HD Retrovision High Definition Super Nintendo & Sega Genesis Component Cables

[kai123]

http://www.hdretrovision.com/


Seems cool depending on price. I am about to SCART all of my consoles and saw this on Retrocollect.

[Tanooki]

I saw that brought up yesterday. It's a fantastic cable. Whatever they did figuring out the mess that is RCA cables to bring that much clarity to an old system is just fantastic. I imagine due to the Nintendo multi-av out standard it likely will work with the N64 and dispel the need for that overpriced Gamecube cable possibly too. Still in the end, it will depend how friendly your LED tv is to that kind of cabling but it looks good. I just wish they'd put a price to it already.

[bb_hood]

If you get a scart box you can get scart cables for more than just super nintendo and sega genesis, so if these cables are pricey it might not be worth it. With a scart box you could then get scart cables for dreamcast, saturn, ps1/ps2, turbo duo, n64, and mini snes (although the mini snes, duo and N64 require mods).

[theclaw]

I saw that brought up yesterday. It's a fantastic cable. Whatever they did figuring out the mess that is RCA cables to bring that much clarity to an old system is just fantastic. I imagine due to the Nintendo multi-av out standard it likely will work with the N64 and dispel the need for that overpriced Gamecube cable possibly too. Still in the end, it will depend how friendly your LED tv is to that kind of cabling but it looks good. I just wish they'd put a price to it already.

This won't work on N64 or Gamecube.

It's based on a micro-sized RGB to component encoder. http://www.hdretrovision.com/blog/2014/9/27/the-component-cable-difference

[Pikkon]

Also most of hd tv's will not support 240p over component.


If you modded a n64 for rgb there cable should work,also a pal gamecube should work as well as it outputs rgb out of the box.

[RP2A03]

I imagine due to the Nintendo multi-av out standard it likely will work with the N64 and dispel the need for that overpriced Gamecube cable possibly too.

The cables are taking an analog RGB signal and converting it to YPbPr. The N64 and SNES 2 do not output RGB without modification, and only the PAL GCN will output RGB. The GCN digital output sends out a digital signal that is then converted to YPbPr by a proprietary chip built into the cable.

[Tupin]

Wouldn't a Sony PVM with real RGB be better than this?

[wizardofwor1975]

http://www.hdretrovision.com/


Seems cool depending on price. I am about to SCART all of my consoles and saw this on Retrocollect.

I'm in. I'd love to play games on my Genny like Sunset Riders, Golden Axe, and Battletech with that kinda vid quality. Thanks for the link. :)

[Leo_A]

This won't work on Gamecube.

Even if it could, I doubt it would've been able to be utilized with 480p thanks to the video encoder that converts the digital signal to analog being embedded into the GCN's component cable instead of the system itself.

Edit: I really need to get out of the habit of replying before finishing reading a thread...

[Tanooki]

Well that clears that up, have zero interest in it. My stock SNES already looks sharp by sheer luck of it on the TV I have without that fuzzy blur in their examples and with it doing nothing to help the other systems I wouldn't take a free one. ;) More power to anyone who wants it and could benefit though.

[Leo_A]

Will this erase the quality differences between different Genesis revisions and their video encoders?

And when connected to a 32X, will Genesis games output as they would if the cable was connected to the console directly? Or does the crossover cable not carry the RGB signals over to the 32X?

[Niku-Sama]

I imagine that they're would be differences. Not all rgb encoders are going to look the same but at the same time the differences might not be noticeable.

[MachineGex]

Gotta wonder what the price is gonna be..... $19.99? $24.99? $29.99???

[Leo_A]

Hopefully no more than that.

I'm definitely in for both, especially the Genesis version. I'm quite happy with S-Video on my SuperNes connected to my Trinitron, but I'll spring for that one as well and upgrade.

[Gentlegamer]

So these cables plug into the existing AV port and use an inline encoder to output component video?

[theclaw]

So these cables plug into the existing AV port and use an inline encoder to output component video?

Yes.

The method will help several RGB systems lacking component:
SNES 1
Master System 1
Genesis & 32X (most models except Wondermega or Laseractive)
Saturn
Jaguar
PS1
Dreamcast (non-VGA mode)
Neo Geo AES & CD

[Niku-Sama]

I think you should add an asterix to the SNES model 1 listing up there Mr.TheClaw (sorry you may or may not be Mr. but Mr.TheClaw sounded cool to me for some reason posting at 4:30am)

because! some of the model one SNES systems can have component with a rather simple mod and its a direct out, no encoders no nothing.
ALTHOUGH! I realize some of us are lazy here and might not want to hunt down that specific model OR even pop it open to solder some wires and drill some holes in that system but the option is still there

[Greg2600]

The biggest issue I think people could have is that your HDTV won't fully accept the 240p over component. I've experienced this, which is why I went with all-SCART and a video upscaler (RGB to HDMI).

