2535735022069338076_n.j pg
http://s28.postimg.org/4ahfxx7ul/10710999_10204095255733650_8400011958360089119_n.j pg

[Tanooki]

Looks legit to me, but the images aren't that huge either. Look somewhere on the seal for a line of teeny pinholes in the seal, those were on all those old games as the sealing machinery did that while frauds generally lack that.

[spman]

Here's a few more pictures

http://s14.postimg.org/bc9rmja69/10290121_10204095258293714_4659541115748359418_n.j pg
http://s14.postimg.org/f8s5fn1hd/10710999_10204095255733650_8400011958360089119_n.j pg

[CRTGAMER]

Sealed games are worthless to me. What if the disc inside is defective or maybe not even inside?

[bb_hood]

Im no expert but the picture of the top of the box looks a little suspicious.
Its hard to tell with internet pictures.

[ZeroCool]

Isn't there like a line seam in the back that suppose to make it legit...I forgot where I saw this but Ive seen it a couple of times. I do have a NES game where the top was only opened and the rest was still on the box and there was a line seam in the middle that went across. I do have a sealed NES game somewhere but I can't find it, Im pretty sure it had that seam as well.
Also I got a 32x sealed game and although it was vertically there was a seam there as well. If I find that NES game I'll confirm it.

[Bojay1997]

Im no expert but the picture of the top of the box looks a little suspicious.
Its hard to tell with internet pictures.

Agree. The plastic looks weird and there is wear to the box right where the flap on the top tucks in. I suppose it could have happened through the wrap, but it looks very peculiar given that the wrap in that particular spot looks clean.

[Tanooki]

Sealed games are worthless to me. What if the disc inside is defective or maybe not even inside?

I agree you're paying for packaging. After seeing enough of these over the years in person or the high quality stuff people would debate over at NA that's why I responded. It looks fairly decent but it also looks like it got banged around a bit too on those corners. I couldn't make out the top with the non-high quality images there to see if there was apparent opening nor could I make out vent holes which is why I asked about that too. It's just too hard to say if this one is legit or not for me at least with those pictures.

Looking again at the pictures there's one problem, you don't have one of the top of the box where the back of it is pictured. You can't in those images make out if it has been opened before and resealed or not as you can't make out the fold to see if the ink of the box has creases or rips which is a dead give away. Combine that with no imagery of the vent holes, it's suspicious for now. It does have that h-seam in the sealing of the packaging on the back which can be just made out but that's it.

[Bojay1997]

Isn't there like a line seam in the back that suppose to make it legit...I forgot where I saw this but Ive seen it a couple of times. I do have a NES game where the top was only opened and the rest was still on the box and there was a line seam in the middle that went across. I do have a sealed NES game somewhere but I can't find it, Im pretty sure it had that seam as well.
Also I got a 32x sealed game and although it was vertically there was a seam there as well. If I find that NES game I'll confirm it.

Most legitimate NES sealed games do have the seam on the back, but unfortunately, fraudsters have figured out how to fake that as well.

[wiggyx]

Most legitimate NES sealed games do have the seam on the back, but unfortunately, fraudsters have figured out how to fake that as well.

I don't understand why the seam on the back has always been the big thing to look for. It's incredibly simple to reproduce with the cheapest of shrink wrapping equipment.

OP, post this on Nintendoage. Though you'll likely get more than you asked for, they will be able to tell you what you're looking at there.

[Bojay1997]

I don't understand why the seam on the back has always been the big thing to look for. It's incredibly simple to reproduce with the cheapest of shrink wrapping equipment.

OP, post this on Nintendoage. Though you'll likely get more than you asked for, they will be able to tell you what you're looking at there.

It's actually not easy to replicate, at least not well. That's why it's a fairly recent fraud phenomenon.

[wiggyx]

It's actually not easy to replicate, at least not well. That's why it's a fairly recent fraud phenomenon.

It's easy for me.

[Bojay1997]

It's easy for me.

Sure it is. Please provide some examples of boxes you have resealed with the proper Nintendo seal. I've seen plenty of attempts and they are pretty easy to spot as the forgers seem to miss certain details or make the seam too thick or miss the precise twisting motion on either side of the box. It's also not something a modern shrink-wrapping machine, at least not one that the vast majority of consumers would have ready access to, can duplicate.

