20 year olds that are into 16-bit gaming.... Why ?

[ZeroCool]

Isnt Pat like 33 or 32? I don't mind him, I just don't like his podcast partner. Guy seems like a know it all and he blabs on and I barely get to hear what Pat has to say. Gamester81 on the other hand does look in his 40s but he seems like a pretty cool dude.

[Zap!]

Isnt Pat like 33 or 32? I don't mind him, I just don't like his podcast partner. Guy seems like a know it all and he blabs on and I barely get to hear what Pat has to say. Gamester81 on the other hand does look in his 40s but he seems like a pretty cool dude.

Pat's NES stuff is good, but a few weeks ago he was saying how nobody heard of a Turbo Grafx in the early 90's, and how no one had a SMS in the late 80's. His partner agreed. That bothered me, but I still listen to them. Most are also short and to the point.

And Gamester81 does seem like a great guy. I used to think the "81" part was his favorite gaming year. I didn't learn until later on that that was his birth year. He looks a bit like Lou Ferrigno, minus the steroids of course. :)

[Tanooki]

The goodness of Pats stuff is debatable, but you have to know more to get that. His partner is the head of a shop in downtown San Diego called Luna Games. He's a nice guy (Ian I think), and years back he didn't have the nicest stuff to say about Pat and his mannerisms either (3 years ago) but I guess he came around to that or the youtube fame angle I guess. He knows more than Pat does I think, at least good kinds of knowledge but how you present it can make you seem bad. I wouldn't consider Pat much of a period authority on much of anything other than fairly well on the NES but he really misses the mark, he's mostly there just to get his ego stroked.

[ZeroCool]

I wouldn't consider Pat much of a period authority on much of anything other than fairly well on the NES but he really misses the mark, he's mostly there just to get his ego stroked.

Funny how you mentioned that. On his youtube page trailer where he introduces himself, he makes it a point that he was the one that started the flea market/game hunting trend. Im not totally sure on that. I know, it was one of the first of those kind I saw on Youtube. But to clearly point it out? Gimme a break.

[Tanooki]

He's full of himself, I think it's actually a real psychological problem and not just bad acting. I've told it enough times in the last few years at NA, but I was in SD county, had a couple of flea market friends. One week I couldn't go out they went to Kobeys which is right where Pat lives and shoots much of those things (the other would be the Spring Valley flea from what I could see.) They that week found a TG16 and games, a couple other hot item Nintendo games and random stuff. Pat caught a glimpse of what these 2 total strangers had in their bags and started buddying up to them instantly with the usual raised voice and bugged out eyes routine you see on video. He was all over them kind of like a giggly japanese school girl playing 20 questions on where they got this, do they know what it is, how rare this or the value of that was. Ultimately he wanted to play photographer with them and try and get some hugging, propping up items and smiling shots. One friend wanted to choke him and wouldn't, the other did it just to get rid of him. They told me the weekend after about it and they were both creeped out someone was that messed up in the head to approach strangers like that and start fingering their bags and the goods inside trying to get at them to roll into photo montage garbage. I'd bring that one up on NA and it was around the time he'd get pissed off in threads and start tossing insults or just storming off quietly and stop posting...total cookie jar you got caught routine. I just can't respect someone that off their rocker who clearly has problems and likely needs medication since they have some imbalance going on there they must gravitate to items and people like that or they get depressed and shitty about it. I think all the videos and the rest that get done is to that end to satisfy whatever is wrong there so he feels better about himself since the attention gets focused there and not on someone or something else because when the attention is gone bitterness sets in then raging off elsewhere to get a fix. I think he knows a good deal about the old 8bit Nintendo stuff, but beyond that, it's grandstanding a good bit. He even went on Pawn Stars to show off the NWC carts (both) and then tried to ask well too much for them that he got turned down big time as it wasn't even close, again all for attention.