[Gentlegamer]

The biggest issue I think people could have is that your HDTV won't fully accept the 240p over component. I've experienced this, which is why I went with all-SCART and a video upscaler (RGB to HDMI).

If these work like demonstrated for a fairly wide range of systems, it's motive for me to go hunting for a good CRT with component. We'll see what the price is, but I like an easier non-mod way to improve video output.

[theclaw]

Will this erase the quality differences between different Genesis revisions and their video encoders?

And when connected to a 32X, will Genesis games output as they would if the cable was connected to the console directly? Or does the crossover cable not carry the RGB signals over to the 32X?

Very much so. I'm not sure of the exact extent. RGB hasn't been compared between revisions as thoroughly.

32X can output RGB, but input is mandatory. "Genesis to 32X" cables are in fact RGB cables.

[Gatucaman]

http://www.hdretrovision.com/


Seems cool depending on price. I am about to SCART all of my consoles and saw this on Retrocollect.

From the site


NOTE: Our component cables only output Standard Definition video. No High Definition signals are directly available through our cables. See our FAQ for more details.

Yeah, no Misleading bait scam or anything gaiisss:pimp:

[Leo_A]

They seem to be positioning this primarily for those playing on HDTV's, despite the fact that most late model CRT's manufactured in the 2000's had component inputs (Even small budget 13" sets). In that context, I don't think it's misleading or trying to imply that this will deliver an HD picture to your tv from your Sega Genesis or Super Nintendo.

But it will deliver a picture that will be superior and more suitable for upscaling to HD.

[theclaw]

The elephant in the room is HDTV models that don't accept 240p from component.

[Tanooki]

I thought all modern TVs still had a set of plugs in back that did handle the 240p signal. The one I got back in March handles it quite nicely.

[Eternal Champion]

How exactly can they get Ypbpr component video from the composite output? Unless there's magic in the aether that I was not aware of, the original video signal is already degraded, as chrominence and luminence are combined. The only way to get component video from these consoles is to take the RGB signal and convert it, which is not something a cable can do.
I smell snake oil.

[Gentlegamer]

I thought all modern TVs still had a set of plugs in back that did handle the 240p signal. The one I got back in March handles it quite nicely.
I think the problem is many TVs don't accept low res through VGA. My cheap Visio can display old systems through composite (with bad lag), but won't accept Dreamcast through VGA because the resolution is too low. I don't know how component video would play into it.

[Tanooki]

I could see that with the VGA. I have a 29" Vizio LED I got earlier this year, bought it due to the amazing low lag rating it got on displaylag.com falling barely over the double priced Sony which has extra chips to defeat lag for gamers. It was only $250 and handles the old and new just magnificently.

[RP2A03]

The elephant in the room is HDTV models that don't accept 240p from component.

They claim that the problem "is becoming increasingly rare with newer sets". It is, however, a moot point for those of us who still use CRTs.


The only way to get component video from these consoles is to take the RGB signal and convert it, which is not something a cable can do.

It can if it has an encoder chip embedded inside which can be powered by the 5v output provided by the AV jack.

[Leo_A]

They claim that the problem "is becoming increasingly rare with newer sets". It is, however, a moot point for those of us who still use CRTs.

And for those playing on modern HDTV's that want the best possible picture quality, I'd argue that it's also not really much of a real problem.

Many have already upgraded their HDTV once or twice at this point to something more modern and less likely to have this problem as scalers have become more robust (And it was never anywhere close to a universal issue... I remember plenty of people posting that they were able to play Ico on their PS2 via component to their HDTV just fine every time someone popped up with a question about what was going on when they couldn't get a picture on their new tv 8-10 years ago).

And getting the best picture possible out of your classic console is something nobody will ever get close to just with the built-in scaling chip of their tv via a composite video connection. For those considering such a cable as this with their modern HDTV in mind and have high video standards, they likely either already own something like the XRGB Mini, or it's at least on their wishlist along with accessories like these.

[Eternal Champion]

It can if it has an encoder chip embedded inside which can be powered by the 5v output provided by the AV jack.Well OK. Besides that, I must be missing something - I just don't see how it's possible from a composite signal.

