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Daria
07-30-2015, 12:26 PM
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Wonder Project J is an adorable SNES mouse title from the Creators of EVO

https://youtu.be/g_iE14L6PDw

Goonies never say die! But they do press start

https://youtu.be/BjHP8pQ4K50

Princess Tomato in the Salad Kingdom is a text adventure

https://youtu.be/fIFQZFEcNmk

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Haunted Halloween '85 - Nostalgic NES Homebrew Platformer (https://youtu.be/lETOPG2A6B8)
Treasures of the Rudras - Square's best RPG unreleased in the west (https://youtu.be/Hl-IEblJjqQ)
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LandStalker - Isometric Action RPG for the Sega Genesis (https://youtu.be/tchsug13Y7A)
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Famicom Detective Club Part II [SNES] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQuVd4ajyeo&list=PLUcK66_0C50ggU3z-Ec8BdT4ZHViJhBHM)

FieryReign
07-30-2015, 02:15 PM
Most of these would bore the hell out of someone new to the genre, especially BOF3. If someone isn't into rpgs, these aren't going to change their mind. Arcadia and DQ8 would be too hard for a rookie. Alot of these are too grind heavy, and that's boring.

The Paper Mario or Mario + Luigi games would be good be better as an intro to the cliched, overrated genre.

Alpha2099
07-30-2015, 03:00 PM
I remember being a rookie to the JRPG genre. My first epic-length JRPG was 'The Legend of Dragoon' on PS1. I still play that game today, nearly 15 years later. I can practically beat it in my sleep now, but as a kid it provided just enough challenge to be entertaining, while still being simple enough that a new gamer can appreciate it and not feel overwhelmed. When I saw the thread title, I was hoping LoD would make the list.

Daria
07-30-2015, 04:58 PM
Most of these would bore the hell out of someone new to the genre, especially BOF3. If someone isn't into rpgs, these aren't going to change their mind. Arcadia and DQ8 would be too hard for a rookie. Alot of these are too grind heavy, and that's boring.

The Paper Mario or Mario + Luigi games would be good be better as an intro to the cliched, overrated genre.


Aside from something like Dark Souls or Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne RPGs aren't really "hard". They might be grindy, cryptic, or have a brief learning curve but prohibited by skill? No. I also don't believe in "beginner's RPGs" as I don't think they're necessary. Most people that love the genre do so because they found a game that resonated with them and they keep trying to recreate the experience. The whole point of the article was the show that all you really need to get hooked on the genre is a solid game. People who love RPGs (and hey they're not for everyone) fell in love with a great game, doesn't matter what the title was, but to them it was a great game. No one ever quotes Mario & Luigi as being their favorite games. A fun diversion yes? But I don't know of any die hard Mario & Luigi fans. Non RPG gamers might enjoy them, but I don't think they're likely to convert someone into becoming an enthusiast of the genre.

Basically I made of list of games with qualities that I feel outweigh the inherent "flaws" of the genre. If you play these 5 and hate them, I'm willing to bet you won't like any traditional RPGs.

Paper Mario almost made my list though. :P

Tanooki
07-30-2015, 05:06 PM
Paper Mario 64 is no RPG, it fakes being one but it's really a timing based action game with RPG elements and to reinforce that they also capped you from being able to level up because if you hit a hidden leveling point for the section you're on, the suddenly 5xp a goomba goes to 1xp for the entire cluster in a fight. You either learn to be good at timing if you're just not eternally cursed with it (like me) and grind like hell for 100 battles to get the XP needed to level up like once.

Skies I think would be fantastic, the GC one at least, if it wasn't so damned tricky at places and also overly aggressive with the often popping up encounter rate and the boring forcing of watching all the spells which grates as the story and especially those unique airship battles are amazing. I find it amazing no Final Fantasy, especially a 16bit era one of all things, didn't make the list. FF4 for instance would be an excellent go-to trainer because you gain levels and talents at certain levels. The characters are a constant, you don't character switch and have to swap out to level up like 10 dudes, the story is fantastic and emotional for what it is, and it's also a good 20 hour adventure so it's a nice bite sized easily tackled adventure for the newbie or the experienced wanting a small distraction.

Daria
07-30-2015, 05:25 PM
I find it amazing no Final Fantasy, especially a 16bit era one of all things, didn't make the list.

I like Chrono Trigger better. :P

Tanooki
07-30-2015, 06:03 PM
And I can't even finish it as it gets boring. :) That and for some multiple endings would not be a plus, nor would having to muddle through setting up combo attacks.

ZeroCool
07-30-2015, 06:20 PM
Lunar for Noobs? Gotta disagree on that one. I played it a couple of years ago and I literally got my ass handed to me unless I grinded for awhile. This was in that cave after you leave your hometown or whatever it is. I was like WTF? It is only the beginning, I still gotta continue that.

Gamevet
07-30-2015, 10:34 PM
I think Skies of Arcadia would be a good recommendation, but the encounter rate just sucked all the fun out of the game near the end. Did the GC version improve it that much over the DC version?

Here are a few of my recommendations:

Grandia II (DC) - The player could choose to avoid battles for the most part, but when they did happen, they didn't feel like a chore. Who didn't like Millenia's special attacks?

Wild Arms (Playstation) - The game has really nice FMV cut-scenes, the battles look pretty cool, the exploring isn't tedious and the game doesn't take too long to complete.

Shining: The Holy Ark (Saturn) - It's a nice mix of 16-bit and 32-bit RPGs, with the old dungeon crawling in the 1st person view. Yeah, there are moments where you'll have one encounter right after another, but there are also times where you won't encounter an enemy for a minute or 2. The battle music has a nice tempo and the music sort of fits the mood for this style of game. It's not that long of a game either.

TheBenenator
07-30-2015, 10:42 PM
Final Fantasy V. Yes, the class system takes some work, but (iirc) you're eased into it; the story overall doesn't take itself all that seriously. I would've said VI instead, but between the Esper-based spell-learning system (which can easily be skipped, of course) and Gau's Rages, plus the bugginess of most versions, I can't quite recommend it as the 1st game.

...to my surprise, most of the other games that come to mind are either just SLIGHTLY too complicated and/or eyebrow-raising (SMT: Digital Devil Saga), not menu-based for the character you directly control (Tales of Symphonia), or were also made by Squaresoft (FF4,9,10; Chrono Trigger, Threads of Fate[aka Dewprism]). :/

celerystalker
07-30-2015, 10:53 PM
Probably....

Super Mario RPG (SNES): Familiar characters, pretty standard and understandable interface, a fair amount of comedy, and a pleasant, upbeat soundtrack make it more accessible than most.

Earthbound (SNES): A setting that most players will relate with their childhood in some way, an extremely traditional interface, loads of comedy to reward even wasted time, and very little grinding allow Earthbound to be imminently playable.

Lunar (PS1): Anime-flavored swords and sorcery that takes a little grinding, but should appeal to anime fans. Funny, too.

Suikoden (PS1): A real roller coaster of fun and adventure. There is so much to find and an uncomplicated battle system that it can really capture the imagination of a player. You do a ton of stuff without it becoming too overwhelming.