[ZeroCool]

He's full of himself, I think it's actually a real psychological problem and not just bad acting. I've told it enough times in the last few years at NA, but I was in SD county, had a couple of flea market friends. One week I couldn't go out they went to Kobeys which is right where Pat lives and shoots much of those things (the other would be the Spring Valley flea from what I could see.) They that week found a TG16 and games, a couple other hot item Nintendo games and random stuff. Pat caught a glimpse of what these 2 total strangers had in their bags and started buddying up to them instantly with the usual raised voice and bugged out eyes routine you see on video. He was all over them kind of like a giggly japanese school girl playing 20 questions on where they got this, do they know what it is, how rare this or the value of that was. Ultimately he wanted to play photographer with them and try and get some hugging, propping up items and smiling shots. One friend wanted to choke him and wouldn't, the other did it just to get rid of him. They told me the weekend after about it and they were both creeped out someone was that messed up in the head to approach strangers like that and start fingering their bags and the goods inside trying to get at them to roll into photo montage garbage. I'd bring that one up on NA and it was around the time he'd get pissed off in threads and start tossing insults or just storming off quietly and stop posting...total cookie jar you got caught routine. I just can't respect someone that off their rocker who clearly has problems and likely needs medication since they have some imbalance going on there they must gravitate to items and people like that or they get depressed and shitty about it. I think all the videos and the rest that get done is to that end to satisfy whatever is wrong there so he feels better about himself since the attention gets focused there and not on someone or something else because when the attention is gone bitterness sets in then raging off elsewhere to get a fix. I think he knows a good deal about the old 8bit Nintendo stuff, but beyond that, it's grandstanding a good bit. He even went on Pawn Stars to show off the NWC carts (both) and then tried to ask well too much for them that he got turned down big time as it wasn't even close, again all for attention.

Whoa. I guess he figured since he was on Youtube he could all get buddy buddy with your friends. I can imagine the friend who wanted to choke him. His comedy act and I use the term loosely is just cringeworthy. I'm not sure if you seen one of his videos where he posted a 7 part series where hes showing his collection. Its insane. He has so much stuff that he probably will never touch and I mean the very obscure stuff that he will never play. Im a collector but I'm like "Holy shit, when is enough, enough?". There was also a video about this channel called the Gamechasers where they were at some Con and he was trying to ruin a deal with one of the guys trying to make a deal. I thought it made him look like a dick. But someone on this forum posted that they believe the show is staged. Not sure about that, but it did put him in a bad light.

I wasn't aware that he was on NA. I can imagine you getting shat on for calling him out by his fanboys. I saw that when he was on Pawnstars, definitely just to showcase his games and give him exposure. Total staged like all these so called reality shows.

[Tanooki]

He was on NA, various people myself included fed up with him drove him to get fed up and stop coming around. He then started talking smack about the site on the whole, and it wasn't even about people being fed up with the antics, it was all the classic stuff I agree with and various others who detest that site so I can't blame that at all. I never saw his 7part brag series, knew it existed but I'm not going to feed that. I just saw his flea market runs showing off systems and some toys. I tried early on asking which he went to and he got snotty like he owned the flea markets and refused to say so I did digging using the videos since background(hillsides, store signs) showed up and figured it out. Gamechasers in general is staged, you don't go to one flea market one weekend and in the same booth pay like $10 for both Flinstones 2 and Little Samson 2-3 years ago and get away with it. But the instance you're talking about came up over at NA and no he really is that shitty. People got fed up with him there, he came back months later to post once just to get a free news bit on their preforum load up page and then just straight vanished. He figured out no one would stroke his ego or not call him out on his garbage and left. I never caught real crap for going after him a bit, no one did, since it wasn't anything but the truth.

I know Pawn Stars is staged, all of it is to a degree, some more than others, but the value in a show like that unlike Pat's behavior is that you can see lots of historical and screwball items, learn a little about them and their general value so it has a fun aspect, same thing with the Pickers show. It's not like they really just walk up to peoples doors anymore and introduce themselves, most wouldn't be smiling they'd be paranoid with a camera in their face but it's for the look of things, but the junk piles are real as is their business.

[Steven]

I've heard a bit of this Pat guy, but largely unfamiliar. What's his deal?

And isn't he one of the new writers for Retro Magazine? I read somewhere that someone will no longer read Retro because it brought "Pat NES" (are we thinking the same dude here?) on board. That was like, wow... what did Pat NES ever do to get such hate? Clearly, I've been living under a rock here, lol, so I would appreciate cliff notes!