[Leo_A]

The pins on the multi-out video port aren't just outputting composite video, that's how. :)

[Eternal Champion]

The pins on the multi-out video port aren't just outputting composite video, that's how. :)
Ah, OK, the cable takes the RGB video signals. Right, cuz the Genesis and SNES natively output those. Nevermind, I'm dumb.
If their cable can really do that, that's pretty awesome.
I had my Genesis modded for YPbPr 3+ years ago, and there's a bit of electronics involved. This cable still sounds too good to be true, but again, if they can put the required circuitry into a cable, good on them.

For what it's worth, my Genesis looks shite on my Samsung 1080p HDTV via YPbPr. It can display it just fine, but the colors are weird. I just got a cheap CRT with YPbPr inputs and said the hell with it.

[theclaw]

For what it's worth, my Genesis looks shite on my Samsung 1080p HDTV via YPbPr. It can display it just fine, but the colors are weird. I just got a cheap CRT with YPbPr inputs and said the hell with it.

Yup as I was saying about TVs that don't accept 240p component. Even if they will via RF, composite, and s-video.

The worst sets just flip out with a "signal not found" error. No sign apparent to the user, of any effort what so ever to process the signal.

[Gentlegamer]

Now that I'll seriously be looking for a CRT component video option, what CRT model should I look for best quality? I generally know Sony Wega, but I've seen some specific models recommended.

[Greg2600]

Very much so. I'm not sure of the exact extent. RGB hasn't been compared between revisions as thoroughly.

32X can output RGB, but input is mandatory. "Genesis to 32X" cables are in fact RGB cables.

Correct, though you'd have to wait for them to offer a model 2 Genesis "HD Cable." Bad thing is the model 1 HD cable they offer is mono not stereo. Should have made it with a 3.5mm feed to the front headphone jack.


They claim that the problem "is becoming increasingly rare with newer sets". It is, however, a moot point for those of us who still use CRTs.

It can if it has an encoder chip embedded inside which can be powered by the 5v output provided by the AV jack.

From my experience it's a crapshoot. I've seen low-end small HDTV's accept 240p over component while high end large size will not. I myself have had a Genesis work, SMS not work. All CRT's should be fine though. If the cables are cheap enough, it's worth the gamble. Maybe they could keep/update a database of HDTV's and user results.


Now that I'll seriously be looking for a CRT component video option, what CRT model should I look for best quality? I generally know Sony Wega, but I've seen some specific models recommended.

Most Sony Wega's are fine. You don't want to go TOO new, because they began producing HD CRT's, and those won't work with light guns/old 3d glasses. Frankly, I would just hunt down a cheap, clean set that has a couple component inputs, s-video, etc. Make sure the picture is still vibrant. We have a Samsung CRT 27" in the basement, and the picture is beautiful on it. I would get a 27 incher, 32 is really really big, cannot be carried easily.

[CRTGAMER]

Now that I'll seriously be looking for a CRT component video option, what CRT model should I look for best quality? I generally know Sony Wega, but I've seen some specific models recommended.
Most Sony Wega's are fine. You don't want to go TOO new, because they began producing HD CRT's, and those won't work with light guns/old 3d glasses. Frankly, I would just hunt down a cheap, clean set that has a couple component inputs, s-video, etc. Make sure the picture is still vibrant. We have a Samsung CRT 27" in the basement, and the picture is beautiful on it. I would get a 27 incher, 32 is really really big, cannot be carried easily.
Actually, the HDCRT (I use HDCRT WEGAs) would be the better choice to guarantee 480p and all the way up to 1080i. Even 240p/480i signals look great on a HDCRT if you don't need use of a retro Lightgun. A loss of the scan lines, but the picture is very sharp and clear even on the older consoles.

Be careful, many Wega models and other brands have Component inputs but only support 480i. There are some ED models that do support 480p and no higher, these will only work with certain Lightguns such as the Guncon 2 that has a 480p option. For the HDTVs there are some games such as Wii House of the Dead that work very well with the "Lightgun Wiimotes".

[Tanooki]

Kind of on topic worth mentioning with this whole CRT, HDCRT, flat panel discussion and gun games being thrown around as not working. Hyperkin the other day put a post up with a poll with 5 options. One of them is that they'd like to do a NES Zapper like gun that works on a modern TV. I'd very much welcome this.

