SNES or Genesis reproduction carts?

[Casati]

Does anyone offer anything similar to nesreproductions.com except for the SNES or Genesis? If so, is there an online list of donor carts?

[retroguy]

Here: http://www.gamereproductions.com/index.php

[leatherrebel5150]

Here: http://www.gamereproductions.com/index.php

Don't use them there have been a lot of complaints with them

[retroguy]

What kind of complaints, out of curiosity? I've never ordered from there, but it looks legit enough to me.

[Gatucaman]

Oh dear lord, ever since i got my super everdrive, i just realized that making repros nowadays is pretty much futile and a bit of a waste, since you know, the games you need to sacrifice them boards are now artificially inflated as all hell and you cant get them anymore for dirt cheap or even reasonable anymore because even the brick & mortar/goodwill like stores have succumbed to the temptation (and betrayed what they used to stand for in the first place) and suck on the giant Ebay/Speculator/Scalper/Extorsionist wee wee. :shameful:

Not to mentions, most people sun the making of repros for legit rare titles like Bubble Bobble 2, Little Samsom and Suprise at Dinasour Peak, sure, because paying fortunes to get these titles legally is not illegal :angry:

Now, i now about these http://www.infiniteneslives.com/nessupplies.php

but then again, these are in case YOU know how to make repros yourself, like, it's not like you can actually tell the repro maker to get you one of these. (damn shame, because IinfiniteLives even has cart shells!, remember when retroUSB use to do them?).

And finally, the EPROM issue, i heard that genesis and SNES repros use FLASH ROMs to make them and they last longer (correct me if i am wrong).

and for me, it's the racism of shipping fees from the US post

Also i got screwed over because of my own postal service, because i actually bought a repro once from Leon, the guy behind nesreproductions.com, and the game in question was sweet Home, and yes, i sacrificed my original Zelda II for it, and then he told me that he needed to convert the board or something to the one from Zelda 1, since Zelda II wasn't compatible, i pay the price and he told me he couldn't get the tracking option from Canada, since they asked $60 USD he told me, well, i got fucked, because my postal service "lost" the package and for a 3 months i got nothing and i complain to my postal service and nada, and they also didn't gave me any confidence either, (that's why i say FUCK IT and just went trough my unaltered Sweet Home untranslated in famicom form), now, i wish no ill towards Leon, because he was nice and refund me my money, but i deeply regret this experience, since i lost Zelda II.

[bb_hood]

Oh dear lord, ever since i got my super everdrive, i just realized that making repros nowadays is pretty much futile and a bit of a waste, since you know, the games you need to sacrifice them boards are now artificially inflated as all hell and you cant get them anymore for dirt cheap or even reasonable anymore because even the brick & mortar/goodwill like stores have succumbed to the temptation (and betrayed what they used to stand for in the first place) and suck on the giant Ebay/Speculator/Scalper/Extorsionist wee wee. :shameful:

Not to mentions, most people sun the making of repros for legit rare titles like Bubble Bobble 2, Little Samsom and Suprise at Dinasour Peak, sure, because paying fortunes to get these titles legally is not illegal :angry:

Now, i now about these http://www.infiniteneslives.com/nessupplies.php

but then again, these are in case YOU know how to make repros yourself, like, it's not like you can actually tell the repro maker to get you one of these. (damn shame, because IinfiniteLives even has cart shells!, remember when retroUSB use to do them?).

And finally, the EPROM issue, i heard that genesis and SNES repros use FLASH ROMs to make them and they last longer (correct me if i am wrong).

and for me, it's the racism of shipping fees from the US post

Also i got screwed over because of my own postal service, because i actually bought a repro once from Leon, the guy behind nesreproductions.com, and the game in question was sweet Home, and yes, i sacrificed my original Zelda II for it, and then he told me that he needed to convert the board or something to the one from Zelda 1, since Zelda II wasn't compatible, i pay the price and he told me he couldn't get the tracking option from Canada, since they asked $60 USD he told me, well, i got fucked, because my postal service "lost" the package and for a 3 months i got nothing and i complain to my postal service and nada, and they also didn't gave me any confidence either, (that's why i say FUCK IT and just went trough my unaltered Sweet Home untranslated in famicom form), now, i wish no ill towards Leon, because he was nice and refund me my money, but i deeply regret this experience, since i lost Zelda II.

