Xbox Collectors: Where are they?

[Manhattan Sports Club]

I've always had a tremendous amount of difficulty selling my Xbox stuff secondhand either online or in real life. Stuff can be had that's dirt cheap, which is a good thing, but the inherent nature of Xbox's user base and market are centered around generic, flavor-of-the-moment stuff. I knew this even when I got an original Xbox years ago. Xbox doesn't seem to have the kind of backing that NintendoAge or Sega-16 do for instance, and sites like XboxAddict are laughable in comparison. I want to try and look past stereotypes but unfortunately a lot of what I've always thought about Xbox's followers tend to ring true more often than not. They tend not to appreciate the classic stuff that Xbox had to offer and go for whats trending at the moment. I have met very few hardcore Xbox collectors or enthusiasts online. I am no enemy of western video games; I like Xbox's versions of Beyond Good and Evil, Psychonauts, Voodoo Vince, and even Rayman 3, but a lot of my favorites tend to be Japanese because of they cater to my tastes aesthetically among other things. So for the most part I can kind of understand some of the aversion people in my shoes might have against the system as a whole. I really can't tell most Xbox games apart and as much as I struggle to keep from judging people it seems, as I said, that my prejudices may not be entirely ill-founded. Regardless, I'd like to hear from any Xbox enthusiasts (not just the original but 360 and One as well) that can offer an indepth explanation for why Xbox is their favorite system and most importantly, why, if at all, do they keep revisiting a lot of the old games that people have long since forgotten for the system or overlook for their current offerings like Halo.

[Flojomojo]

I can think of a few reasons Xbox stuff is cheap.

- you hit on the biggest reason, which is that it's a living room pc, with generic stuff that was either popular at the time (and has since been replaced with superior sequels or forgotten)

- many of its "only on Xbox" titles were also on pc

- most of its catalog is western (not Japanese) fare

- many of its third party things were at least okay on GameCube, ps2, pc, or all three

- the whole system was cracked wide open and is easily pirated. I would think that many of the biggest Xbox fans have large hard drives full of every game they would want and have little need for original disks.

I can think of a few cool Xbox exclusives not seen elsewhere, like steel battalion and panzer dragoon orta, but so much of the system is forgettable crap. Like every game system!

[Tanooki]

I think most just don't care. It's a western system that was pandered quite strongly to people with a disposable and move along time mind set when it was ticking. It was about dragging people through a narrower set of hard pushed genres that got yearly re-runs causing people to entirely not care about the one game before it. When you then throw in the fact with the fact MS threw the original under the bus cold turkey for the 360 that didn't help things at all. IF you factor in the thing being an awesome warez box which you can throw far more storage at buying seems silly. MS never really focused on much stuff themselves as compared to Nintendo and Sony they make little on their own, so much of what they had when you exclude Halo, Forza and Gears is slim, so you have less memorable moments people will just want to jump back to. They have no Mario, no Uncharted, no Zelda, no LittleBigPlanet, Mario Kart, Mod Nation Racers, and so on people will go back for. MS designed a one and done system, and the 360 was the same despite getting more variety. Yet if you throw in the fact they sold a broken box that took much of its life to actually fix through many revisions, that doesn't exactly inspire people to buy a system and hope it keeps working so they can revisit the old stuff either. Even the one is falling victim to that, and that their biggest launch era title they lied and said was exclusive came out in finer form on the PC (Titanfall.)

[Leo_A]

There are a lot of modern classics available there. So their loss...

[Gamevet]

3 of my favorite racing games of that generation of consoles were on the Xbox. Those titles were Burnout 3: Takedown, Burnout: Revenge and Outrun 2.


My PC wasn't all that great in 2005. Knights of the Old Republic ran better on Xbox and even now, I have a hard time getting the game to run on PC without it crashing. My 1st time playing Half-Life 2 was on the Xbox, because the PC version would have never ran well on my computer back then.

Here are some of my favorites from the Xbox:

Panzer Dragoon Orta
Sega GT
Crimson Skies
Jet Set Radio Future
Gunvalkyrie
Crazy Taxi 3: High Roller
Air Force Delta
Jade Empire
Fable
Forza Motorsports
Project Gotham Racing 1 & 2
Shenmue II (the textures seemed a little better on the DC)
TRON 2.0
Knights of the Old Republic
Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords

[Leo_A]

The Xbox also had a lot of solid 3rd party support. While it was easy to often overlook the scores of PS2 ports back then, they often were much more HD ready than the PS2 originals.