[CRTGAMER]

Kind of on topic worth mentioning with this whole CRT, HDCRT, flat panel discussion and gun games being thrown around as not working. Hyperkin the other day put a post up with a poll with 5 options. One of them is that they'd like to do a NES Zapper like gun that works on a modern TV. I'd very much welcome this.

I don't see how it is possible since the retro lightgun reads the scanlines of a SD CRT. This is different then trying to read the individual pixels of LCDs and LEDs. Still, it would be interesting if there were a way such as the work around the Guncon 3 with light belts. Although that is a completly different approach that senses separate lights such as the Wiimote. Perhaps a new lightgun with a lightbar might be sold by Hyperkin with the retro lightgun games coded thru the emulation built in the console firmware update?

[FABombjoy]

Correct, though you'd have to wait for them to offer a model 2 Genesis "HD Cable."
I'm wondering if Sega's use of 3 different possible RGB encoder circuits in the Genesis 2 will make / is making this difficult.

[Leo_A]

I don't see how it is possible since the retro lightgun reads the scanlines of a SD CRT.

As you said, it couldn't utilize original lightguns.

Just like you're already thinking, it would have to be something happening at the emulation layer of the Retron 5 just like how you can utilize your mouse in PC emulators with NES Zapper games to move an on-screen aiming reticle, translating that signal to the appropriate one for the game to correctly understand.

That calls for their own proprietary controller setup like a Wii remote style deal shaped like a gun along with a sensor bar with IR lights on it.

[Greg2600]

I'm wondering if Sega's use of 3 different possible RGB encoder circuits in the Genesis 2 will make / is making this difficult.

Wouldn't know, but I'm pretty sure those who use a SCART solution on the Genesis II don't have issues.


Actually, the HDCRT (I use HDCRT WEGAs) would be the better choice to guarantee 480p and all the way up to 1080i. Even 240p/480i signals look great on a HDCRT if you don't need use of a retro Lightgun. A loss of the scan lines, but the picture is very sharp and clear even on the older consoles.

Be careful, many Wega models and other brands have Component inputs but only support 480i. There are some ED models that do support 480p and no higher, these will only work with certain Lightguns such as the Guncon 2 that has a 480p option. For the HDTVs there are some games such as Wii House of the Dead that work very well with the "Lightgun Wiimotes".

Some people never use them, but I personally use light guns and Segascope 3d glasses, so I can't lose that functionality. Yes it won't be true 480p but I can live with it.

[Tanooki]

Unless I remembered it wrong I said 'NES Zapper like' as in something that looks like it but can somehow use the old games like Duck Hunt on a modern system. Maybe they plan some accessory for the Retron5, I have no idea, and they're gauging interest. I just know I clicked on that one, and then the new faceplates for gb micro too.

[Gentlegamer]

I'll be looking for a component CRT tv with a curved screen to maintain full retro compatibility.

[RP2A03]

I'll be looking for a component CRT tv with a curved screen to maintain full retro compatibility.

As long as it is SD, a good flat tube will not only retain full compatability but will have better geometry as well.

[Gentlegamer]

As long as it is SD, a good flat tube will not only retain full compatability but will have better geometry as well.

I've heard flat tubes mess up light guns.

[Tanooki]

I never had an issue using a zapper or the sms light phaser on a 29" Sony WEGA which was my last TV until I got my first flat panel LCD in the mid 00s.

[RP2A03]

I've heard flat tubes mess up light guns.

As long as it is SD, it will work just fine. Doing a quick Google search, I can't believe just how prevalent this myth is. It doesn't even make sense, although, it has been suggested that VSM could be a problem. At least that sounds plausible.

[Einzelherz]

While this setup would be cleaner than the rgb-component box and cables I spent months sorting out, I don't assume it'll be any different. I do hope they intend to use better quality jacks than what the early revision photos show.

But if they could manage this for ~$25 a cable, I think there would be a landrush.

[Gentlegamer]

As long as it is SD, it will work just fine. Doing a quick Google search, I can't believe just how prevalent this myth is. It doesn't even make sense, although, it has been suggested that VSM could be a problem. At least that sounds plausible.

James Rolfe has said his flat CRT doesn't work with light guns.

[FoxHack]

I have many flat CRT's and the only ones I have found that consistently work with light guns are Sony TV's. YMMV though

[RP2A03]

James Rolfe has said his flat CRT doesn't work with light guns.

I just tried the zapper on my flat tube and it works perfectly, VSM on or not. It is a JVC I'Art AV-27F734.