No point in sacrificing games for repros, and no point in wasting money on repros.
Flash carts will play 99% of games for nes/snes. You can play the translated version of Sweet Home on the powerpak, along with thousands of other games...

Honestly the people selling repros are just taking advantage of people who dont know better. And they know they are.

[celerystalker]

Oh, I don't know that they're as predatory as all that. There is a market for people who just enjoy the separate cart. I'm not saying it's logical or rational, but sometimes people just like what they like in spite of whay else is available, and that's not hurting anyone. Now, the people turning those same repro carts on ebay for double the cost... that's predatory.

[bb_hood]

Now, the people turning those same repro carts on ebay for double the cost... that's predatory.

Its the same thing. People turn to repros because they dont know flash carts exist. People turn to ebay because they dont know that they can be bought elsewhere.

[retroguy]

Honestly the people selling repros are just taking advantage of people who don't know better. And they know they are.

Not necessarily. As someone who loves The Goonies 2, for example, I could see getting a repro cart of Goonies 1 to go with it. Likewise, I could see getting a repro of the real Super Mario Bros 2 to go with my other NES Marios and make it a complete set. And, of course, I would love to get a repro of NWC just because. That said, since parts to make them are available and reasonably inexpensive, I would only order from a site that used all new parts. No donating for me.

[celerystalker]

I view it differently. I know people who are well aware of Power Paks and Everdrives but choose to buy repro carts. They aren't being exploited. That's the difference; preying on lack of knowledge or not.

[Tanooki]

There's a few that turn to bootleg (repros) because they want a specific game on a cart and not a full blown piracy device, and sometimes that device won't run a game which is why I have Starfox 2. Ialso have both retrozone Famicom games for Kid Dracula and Gradius, sure I could get them on a real game but they're in Japanese.

[bb_hood]

Well, cant really argue against the "I wanted it, so buying it is justified" argument.
Personally I cant find a place on the shelf for bootleg games hacked together by some chump who thinks he is some tec whiz because he can flash a rom.
Unless its something like StarFox2 thats really cant be played any other way.. I really view buying repros as a total waste. But thats just my opinion.
Translated roms play just perfectly on powerpaks, so no need to buy english translated game as repros.

[celerystalker]

I think that repro carts should essentially be viewed as novelty items. I mean, if you just want to play, a flash cart or emulation clearly are way more cost effective. They aren't truly collectables inasmuch as they are grey market, completely unauthorized items. They're just interesting novelties to interested individuals, like a homemade plushie or cosplay outfit, and shouldn't be viewed as memorabilia, collectables, or rarities.

[Tanooki]

Translated roms also work on the Retron5 with an IPS patch and a real cart too, as do hacks like the one that restores the castlevania 2 translation and even adds an overworld map.

I never paid for a hack, Gradius II and Kid Dracula were trades/gifted, Starfox was the exception on buying into it because it can't be done otherwise.

[Daria]

I miss the days when people weren't afraid to use their computers.

[JSoup]

I miss the days when people weren't afraid to use their computers.

People just complained endlessly that it's "not like the real thing".

[bb_hood]

Computers are great for MAME. I wish I could play my snes/nes systems on my trinitron multiscan VGA monitor.

[theclaw]

I dunno... The years and years we've waited for N64 to truly mature from plugin hell.

Copies made from new parts are one thing, even if just typical Asian pirate junk.
Hacking up real games to gouge people unaware of flash carts is another.

[Blitzwing256]

Translated roms also work on the Retron5 with an IPS patch and a real cart too, as do hacks like the one that restores the castlevania 2 translation and even adds an overworld map.

I never paid for a hack, Gradius II and Kid Dracula were trades/gifted, Starfox was the exception on buying into it because it can't be done otherwise.

Tell me more of this castlevania hack? I have never heard of it.

[Gatucaman]

Tell me more of this castlevania hack? I have never heard of it.