Instead of being stuck with 4:3 and/or 480i, typically the Xbox versions of such titles were progressive scan and 16:9 enabled and adapt much better to the types of televisions so many of us play on these days compared to back in the early 2000's.

16:9 and particularly 480p were much more rare to see on the PS2.

[Gamevet]

The Xbox also had a lot of solid 3rd party support. While it was easy to often overlook the scores of PS2 ports back then, they often were much more HD ready than the PS2 originals.

Instead of being stuck with 4:3 and/or 480i, typically the Xbox versions of such titles were progressive scan and 16:9 enabled and adapt much better to the types of televisions so many of us play on these days compared to back in the early 2000's.

16:9 and particularly 480p were much more rare to see on the PS2.

I have a Sony KV-32HS420 CRT that I'd bought in late 2004. It was and still is the perfect television for the Xbox in 480p, as well as the Gamecube. I mostly bought Xbox and Gamecube 3rd party titles over the PS2 versions, because of the superior video output. A lot of PS2 games weren't even 480i.

[Gameguy]

People don't care about the Xbox now, but just give it another 10 years. I remember thinking the same way about the PS1 and just about everyone else thought the same way too. Now people are collecting the games, still plenty of worthless titles just like every system has, but plenty more are now desirable. I remember seeing PS1 games brand new in stores priced at $1 each and not selling. Now people want them, I have a feeling the Xbox will end up the same.

Personally I don't see much value in the console as the best games are available on other platforms so why bother keeping a big, bulky, fragile system around. It's not something I'm interested in and I generally avoid the games I see for it unless I know it's a good title, so many I pass on for $1 each at yard sales. Sadly Xbox games seem to be the most common I come across now.

[sfchakan]

Snatch up all of the niche and cool Xbox titles now while they're worth practically nothing.

Obviously, Shenmue II being the exception for a while until the excitement dies down.

[Atarileaf]

Snatch up all of the niche and cool Xbox titles now while they're worth practically nothing.



I've been contemplating this myself. A local pawn shop has all xbox games for 2 bucks each. I really enjoyed Midtown Madness 3 when I originally had an xbox and I believe it's a console exclusive.

[Leo_A]

I've been contemplating this myself. A local pawn shop has all xbox games for 2 bucks each. I really enjoyed Midtown Madness 3 when I originally had an xbox and I believe it's a console exclusive.

The pair of RalliSport Challenge and Project Gotham Racing entries, especially the second release of each series, are more excellent 1st party Microsoft Game Studios exclusives that involve racing. And they published the beloved Outrun 2 release from Sega here in North America, even though I'd personally consider that 3rd party.

One that is right up your alley is Atari Anthology. Even if you already own this for the PS2, this one actually does 1080i here. It's one of only a handful of HD Xbox releases, which especially benefits the vector arcade classics in the arcade portion of this collection.

As an extra bonus, it's also emulated on the Xbox 360 and is one of the rare titles that runs beautifully in that often lackluster emulator. The only emulation issue of note that I ever noticed is a thin black vertical line running through the scans for 2600 manuals and such in the extras section, which is hardly even worth mentioning.

And it of course retains its HD capabilities on the 360, rather than doing something foolish like reverting to 480p prior to being upscaled by the 360 to your selected HD resolution. Handy if one keeps their original Xbox connected to a nice SD CRT, but wants to play the vector arcade classics on their HDTV with their crisp straight lines, rather than the stair stepping effect you'd see on something such as a PS1 collection.

[Gamevet]

Conker's Bad Fur Day: Reloaded on the Xbox has become quite expensive. I remember seeing it at a store for years, with a price of $30. I waited for the longest time, to see if the price would drop, but someone ended up buying it.

[Manhattan Sports Club]

As a person who has never managed to fully embrace or get into PC gaming as a whole, I'd say the Xbox certainly served its purpose in providing a practical alternative to having a beefy PC. Sure, you may not get all the bells and whistles, but I was never a big fan of investing too much to have all this little trinkets as long as the game was still playable. Then again, PC games tend to be generic and not exactly the most appealing fare for this gamer's tastes. But as usual, I try to maintain an open mind and explore new territories when possible.