[Tanooki]

Yes that is the same Pat, it was a shocker to many he was given a job on the magazine. When I was at NA it came up and a lot of people who had interestin retro decided not to buy it or backed out of a subscription over it, myself included I didnt buy it but wanted to once. Just read what I said before, then google pat the nes punk and read up what people who aren
t his blind fans think of his stuff. He knows nothing as much as he claims, his mannerisms are annoying, hes just a huge ego that needs constant attention and will do whatever it takes to do it including getting on national tv for his 15 minutes, print and more, and can not take negative criticisms well. Since this really isnt the subject of this thread it maybe best to make another and maybe youll get some responses you seek.

I think though those who arent aware of that dark side there his podcasting and flea market trolling probably did bring a few of that20 something group into this mix too who never were in it before or forgot and started to care again. No matter how bad or good all the awareness keeps drawing in all ages.

[Gatucaman]

Gamechasers in general is staged, you don't go to one flea market one weekend and in the same booth pay like $10 for both Flinstones 2 and Little Samson 2-3 years ago and get away with it. But the instance you're talking about came up over at NA and no he really is that shitty. People got fed up with him there, he came back months later to post once just to get a free news bit on their pre-forum load up page and then just straight vanished. He figured out no one would stroke his ego or not call him out on his garbage and left. I never caught real crap for going after him a bit, no one did, since it wasn't anything but the truth.

I know Pawn Stars is staged, all of it is to a degree, some more than others, but the value in a show like that unlike Pat's behavior is that you can see lots of historical and screwball items, learn a little about them and their general value so it has a fun aspect, same thing with the Pickers show. It's not like they really just walk up to peoples doors anymore and introduce themselves, most wouldn't be smiling they'd be paranoid with a camera in their face but it's for the look of things, but the junk piles are real as is their business.


Is this for Real?, you'd think this had influence in the price abuse, due to people staging shit up?

i cant tell you for a fact that when i got my Panic restaurant at a good deal back in 2009 and my Ducktales 2 back in 2008, i wasn't staging shit nor trick in someone.

[Tupin]

I'd say "being so hostile to younger people interested in your hobby will only cause it to eventually wither and die," but I'm pretty sure that many would like that because it would mean once-rare games would sell for peanuts.

If it means anything, the next generation/the one coming up (oh boy, like mine!) was raised on the later PS1 era and early GCN era and tended to play games that had massive print runs.

[Tanooki]

Yup that's the one awesome thing about all the elistism that's turned me off and rotten behaviors, it's going to drive people off because there's far more good stuff out there or ways to get a copy without eating it on an original due to a small collective of douches and it'll drop the bottom out to some point eventually.

I've never made a brag video and I never will, it's pathetic. Yes Gatucaman what I wrote in that last post did happen.

[Gatucaman]

Yup that's the one awesome thing about all the elistism that's turned me off and rotten behaviors, it's going to drive people off because there's far more good stuff out there or ways to get a copy without eating it on an original due to a small collective of douches and it'll drop the bottom out to some point eventually.

I've never made a brag video and I never will, it's pathetic. Yes Gatucaman what I wrote in that last post did happen.

Are you sure the game chasers stage their finds?

Also, are they the kind of people who sun upon emulation and flashcarts and want to have the snobby attitude of, YOU MUST PAY FOR THE ORIGINAL CART, SUPPLY AND DEMAND!:grrr:

[Polygon]

How do you know they're all in their mid 20s? I'm 33 and everyone that meets me seems to think I'm still in my mid 20s. Regardless, who cares? I think it's cool they're into retro games. I have nieces and nephews, none of which are in their 20s yet, that like retro games. They always want to play when they come over.


Are you sure the game chasers stage their finds?

I've never seen people that make that accusation provide any proof. It really irritates me that people try to pass of their opinion as fact.

[Tanooki]

Well the discussion some time ago over at NA when Gamechasers came up took an interesting turn when people from TX and AK brought up their taping. I recall a differing type of situation where they'd scout out stuff and then film and supposedly bring things along or get tipped off to stuff so they could make an entertaining show of it. Considering they supposedly get pretty hot about it when asked about staging stuff I'd be inclined to think it's fixed. I don't live in their area so I can't say for certain the only thing I could was the bad behavior of Pat as he was.