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest (SNES): Even if they don't finish it, Mystic Quest is a great RPG tutorial. What an easy way to learn tropes like elemental affinities or HP/MP management. About 90% of the game is applicable to the genre.

Edit: forgot about the one per developer rule. Still, I think all of these have distinctive flavors.

Dashopepper
07-31-2015, 01:08 PM
Wow there are a lot of posts here without yet mentioning or honorable mention for Pokemon. By far it has been the most popular introduction into the genre for the last 15 years. While it may lack in story and other places, it magically makes random battle encounters fun for all ages.

It was my introduction into rpg's when I had always been scared off before at the age of 15. After that I remember picking up Golden Sun thinking Mabey the turn based battles could be fun. Now I buy them for my nices who love them at 6, 7 and 9 years old.

Nate Nanjo
07-31-2015, 02:47 PM
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest (SNES): Even if they don't finish it, Mystic Quest is a great RPG tutorial. What an easy way to learn tropes like elemental affinities or HP/MP management. About 90% of the game is applicable to the genre.


I love this game, but even if people hate the game you got to love the soundtrack. >> <<

bb_hood
07-31-2015, 03:31 PM
Nice video!



Wow there are a lot of posts here without yet mentioning or honorable mention for Pokemon. By far it has been the most popular introduction into the genre for the last 15 years. While it may lack in story and other places, it magically makes random battle encounters fun for all ages.


Good point!

kupomogli
07-31-2015, 03:42 PM
I agree with the list of overall being good RPGs, but I disagree with Dragon Quest 8 and Skies of Arcadia as being good for beginners of the genre. Dragon Quest 8 isn't grindy until later, but the game progresses very slowly going from point to point and I think that may be a turn off to people who are new to the genre. Also, the leveling up feature in Dragon Quest 8 where you use points to learn skills can break your characters, something I wouldn't think of throwing on someone new to the genre, especially since I dislike the way they did it myself. Skies of Arcadia with the high encounter rate, the long flashy skills, and the game being a little disorienting at first is also something that I think would scare away newcomers from the genre instead of get them interested.

I think Chrono Trigger and Breath of Fire 3 though were great choices. Lunar is a good choice in terms of the world and the experience, but I'd personally choose Grandia as a game that captures the same sort of feel. With Grandia though, I feel is a much easier title to get into because of how amazing the battle system is and all throughout the game you're working towards better skills, spells, etc, while Lunar you just have a handful of skills, and most newbies to the genre might dislike the lack of variety because they didn't grow up with the games and it would be easier to get into something with more variety than something like Lunar. Lunar can be a good start, but it does seem like the type of game younger generations might not get into until they're already initiated with other games in the genre.

Suikoden would be another choice I'd add to the list. Battles in Suikoden are visually appealing while being fast paced and it has a overall good battle system without any grinding whatsoever. For a game with 108 characters, there are a lot of memorable characters throughout many major scenes throughout the game. Additionally, while they won't get this experience from the first game alone, when they do get into RPGs and start playing future titles from the series because of the experience they had with this title, they'll notice how much each game ties to one another and see how much an expansive world the Suikoden universe is once they play the second game afterwards(even if they stop playing at that.)

Guardian's Crusade. Now without a recommendation, this is one of those games I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't play, but I'd recommend this to both beginners and veterans alike. The world of this game is graphically like Mega Man Legends and progression wise through most of the game plays similar although much larger. The game is explorable but has set paths to keep you on track so while being a fully 3D open world, you won't get lost and not be able to find where to go(atleast until late game when you get the grasshopper/ship.) Combat is simplistic with the player controlling a single character but that doesn't stop there being depth to the combat system thanks to the living toy system that act as additional characters that can be brought to and stay on the field of battle or one that come on the field and cast a single spell then leave. You also have your AI ally baby who is randomly controlled and will use attacks and spells on his own.

That's how I'd update your list. Still include Chrono Trigger and Breath of Fire 3, replace the others for Grandia, Suikoden, and Guardian's Crusade.

Tanooki
07-31-2015, 04:28 PM
Wow there are a lot of posts here without yet mentioning or honorable mention for Pokemon. By far it has been the most popular introduction into the genre for the last 15 years. While it may lack in story and other places, it magically makes random battle encounters fun for all ages.

It was my introduction into rpg's when I had always been scared off before at the age of 15. After that I remember picking up Golden Sun thinking Mabey the turn based battles could be fun. Now I buy them for my nices who love them at 6, 7 and 9 years old.


Nice video!
Good point!

Very good point. I guess it's one of those thing where something is so obvious people just overlook it. I think the history alone on it with it being like 20 years old now (amazing I know) with the age demographic it shoots for, yet the other ages it still retains, says a lot for its staying power as a 'best' of the JRPGs. Sure they don't vary much, but it's one hell of an introduction to RPGs and it also benefits from as dash said -- making random battle encounters fun for all ages. I for one can't stand yet can at the same time Pokemon depending on the game. I can't finish the things, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I had 2 versions of it I keep around because I end up missing the random finds and captures of the things so I keep Yellow and FireRed around. It may get tiring after another 10hours or something I put into it, but I always tend to come back and piddle some more time on it after wiping the save and going at it again. It has all the RPGs mechanics on it other than the all party/team attack where everyone benefits from the fight XP and all (though the latest X/Y has a very potent XP share item.) You buy, you sell, it just lacks buying/selling using weapons and armor, has spells, brute attacks, defense, parry, item usage, mid-boss and full boss fights, and so on with it.

lendelin
07-31-2015, 06:57 PM
Well done, Daria, and that means the list but in particular the explanations why the games should be on the list.

I know about the 'one developer-one game'-rule, but I'd get rid of the rule and throw out Skies of Arcadia, and instead put FFX or FFXII or Ni No Kuni on the list. :)

I'm so glad you put Dragon Quest VIII on top. It is such an underrated game, and it is possibly the best RPG I've ever played. I underline everything you said about the game, additionally there was one extraordinary aspect which made it brilliant: the pacing. The pacing was so good, there seemed to be no tedious or boring moment throughout the game. You leveled up if you needed to, the story developed at the right time, the boss battles weren't too early or too late, even the unavoidable grinding was fun. It was a perfect balance of all important RPG elements. To go after the golden and silver slimes was just great.

DQ VIII bridged perfectly the old and new RPGs. In 3D it gives you the feeling of an 8bit or 16bit RPG while the visuals and self-humoring story is modern. Just a great game.

Keep those posts and videos up, I love to watch and read them.

FieryReign
07-31-2015, 08:17 PM
Aside from something like Dark Souls or Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne RPGs aren't really "hard". They might be grindy, cryptic, or have a brief learning curve but prohibited by skill? No. I also don't believe in "beginner's RPGs" as I don't think they're necessary. Most people that love the genre do so because they found a game that resonated with them and they keep trying to recreate the experience. The whole point of the article was the show that all you really need to get hooked on the genre is a solid game. People who love RPGs (and hey they're not for everyone) fell in love with a great game, doesn't matter what the title was, but to them it was a great game. No one ever quotes Mario & Luigi as being their favorite games. A fun diversion yes? But I don't know of any die hard Mario & Luigi fans. Non RPG gamers might enjoy them, but I don't think they're likely to convert someone into becoming an enthusiast of the genre.

