Bungie just slapped Destiny owners in the face with a bungie cord with Destiny

[Tanooki]

Here's the source: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2014/12/dont_have_destinys_first_expansion_then_youre_lock ed_out_of_some_existing_content

Long story short -- when they just put out the other day a new DLC package, they took away content people who bought the base game had access to and must now pay a fee (the DLC) to get it back. The Heroic and Nightly strikes are now only for DLC expansion pack owners, formerly for all. The snipe is worse as they're the two best ways to gather rare goods and and items including cryptarch engram rewards to get the better/best gear of the game to properly level your guardian to handle the actual game at the later levels offered. Now it's turned into a slog, much like a microtransaction tablet game where you can take months or days buying added gems to get the content.

I'm looking at likely now selling off Destiny as I find this repulsive. I shouldn't have parts of a game I paid full retail for snatched away if I don't pay them more money to re-enable it.

[kai123]

I am so glad I skipped Destiny. I played the beta for about 5 hours and it got boring so I cancelled my preorder.

[ZP3]

Destiny sucks. That is all.

[Tanooki]

I wish I hadn't found the story about the game compelling because while it is there, so much gets in the way of just slowing it down to the point of annoyance that it could have been far greater with what I said before -- easy open chat to setup parties to go on the hunt. I've got 6 other good PS4 games aside from it, hardly a loss. I intend to sooner than later add Rayman Legends and COD Ghosts to it replacing the WiiU copies I had.

[ProjectCamaro]

I refuse to buy a game that requires you to be online. Like most here I collect and like to come back and play the,later, these games have a time limit u til the servers shut down and they are absolutely junk. No thanks!

[Jorpho]

Destiny sucks. That is all.EVERYTHING is TERRIBLE.

[Gentlegamer]

This is just gross. Things like this are why I am dragging my feat joining the current gen.

[ZP3]

I've loved my PS4, except for Destiny. Caused me to reevaluate what kinds of games I will allow myself to buy...it was a horribly repetitive game with nothing even close to an open world.

[Tanooki]

Destiny is making me more careful buying stuff too. I even ignored the media and went for the buyers who liked it as that tends not to fail, it did this time because it took weeks for the shine to wear off and expose the turd under the surface polish. Stuff like this makes me run more and more away from buying new games when they're new and more into waiting a month or however long it takes for a 20% or more price cut. Then of course you have some franchises that milk the hell out of DLC where some of it is actually functionally useful to the main game (like Mass Effect 2) so you would be wise to wait on a game of the year compilation when they give up nickel and diming people. It seems you can still get $35 +/-5 on ebay at this rate for a nice used copy of Destiny so I'll probably snap some pics and ditch it here shortly. I could use the dough to get some stuff I did enjoy which was on that WiiU I sold that's on PS4 or PC.

[Jorpho]

Stuff like this makes me run more and more away from buying new games when they're new and more into waiting a month or however long it takes for a 20% or more price cut.why in $deity's name would you not do this

[Tanooki]

I rarely if ever buy a game when it first comes out anymore, unless I know for a fact I'd love and complete it like an Uncharted game from Sony. Aside from that usually Target will have sales or sometimes others online cutting the value that much or more -- if not I wait.

I cross posted this elsewhere, it's intriguing to see the difference in response here from racketboy. Over there I'm getting shit all over because I'm out of touch and that hating DLC is so 2006. Supposedly it's bad to question DLC because that's how games are made now so they can make money on them. Don't even think that perhaps they're living in an outdated bad business model on consoles while on the PC you can have small or large budget games that do just fine without squeezing people dry for maybe in the end 50% or 200% over the price of the original game in download bits that a decade ago would have been included with the game. Remember that crap a few years ago EA got in for the Tiger Woods Golf game where they gave just a few courses and golfers for full price, then charged like another $100+ in DLC fees to get the rest -- stuff a few years earlier would have all entirely been on the disc for one price. The game industry is at fault, but it's like some people feel people like myself who won't buy DLC are the bad guys because otherwise supposedly the games due to inflation should cost like $90/pop today. I put that the fault is with the companies who keep upping their costs with more fluff and bullcrap instead of being practical while knowing they can make a full game, sell it as a full game, then hold back the rest so they can squeeze more out of people as they're already on the hook.

[ZP3]

I can understand dlc, hell I even welcome it when it enhances the game. Mario Kart 8, Skyrim, and The last of us are recent games that have done DLC right. However, with destiny, you have bungie literally locking away part of the game and making you pay for it later. In my mind, that is just wrong; I will never support the practice.

[Tanooki]

I don't support it when it isn't just optional fluff. When you're introducing added worlds, added courses, stages, whatever that rightly should have been included in the package in the first place as things were for decades, I have a huge problem with that. If you're just doing crap like on android where you pay and get some cheaty item to speed it along, different uniforms/colors for a character, optional music to throw into a game if you want new/different jams on the in game radio, junk like that I am totally alright with. Stuff like Destiny, or like with Bioware and Mass Effect where the 3rd game got strung out with a bad ending then all this added 'real ending' crap for a charge or ME2 where total worlds/side campaigns were left out to re-bundle it as a total package later thats just filthy.

[Zthun]

I don't support it when it isn't just optional fluff. When you're introducing added worlds, added courses, stages, whatever that rightly should have been included in the package in the first place as things were for decades, I have a huge problem with that. If you're just doing crap like on android where you pay and get some cheaty item to speed it along, different uniforms/colors for a character, optional music to throw into a game if you want new/different jams on the in game radio, junk like that I am totally alright with. Stuff like Destiny, or like with Bioware and Mass Effect where the 3rd game got strung out with a bad ending then all this added 'real ending' crap for a charge or ME2 where total worlds/side campaigns were left out to re-bundle it as a total package later thats just filthy.

