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Tanooki
02-04-2015, 08:44 AM
I'm sure you've all see it before something like: This application is not compatible as it uses a 16bit operation, this will not work on your system, blah blah whatever.

Is there much of a way around this? I know there are rare cases of games of high popularity where people will whip up some process to create a do it yourself installer, or they'll make one themselves to save you the headache which can use your original files off a disc/disk(etc.)

I've been jonesing for the original Civilization and Sim City Classic, both Win 3.X 16bit games, and well on Win7 and now Win8.1 64bit I'm denied.

Some people have been creative in making updated installers, some work (Dune Legacy for Dune 2 PC) and others worked fine through Win7 but died on Win8 (Mark from Germany, did all those installers for Tie, Xwing and Indiana Jones games of the mid 90s.

Other than going the route of buying or pirating an old OS and throwing it inside of some VM which is just an overkill pain in the ass for a single game, can much be done?

o.pwuaioc
02-04-2015, 02:57 PM
Doesn't DOSbox work for this stuff?

Tanooki
02-04-2015, 03:02 PM
I'd think it would for DOS stuff, but you think it would run 16bit Windows games? I still have the CD discs for Civ and Sim City Classic.

Gentlegamer
02-04-2015, 03:25 PM
Windows 3.x and Windows 95 are themselves MS-DOS programs, so you can use DOSBox to run almost everything that is supposed to run on those versions. You can in fact use DOSBox to run Windows 3.1 itself.

Checking the compatibility list at dosbox.com confirms both Civ and SimCity are compatible.

Trebuken
02-04-2015, 03:28 PM
I would have thought that a work-around for this would have been developed by now, but instead it seems to be game specific. Many games can be repurchased fixed on GOG or Steam, but I am too stubborn to buy the same game twice.

I keep older computers hanging around for this purpose, but I would love to have everything installed on one...

Gentlegamer
02-04-2015, 03:30 PM
I would have thought that a work-around for this would have been developed by now, but instead it seems to be game specific. Many games can be repurchased fixed on GOG or Steam, but I am too stubborn to buy the same game twice.

I keep older computers hanging around for this purpose, but I would love to have everything installed on one...

GOG packages an installer and preconfigured DOSBox for the games to work.

Niku-Sama
02-05-2015, 02:45 AM
I don't think at this point it would be considered pirating widows3.1 or 95. If i remember correctly after a certain age they release interest of sorts. That coupled with the fact that it's not even installed on a tangible machine....

I forgot. If you can install a 32 bit version of your os on another partition on the same computer it should work still. 32 bit versions still have the ability to emulate 16 bit stuff. Although some of it is a bit buggy...

Tanooki
02-05-2015, 10:06 AM
Good points all around. I did some digging, and perhaps the best alternative really if you want to put the work in up front, would be to make a DOS Box install that fires up Win3.11 or Win95(A or B, C has errors.)

Under that environment you could basically just whatever the hell you want really as long as DOSBox doesn't have a compatibility with a specific game or application and all in a nice 1024x768 window on your larger desktop.

I'm thinking I may go poking around and see if I can make a Win95 install as that would be excellent. That too would allow my williams pinball classics (has 4 nice tables, this is pre Pinball Arcade stuff) to work along with Wing Commander Kilrathi Saga, C&C, Sim City, and whatever else is being a bitch.

XYXZYZ
02-05-2015, 04:59 PM
Of course, there's also the possibility of getting an old Compaq Presario and a 17" CRT if space isn't an issue...

Tanooki
02-05-2015, 05:49 PM
It is. I've got a spare quad core 32bit computer in the back I could throw XP on but I have nowhere to set that up.

I think paying the $3 for dosbox turbo may be a good choice. No windows junk, but DOS games would be very doable. I saw this one writeup saying that the tablet I have would be like the equal of a Pentium75mhz with the emulation overhead.

Jorpho
02-12-2015, 12:02 AM
I did some digging, and perhaps the best alternative really if you want to put the work in up front, would be to make a DOS Box install that fires up Win3.11 or Win95(A or B, C has errors.)Windows 3.x in DOSBox is probably an excellent way to run 16-bit Windows games, but Win9x in DOSBox is still kind of dodgy. You definitely want to use the latest "Daum" build if you go that way. PCem (http://pcem-emulator.co.uk/) is also making pretty good progress and might be a better option. Many sing the praises of using Wine in Linux, but that of course requires running Linux.

For 32-bit games using 16-bit installers, often you can get away with just replacing the setup.exe with its 32-bit equivalent. http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10988 has useful instructions.