Basically I made of list of games with qualities that I feel outweigh the inherent "flaws" of the genre. If you play these 5 and hate them, I'm willing to bet you won't like any traditional RPGs.

Paper Mario almost made my list though. :P

DQ8 and Skies of Arcadia are 2 of the few rpgs that I actually enjoyed and finished. But I certainly wouldn't recommend them to a "noob". And I really can't stand rpgs, even though I've tried numerous games.

Well, I didn't think this topic was about "great rpgs" that's why I mentioned Mario+Luigi. Who cares if people don't call them they're favorite all-time games? They're simplified action-orientated rpgs that don't convolute things with unnecessary menus and gameplay that actually requires some gameplay. Not just clicking through menus and upgrading your characters with +2def and -1off armors, and other such nonsense.

You're not going to win any new fans with random battles. That concept is so outdated and asinine. DQ came out like 30 years ago yet they still make games with this bullshit. Grindy rpgs will get no love from "noobs" either. Who the hell has time to sit there and fight hundreds of monsters just to see their stats go up a level? Not to mention the boringness of fighting the same enemies over and over again. You'd better have an extremely fun battle system in place if your game requires grind. It might also help if there were an rpg without that overly cutesy anime fluff. Not everybody likes that art style. It's nice to be able to distinguish male characters from female.

Tanooki
07-31-2015, 08:31 PM
DQ8 and Skies of Arcadia are 2 of the few rpgs that I actually enjoyed and finished. But I certainly wouldn't recommend them to a "noob". And I really can't stand rpgs, even though I've tried numerous games.

Well, I didn't think this topic was about "great rpgs" that's why I mentioned Mario+Luigi. Who cares if people don't call them they're favorite all-time games? They're simplified action-orientated rpgs that don't convolute things with unnecessary menus and gameplay that actually requires some gameplay. Not just clicking through menus and upgrading your characters with +2def and -1off armors, and other such nonsense.

You're not going to win any new fans with random battles. That concept is so outdated and asinine. DQ came out like 30 years ago yet they still make games with this bullshit. Grindy rpgs will get no love from "noobs" either. Who the hell has time to sit there and fight hundreds of monsters just to see their stats go up a level? Not to mention the boringness of fighting the same enemies over and over again. You'd better have an extremely fun battle system in place if your game requires grind. It might also help if there were an rpg without that overly cutesy anime fluff. Not everybody likes that art style. It's nice to be able to distinguish male characters from female.

I agree with you in the first part there on those 2 games and they're really not noob friendly as you put it. The second part, you're right, DQ is now 30 years old and random battles are BS at this rate, but DQ also doesn't do it anymore as they stopped with the 9th one on the DS. The monsters now show up on the map and float/walk around and you have to get within an aggro range to them to have them chase you down, so they are avoidable, so it's not random anymore which I approve of entirely. Sadly the other part is right, it's still a damned grind fest. I recently picked up DW1+2 and DW3 on GBC and I'm just pecking away at it now because it's so grindy. I tried to use the Retron5 to boost my stats but the damn system wouldn't copy the save back to the carts. :( I just wanted to enjoy the ride, not play them for 40+ hours.

FoxNtd
07-31-2015, 09:49 PM
It's difficult to identify if "for noobs" means for lower-skilled players or specifically players entering the RPG genre who may or may not be well-equipped to do well and feel comfortable with the difficulty level presented from the start. In any case, there's a game I played not long ago that may be a fun choice for this topic. I don't know what the popular opinion of this game is; whether it's well received or has a poor notoriety for some oddball reasons, but it's comedic, interesting, offers a varierty of unique/interesting ideas and mechanics and has a healthy pace to it to maintain a player's interest. The game I nominate is Rogue Galaxy. I've played the original JP release, not Director's Cut, so whatever I missed out on I don't know what it is or how much it affects the game's assessment. I think the developer did a great job putting together a rich pleasant experience. For someone new to RPGs, someone who hasn't had a fair chance to understand why they're fun, I think it's a good role model for this purpose.

Some of the most popular "best" RPGs tend to be menu-driven in battles and that experience for a new player to the genre might be so disuading that the player may feel the entire genre is dull and slow. It's probably important to perceive via experience (no pun intended) what the fun factor is in this genre to build up tolerance for some initially negative factors like menu-driven battles and other things non-RPG gamers tend to complain about.

Tanooki
07-31-2015, 10:14 PM
Personally for me the noob comment has a few qualifiers.

You actually are new to the concept either entirely or you've maybe dabbled in like one of them ever before so it's basically fresh.

Then you have your unskilled or just poor players who just suck at the type of game and just fail to do well or get far. And third to that are those who have low tolerances for overly repetitive slow grinds in games, not even quite just qualifying only for RPGs but other games too that crawl to get to the point which could drive people mad for various reasons. Perhaps you have low tolerances to bs. Maybe you have other things in life (kids, job(s), other responsibilities.) Or maybe you just have a very small amount of patience in general. People like that probably could easily thumb their way through a Final Fantasy 2 SNES cart because its' a 20 hour game, it could be done in a month with casual play an hour here or there. But someone under any of those qualifiers would probably say screw this garbage and walk from any Dragon Quest main line RPG, FF games from like 6 and later that are like 30-70 hour games plus, Skies of Arcadia stuff that crawls too due to over zealous random battles making dungeon crawling and map traversing a slog.

A game like DQ7 or 8 maybe easy to get the concept and easy enough not to die, but that's only because they're so bloody slow to get anywhere because of how they're designed by the time you can safely go somewhere you'll have bought all the gear you need and the XP required walking around outside a town for 5-10 hours or more. Garbage like that is not fun for a lot of people for any reason including those I gave just above. That's why I argued for different titles on my list as I was thinking of not just the noob, but also those who have other things going on in life or have a personality that games like that would grate their nerves raw.

lendelin
08-01-2015, 12:07 AM
I think the discussion about the best RPG entry games is exaggerated. There are only a few RPGs I wouldn't recommend to beginners, but all the games in the OP are suited for RPG newbies. Actually, the vast majority of RPGs aren't a hindrance if you are a bit interested in the genre.

In 1990, I had little experience with videogames. I had only played Life Force, Mega Man 2, Ninja Gaiden and Zelda 2 before I tried a strange game called 'Final Fantasy'. They called it a 'Role Playing Game,' Nintendo Power and other game mags had explained in detail what kind of a game genre that is when in 1989 Dragon Warrior on the NES was released. I knew that Dragon Warrior despite a huge marketing effort by Nintendo didn't sell well at all, but I was curious and tried this Final Fantasy game. (Supposedly it was successful in Japan) Result: I wasn't overwhelmed, the game was not too complicated for me as Nintendo was afraid of for European and American players, and I appreciated RPGs from my first FF on.