[Leo_A]

Conker's Bad Fur Day: Reloaded on the Xbox has become quite expensive. I remember seeing it at a store for years, with a price of $30. I waited for the longest time, to see if the price would drop, but someone ended up buying it.

It's not of any help for collectors, but I have a feeling that this is the version of the game that's featured on Rare Replay, if anyone just wants to play it.

[The 1 2 P]

I've always had a tremendous amount of difficulty selling my Xbox stuff secondhand either online or in real life. Stuff can be had that's dirt cheap, which is a good thing, but the inherent nature of Xbox's user base and market are centered around generic, flavor-of-the-moment stuff. I knew this even when I got an original Xbox years ago. Xbox doesn't seem to have the kind of backing that NintendoAge or Sega-16 do for instance, and sites like XboxAddict are laughable in comparison. I want to try and look past stereotypes but unfortunately a lot of what I've always thought about Xbox's followers tend to ring true more often than not. They tend not to appreciate the classic stuff that Xbox had to offer and go for whats trending at the moment. I have met very few hardcore Xbox collectors or enthusiasts online. I am no enemy of western video games; I like Xbox's versions of Beyond Good and Evil, Psychonauts, Voodoo Vince, and even Rayman 3, but a lot of my favorites tend to be Japanese because of they cater to my tastes aesthetically among other things. So for the most part I can kind of understand some of the aversion people in my shoes might have against the system as a whole. I really can't tell most Xbox games apart and as much as I struggle to keep from judging people it seems, as I said, that my prejudices may not be entirely ill-founded. Regardless, I'd like to hear from any Xbox enthusiasts (not just the original but 360 and One as well) that can offer an indepth explanation for why Xbox is their favorite system and most importantly, why, if at all, do they keep revisiting a lot of the old games that people have long since forgotten for the system or overlook for their current offerings like Halo.

Compared to other systems the Xbox doesn't have that many hardcore collector's and thats great but it's also kind of a double edged sword. It's great because I have less competition to win items I want but it also means there's less of a market of people selling the items I want. I have a near complete original Xbox demo collection(retail, trade, magazine, etc) but finding others with unique items I don't already own has been quite challenging. I also have a variety of other rare Xbox merchandise, including a debug system.

The system itself was one of best for it's time, more powerful than the PS2 and better exclusives and total library than the Gamecube. What really made it the system to play back then was online multiplayer but even when you look pass that there are several great exclusives such as the Otogi games, Ninja Gaiden games, KOTOR games, Halo games(obviously) and the already mentioned Burnout games. And if you wanted to play the best Star Wars games that were on console that gen you had to have an Xbox. I have a sizable collection of Xbox games but have recently started selling off many of my collection(not just Xbox) so my total quantity has shrunk quite a bit. But I still collect for it when I happen to see something I don't already own.

[Leo_A]

And if you wanted to play the best Star Wars games that were on console that gen you had to have an Xbox.

Don't forget the GameCube's pair of Rogue Squadron releases. :)

While not as innovative as the BioWare RPG's that I suspect you primarily are thinking of on the Xbox, they're definitely high quality releases that are loved by many fans.

[The 1 2 P]

True the Rogue Squadron games were also highly praised but Xbox had more than the KOTOR games. There was also Republic Commando(a good FPS squad based game), and the two Jedi Knight games, although I'm partial to Jedi Knight Jedi Academy because of the two endings from the single player and the very intense 8 person lightsaber combat from Xbox Live multiplayer which had to be experienced to be believed. Most of the other games were multi-platform such as the Battlefront and Starfigher games but when you compare console exclusives between each system the Xbox definitely came out on top for Star Wars games.

Interesting side note, the Rogue Squadron games were supposed to be ported to the original Xbox in one super awesome collection but the project died out before being released. I'll see if I can go find a link.

EDIT: And here it is. Warning: this link is really depressing for those who owned an original Xbox: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/canceled-star-wars-rogue-squadron-game-details-eme/1100-6422908/

[Leo_A]

I didn't read the link, but the latter 2/3's of that remake was later resurrected for the Wii and eventually finished, but never published (The original Rogue Squadron disappeared when the project was revived).