[wiggyx]

Sure it is. Please provide some examples of boxes you have resealed with the proper Nintendo seal. I've seen plenty of attempts and they are pretty easy to spot as the forgers seem to miss certain details or make the seam too thick or miss the precise twisting motion on either side of the box. It's also not something a modern shrink-wrapping machine, at least not one that the vast majority of consumers would have ready access to, can duplicate.

No thanks. That's a can of worms best left untouched. Just know that it's a very simple process and there will be VGA graded forgeries as soon as someone out there with the same skillset figures out that there is money to be made by doing so (if there aren't already), and it doesn't require more than about 200 bucks worth of materials and equipment. I'm not sure why you would assume that the process cannot be duplicated. Shrink wrap tech isn't exactly state-of-the-art.

[Bojay1997]

No thanks. That's a can of worms best left untouched. Just know that it's a very simple process and there will be VGA graded forgeries as soon as someone out there with the same skillset figures out that there is money to be made by doing so (if there aren't already), and it doesn't require more than about 200 bucks worth of materials and equipment. I'm not sure why you would assume that the process cannot be duplicated. Shrink wrap tech isn't exactly state-of-the-art.

I'm sorry, but you're spreading incorrect information and moreover, you can't even support your own claim that you could easily duplicate the seam. Without going into a ton of detail, there are still many tell-tale signs of a forgery involving the seam on the back as it's not just a matter of buying a shrink-wrap machine and setting it to duplicate the seal. That's why there have been very few attempts and even fewer accurate forgeries. Most sealed collectors also don't rely on just the seam, but this idea that someone can just come along, spend $200 on a shrink-wrap machine and forge a perfect "sealed" NES game is totally false. It's like saying paper or cardboard tech is not state of the art. You're right, it's not, but that doesn't mean it's something that's easy to forge either.

[sfchakan]

If wiggyx and common sense tells you it's possible to replicate, I'm inclined to believe them both.

[Tanooki]

Wiggy I'm glad to see you make that post. I think I recall over at that other site I used to visit, I think I remember some VGA frauds being brought up before and that very debate over being able to fake the seal and it is known it can be done. The fact you're saying you can do it reinforces that. Personally I applaud the fact people can simulate that since VGA is a farce since they have no credibility at all except amongst their drones since they refuse to post standards let alone be consistent in the grading of the same item over resubmissions. It's no mystery that seal is completely doable, it's not like technology has gone backwards someone can not copy a 1980s/90s style box shrink wrapping method. Even with a legit game, a known one, you still can get stuff in the corners where you got whiting, and you do have cases where the hinges have ink cracking too because some dude somewhere back in the period had to fold the box, stuff the contents in all nice, and then seal it up before shrinking it up for shipment in a box to retail. I imagine it is and isn't easy to do, you have to have a certain skill set, and the eye to really copy what was once done, but yeah buying the equipment and stuff probably really is only a couple hundred bucks but if you don't have the talent to back it up you get those really solid fakes you see called out online. I just chock it up to other frauds before, such as those fake Honus Wagner cards some years back they got over on the baseball card graders and it made them look incredibly foolish, and they really do know their stuff and are open about it, including admitting when they were wrong.

[wiggyx]

I'm sorry, but you're spreading incorrect information and moreover, you can't even support your own claim that you could easily duplicate the seam. Without going into a ton of detail, there are still many tell-tale signs of a forgery involving the seam on the back as it's not just a matter of buying a shrink-wrap machine and setting it to duplicate the seal. That's why there have been very few attempts and even fewer accurate forgeries. Most sealed collectors also don't rely on just the seam, but this idea that someone can just come along, spend $200 on a shrink-wrap machine and forge a perfect "sealed" NES game is totally false. It's like saying paper or cardboard tech is not state of the art. You're right, it's not, but that doesn't mean it's something that's easy to forge either.

The major flaw in your argument is that you're obviously ignorant of the process, which is evidenced by the way you describe the details which you think are pertinent and/or controllable and assumption that a machine would be doing the work for me. This is part of why I have no interest in presenting evidence. I'm fairly certain that I could post a factory sealed game and you would incorrectly call out flaws just based on your extreme bias and lack of knowledge. The other reason that I have zero interest in posting samples is the possible and probable backlash. I can already hear the accusations of forgery. No thanks. This is an argument that cannot be proven in my favor, as you have already made up your mind and are so very certain that what I say simply cannot be true, regardless of what information or photo proof I could provide.