I think if you have a dispostion to like RPGs, not a lot of games can throw you off. :)

kupomogli
08-01-2015, 12:45 AM
I think the discussion about the best RPG entry games is exaggerated. There are only a few RPGs I wouldn't recommend to beginners, but all the games in the OP are suited for RPG newbies. Actually, the vast majority of RPGs aren't a hindrance if you are a bit interested in the genre.

In 1990, I had little experience with videogames. I had only played Life Force, Mega Man 2, Ninja Gaiden and Zelda 2 before I tried a strange game called 'Final Fantasy'. They called it a 'Role Playing Game,' Nintendo Power and other game mags had explained in detail what kind of a game genre that is when in 1989 Dragon Warrior on the NES was released. I knew that Dragon Warrior despite a huge marketing effort by Nintendo didn't sell well at all, but I was curious and tried this Final Fantasy game. (Supposedly it was successful in Japan) Result: I wasn't overwhelmed, the game was not too complicated for me as Nintendo was afraid of for European and American players, and I appreciated RPGs from my first FF on.

I think if you have a dispostion to like RPGs, not a lot of games can throw you off. :)

If someone wants to get into RPGs, you're right, not a lot of highly praised games are going to turn them off. But this post and video could be considered what if you have friends who have no interest in getting into the genre, and what could you show them to get them into it? With the games you played, it's comparing 8bit game to 8bit. What about gamers who started gaming in the last gen regardless of age? The original Final Fantasy is a great game, but it might feel a bit too limited and archaic not only in terms of how it plays but graphics too. You'd rather show these people games that are timeless in execution rather than something that is clearly showing its age, especially when you're trying to get someone who's not very interested in trying the genre.

FieryReign
08-01-2015, 01:51 AM
No doubt, these are good games. Except for BOF3, that just boggles the domepiece. Would you expect your friends, who crush Madden even in the offseason, to like these games? Or your friend who is into online fps? Or your friend who is into mmorpg type shit? Maybe, but it depends. I still think it's a niche genre. Despite the perception that it's popular.

Daria
08-02-2015, 02:52 AM
It's actually kind of funny. I can't get my husband to play my games usually (when we met he wasn't big on games with a lot of reading), but he LOVES both Dragon Quest 8 and Skies of Arcadia. Really the only two JRPGs he'd actually had the patience to play. So Nyaaaahhh! (jk) :P

Ni No Kuni (come to think of it he liked this one too) IS an excellent suggestion and one I originally wanted to cover but I can't capture footage from my PS3. So that really limited the systems I could pick from.

FrankSerpico
08-03-2015, 04:44 PM
Good list, but I'm biased as Skies is tied with FF4 as my favorite JRPG of all-time.

JSoup
08-04-2015, 03:19 AM
What about the classic homebrew brought to us by Bratwurst? It was a big hit in your last RPG topic, Daria.

http://i.imgur.com/vy5tCNq.jpg

MetalFRO
08-05-2015, 02:07 PM
I enjoyed the video, and totally agree with Lunar - it was one of my first RPG's, and the learning curve was pretty minimal. I'm surprised Earthbound isn't in the list, given the way a lot of people say it's hardly grindy at all, and is very well paced.

Daria
08-09-2015, 03:09 AM
What about the classic homebrew brought to us by Bratwurst? It was a big hit in your last RPG topic, Daria.


I've moved onto the spiritual successor:
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm284/ztakxilef/DragonsinSpace-2.png

TheBenenator
08-10-2015, 01:19 PM
I didn't mention Pokemon because I burned out on it. :p I've played and beaten Ruby, Emerald, XD: Gale of Darkness, and FireRed several times each; Platinum, SoulSilver, and Black once each. Once I learned about IVs and Natures and RNG exploitation . . . ugh. Fell down the Buneary-hole with several months straight of catching non-cruddy legendaries and breeding Nature/IV/movesets . Eventually got sick of it and moved on to Persona 3/4, and from there the Shin Megami Tensei series in general. Didn't play Pokemon at all for over a year, blocked it out . . . and now I'm playing Platinum again because of Dashopepper's comment.

Daria, a video on strategy RPGs would be great -- I'm a big fan of the Disgaea series, and somewhat less so of Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions. Sure, Disgaea has a LOT of mechanics, especially from 3 on, but you don't have to know or master all of them to play the storyline. :)

Daria
08-10-2015, 01:30 PM
Daria, a video on strategy RPGs would be great -- I'm a big fan of the Disgaea series, and somewhat less so of Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions. Sure, Disgaea has a LOT of mechanics, especially from 3 on, but you don't have to know or master all of them to play the storyline. :)

I'd be sooo tempted to just start naming off games from the Shining series and call it a day though. :P

Actually I think I need to brush up on my strategy gaming before tacking that list. While I've played a lot, there's a few genre stables I've never even touched - like the original FFT and Tactics Ogre.

bb_hood
08-10-2015, 01:49 PM
The first Final Fantasy Tactics is really really good. Its one of the best PlayStation games in my opinion.

celerystalker
08-10-2015, 02:14 PM
I really like some of the less conventional ones like Ogre Battle, Dragon Force, and 7: The Cavalry of Molmoth.

Daria
09-06-2015, 07:30 PM
https://youtu.be/HeDD6xhzaSg

New video. I wanted to bring some attention to some of the really awesome NES homebrews that are currently in development. This review covers the playable demo recently released for Legends of Owlia plus highlights a plethora of indie titles in general.

Basically Owlia is an action adventure game in the style of Legend of Zelda (or Star Tropics - which the creator credits as inspiration). Spoiler alert: I loved it. (:

Daria
09-12-2015, 02:10 AM
New Video:

Big surprise! It's an RPG.


https://youtu.be/FWiXfaerwRs

Nz17
09-14-2015, 05:55 PM
Request: More RPG's for SEGA consoles please. :cheers:

Daria
09-15-2015, 01:56 AM
Request: More RPG's for SEGA consoles please. :cheers:

Your request has been duly noted sir. (:

Although my next video will be another homebrew game, since the author was generous enough to send me a review copy. But I also promised Zebbe I'd give my opinion on Pier Solar, so there's that in the near future to look forward to.

Daria
09-21-2015, 09:01 AM
New video! The Incident from Khan Games


https://youtu.be/UVDybuN9KaY

Daria
10-04-2015, 08:01 PM
https://youtu.be/dgenb6LbaWU

lendelin
10-06-2015, 03:44 AM
Very good reviews of Little Ninja Brothers and Arabian Nights, I liked them.

If Little Ninja Brothers wouldn't be so pricey in the meantime (cib) watching your review tempted me to pick it up.

Too bad that Arabian Nights didn't turn out better. You showed the pros and cons very clearly. The unduly frequent random encounters in RPGs is a well-known problem even in fantastic ones like Skies of Arcadia for the DC. I asked myself why the programmers (although it is a homebrew) fell into this trap. Exaggerated encounters are frustrating at best if the gamer has a specific goal during a game session and are a big hurdle to identify with the storyline. Even for grind-loving animals like myself too frequent battles are just frustrating.

Daria
10-06-2015, 10:50 AM
Very good reviews of Little Ninja Brothers and Arabian Nights, I liked them.
Aww... thank you!