[Polygon]

And that's fine, but it's all specultion. It's easy for people to make accusations without any proof. That's why it rubs me the wrong way. Then you have people repeating it as fact. Also, I don't care for the vast majority of opinions on NA. I've seen them make up a ton of bullshit just because someone didn't like the VGA and a lot of the more respected members are so tied up in that shit. I've even had it happen to me. So, I don't put much stock in what I hear from NA.

[Tanooki]

I don't hold faith in many of the opinion out of there anymore either as it's great self centered control freak stuff that keeps the personal values of stuff as high as possible while cutting the legs out of anyone or anything contradictory to it. But even then a den of hypocrites can be quite right depending on what you're looking into considering the level of pickiness. I agree on the VGA stuff, unless you blindly take faith in their unregulated mess of a service you're attacked or banned even when the questioning is non trolling and on the level.

[The Adventurer]

He's full of himself, I think it's actually a real psychological problem and not just bad acting. I've told it enough times in the last few years at NA, but I was in SD county, had a couple of flea market friends. One week I couldn't go out they went to Kobeys which is right where Pat lives and shoots much of those things (the other would be the Spring Valley flea from what I could see.) They that week found a TG16 and games, a couple other hot item Nintendo games and random stuff. Pat caught a glimpse of what these 2 total strangers had in their bags and started buddying up to them instantly with the usual raised voice and bugged out eyes routine you see on video. He was all over them kind of like a giggly japanese school girl playing 20 questions on where they got this, do they know what it is, how rare this or the value of that was. Ultimately he wanted to play photographer with them and try and get some hugging, propping up items and smiling shots. One friend wanted to choke him and wouldn't, the other did it just to get rid of him. They told me the weekend after about it and they were both creeped out someone was that messed up in the head to approach strangers like that and start fingering their bags and the goods inside trying to get at them to roll into photo montage garbage. I'd bring that one up on NA and it was around the time he'd get pissed off in threads and start tossing insults or just storming off quietly and stop posting...total cookie jar you got caught routine. I just can't respect someone that off their rocker who clearly has problems and likely needs medication since they have some imbalance going on there they must gravitate to items and people like that or they get depressed and shitty about it. I think all the videos and the rest that get done is to that end to satisfy whatever is wrong there so he feels better about himself since the attention gets focused there and not on someone or something else because when the attention is gone bitterness sets in then raging off elsewhere to get a fix. I think he knows a good deal about the old 8bit Nintendo stuff, but beyond that, it's grandstanding a good bit. He even went on Pawn Stars to show off the NWC carts (both) and then tried to ask well too much for them that he got turned down big time as it wasn't even close, again all for attention.
Your friends sound really antisocial.



I've never seen people that make that accusation provide any proof. It really irritates me that people try to pass of their opinion as fact.
TV shows like American picks do stage /reenact finds for TV. Since Game Chasers use shows like that for inspiration thier detractors believe they do the same thing. Those folks are just jaded

[Tanooki]

You got antisocial out of that? I take it if you had no clue who Pat was what so ever, and that a total stranger approached you, bouncing around, asking a heap of questions, trying to pull stuff out of your bag at a flea while trying to take pictures with your stuff like fisherman with their catch on the line while doing like over the shoulder hugs you would be totally cool and 'social' about that? If that works for you that's good, it would creep me the hell out.

[The Adventurer]

That's pretty typical 'excited and curious' behavior IMO. Some people are just more comfortable approaching strangers to make them not strangers any more. Sharing a common interest is a good way to break ice. Your friend whom 'wanted to strangle' is the one overreacting, not Pat.

[JSoup]

That's pretty typical 'excited and curious' behavior IMO.

That doesn't make it socially acceptable or not creepy.

[Gatucaman]

I don't hold faith in many of the opinion out of there anymore either as it's great self centered control freak stuff that keeps the personal values of stuff as high as possible while cutting the legs out of anyone or anything contradictory to it. But even then a den of hypocrites can be quite right depending on what you're looking into considering the level of pickiness. I agree on the VGA stuff, unless you blindly take faith in their unregulated mess of a service you're attacked or banned even when the questioning is non trolling and on the level.