There are 2 main hacks, one is Simon's Quest Redaction by the almighty guru, this one has a new script (tough is actually made up and non-accurate, but the deal is, it gives you hints and tells you what to do) and has some programming changes, like the transitions between day and night are faster, the "false hints" have been removed, Death takes more hits and the text is faster.

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/868/

the other you are talking about is the one done by Bisqwit, this one has a re-translated script that is faitfull to the original script but also re-structured to be understandable, also features the map.

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1032/

however it lacks some of the additions that the "redaction" hack had, so for those, there's individual patches like, speeding up the transitions, removing the invisible blocks in mansions, and one that doubles the Heart values so the games has a faster progression and becomes less grind tedious.

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/912/

[Daria]

People just complained endlessly that it's "not like the real thing".

Those people are douchebags. :P

[Gentlegamer]

People just complained endlessly that it's "not like the real thing".

The same people who only play on RGB modded systems hooked up to PVMs.

For the authentic experience.

[7th lutz]

What kind of complaints, out of curiosity? I've never ordered from there, but it looks legit enough to me.

Communication problems between seller and buyer. The other issue is the amount of time waiting for the getting the repro.

What I meant by time is the fact Game Reproductions in the past could take 2 or 4 weeks for getting the reproduction that you paid for, but the wait based I read had become way worse. The 2 to 4 weeks was true about 3 years ago, but I think they now a tendency not able to handle the amount orders they get without stopping sales.

In terms of waiting time, it could months like 6 or more months to get the reproduction you paid for.

[Edmond Dantes]

Oh crud, and there were some repros I thought of getting that I didn't see available elsewhere (without needing a donor cart at least) too.

Yeah the idea of a flash cart has crossed my mind. I know I could just emulate, but a part of me honestly feels bad doing that... I mean, I already use my computers almost daily while my NES collects dust, why give myself _more_ reason to let the NES collect dust?

[Tanooki]

the other you are talking about is the one done by Bisqwit, this one has a re-translated script that is faitfull to the original script but also re-structured to be understandable, also features the map.

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1032/


That's the one I went with, it works best for me. I don't need the extras the top one had, just the right translation and the pop up map off the select button. I don't need filler.



The Game Reproductions guy lives in town where I am, met him a few times and chit chatted online too, very nice, but it is true, over 5 years ago you could get a game in a week or two if it wasn't already pre-made, but in the last couple years he had a baby and the wait times went straight to hell as the free time isn't there. The work is fine but the wait can be a turn off.

[Casati]

I won't be doing any computer gaming until I upgrade my computer as I currently have a laggy XP scrap heap. Maybe that's why I haven't pursued flash carts. Where do you get them online? I have a flash cart for my resumes and various files, but nothing for gaming on it.

[bb_hood]

I won't be doing any computer gaming until I upgrade my computer as I currently have a laggy XP scrap heap. Maybe that's why I haven't pursued flash carts. Where do you get them online? I have a flash cart for my resumes and various files, but nothing for gaming on it.

http://www.retrousb.com/index.php?cPath=24

http://www.stoneagegamer.com/

[dra600n]

You can make genesis repros without sacrificing existing games. I sell brand new pcbs for SRAM and non SRAM games (both up to 4mb roms), and will be getting brand new shells in within the month.

There are also places online that sell nes and snes pcbs and cart shells as well. The only thing a person needs is basic soldering skills and an EPROM (you can buy them online and have the company burn them for you for around $0.50).

[Gatucaman]

You can make genesis repros without sacrificing existing games. I sell brand new pcbs for SRAM and non SRAM games (both up to 4mb roms), and will be getting brand new shells in within the month.

There are also places online that sell nes and snes pcbs and cart shells as well. The only thing a person needs is basic soldering skills and an EPROM (you can buy them online and have the company burn them for you for around $0.50).

Go on............

also are NES repros only use EPROMS?

[dra600n]

Go on............

also are NES repros only use EPROMS?

NES repros also use EPROMs or EPROMs. Flash boards are available as well, but require more hardware (not really worth it as everything becomes more expensive, unless you're doing a large run).

The only issue with nes repros is there's no mapper chips in production, though I do believe there is an alternative. Same with CIC chips (there is the CIClone, though).