If Little Ninja Brothers wouldn't be so pricey in the meantime (cib) watching your review tempted me to pick it up.
Tell me about it, I just paid $90 for LNB CIB, and it was a *cheap* copy all things considered.


Too bad that Arabian Nights didn't turn out better. You showed the pros and cons very clearly. The unduly frequent random encounters in RPGs is a well-known problem even in fantastic ones like Skies of Arcadia for the DC. I asked myself why the programmers (although it is a homebrew) fell into this trap. Exaggerated encounters are frustrating at best if the gamer has a specific goal during a game session and are a big hurdle to identify with the storyline. Even for grind-loving animals like myself too frequent battles are just frustrating.

Arabian Nights wasn't a homebrew though, a legitimate commercial release in Japan, just fan translated. But I agree 100% about the random encounters, watching the video myself I was wondering why I didn't like the characters more. The clips I showed actually made them seem pretty likable but I'm wondering if that disconnect between the grind and the cutscenes was preventing me from getting into the story after all.

lendelin
10-07-2015, 11:35 AM
Aww... thank you!

You're welcome. I like your videos because you provide great information and you try to explain the games. WHY is it good, WHY is ist bad or mediocre, and what are the gameplay elements. This is much more than the ubiquitous 'let's play'-videos with wannabe funny comments. After all, the questions what makes a very good game, how can we identify with a game through gameplay and story, and how a story can be PLAYED and not merely watched are questions which are very difficult to answer.


Tell me about it, I just paid $90 for LNB CIB, and it was a *cheap* copy all things considered.

Yep, the prices are just insane nowadays. Sometimes I can only shake my head about the prices for classic games today. For six years I didn't care at all about price development for older games, and my last NES and SUper NES games I bought around 8 years ago. In the last couple of months I looked the prices for a couple of NES, SNES and Genesis games up I thought about buying, and I was just amazed how expensive they are CIB in the meantime. I can tolerate some insane prices for specific games like Castlevania Dracula X or Mega Man X3 (the latter was already ten years ago $300), but overall and on average the prices are terrible even for mediocre games. I'm glad that I have all of the Mega Man and Castlevania games minty mint, but I would never pay 400 for a cib Castlevania Dracula X. That's not worth it.

My good guess is that on average the prices for NES, SNES and Genesis games tripled compared to 10-12 years ago. Closer looks at price charting. com confirmes that.

I don't pursue collecting agressively, but I should have bought some more NES and SNES games 10-15 years ago. The prices were much more reasonable. (Just noticed that this developed to a rant, I'm sorry. :) )

We both can be glad that we have all the PS1 RPGs we wanted, the prices for them doubled in the meantime also. Can you imagine to buy all of your PS1 RPGs today?



Arabian Nights wasn't a homebrew though, a legitimate commercial release in Japan, just fan translated. But I agree 100% about the random encounters, watching the video myself I was wondering why I didn't like the characters more. The clips I showed actually made them seem pretty likable but I'm wondering if that disconnect between the grind and the cutscenes was preventing me from getting into the story after all.

If it is a commercial release with fan translation I might buy it. Despite its flaws it looked nevertheless interesting and like you I loved Magic of Sheherazade for the NES. (talking about prices, I got a sealed one from ebay around 2002 for 7 bucks) Now here comes the Q of a very cheap player/collector: how much and where can I buy it? :)

Daria
10-08-2015, 10:21 AM
We both can be glad that we have all the PS1 RPGs we wanted, the prices for them doubled in the meantime also. Can you imagine to buy all of your PS1 RPGs today?


I've managed to stay ahead of the spike on so many games, I don't have a huge collection compared to other collectors, but I seemed to have grabbed a lot of popular games early. I've always been a very frugal collector, so now that certain systems have gotten insane I focus on cheaper things - like PSP!



If it is a commercial release with fan translation I might buy it. Despite its flaws it looked nevertheless interesting and like you I loved Magic of Sheherazade for the NES. (talking about prices, I got a sealed one from ebay around 2002 for 7 bucks) Now here comes the Q of a very cheap player/collector: how much and where can I buy it? :)

Yeah I never want to do a review where I'm like: "This game is shit, never buy it!" I prefer to present the pros and cons so other people can make educated decisions about which games to play. Arabian Nights had some good points, I hope you get more fun from it than I did.

I also picked up a sealed Scheherazade in the early 2000s for super cheap (although I want to say it was more like $12 than $7) but regardless, cheap enough that I opened her up to play. (:

lendelin
10-09-2015, 11:22 PM
I've managed to stay ahead of the spike on so many games, I don't have a huge collection compared to other collectors, but I seemed to have grabbed a lot of popular games early. I've always been a very frugal collector, so now that certain systems have gotten insane I focus on cheaper things - like PSP!



Very smart thing to do. I feel the same way.

When everyone runs after one thing, stop, look around and go in a different direction. Right now to start collecting for Turbografix or Super NES is terrible. Go instead for Xbox games, they are great and still cheap to get. In the next couple of years there will be 360 games and PS3 games offered very cheap. I bought in 2007 and 2008 tons of great and cheap games I wanted for the Xbox, 2 or 3 years after a systems death is the best time to collect for it. And there will be times when NES and Super NES won't be so high in demand.

The basic rule is to get these games when they are cheap and to be patient. (And once in a while buy some expensive stuff we just can't resist and REALLY want)

Daria
12-09-2015, 07:06 PM
Sweet Home is (for lack of competition) the scariest game on the NES. It's also a fantastic RPG from Capcom

https://youtu.be/XANJSSXWU5w

lendelin
12-10-2015, 08:01 PM
Great review of Sweet Home! I wasn't aware of the game at all, probably because it was never released in the US; but thanks to your review I know now that it is a very important game for the history of the survival horror genre and for RPGs.

Too bad that it never came out in Europe or the US. (I assume you played a repro cart) This is a game which I'd like to play very much because these early 8bit games if done right show the raw gamelements of games today and remind us that the basics of games didn't change so much at all. The game surely paved the gameplay for a lot of survival horror games.

About the video: great editing (!!), I loved the way you compared the movie with the game and put game scenes side by side with scenes from the movie. The introduction is very well done because you showed which place the game has in game history and gave an insight in the survival horror genre (equals the incentive to watch the video); and like always you explained WHY this game is well done and it works, that means it accomplishes what it tries to do.

That's how a game review should be done! Great! (and not like these dumb and mindless reviews out there with wannabe funny babbling, screaming 'fuck' and 'bitch' all the time, and destroying games with a hammer while they don't explain a thing)

Daria
12-10-2015, 09:44 PM
Great review of Sweet Home! I wasn't aware of the game at all, probably because it was never released in the US; but thanks to your review I know now that it is a very important game for the history of the survival horror genre and for RPGs.

Too bad that it never came out in Europe or the US. (I assume you played a repro cart) This is a game which I'd like to play very much because these early 8bit games if done right show the raw gamelements of games today and remind us that the basics of games didn't change so much at all. The game surely paved the gameplay for a lot of survival horror games.