[Tanooki]

True the Rogue Squadron games were also highly praised but Xbox had more than the KOTOR games. There was also Republic Commando(a good FPS squad based game), and the two Jedi Knight games, although I'm partial to Jedi Knight Jedi Academy because of the two endings from the single player and the very intense 8 person lightsaber combat from Xbox Live multiplayer which had to be experienced to be believed. Most of the other games were multi-platform such as the Battlefront and Starfigher games but when you compare console exclusives between each system the Xbox definitely came out on top for Star Wars games.

Interesting side note, the Rogue Squadron games were supposed to be ported to the original Xbox in one super awesome collection but the project died out before being released. I'll see if I can go find a link.

EDIT: And here it is. Warning: this link is really depressing for those who owned an original Xbox: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/canceled-star-wars-rogue-squadron-game-details-eme/1100-6422908/

Yet the KOTOR games got superior PC releases, and recently re-releases months ago (if that) on GOG so no more problems and on ios/android devices too. Rogue is and has been bound to the Cube so it's exclusive while KOTOR really never was. And on the other comment, saying the xbox has the best exclusives of that period is a bit of a stretch even if it is just opinion.

Leo is right and it's sad, RS2+3 were going to hit the Wii, I think they were more or less done since conversion wasn't much of an issue, yet it got shelved. It's probably a star wars gamers NES earthbound sized white whale to get if it ever surfaces.

[Gamevet]

Yet the KOTOR games got superior PC releases, and recently re-releases months ago (if that) on GOG so no more problems and on ios/android devices too. Rogue is and has been bound to the Cube so it's exclusive while KOTOR really never was. And on the other comment, saying the xbox has the best exclusives of that period is a bit of a stretch even if it is just opinion.

Leo is right and it's sad, RS2+3 were going to hit the Wii, I think they were more or less done since conversion wasn't much of an issue, yet it got shelved. It's probably a star wars gamers NES earthbound sized white whale to get if it ever surfaces.

I have a legit copy of KOTOR for the PC. It ran like crap on my PC (2003) with a 2 Ghz Celeron CPU, 756 MB of RAM and an FX-5200 Ultra. I tried building a PC in 2010 with the option for Windows XP, or Windows 7, and KOTOR constantly crashed with both operating systems. I even tried the patch that was supposed to fix the crashing problem.

[sfchakan]

I never had a problem with my crappy PC back in 2004-2005 running the original KOTOR. I bought both on Steam some time ago but haven't gotten around to trying them out yet.

[kai123]

I have a few games for my old XBOX and I love it. It was a great system for the time. I had an xbox live account for a little while on it but then just used the tunneling software to play my games online. Which I assume is why most games released today don't have a lan mode. :( I sold all of my 360 games after my third RROD. I will pick some more up when the BC comes out for the one.

[The 1 2 P]

Yet the KOTOR games got superior PC releases, and recently re-releases months ago (if that) on GOG so no more problems and on ios/android devices too. Rogue is and has been bound to the Cube so it's exclusive while KOTOR really never was. And on the other comment, saying the xbox has the best exclusives of that period is a bit of a stretch even if it is just opinion.

Leo is right and it's sad, RS2+3 were going to hit the Wii, I think they were more or less done since conversion wasn't much of an issue, yet it got shelved. It's probably a star wars gamers NES earthbound sized white whale to get if it ever surfaces.

The Rogue series being on Gamecube doesn't change the fact that the Xbox got the better selection and quality of Star Wars games last gen, that's not even in dispute. And the comment you quoted stated that the Xbox got the better console exclusive Star Wars games. I don't care that most of them got ported to PC because we are talking about console exclusives so just like you won't be playing the Rogue Squadron games on Xbox you won't be playing the Kotor, Jedi Knight Jedi Academy or Republic Commando games on Gamecube.

[PreZZ]

I bought a 100 xbox game lot with 2 systems and 4 controller s and a ps2 with 37 games for 200$ in february. A lot of crap in the lot, but got a couple of gems like shenmue 2, outrun 2, gunvalkyrie, etc. I really like The Warriors, it looks like an xbox 360 game when running 720p, 480p looks like crap now that i got used to 1080p gaming! I still prefer playing my xbox on a crt with RGB on my pvm, but The Warriiors really shine with component cables on modern tv

[sfchakan]

Wrong thread. Can delete.