Snes is similar to genesis since the mappers are set up similar to the genesis (aka, no MMC style chips), but snes repros can become very complex, especially if you're planning on doing large games, like Star Ocean or Tales of Phantasia, where tsops are more beneficial than EPROMs and EPROMs.

[Gatucaman]

NES repros also use EPROMs or EPROMs. Flash boards are available as well, but require more hardware (not really worth it as everything becomes more expensive, unless you're doing a large run).

The only issue with nes repros is there's no mapper chips in production, though I do believe there is an alternative. Same with CIC chips (there is the CIClone, though).

Snes is similar to genesis since the mappers are set up similar to the genesis (aka, no MMC style chips), but snes repros can become very complex, especially if you're planning on doing large games, like Star Ocean or Tales of Phantasia, where tsops are more beneficial than EPROMs and EPROMs.

And how long EPROMS last, because i know they are not eternal......

[dra600n]

And how long EPROMS last, because i know they are not eternal......

20+ years. Lots of arcade machines from the 80's and 90's used EPROMs and are still 100% functional.

[Trebuken]

The same people who only play on RGB modded systems hooked up to PVMs.

For the authentic experience.

RGB is actually better than the real thing, not actually authentic...though I have switched to the Retron 5...HDMI out on large screen beets PVM monitor.


Anyways...

I did not realize there was so much repro hate. My first repro was the Blockbuster Cart for Sega Genesis. It was that last cart I needed for a complete 'main' set according to the DP printed guide. I was not going to pay the crazy price for this cart that wasn't all that exciting, so I jumped on the repro when I saw it. This predates most flashcarts. So I support making repros of games like Stadium Events which are becoming impossible to afford.

For gaming it's a fair argument, if you just want to play games. I enjoy the collecting element and nothing beats the physical cart. When I bought the Secret of Mana 2 a couple years ago I was like 'hell yeah'. I had been able to play the game via emulation for years, but having the cart (and case) in hand fed my collecting. Silly maybe, but I buy several repros (including a couple NES Castlevania games) at each game show I go to and am quite content to continue despite the fact that I can play every game vie my Ouya or nVidia Shield connected to an HDTV. Everdrives are cool, and convenient; I have considered having one for each system and never having to switch a cart again, but I can't play that many games so buying those repros gives each game more significance to me.

[SparTonberry]

So I support making repros of games like Stadium Events which are becoming impossible to afford.

I don't see the point of reproing a common game WITH A DIFFERENT TITLE SCREEN. :P

[theclaw]

RGB is actually better than the real thing, not actually authentic...though I have switched to the Retron 5...HDMI out on large screen beets PVM monitor.


Anyways...

I did not realize there was so much repro hate. My first repro was the Blockbuster Cart for Sega Genesis. It was that last cart I needed for a complete 'main' set according to the DP printed guide. I was not going to pay the crazy price for this cart that wasn't all that exciting, so I jumped on the repro when I saw it. This predates most flashcarts. So I support making repros of games like Stadium Events which are becoming impossible to afford.

For gaming it's a fair argument, if you just want to play games. I enjoy the collecting element and nothing beats the physical cart. When I bought the Secret of Mana 2 a couple years ago I was like 'hell yeah'. I had been able to play the game via emulation for years, but having the cart (and case) in hand fed my collecting. Silly maybe, but I buy several repros (including a couple NES Castlevania games) at each game show I go to and am quite content to continue despite the fact that I can play every game vie my Ouya or nVidia Shield connected to an HDTV. Everdrives are cool, and convenient; I have considered having one for each system and never having to switch a cart again, but I can't play that many games so buying those repros gives each game more significance to me.

Very old systems I guess so.

From what I can tell, Master System in 1986 was the first non-computer home console with a usable factory-installed RGB output.
Mark III lacked an amplifier to display it correctly.

[Einzelherz]

Don't use them there have been a lot of complaints with them

I've used them several times and any issues I've had were resolved easily. The only difficulty with GR is the lead time, but it's just one dude so...


I miss the days when people weren't afraid to use their computers.

I played emulated games for 15+ years. While it can be close/practically identical, it's not the same. Plus it's neat to have a real cart in your collection.