About the video: great editing (!!), I loved the way you compared the movie with the game and put game scenes side by side with scenes from the movie. The introduction is very well done because you showed which place the game has in game history and gave an insight in the survival horror genre (equals the incentive to watch the video); and like always you explained WHY this game is well done and it works, that means it accomplishes what it tries to do.

That's how a game review should be done! Great! (and not like these dumb and mindless reviews out there with wannabe funny babbling, screaming 'fuck' and 'bitch' all the time, and destroying games with a hammer while they don't explain a thing)

Heh. While this is one of three games I do have reproduction carts for, I just emulated it. It's really convenient for capturing footage and I'm not at all squeamish when it comes to emulation. But thank you for the feedback. This video took so long to make I nearly threw in the towel more than once, but I'm really happy with how it turned out (some goofy pronunciation excluded). I like funny videos as much as anyone else, but I feel like there's a need for more analytical spin when it comes to RPGs. With the popularity of reproduction carts I keep seeing the same 15 games or so getting all the praise. And so many collectors are dead set against emulation I don't think they realize what's even out there.

bb_hood
12-13-2015, 02:02 AM
Nice video. Sweet Home really is one of the best games on the NES.
I played through it earlier this year and I couldnt put it down untill I beat it. In some ways its very similar to Earthbound. In both games you have to pray to defeat the final boss.

Daria
12-13-2015, 08:21 PM
Nice video. Sweet Home really is one of the best games on the NES.
I played through it earlier this year and I couldnt put it down untill I beat it. In some ways its very similar to Earthbound. In both games you have to pray to defeat the final boss.

That's an interesting point - didn't think of that. They're both also take place in a "modern" setting. That alone is pretty unusual for an RPG.

Daria
12-17-2015, 11:21 AM
Ever wondered how Zelda would play as a Breakout/Arknoid action game? No?! Well the developers of this somewhat obscure SNES oddity sure did.


https://youtu.be/SXVzKW4mXH4

Special thanks to Robert Lee Diefendorf​ for cleaning up the audio quality.

lendelin
12-18-2015, 10:58 PM
Great review of Firestriker! Well, Daria, with this review you did it! I was never subscribed to a youtube channel but just now I subscribed to yours!

I have to tell you, your reviews are getting better and better. I loved how you embedded the game up to Odama, and at the end of the review the watcher/listener knows what this game is about with its strenghts and flaws.

Wasn't there a similar game on the Super Famicom, something called like Zig Zag Cats? I have to look that up. I remember it was a Breakout style adventure game with paddles.

Too bad that Firestriker nowadays is complete so expensive. After watching your video I was tempted to buy it.

Keep it up, girl! :)

Daria
12-19-2015, 08:26 PM
Wasn't there a similar game on the Super Famicom, something called like Zig Zag Cats? I have to look that up. I remember it was a Breakout style adventure game with paddles.


Oooh. That one's new to me! Wish I'd known about it before I did the video. ;)

Edit: It looks more arcade-y somehow. Although it does have this free roaming hub between stages where you can save and do stuff? I love the zigu zagu gato voice synch during the title screen. Amazingly clear sound quality.

Daria
12-24-2015, 12:36 PM
Sega fans already know the awesome in store when playing Landstalker - do you?

https://youtu.be/tchsug13Y7A

lendelin
12-26-2015, 01:52 PM
Great review again! I have Landstalker for about 15 years, never played it, now it's time to change that. I completely forgot that the game has an isometric view, and since I loved (!) Solstice (NES) and Equinox (SNES) I'll give the game a try. I had no idea that the game has such great graphics.

I agree that the biggest hurdle for gameplay with isometric view are the diagonal jumps and finding out the exact position of the blocks. In Equinox and Solstice these were part of the puzzles and the games even played with optical illusions, so it wasn't frustrating. I'll see how this works with an action-adventure with RPG elements.

Is Time Stalkers for the Dreamcast a sequel to Landstalker?

Koa Zo
12-26-2015, 10:26 PM
Is Time Stalkers for the Dreamcast a sequel to Landstalker?
I think they may take place in the same world, but the games are nothing alike.

Daria
12-27-2015, 04:08 AM
I think they may take place in the same world, but the games are nothing alike.

Yeah Time Stalkers is a rogue-like, mystery-dungeon game. Has some character cameos from other Climax games, like Shining in the Darkness and Landstalker.

Daria
01-16-2016, 04:01 AM
Willow proves that even movie-tie in games can be good

https://youtu.be/A_jBj6bFoiM

Daria
01-23-2016, 03:48 AM
Shadows of Adam is a new Kickstarter JRPG in the style of Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest

https://youtu.be/4aoVk8I2oYQ

lendelin
01-24-2016, 01:03 AM
Great review of Willow! I commented on that already on your Youtube page, I like this game a lot, it has charme and atmosphere. And the editing of your Youtube reviews are really good.

Interesting project this 'Shadow of Adam' game. I will look into it, I like the gameplay and the looks. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Daria
01-24-2016, 10:50 AM
Great review of Willow! I commented on that already on your Youtube page, I like this game a lot, it has charme and atmosphere. And the editing of your Youtube reviews are really good.

Interesting project this 'Shadow of Adam' game. I will look into it, I like the gameplay and the looks. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

It's a shame Capcom doesn't do RPGs anymore - although I know better. Modern Capcom is an empty shell of it's former self.

Also, yeah, I feel like I learn something new with every project (in regards to editing).

Daria
02-05-2016, 07:18 PM
Treasure of the Rudras is the best RPG from Squaresoft to remain unreleased in the West

https://youtu.be/Hl-IEblJjqQ

lendelin
02-06-2016, 11:05 PM
Great that you reviewed Treasure of the Rudras!

Recently I read up more in depth about Super Famicom RPGs not released in the US and Europe, and I discovered Repro carts of these games. I have to play these games, I had no idea how many fantastic SNES-RPGS were unfortunately never released in America. I am so looking forward to play these fantastic games.

I 'll buy the following games very soon, do you have other suggestions? I might have overlooked some must-have games.

Secret of Mana 2
Tales of Phantasia
Star Ocean
Treasure of the Rudras
Romancing Saga 3

I really want the Tales game because I have all the Tales games released in the US (for consoles, I don't collect and play handhelds except for the couple of GBA games I have which I play with the Gameboy Player on the GameCube).

Daria
02-07-2016, 02:38 AM
Great that you reviewed Treasure of the Rudras!

Recently I read up more in depth about Super Famicom RPGs not released in the US and Europe, and I discovered Repro carts of these games. I have to play these games, I had no idea how many fantastic SNES-RPGS were unfortunately never released in America. I am so looking forward to play these fantastic games.

I 'll buy the following games very soon, do you have other suggestions? I might have overlooked some must-have games.

Secret of Mana 2
Tales of Phantasia
Star Ocean
Treasure of the Rudras
Romancing Saga 3

I really want the Tales game because I have all the Tales games released in the US (for consoles, I don't collect and play handhelds except for the couple of GBA games I have which I play with the Gameboy Player on the GameCube).