[Polygon]

They now have the Kickstarter up and it's going to be $35 per cable. I think that's pretty good considering the difference, especially on the Genesis. To even come close you would have to mod the Genesis for s-video which is a PITA or get a SCART cable and a converter which will cost about twice what this cable will and can also be a slight PITA. AS for the SNES you have the same issue with SCART cables and converters and if you want a first party s-video cable it will cost you at least $40.

For $35 a cable, they can shut up and take my money. I pledged for three cables. And what's even better is that the model 1 genesis cable will work with the model 1 SMS as well. The model 2 will work with the 32X and the Nomad as well as the JVC X-Eye and CDX. The SNES cable will work only with the model 1 SNES, but if you mod the model 2 or your N64 for RGB it will work with those as well.

On top of it all, if this is successful they will move on to other cables. Like the expensive ass component cable for the GameCube. I think anyone that plays on these consoles should consider supporting this. I think this is great.


Well OK. Besides that, I must be missing something - I just don't see how it's possible from a composite signal.

You are.

The cable isn't using the composite signal. The Genesis model 1 and 2 and the model 1 SNES output RGB natively. The cable is taking that RGB signal and transcoding it via a chip inside the cable. This is all explained very well on their site.

[the_importer]

Question remains, if you mod an AV Famicom or N64 for RGB, can you use the SNES component cables that these guys are making?

[Pikkon]

Yes you could but I think each cable is made specificity for each system,might get mixed results on a rgb modded fami or n64.

And Polygon,only a pal gamecube can output rgb,so using one of the those cable on a jpn or US gamecube wont work at all,they can only output composite,s-video and component.

[the_importer]

Yes you could but I think each cable is made specificity for each system,might get mixed results on a rgb modded fami or n64.

And Polygon,only a pal gamecube can output rgb,so using one of the those cable on a jpn or US gamecube wont work at all,they can only output composite,s-video and component.

You're probably right, I wouldn't waste money on this at $35 a pop.

[Polygon]

Yes you could but I think each cable is made specificity for each system,might get mixed results on a rgb modded fami or n64.

And Polygon,only a pal gamecube can output rgb,so using one of the those cable on a jpn or US gamecube wont work at all,they can only output composite,s-video and component.

I know that. That's not what I'm saying when talking about the GameCube. I'm saying that they're hinting at reproducing the expensive component cables used on the digital port and making them more affordable.

[Pikkon]

Think there's someone else working on a cheap solution for the gamecube component cable.

I think it's just insane how expensive these cables are considering are how cheap a wii is.

[theclaw]

Clearly wii hardware is different enough to keep people from tanking the value on GC component cables by gutting chips from wiis.

[Leo_A]

Would be nice to see a cheap GameCube component cable.

Despite the Wii, component video support for the Game Boy Player is a selling point (And it even outputs at 480p). And I suspect some would also like to return to playing GameCube games on their GameCube, with no need to have a Wii remote out just to start a game thanks to Nintendo's failure to include a boot to disc option at system start-up (Although I hear that homebrewers have resolved this for those willing to investigate).

Especially if they're like me and have moved to playing their Wii games on their Wii U thanks to its upscaling capabilities and automatic handling of aspect ratios (Instead of you having to manually turn stretch mode on and off as appropriate with your tv remote).

[Greg2600]

Question remains, if you mod an AV Famicom or N64 for RGB, can you use the SNES component cables that these guys are making?

I can't answer for them, but I can't see why not? I have a well shielded SCART cable that I use on the SNES, RGB N64, and the expensively modded RGB NES. I also think they need to shield their cables more, those look kind of thin.


Think there's someone else working on a cheap solution for the gamecube component cable.

I think it's just insane how expensive these cables are considering are how cheap a wii is.

Not to my knowledge. The work that's been done has been to install a board into the Gamecube.

[kai123]

For the Gamecube component crowd someone is working on it.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51450

[Greg2600]

For the Gamecube component crowd someone is working on it.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51450

I'm aware of that one, followed on gc-forever's forum (http://www.gc-forever.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2500&start=72). It's open source, but no one is making anything retail. You have to order the PCB, and wire everything yourself.

[WCP]

Wouldn't a Sony PVM with real RGB be better than this?

yep.



I've got a rgb to component transcoder, the Kramer FC-14. It will take analog RGB and convert it to component, but the thing that many people don't take into consideration, is that sometimes the resolution that these systems put out, can't be recognized by certain modern day HDTV's. I have a Samsung plasma that won't sync with certain old school resolutions.