The truth is that I have a significant amount of hands-on experience with this sort of thing (packaging. I have LOTS of experience in packaging design both within my own business and as a packaging designer for a handful of other businesses before starting RCG).

If a forgery is accurate, then you'd never be aware that it is a forgery. That's the whole point. Your assumption that forgeries aren't out there in a measurable number is presumptuous at best. If retro game collecting keeps on its current path, then I would expect a lot more forgeries to find their way onto the market. As soon as it's a viable means by which to make money, people will do it, and they'll do it so well that you'll never know.

[Yorkie]

That's a real seal.

And Wiggy, you're full of shit.

[Daria]

I'm also inclined to take wiggyx at his word. He certainly has a more credible reputation then the Yorkie that just posted.

[wiggyx]

That's a real seal.

And Wiggy, you're full of shit.

Nah, beer and pizza mostly. Dropped the kids at the pool earlier.

[Yorkie]

Sorry my post count isn't as high as his, Daria.

Unless you(Wiggy) can post a video recreating an accurate H seam seal on an NES, SNES, GBA, or N64 box you're full of it.

It's 100% not possible at the moment.

[wiggyx]

It's 100% not possible at the moment.

LOL! Based on?

[Daria]

Sorry my post count isn't as high as his, Daria.

You should be! *shakes fist*

No I'm just saying that if anyone could fake a reseal I have no problem believing it could be Wiggy. His customs show a crazy attention to detail and precision. So if he says he can do it I'm inclined to believe him.

[Yorkie]

LOL! Based on?

Based on the fact that I know you're lying out of your ass.

You'd be shipping your consoles out with fresh pseudo H seams if it was so easy for you.

Now, either post a video or admit you can't do it.

Or you could just go around the whole "proving it" thing again(for the third time).

[Tanooki]

Burden of proof is on you, especially with that attitude problem you have there. If you're so damn certain, prove it. Daria's reasoning there is why I'd err on the side of agreeing with wiggy. His work in what we have seen, and also what we haven't considering his background with such stuff. What's your expertise in that makes you so positive it can't be done and why exactly can it not be then?

[wiggyx]

Based on the fact that I know you're lying out of your ass.

You'd be shipping your consoles out with fresh pseudo H seams if it was so easy for you.

Now, either post a video or admit you can't do it.

Or you could just go around the whole "proving it" thing again(for the third time).

How's that going for you?

[ZeroCool]

The Old Man (Robocop 2): BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

[Market Man]

burden of proof this is a court of law order in the court herp


smug queef noises


a shrinkwrap machine could never be used for evil!

Hot damn! Some good old fashioned dick waving in the Digital Press! GENTLEMEN DO YOU MIND IF I UNDULATE UNTO THIS DANCE?

[Market Man's Crotch]

Locked and loaded, Market Man! No shrink wrap's gonna hold ME back!

[Niku-Sama]

Well at least traffic is picking up?

[Tanooki]

Yeah it is, hopefully it stays up, like all those undulating crotches and this place will be a lot more jumping. :D

[jonebone]

The H-Seam is easy to fake... but fortunately that is just one of the many aspects to consider when verifying a game as legitimate. I've seen plenty of fake H-Seam games, but ventholes, tightness of wrap, texture of wrap and some other factors all come into play as well.

Not only would you need to fake the seal with 100% accuracy, but you also must have an unopened game to apply it to. Once the game is opened, it gets the white crease on the hinge and it is very easy to spot as a forgery. Even if you made a fake box, the box forgeries on eBay still aren't close enough to the real thing to trick a professional.

Baseball cards are infinitely easier to fake than sealed games, yet there are plenty of cards worth thousands, hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars. People try to fake those all of the time and grading companies continually shoot them down.

As someone who collects a lot of stuff, perfectly faking a sealed game is nowhere near an easy task. Good enough to trick a novice collector sure, good enough to trick an expert, no way.

[jfreakofkorn]

also from what i know the boxes are made of a different material ( grey colour ) and not white

[sfchakan]

Anyone who can fake a seal probably cares enough not to show the whole interest how to do it.

[wiggyx]

Anyone who can fake a seal probably cares enough not to show the whole interest how to do it.