Just warning you, Romancing Saga 3 doesn't have a finished translation and your character name displays with weird spacing issues (drives me nuts). It's mostly done, but I'd hold on a reproduction honestly. Tales of Phantasia's a good game, the SNES translation has a lot of swearing which a lot of people complain about. I didn't mind it, but it does sound out of place. The upgraded PSX version has two complete translations available, if I were to play the game again today it would be one of those and not the SNES version. Just for the updated graphics and additional party character. Also I'd probably just stick to the PSP version of Star Ocean, but there's nothing wrong with the SNES original. Seiken Densetsu 3 is a must play though! As is (obviously) Rudra.

I also really liked:

Dragon Quest III (the SFC remake is gorgeous)
Dragon Quest V (yeah it's on DS but this is one of my favorite games)
Dark Half (haven't spent too much time on this one but the concept of playing a vampire who has to eat NPCs to survive is a great hook)
FEDA (It's like a darker more serious Shining Force)
Glory of Heracles 3 (a really solid Dragon Quest clone in ancient Greece)
Live A Live (Plays a lot like Saga Frontier, choose different chapters set in different time periods and genre settings with their own parties and gameplay styles)
Madou Monogatari (You play a 6 year old little girl who happens to be the mascot from the puyo puyo games. She's a kindergartener in magic school and has to pass her final exam. It's a pretty simple game, but adorable and funny)
Emerald Dragon (pretty basic RPG but I really liked the characters)
Sailor Moon Another Story (Very pink. Terrible difficulty balance. But - dammit I really liked it. The story was all over the place and advanced quickly. Each sailor scout has her own mission, so you get a ton of backstory and character development)
Radical Dreamers (Not an RPG. But a visual novel that ties in with Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. Very well written and absolutely worth playing if you're a fan of the series).

My three favorite SFC translations aren't RPGs though.
Clock Tower (point and click survival horror)
Wonder Project J (point and click, life sim adventure game)
Famicom Detective Club Part 2 (murder mystery visual novel)

There's a bunch I still haven't played though.

lendelin
02-07-2016, 10:54 PM
Just warning you, Romancing Saga 3 doesn't have a finished translation and your character name displays with weird spacing issues (drives me nuts). It's mostly done, but I'd hold on a reproduction honestly. Tales of Phantasia's a good game, the SNES translation has a lot of swearing which a lot of people complain about. I didn't mind it, but it does sound out of place. The upgraded PSX version has two complete translations available, if I were to play the game again today it would be one of those and not the SNES version. Just for the updated graphics and additional party character. Also I'd probably just stick to the PSP version of Star Ocean, but there's nothing wrong with the SNES original. Seiken Densetsu 3 is a must play though! As is (obviously) Rudra.

I also really liked:

Dragon Quest III (the SFC remake is gorgeous)
Dragon Quest V (yeah it's on DS but this is one of my favorite games)
Dark Half (haven't spent too much time on this one but the concept of playing a vampire who has to eat NPCs to survive is a great hook)
FEDA (It's like a darker more serious Shining Force)
Glory of Heracles 3 (a really solid Dragon Quest clone in ancient Greece)
Live A Live (Plays a lot like Saga Frontier, choose different chapters set in different time periods and genre settings with their own parties and gameplay styles)
Madou Monogatari (You play a 6 year old little girl who happens to be the mascot from the puyo puyo games. She's a kindergartener in magic school and has to pass her final exam. It's a pretty simple game, but adorable and funny)
Emerald Dragon (pretty basic RPG but I really liked the characters)
Sailor Moon Another Story (Very pink. Terrible difficulty balance. But - dammit I really liked it. The story was all over the place and advanced quickly. Each sailor scout has her own mission, so you get a ton of backstory and character development)
Radical Dreamers (Not an RPG. But a visual novel that ties in with Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. Very well written and absolutely worth playing if you're a fan of the series).

My three favorite SFC translations aren't RPGs though.
Clock Tower (point and click survival horror)
Wonder Project J (point and click, life sim adventure game)
Famicom Detective Club Part 2 (murder mystery visual novel)

There's a bunch I still haven't played though.

Thanks so much! This helps a lot. I'll wait then with Romancing Saga 3, I would have regret it buying it already. Yeah, Secret of Mana 2 and Rudras are a given, I'll look into the other suggestions. Is the Tales of Phantasia PS version the regular commercial Japanese one which offers also an English translation?

The Dragon Quests III and V look very tempting. :) Very, very tempting. :)

Daria
02-07-2016, 11:14 PM
Is the Tales of Phantasia PS version the regular commercial Japanese one which offers also an English translation?

Not sure what you mean, but I think you need an image of the regular Japanese release, not the "best of" or whatever they call their GH games. Absolute Zero has probably the better translation, but Cless Productions patch includes a lot of game tweaks. I don't know which is the better option. It's a matter of personal preference.

Daria
02-18-2016, 11:57 AM
Wanted to do something fun for Valentine's Day but missed the deadline. :P


https://youtu.be/RGYc5DYOCwo

Guntz
02-19-2016, 12:40 AM
I didn't realize before how much cheesy singing there is in Rhapsody, wow.

Daria
02-19-2016, 08:08 AM
I didn't realize before how much cheesy singing there is in Rhapsody, wow.


The scary part is I really highlighted the "good" songs. But overall the soundtrack falls under the "so bad it's GRRREAT!" theory.

celerystalker
02-19-2016, 08:28 AM
The scary part is I really highlighted the "good" songs. But overall the soundtrack falls under the "so bad it's GRRREAT!" theory.

When that game launched, I was assistant manager at a FuncoLand. I used to put the soundtrack CD in a PlayStation behind the counter, and a coworker named Eric and I would loudly sing the "Mountain Men" song every time it came up, regardless of what was happening in the store. Second best sing-a-long we ever had in that place. We also occasionally did a duet on the opening song, where I sang all of Cornette's parts while he sang the other girl's parts. Good times.

Daria
02-19-2016, 08:39 AM
When that game launched, I was assistant manager at a FuncoLand. I used to put the soundtrack CD in a PlayStation behind the counter, and a coworker named Eric and I would loudly sing the "Mountain Men" song every time it came up, regardless of what was happening in the store. Second best sing-a-long we ever had in that place. We also occasionally did a duet on the opening song, where I sang all of Cornette's parts while he sang the other girl's parts. Good times.

Holy crap that's hilarious! I'm going to forever picture that when I hear the song now. XD

Guntz
02-20-2016, 06:17 PM
I hope you got promoted to manager for that.

lendelin
02-21-2016, 01:54 PM
Great topic! :) I enjoyed the video as always. But one thing I won't forgive you, Daria - after viewing your video I actually listened to the Rhapsody soundtrack CD. It was wonderfully awful. :) I think the songs must be heard while playing the game, after 10 minutes playing the songs in the background I had to turn them off. :)

I have this game now for over ten years on my shelves and never even looked at it. Thanks for reviewing it, I'll give the game a try just for the heck of it. :) The other two games sound very interesting as well. Again: great topic!