Also, sometimes the screen aspect ratio thing can be off a bit whenever you try to convert analog RGB to component.

[y9784]

I just tried the zapper on my flat tube and it works perfectly, VSM on or not. It is a JVC I'Art AV-27F734.

Well, I've tried a NES zapper and a Dreamcast light gun by Madcatz on my Samsung flat CRT. Neither work. That myth is no myth. Some flat screens are actually regular round screens with a flat glass in front of the tube. Are you sure that isn't the type you have?

[the_importer]

I have a 27" flat screen SONY Trinitron. No problems with the NES Zapper, SMS Light Gun or my Saturn Stunner Guns.

[RP2A03]

Well, I've tried a NES zapper and a Dreamcast light gun by Madcatz on my Samsung flat CRT. Neither work. That myth is no myth. Some flat screens are actually regular round screens with a flat glass in front of the tube. Are you sure that isn't the type you have?

My tube is indeed flat.

Could you please give me the model of your TV and the effects of having VSM on and off. Also, are you connected directly to the TV? I am trying to compile a compatibility list. http://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?172448-Flat-Tube-Light-Gun-Support-List.



I have a 27" flat screen SONY Trinitron. No problems with the NES Zapper, SMS Light Gun or my Saturn Stunner Guns.


Could we have details about your TV as well so that I may add it to my list?

[Leo_A]

Will Sega CD output work correctly with this cable? Don't see it mentioned on their site.

[theclaw]

Will Sega CD output work correctly with this cable? Don't see it mentioned on their site.

It should. Sega CD has no external video output, it's mixed inside the Genesis.

[the_importer]

Could we have details about your TV as well so that I may add it to my list?

It's this thing here: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/oxandcow/

[RP2A03]

It's this thing here: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/oxandcow/

I need a model number in order to add it to the list. It is located on the back and will be something like KV-27FS13. Also, do you have VSM turned on? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

[y9784]

My tube is indeed flat.

Could you please give me the model of your TV and the effects of having VSM on and off. Also, are you connected directly to the TV? I am trying to compile a compatibility list. http://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?172448-Flat-Tube-Light-Gun-Support-List.

Could we have details about your TV as well so that I may add it to my list?

That task of yours is daunting but worthy for those who want to hold onto or acquire these monsters.

Samsung TSL2795HF 27" DynaFlat EDTV

When playing, the systems were connected directly to the inputs on the back. No selector / switcher was used. NES went to composite. Dreamcast went to composite or s-video.

As far as I know, there is no option for VSM. This is a really early 2000 TV and I don't believe that was even an option on most TVs then, but I could be wrong.

[RP2A03]

Samsung TSL2795HF 27" DynaFlat EDTV

You have an EDTV, or enhanced definition television. These TVs display everything at 480p, and are just as incompatible with most light guns as HDTVs.

[homerhomer]

I'm in for one but I can't decide which one. So choices for Sega Genesis are Model 1 or Model 2. If I get the model 1, I can't use my 32x. If I get the model 2, I can't use the SMS base converter. Right now I'm currently leaning more towards the model one, that way if my 32x takes a dive I can still use it. This "first world problem" is tough.

Any opinions? I have about the same number of game for my 32x and SMS.

[Gentlegamer]

I'm in for one but I can't decide which one. So choices for Sega Genesis are Model 1 or Model 2. If I get the model 1, I can't use my 32x. If I get the model 2, I can't use the SMS base converter. Right now I'm currently leaning more towards the model one, that way if my 32x takes a dive I can still use it. This "first world problem" is tough.

Any opinions? I have about the same number of game for my 32x and SMS.

32x works with model 1, and you can "mod" the PBC to work with the Model 2 by busting off the back plastic.

Model 1 is the better model.

ProTip: using a 32x with either model of Genesis will greatly improve the video out, as it uses its own superior video encoder even for Genesis games.

[wizardofwor1975]

I'm in for one but I can't decide which one. So choices for Sega Genesis are Model 1 or Model 2. If I get the model 1, I can't use my 32x. If I get the model 2, I can't use the SMS base converter. Right now I'm currently leaning more towards the model one, that way if my 32x takes a dive I can still use it. This "first world problem" is tough.

Any opinions? I have about the same number of game for my 32x and SMS.

IMHO there's only one way to go, your going to have to get the model one to play your SMS games.
I love my Genny model 1 and I use the power base converter to play my SMS carts too. ;)