Honestly tough, there only 3 honest things i came upon at NA were:

1.- making your own collection database for organization
2.- the NTSC reproduction patch for the PAL version of Gimmick!
3.- that thread when i learn you can take certain shitty games like Home Alone 2 and use them as donor boards for "surgery performance" on good NES games, (if only i knew how to solder, i could perform surgery on my copies of Kickle CUbicle and Gargoyle's Quest 2, since their motherboards had some pretty bad dirt rusty specs, the games still work for now..........)

[The Adventurer]

That doesn't make it socially acceptable or not creepy.

Maybe if you're an introvert put off by human contact.

[JSoup]

Maybe if you're an introvert put off by human contact.

Go out into public, find some random people and bound on up to them like a school girl. Start pawing through their things and requesting images.
Then come back and tell me if they A. Smiled and said "Yeah, ok, let's do some stuff" or B. Decided to be introverted and tell you to fuck off.
I'll wait.

[RP2A03]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_space

[ZeroCool]

Go out into public, find some random people and bound on up to them like a school girl. Start pawing through their things and requesting images.
Then come back and tell me if they A. Smiled and said "Yeah, ok, let's do some stuff" or B. Decided to be introverted and tell you to fuck off.
I'll wait.

Lol this pretty much.

[Gameguy]

Some people are just more comfortable approaching strangers to make them not strangers any more.
They're usually called pedophiles.


Why would you want to irk an 11 year member for having a different opinion? So I prefer watching YouTube videos from gamers my age. Get over it. Hell, I prefer watching videos from 50 year olds, because those are the guys I will really learn from. Even 40 year olds were infants or unborn during some of the first generation of gaming. But the key word is prefer. I subscribe to over 30 Channels. Age range is probably early 20's to 55.
If only that's what you actually said. Instead, you outright said you dislike videos on video games produced by anyone under 40. Why? Because they weren't old enough to play it as a child when they first came out. As if playing a game at release automatically makes you more knowledgeable than someone who played it years later. Maybe you meant prefer but that's not what you said.


You know what I don't like? Listening to YouTubers who have classic gaming channels that are under 40. The AVGN comes to mind. He was such a basic gamer in 1990. He probably never even heard of a TurboGrafx or Neo-Geo until years later. Pat the NES Punk is another kid who sometimes irks me.



I know some who take it as an insult. Almost all who do are 18-30 though.
I guess it is kind of weird how the people who get offended the most are usually the people the insults are aimed at. Just odd how that works out with offensive or impolite speech. Probably unintentional like other Archie Bunkerisms rather than intended to offend.


And with all this age talk, how about posting your own age? I always thought you were over 30 all these years.
I'm sure I mentioned my age at some point during my time here on the forum, but I'm currently 26.


Go out into public, find some random people and bound on up to them like a school girl. Start pawing through their things and requesting images.
Then come back and tell me if they A. Smiled and said "Yeah, ok, let's do some stuff" or B. Decided to be introverted and tell you to fuck off.
I'll wait.
I've had people do things like this to me at thrift stores. And once while I was waiting by a coffee shop for someone from craigslist some random guy came up talking about random stuff, starts touching my bike, tries to hug me, and keeps staring at the sky. Pretty sure he was high on something. Of course I couldn't just leave until this person from craigslist showed up so it was pretty awkward.

[Tanooki]

That's pretty typical 'excited and curious' behavior IMO. Some people are just more comfortable approaching strangers to make them not strangers any more. Sharing a common interest is a good way to break ice. Your friend whom 'wanted to strangle' is the one overreacting, not Pat.


That doesn't make it socially acceptable or not creepy.

Adventurer, I get what you're saying, but the quote above was basically how it was perceived. Very creepy. You seem to have a broken view on personal space and socially acceptable behavior between two complete strangers.


Gatucaman, pretty accurate list. There is a good technical aspect to the site on how to fix things, though sometimes I did wonder why it was ok to chop up that horrible home alone 2, yet other similar jobs were not as things have very fine lines. The other plus there is the dying sense of community there overall, not just the clique community that have purged much of it. Not too long before I was wrongly shoved out one mod JD surprised me with a free gift in the mail. After trying to find a gray 'Im Kid Dracula' "repro" for over a year with no luck, he was getting rid of stuff and had one, just tossed it in the mail with a small personal note and gave it to me without any prompting or prodding from me or I doubt anyone else. I miss that aspect of the site as it was a lot more sunshine and rainbows the farther back in time you go there. Thanks to seeing their chop shop work there I felt comfortable enough earlier this year to buy a soldering iron and put a new battery into my dead Crystalis NES cart which is great again.