[Tanooki]

You have an interesting view of console exclusive. Its in a bubble, but if you narrow the terms that thin sure it only came out on xbox. But the reality of things really is that they could be legitimately played on more than one system, it just happened to be the PC. Ive seen them in action on both, played some of them on PC. I found the PC looked and sounded nicer, and controlled better in enough cases too. Because theyre on PC they really are not exclusive, that's like the sillines ms pulled touting that Titanfall was only on the one, yet it came out on PC too and was better for it with half decent hardware to run it. Rogue though on GC, warezing with Dolphin aside, was on that only. Thats what I was getting at.

[Manhattan Sports Club]

BTW I'm selling 99% of my Xbox collection. PM me if you're interested before I trade them off to a local store.

[The 1 2 P]

If the majority of what you have is basic releases than there's probably nothing I need unless you have some beta's, rare demos or other memorabilia from back then. And my previous statements on the Star Wars games still stand.

[otaku]

as others have listed tons of great games to be had but many do not collect because well you can pirate. I'd like a collection but would admittedly be more apt for most games to use a hard drive since my budget is limited. Also many of the games were re-released as well. And of course these aren't big name titles either like nintendo or sega have.

[Manhattan Sports Club]

as others have listed tons of great games to be had but many do not collect because well you can pirate.

That must be why PSP games are so cheap in general. A lot of buffoonery in terms of easily pirating the games, which, IMHO, were quality over DS's quantity ratio. Still, at least I can get what I want without hassle, for the most part.

[TheBenenator]

Generally speaking, if there's a multiplatform game from that gen that has an Xbox version, I'll get that version. The other versions either:

a) Don't do 480p
b) Do 480p, but require a cable so expensive that I could buy one of the console that comes after it plus the cable it needs for 480p (signal quality difference doesn't bother me on Wii)
c) Reverse part of the control scheme for insufficient reason (Mega Man Anniversary GCN)
d) Don't have some of the extra content due to smaller discs
e) Worse load times -- can you imagine Half-Life 2 loading on the PS2? It was terrible enough on an unmodified Xbox!

If it ALSO has a PC version, I'll get that instead, with the only exception so far being the original Halo (horribly-optimized PC port). Widescreen and higher-res/framerate, plus mods that games like Morrowind and KOTOR II practically NEED? Yes please.

Frankly, I'm glad the Xbox got completely cracked, and not for piracy reasons. Being able to load the games I own onto a massively upgraded-capacity hard drive, plus modifying a faster, PC DVD drive, AND using a higher-speed IDE cable to improve loading times even further makes some games a completely different experience. (No, I'm not going to let you off the hook on that one, Half-Life 2.) Not wearing out an expensive laser or scratching a disc is great too. Same goes for PSP, sans most of the hardware upgrades.

I think that not as many people collect/keep Xbox games compared to GCN/PS2 because of the horrible backwards-compatibility and hardware reliability of its successor, along with Microsoft having their "exclusives" available on their PC os. Combine it with its not-entirely-undeserved reputation for being a FPS-box, huge size, PLUS the ease of piracy, *PLUS* not exactly being hard to find stuff for due to being comparably new....you get a recipe for something that just doesn't scream "I'm a Collectable!", "Nostalgia!", "I'm still worth keeping around!", or "I'm so bad that you've got to have me just to say you have me!".

[WCP]

They haven't been born yet, lol






( well, if you look at the current state of SNES and NES collectors. Most seem to have been born way after those machines arrived )

[The 1 2 P]

They haven't been born yet, lol

Yes we have but as already mentioned there aren't as many as on other systems. Also already mentioned is that this is good because I don't have to compete with many people on ebay when bidding on stuff. But it's not good when trying to do trades or find other desired stuff on sites like this because the pool of Xbox collectors is fairly small. I've still managed to find some stuff on here that I probably wouldn't have been able to find elsewhere but the majority of my finds will always come from online and at this point it's rare I find something I need or didn't know existed.

[WCP]

I would have to imagine that garage sales and flea markets would be a good place to find old Xbox games. Craigslist of course.


I'm sure there will be a time when I get Nostalgic for Azurik, but I think that's still about 10 years away..