Daria
03-16-2016, 11:11 AM
New video! I've reviewed three really unpoplular Genesis RPGs to see if there's anything worth playing here.



https://youtu.be/08vcPZ_5pS8

celerystalker
03-16-2016, 02:37 PM
I like Sorcerer's Kingdom quite a bit. It definitely is quirky, but its length is just about right to get you through it without getting old. Fun game.

lendelin
03-27-2016, 09:50 PM
Great 'Unepic Adventures' - review! I haven't played any of the games, but Sorcerer's Kingdom might be worthwhile. A long time ago I wanted to buy Traysia but thanks goodness I didn't because I read that it was a pretty bad game. I bought instead another game and spend twice the money -- it was Crusader of Centy. I don't regret this decision. :)

To me it is still amazing how some games of the 8-bit- and 16-bit-eras failed to grab the players attention in the first hour of gameplay or just made it so terribly frustrating that you didn't give the game a second chance. Like with Sorcerer's Kingdom. I think game developers are nowadays much better to introduce the player slowly with rewards into gameplay. Something Nintendo and Miyamoto always mastered and implemented to perfection.

But then it might also be a generational aspect of patience and expectations - while you had to evoke the players interest back then in the first hour of gameplay, today you have to do it in the first five minutes. :)

Daria
04-06-2016, 06:59 PM
Yeah even if you discount the monetary value, I'd take Crusader over Sorcerer any day.

I'm not sure that Sorcerer is a product of its time as much as it's just unbalanced. It's a shame even Treco didn't have the foresight to tweak the beginning enemies to make the first quest playable before publishing the game.

Daria
04-12-2016, 08:53 AM
Now for something a little different:


https://youtu.be/spwVRZ63pQk

celerystalker
04-12-2016, 10:37 AM
Lots of good games there, and I always like an opportunity to say how much I love Xanadu.

I spent a good amount of time with the Famicom version of The Black Onyx, Super Black Onyx. It's really well done, and its first person crawl is surprisingly smooth. The battle system completely kicks ass, and it's neat how you can encounter random adventurers also raiding the tower and either fight them or get them to join your party if you have any openings.

Daria
04-12-2016, 10:43 AM
Lots of good games there, and I always like an opportunity to say how much I love Xanadu.

I spent a good amount of time with the Famicom version of The Black Onyx, Super Black Onyx. It's really well done, and its first person crawl is surprisingly smooth. The battle system completely kicks ass, and it's neat how you can encounter random adventurers also raiding the tower and either fight them or get them to join your party if you have any openings.

I wanted to ask you since I saw you've obviously played it extensively. Is it completely in English? It looked like it was from the videos I was browsing and I'm thinking of picking it up.

celerystalker
04-12-2016, 10:54 AM
All of the important stuff is in english. The shops, the menus, item descriptions... all english. Being a dungeon crawl, that's about all there is to it text-wise. Definitely a game that needs a map, though, whether from online or if you feel like going old-school and getting out the graph paper. I also posted a write up explaining the combat in this thread:

https://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?172286-Opinions-on-poorly-documented-imports&p=2021137&viewfull=1#post2021137

Niku-Sama
04-13-2016, 05:50 AM
oh thank god something to watch.

been super insomniac lately and nothings been keeping my attention and I cant repair any thing since my workbench is being "remodeled" and repairs inside might wake the wifey person
edit:
good video
only thing I would say that I didn't like about it was some spots in the video the SE was overpowering your voice track and made it a bit hard to hear ya

lendelin
04-13-2016, 12:43 PM
Thanks, Daria, for another entertaining and informative video! Great topic, wonderful overview of very important RPGs. I also liked to see actually 'Rogue' in action. I knew about the game and its importance but never saw gameplay footage. You must have invested a lot of time researching the topic and editing the video. Most impressive: The influence of specific games on more well known later releases which gives an important overview of the development of gameplay elements.

To look at the roots of RPGs also helps to understand the probs we have today to define a RPG. The lines between the genres back then was more clearcut although some elements of other genres slowly were incorporated.

The Q about the definition of an RPG emerged in my little head again since I played a couple of weeks ago (for the firstt time) finally Lunar SSSC and Alundra. The gameplay mechanics of Alundra and Zelda are the same. Why is one regarded a RPG and the other not? I believe a good answer to this Q will be the key to define a RPG today which is the era of the hybrid games.

Daria
06-04-2016, 03:22 AM
I've been pretty bad at updating this thread - didn't have a real internet connection for a couple weeks. So here's a two-fer to catch up.


Princess Tomato in the Salad Kingdom is a text adventure

https://youtu.be/fIFQZFEcNmk

Dark Half is a horror themed SRPG for the SNES where you control both the hero and the villain

https://youtu.be/1-6jmhSdUOw

bb_hood
06-04-2016, 07:24 AM
Princess Tomato is such an awesome game. So much fun. Percy is sooo useless! Hes always losing my stuff. Like he's got one job...

Daria
06-11-2016, 09:56 PM
Princess Tomato is such an awesome game. So much fun. Percy is sooo useless! Hes always losing my stuff. Like he's got one job...

Heh. I thought making Percy a bumbling sidekick was a cute way to clean out the player inventory between each stage.


Also new video.

Goonies never say die! But they do press start

https://youtu.be/BjHP8pQ4K50

celerystalker
06-11-2016, 10:43 PM
I like Goonies II a lot. It's like the middle ground between Metroid and Dr Chaos, and I love both of those. I have to admit, though... I did use the old Nintendo Player's Guide with the black cover the first time I beat this one back in the day for its invaluable maps.

I've enjoyed Dark Half for years, too. Weird game, but undeniably interesting. I need to try it in english now, as it took a lot of trial and error in japanese, what with losing energy every step.

Out of curiosity, ever try the Oni RPG series? I got super into the SNES ones, Kishin Korinden Oni and Bakumatsu Korinden Oni. If you ever try those or Blade of the Darkness on PS1, I'd love to see your thoughts on them.

Daria
06-11-2016, 11:33 PM
I like Goonies II a lot. It's like the middle ground between Metroid and Dr Chaos, and I love both of those. I have to admit, though... I did use the old Nintendo Player's Guide with the black cover the first time I beat this one back in the day for its invaluable maps.

I've enjoyed Dark Half for years, too. Weird game, but undeniably interesting. I need to try it in english now, as it took a lot of trial and error in japanese, what with losing energy every step.

Out of curiosity, ever try the Oni RPG series? I got super into the SNES ones, Kishin Korinden Oni and Bakumatsu Korinden Oni. If you ever try those or Blade of the Darkness on PS1, I'd love to see your thoughts on them.


I have not, but I'll look into them. I also really want to play Dr. Chaos - I hear it's based on an Hp Lovecraft story.

I know I'm weird, but I've actually never played Metroid. I should probably remedy that too. Damn too many games to play. XD

Niku-Sama
12-07-2016, 07:14 AM
I hope in your absence that you've been playing that backlog

Daria
05-07-2017, 10:20 AM
I hope in your absence that you've been playing that backlog

I didn't play Metroid but I've been working on other games. ;)


https://youtu.be/g_iE14L6PDw

Niku-Sama
05-08-2017, 03:40 AM
YAY!!