[Alianger]

I think I'd have to see a video of that to judge it fairly; people react differently when there's a camera involved.

[Zap!]

I was surprised to hear that HappyConsoleGamer is 40 but apparently he is, he looks and acts way younger. MetalJesusRocks is pretty good and is over 40, though he used to work for Sierra so he's kind of in the industry. There are several older guys making videos, but most are much younger. If you're watching videos they're mostly going to be by younger guys. I'm not familiar with the other people you've mentioned.

I am in shock learning that ReviewTechUSA is 32. I honestly thought he was close to 50.

[Emperor Megas]

I am in shock learning that ReviewTechUSA is 32. I honestly thought he was close to 50.I guess he looks close to that, but honestly, I figured he was even younger than 32 after I saw BigCheeseKIT's video about Rich ripping him off and getting really juvenile in the text exchanges. ^_^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYeoX2wP_2s

Thankfully, they've since resolved the issue. Well, I read they did anyway. I hope so, because I sort of like his channel, even though he gets a little crotchety.

[WelcomeToTheNextLevel]

I am 22 and started collecting at 13, just after my birthday. I was born at the height of the 16 bit era (Sega Genesis, SNES generation). I got into retro game collecting through Wikipedia, of all things. I have consoles and games as old as the Channel F. The oldest system and game I got when I was 13 was the Atari 2600 and Combat. So I had a game that was over twice my age at the time. I got into collecting for all generations except the 1st generation (PONG clones). That means Atari 2600, NES, Genesis, SNES, PlayStation, N64, PS2, and many other systems spread from 1976-2013. So I was born in 1992 and have systems and games as old as 1976.

For me it was a combination of Wikipedia, Asperger's Syndrome, and general historical interest. Even if you weren't around to experience them, these systems and games are interesting from a historical perspective.

I have 4 full shelves with retro video games (PS2 and earlier) with the games organized by system release date. Each shelf probably holds, oh, 150 games. Shelf 1 is Channel F, Atari 2600, Odyssey 2, Intellivision, ColecoVision, Atari 5200, and Atari 7800. Every one of the games on that shelf are older than I am. Every system in that list was dead before my birth. I think the oldest game on that shelf is 1976 and newest is about 1988. To put that into perspective, the first 2014 Honda Accord I ever rode in (in June 2014 I might add) was driven by someone born in 1988. Shelf 2 is NES, Master System, Turbo Grafx 16, and Genesis. I believe these games range from about 1985-1996. Most of these games are older than me, there are 5 levels per shelf and NES takes up about 1 3/4 levels, then Master System another 1 3/4 for a total of 3 1/2. My NES game count is slightly higher than my SMS game count but some of the NES games are loose and all of my SMS games are CIB so they each take more space. The vast majority (85-90%) of my NES games are older than me, as are all but one of my SMS games (the exception being a Euro import game) and all 5 of my TG-16 games. Genesis is about 40-50% games older than me and 50-60% younger than me, I would say. The Genesis lasted about 8 years and I was born about 3 years, 3 months in.
Shelf 3 is Genesis, Game Gear, SNES, Sega CD, 3DO, Jaguar, and Saturn. Half is CIB Genesis games (again, 40-50% older than me). The SNES is probably 20% games that are older than me, 80% games younger than me. Game Gear I think is mostly younger than me too. I think once I get to the Sega CD (bottom level of shelf 3) and later all the games are younger than me. Shelf 3 games are 1989-1997.
Shelf 4 is Saturn, boxed 3DO (goof on my part), PS1, N64, Dreamcast, PS2, GCN, Xbox, DS, PSP, and Xbox 360. About 1994-2008. All of these games are younger than me.
Shelf 1 is 100% older, 2 80%, 3 40% and 4 0%. My newer games are in other areas, so probably about half of my collection is older than I am, December 1992. This percentage will shrink in coming years as I am sending collection dollars toward Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3 to get the best bang for my buck. Mid-Late 2000s games are really cheap now.