[T2KFreeker]

There's still some of us around. Problem is that many of us may have our collection where we want it already. I pretty much have everything I want outside of a few games here and there and i hate that, "Oh, you want this game? this REALLY rare game? Well then, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT THEN! MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!" attitude anymore. Games like Stubbs the Zombie, for example. It's NOT a rare game. Maybe a little uncommon as it may not have sold very well, but by no means is it rare. Still, everywhere you go, it's OMG! R@R3Z, OOP!!!! yeah, no thanks. I'm not paying that much money for an XBOX game. Funny how resellers always try and find that one game to rape people on. Conker Live and Reloaded is another one they are stupid with in respect to the price. not sure what else to say. For me, in general, Video game collecting has become much more trouble than it's worth. I am glad I got most of my Turbografx 16 collection, as an example, before things went full on Shelf monkey over it. When I see games like Pac-land being called rare and selling for upwards of $50.00, it's a cold day in Hell. Point is, it makes me sad knowing that one day, there will be XBOX games, other than Steel Battalion for obvious reasons, selling for upwards of $100.00. Just lame as the games really aren't all that hard to find, but they will find a way.

[The 1 2 P]

There's still some of us around. Problem is that many of us may have our collection where we want it already. I pretty much have everything I want outside of a few games here and there

Same here. Most of the remaining stuff I need isn't even Xbox games but rare demos and other memorabilia.


Conker Live and Reloaded is another one they are stupid with in respect to the price. not sure what else to say.


That game will always command a premium. The N64 version still goes for $50+ used and so does this version. And I can guarantee you that in a few years Rare Replay(which just launched today) will also go up in price for used copies. Not only does it have Conker's on there but several other games that have a decent second hand value as well.

[Th3 hoff]

I can think of a few reasons Xbox stuff is cheap.

- you hit on the biggest reason, which is that it's a living room pc, with generic stuff that was either popular at the time (and has since been replaced with superior sequels or forgotten)

- many of its "only on Xbox" titles were also on pc

- most of its catalog is western (not Japanese) fare

- many of its third party things were at least okay on GameCube, ps2, pc, or all three

- the whole system was cracked wide open and is easily pirated. I would think that many of the biggest Xbox fans have large hard drives full of every game they would want and have little need for original disks.

I can think of a few cool Xbox exclusives not seen elsewhere, like steel battalion and panzer dragoon orta, but so much of the system is forgettable crap. Like every game system!



^^^^^^ This says it all

[T2KFreeker]

That game will always command a premium. The N64 version still goes for $50+ used and so does this version. And I can guarantee you that in a few years Rare Replay(which just launched today) will also go up in price for used copies. Not only does it have Conker's on there but several other games that have a decent second hand value as well.

Just sad really. The funny thing is it really isn't that great of a game either, to be quite honest. While it isn't the worst game I have ever played, there are so many much better games available on both platforms...

[Flojomojo]

I liked the Star Wars games on Xbox too...in their time. But honestly that time has passed.

Microsoft killed online long ago, so even if you could get a gang of people together to play Clone Wars, Jedi Academy, or Battlefront, it wouldn't work (in contrast to the wide-open PS2 version of Battlefront II, which still has players even now!).

The best games (Starfighter, Republic Commando, Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy, Battlefront II, KOTOR I and II) are easy and cheap to find in digital stores, and they run in higher resolutions and faster frame rates than Xbox ever could, even on cheap hardware like a $200 HP Stream. I really like the mobile port of KOTOR.

The true xbox console exclusive games? I can think of Obi-Wan (was always crap, except possibly the ridiculous pie-fight "battle royale" mode) and Jedi Starfighter, which is also on the PS2. I would love to see a "PS2 Classics" release of Jedi Starfighter like we got on the PS3 last May the 4th, but I'd much rather have a high resolution, widescreen, multiplayer Rogue Squadron trilogy remaster.

Better yet would be for 2015 Battlefront to be so good that we don't need to pine away for old games anymore.

[The Clonus Horror]

I bought an OG Xbox in early 2002, and it took me a while to "warm up to." Once I started playing stuff like Burnout 3, Stubbs the Zombie, Fable, and online in Far Cry, Halo 2, and the Battlefront games, I really started to appreciate the console more. I have it hooked up to my 32" LED TV through component, and it's the only console of that generation that does not look absolutely horrid on it, imo. I also prefer its version of Marvel: Ultimate Alliance to any other, even the 360...though I have no actual logical explanation for that. I LOVE wrestling games, and, the Xbox most certainly did NOT deliver in that department. :D