Yeah, asking me to make a video is absolutely laughable, especially when they make sure to insult me within the same post. Just makes me want to grab the camera and get to work on that how-to video for the whiny, angry child who's demanding it, as if I somehow owe it to them or anyone else.

Reminds me of why I haven't been active here in a while...

[Bojay1997]

The major flaw in your argument is that you're obviously ignorant of the process, which is evidenced by the way you describe the details which you think are pertinent and/or controllable and assumption that a machine would be doing the work for me. This is part of why I have no interest in presenting evidence. I'm fairly certain that I could post a factory sealed game and you would incorrectly call out flaws just based on your extreme bias and lack of knowledge. The other reason that I have zero interest in posting samples is the possible and probable backlash. I can already hear the accusations of forgery. No thanks. This is an argument that cannot be proven in my favor, as you have already made up your mind and are so very certain that what I say simply cannot be true, regardless of what information or photo proof I could provide.

The truth is that I have a significant amount of hands-on experience with this sort of thing (packaging. I have LOTS of experience in packaging design both within my own business and as a packaging designer for a handful of other businesses before starting RCG).

If a forgery is accurate, then you'd never be aware that it is a forgery. That's the whole point. Your assumption that forgeries aren't out there in a measurable number is presumptuous at best. If retro game collecting keeps on its current path, then I would expect a lot more forgeries to find their way onto the market. As soon as it's a viable means by which to make money, people will do it, and they'll do it so well that you'll never know.

What you identify as the "major flaw" is actually the greatest support for my argument. The original H seals were done by machine. That means they are all pretty uniform and consistent and that there are tell tale signs that allow those of us that have been doing this for a while to identify legitimate and illegitimate copies. What you are proposing is that you can, using manual means, duplicate all the nuances of a fairly elaborate machine process. People have tried and at first glance they might fool novices, but in every case, more experienced collectors have quickly identified the forgery.

The fact that you have background in very pretty packaging design doesn't make you an expert in shrink-wrap or methods of fooling collectors. Frankly, there are lots of collectibles that have been ripe for forgery over the years (comics, toys, coins, stamps, etc...) and while all of them have had some degree of fakery, it's not something just anyone can pull off. In this particular case, assembling the raw materials, including an unopened or perfectly forged box for the small number of truly valuable sealed games, the proper wrap, the equipment to pull off the twists and uniform seams, the wrap holes, the roller marks, etc...is not something that most people would ever be able to pull off and I just don't buy that you have the capability to do it. Sure, eventually some examples of really elaborate fraud may emerge, but sealed video games are still small potatoes compared to the more lucrative collectibles out there that can generate tens of thousands of dollars a pop and I don't know that very many criminals are going to bother going through all the steps to go after what is still a very niche and volatile market.

People are entitled to their opinions and maybe they have seen your work in shrink-wrap (although I somehow doubt it). Sadly, it seems like the people supporting you are the same few people who are critical of sealed collectors anyway, who feel like 100% accurate scans of every piece of a game should be freely available and who have a vested interest in undermining and criticizing people who have the money and desire to collect in a different way than they do.

[Tanooki]

How cute passing blame on supporting him to people like myself who aren't fans of uptight collectors. :) I really don't see any merit in attacking him and I'd rather not see him run off the site from posting again for a few more months or for good this time. Is it really worth it to make a point even if you can't back your shit up any better than he can other than words. He won't prove he can do it because it would give proof of concept, and you won't prove he can't because you can't prove it's impossible. Just leave it be.

[sfchakan]

Something is nagging at me and I think it's my belief that Bojay adores VGA...

Bojay, I've got a sealed box of rocks waiting on your money. :)

[Bojay1997]

Something is nagging at me and I think it's my belief that Bojay adores VGA...

Bojay, I've got a sealed box of rocks waiting on your money. :)

Actually, I would never use VGA or any other grading service. I also would never pay crazy amounts of money for sealed games. The fact that you can't comprehend that some people choose to collect in a different way than you do and still derive just as much enjoyment and pleasure from collecting is a sad commentary on your lack of sophistication and narrow minded thinking.

[Bojay1997]

How cute passing blame on supporting him to people like myself who aren't fans of uptight collectors. :) I really don't see any merit in attacking him and I'd rather not see him run off the site from posting again for a few more months or for good this time. Is it really worth it to make a point even if you can't back your shit up any better than he can other than words. He won't prove he can do it because it would give proof of concept, and you won't prove he can't because you can't prove it's impossible. Just leave it be.