Wasn't the expanded endings to ME3 free? I didn't think you had to pay for those.

[Tanooki]

I really don't recall. I thought they charged for all the added content that came out for that one.

Either way Destiny was a bust of a game with all the flaws, I sold it about a week ago. :)

[Gentlegamer]

The expanded endings were part of a free patch, to replace:

http://clevermusings.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ME3_DLC_Message.jpg

THE SHEPARD IS LEGEND GO BUY DLC LOL

[Tanooki]

So then I guess it was pay first, mass protest over that mass effect of fury it caused, and then it was free ending which still fairly sucked since people still complained.

[Niku-Sama]

this is destined to fail

[Zthun]

Here's the source: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2014/12/dont_have_destinys_first_expansion_then_youre_lock ed_out_of_some_existing_content

Long story short -- when they just put out the other day a new DLC package, they took away content people who bought the base game had access to and must now pay a fee (the DLC) to get it back. The Heroic and Nightly strikes are now only for DLC expansion pack owners, formerly for all. The snipe is worse as they're the two best ways to gather rare goods and and items including cryptarch engram rewards to get the better/best gear of the game to properly level your guardian to handle the actual game at the later levels offered. Now it's turned into a slog, much like a microtransaction tablet game where you can take months or days buying added gems to get the content.

I'm looking at likely now selling off Destiny as I find this repulsive. I shouldn't have parts of a game I paid full retail for snatched away if I don't pay them more money to re-enable it.

Old news, but I really wish I would have read the article before just blindly agreeing with it. Bungie didn't lock away anything. If you look at the screenshot, the nightfall for that week, which is the same as the weekly, was the DLC strike to take down Omnigul. The strikes rotate week to week, and if you don't have the DLC, you won't be able to do that specific strike. You would have to wait until next week to get one that you had access to.

Honestly, after playing it for two months now, I absolutely love this game. I kind of jumped on the bandwagon that it probably sucked because everyone was saying it was a huge letdown, but then my friend convinced me to try it, and I can't put it down. I will agree that you need real life friends playing; if you don't, the game gets boring fast and becomes devoid of content. This is a social MMOG. The content is going to change, things are going to get nerfed/buffed, and new content will be added that players will not have access to if they do not purchase the expansions. I can understand if you don't like the game, but Bungie did not take away any content that you already had available to you. That claim is absolutely false.

[Tanooki]

I had no one to play with so I got fed up with it real quick and sold it. They don't make it really easy in game either because if you don't have an existing friend list to pull people from with a total neglectful lack of general lobby to form teams or clans/guilds to hit places it makes it a real bummer, or a crap shoot with random invites if you get someone good not.

[Words iManifest]

I have about 350 hours total in Destiny and can easy say that it sits comfortably in my top games of all time. I'm 41 and started on the 2600, my bar for top games would probably be the original Tron arcade. There's just something about Destiny though, the perfect shooting, the incredible art direction, the satisfying loot. Now, I know there are some problems for sure but they don't really bug me when I'm getting this much enjoyment. I don't see what they did as such a bad thing based on the infrastructure of how the game is put together, with it being persistent. You still have everything, just once in a great while you don't get a Weekly or Nightfall, if that upsets you then you weren't into the game enough in the first place to be playing it this long and not pick up the DLC.

[Zthun]

I had no one to play with so I got fed up with it real quick and sold it. They don't make it really easy in game either because if you don't have an existing friend list to pull people from with a total neglectful lack of general lobby to form teams or clans/guilds to hit places it makes it a real bummer, or a crap shoot with random invites if you get someone good not.

Bungie is really big on playing with real life friends and the mechanics of the game are designed around it. If you don't have a group of buddies that are playing on the same platform as you, then yeah, the game sucks in the end and isn't worth playing.

I started playing the FFXIV trial, but then I realized that none of my RL friends are going to play this with me, which means that I would be pairing myself with strangers online until max level. I've learned over the years that I'm really bad at making persistent friends online, and unless I get really lucky, I'll be soloing the majority of the content which deletes the purpose of MMO games.

I agree with Bungie, ArenaNet, and all other developers that design games around people who play with RL friends. Most people don't want to play with random strangers. While this is acceptable in competitive gaming, in online Co-op games, it ruins the experience.

The first question you need to ask when deciding whether or not to play a online Co-op game is not 'is this game going to be good?' It needs to be: 'Hey (friend), are you planning on playing (game) with me?' If the answer is 'no,' then don't even bother wasting your money.

[Tanooki]

It's a good question, but due to moves over the last few years I have little local friends, they're spread out, and not that many game either. My source of co-op comes from (oddly since you listed it) Arena Net and via Guild Wars 1 and 2. Those games I have put a good 5 years on collectively and other than one real life friend I had online (he died 2 years ago suddenly) it has been finding reliable people and getting into a group and it has never failed to keep my interest. Bungie could have done a huge service allowing a public chat forum/lobby to get people together as sometimes you find the most reliable people in like minded strangers or those with a build that compliments another.

I think I would have been best not wanting the game out of the gate and researching if they had a lobby/match making service. That's my fault. Had I known it didn't exist I would have never wasted $60 on the game which is big on my budget which makes it all the more a sore spot. The only bungie game I played before this was the original Halo, on PC.