Right, anyone who disagrees with you should just "leave it be". It's a discussion forum. If you're not interested in engaging in a respectful and open discussion, perhaps this isn't the place for you or WiggyX. As for why he won't prove what he claims he can do, it's because he can't do it. I'm not the one who made a claim that I could do something, he was. I don't have to prove anything as there is no way for me to prove a negative. On the other hand, he can try to prove his claim but can't because it's not the easy process he claims it to be.

[Tanooki]

You do love going in circles to win a pointless battle. I have no problem with civil discussion but not all of it has been. The continually repeating the same junk isnt going to make a difference beating the horse to death. Believe whatever you want but going on and on isnt helping which is why I said leave it be. He wont show despie the fact we do not know if he can or not so there is no way to know.

[RP2A03]

He won't prove he can do it because it would give proof of concept

Actually, it would be more beneficial to the community if he did give proof (without going into explicit details on how it is done) rather than leaving everyone to stumble around in the dark believing that accurate forgories are impossible.

Also, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[Yorkie]

Does anyone in this thread even collect sealed NES, SNES, GB, or GBA games? N64 perhaps(different H seam, but it's still relevant)?

I feel like some of you guys have no knowledge of what an authentic, sealed cardboard box Nintendo game even looks like and are just picking a side because I am coming off as an asshole/am not well known.


The H-Seam is easy to fake... but fortunately that is just one of the many aspects to consider when verifying a game as legitimate. I've seen plenty of fake H-Seam games, but ventholes, tightness of wrap, texture of wrap and some other factors all come into play as well.


This. . . . Kind of.

When a pseudo H seam is attempted, there is always something glaringly wrong with it in the end. Not to mention you have to do it by hand in conjunction with using the sealing machine and that's always a pain in the ass. There is no option for "H SEAM SEAL" on a sealing machine.

So in essence, yes, it is easy to fake a sub par H seam. Making it look even half way legit is impossible without the machine Nintendo used.

Wiggy, if its about the internet seeing how you do it and stealing your jive, you could always take a picture of an over sized box and h seam it up all nice and tight with no flaws(something that you couldn't just buy off ebay with the H seam already on it). This way your "secret" doesn't get out.

If it's "easy for you", you should have no problem doing it.

Since, ya know, it's easy.

[bb_hood]

What you identify as the "major flaw" is actually the greatest support for my argument. The original H seals were done by machine. That means they are all pretty uniform and consistent and that there are tell tale signs that allow those of us that have been doing this for a while to identify legitimate and illegitimate copies. What you are proposing is that you can, using manual means, duplicate all the nuances of a fairly elaborate machine process. People have tried and at first glance they might fool novices, but in every case, more experienced collectors have quickly identified the forgery.



Yeah, exactly. The originals were done by machine. To say that you can easily create a perfect forgery of a shrink wrap seal that was done by machine using only 200$ of equipment/materials is just silly. If it is as easy as wiggy says it is, I am sure there would be way way more resealed games floating around.

[Daria]

Eh. This thread is full of way too many assumptions about what opposing sides feel, know, and collect.

But to answer Yorkie's question, I don't collect sealed games but I do own a few sealed Nes and Gba games.

[Niku-Sama]

I don't bother much with sealed games unless I find them at thrift/garage sale prices. And even then I usually already own an open copy of the game or it's a shit game not worth my time to play

And before I forget I feel that wiggy has done more of this sort of thing than any of us and they have probably done more for the retro gaming industry than most of us here in this crap posting off a thread will ever do so I take their word on it with out any sort of damming evidence.

[Tanooki]

Look Daria is right, too much assuming. I'm not a sealed collector, but that said I do have a few sealed games, one that will stay as such and I've had others come and go. Having once enjoyed their endured existing over at NA with that overbearing collector community there I read most the posts there having been a work at home here for years so I got bored, I got used to seeing all the standards on what to look out for and what not. I could sniff out a fake well enough over some total newbie asking for a bit of help having been schooled that way. I recall a truly passable without going into microscope level garbage fake presented on there before and discussions of VGA being duped as well online. That's why I'm trying to say wiggy could be telling the truth, I'm not and nor have I ever said he was being 100% honest and everyone else is full of crap, it's just that it may not be $200 easy (or maybe it is for him with his existing tools as added cost) but someone, somewhere can do it. Maybe it was a new seal, maybe it was someone redoing them with the equipment in the earlier 90s and 80s because stores up until corrupt fuckers at Software Etc/Gamestop took away the gamers right to return shitty goods because it 'could' be copied allowed returns and they'd seal stuff up there on site (terrible) and some would go back to a warehouse for it and those were done I'd think right or damn near to being right as I had a friend working retail for them back in the early/mid 90s (around the virtual boy days.)

My leave it be was that going in circles and telling each side they're full of shit is stupid, pointless, and a waste of time. Neither side is showing any proof, just seeing who can scream the loudest, and attacking someone isn't open discussion either. I personally think VGA is a fix, a street corner guess the card scam game with a steady enough pool of suckers who don't need proof, rules or posted standards that are consistent and they're happy with it. VGA has been shown to be able to be scammed, they also will keep taking the same game back in for more checks and I've seen at NA people who hated a grade and returning it until it was rated higher each time charged like $70 or whatever it is (it's not that cheap) to get it. If you send in something 3x and the first 2x it says one rating, and the third is higher, that's bs. I don't care if someone collects sealed, it's their cash, personally I think more or less it's stupid, they're games, not pieces of art and shelf nicnaks, but whatever, at least they can be opened up without the use of a hammer (VGA) if you want to use them. I have for good a sealed yellow Metroid I have in a shadowbox, favorite Samus art of the 20th century games, yet I still have my release gray I can play. I also still have a couple sealed up GBA games, one for sale, the other I'll open when I finish the RPG I'm on so I'm not going to tear into a sealed guy as a numbnuts.

[wiggyx]

Definitely not the place for me anymore.

[Tanooki]

Great...hrmm. That's what we need to be doing now, driving off people.

[Bojay1997]

Great...hrmm. That's what we need to be doing now, driving off people.

Right, so we should all just allow people to post whatever garbage they want without ever questioning it or discussing it. Frankly, I'd rather the forum completely shut down than impose self-censorship on the members who participate here regularly just because some guy who is trying to run a for-profit business got offended when forum members questioned his ridiculous claims.

[Tanooki]

Well you're allowed to post and treat him like that without any measure of evidence he was lying taking it towards not just questioning but being insulting. Stop trying to act the martyr you don't do it well. He's a nice enough people that didn't deserve being shoved out through harassment, that's all I'm saying.

[Bojay1997]

Well you're allowed to post and treat him like that without any measure of evidence he was lying taking it towards not just questioning but being insulting. Stop trying to act the martyr you don't do it well. He's a nice enough people that didn't deserve being shoved out through harassment, that's all I'm saying.

I didn't treat him in any specific way and nobody harassed him. He made a false claim and when people including myself questioned him about it, he tried to shift attention and finally walked away like a spoiled child. I'm not aware of any forum that would applaud him for his behavior and it's pretty sad that we have gotten to the point where we will just accept any BS simply for the sake of maintaining something that has been dying for a very long time.

[Niku-Sama]

Definitely not the place for me anymore.

Your definitely not the person I want to leave, you do cool shit for retro gaming.

I think it's time for this thread to just end

[Tanooki]

And again we're accepting your bs since you're insisting basically he's a liar. You'd do well over at NA griefing people that don't fall in line with the collector crowd.

Niku agreed, this thread should just stop as it's done enough damage. Of course then there will be the cries of censorship.

[Niku-Sama]

well its harassment and if I remember correctly against forum rules.

[bb_hood]

Nobody harassed anybody in this thread and I dont see where any 'damage' was done.
Wiggy stated that you can easily make perfect forgeries of NES h-seam seals with 200$ worth of equipment. This sounds like total bs to me, but hey I dont have all the 'experience' and 'knowledge' that wiggy says he has, so I guess wiggy just has to be right. Why should anybody question him at all, because ya know, he says that he has more experience and if he was to produce so kind of proof to back up his claim then "you would incorrectly call out flaws just based on your extreme bias and lack of knowledge".


Definitely not the place for me anymore.
Yeah its too bad that 100% of the people here will not kiss your ass. bye.

[sfchakan]

...and that's a great example of going over the line.

[PapaStu]

Wow....

This thread sure has run aground. Sealed games brings out the best in us all, without question.

And we're done here.

**lockerooni**