PS4 dominating even with no games ? [Archive]

WCP

12-07-2015, 12:23 PM

I think it's kinda amazing how the PS4 is absolutely dominating the market, yet it's doing so with smoke and mirror's and nobody seems to care.

ok, so the "no games" comment is subjective of course, but let me explain my point:

To best explain it, let us go back to the year of our lord 2013. We all know what happened with the PR nightmare that Xbox found themselves in. We know how Sony played that situation perfectly. I will fully admit that I was telling every person that would listen, not to buy a Xbox One, and instead buy a PS4. It was mostly about the DRM stuff, but it was also about the fact that the PS4 was the more powerful hardware, the more elegantly designed hardware, and I wanted their system to catch on and be the dominant system.

So, I told everybody I could, they should get a PS4 and stay far away from the Xbox One.

Well, a little over two years later, and I don't even currently own a PS4 at this time. I have two Xbox 1 systems, but zero PS4's. How could I possibly go from championing the PS4 with reckless abandon, to not even owning a PS4 in my own home ? Well, the simple answer to the question, is "GAMES". It's the games man.... I know I'll probably catch some grief from this, but Sony has no games. When I say no games, I'm basically talking about huge first party exclusives that are normally bread and butter to a consoles success. Let me list all of the "big", retail, PS4 first party exclusives (not a remaster) that have appeared on the PS4 since launch.

1. Bloodborne - March 2015 - Dark Souls type game that might be good but I have zero interest in the Dark Souls games. Sure, not Sony's problem, but I'm sure there are others like me with zero interest in a Dark Souls type game. I'm not trying to talk smack about Dark Souls games, they just don't have huge widespread appeal to the masses.

2. The Order 1886 - February 2015 - Well, we all know that this game is supposedly very beautiful, but nothing more than a hollow shell of a game. I heard reviewers crap all over it, and never bothered to check it out. Pretty graphics only take you so far.

3. DriveClub - October 2014 - It's unbelievable to me that Sony's only big game for Fall of 2014 was a racing game. This game was plagued with tons of issues for the first several months of it's existence, so it was extremely easy to avoid.

4. InFamous: Second Son - March 2014 - This game was actually kinda close to the kinds of stuff I was expecting with PS4, too bad the game just didn't grab me and keep my attention like I thought it would. I got bored of it pretty quickly.

5. Killzone: Shadowfall - November 2013 - I tried to like this game, but for some reason the Killzone franchise just never does much of anything for me. The graphics were purdy (at least for Fall 2013 they were)

6. Knack - November 2013 - This is a decent game from a bygone era. It's an "ok" kids game. Nothing special, and somewhat uninspired, but not horrible either.

So those 6 games listed above, is basically what Sony has delivered to us in the first 2 years of the PS4 existence. Remember, I'm talking about "major" first party releases at retail. Big time games designed to be a showpiece for the platform. It's almost as if Sony couldn't have had a worse output of first party exclusives even if they went out of their way to try to create the crappiest lineup of first party exclusives in history.

Now, I already know what the SDF (Sony Defense Force) will say in response to this.... They will talk about all the Indie games, and the smaller games, and the downloadable games and the blah blah blah. They will talk about Uncharted 4 and the Last Guardian and Shenmue and Final Fantasy and all that crap. My answer to that, is wake me up when the PS4 actually has a decent game. Also, I'm not saying the Xbox is killing it, by any stretch of the imagination, but I think Microsoft's first party lineup, up to this point, shits all over the PS4 first party lineup, 7 ways till Sunday. But you really have to give Sony all the credit in the world. Their console has never sold better ( I think ? ), and they are doing it without any games. Just imagine how well it's going to sell when they actually get some games!

FieryReign

12-07-2015, 03:30 PM

Both of those consoles are junk. Broken fresh out the box. Internet requirements. Nothing even remotely interesting worth playing. Not even counting N's underpowered and expensive tablet.

Tupin

12-07-2015, 04:36 PM

People don't call it "Indiestation 4" for no reason. Sony uses them to bulk up their titles.

Tanooki

12-07-2015, 05:49 PM

I love how you whip out the Sony Defense Force trying to ruin any valid argument they'd make against your non-valid no-games tangent. What's the point if you're just going to ignore what's out there? I'm surprised you didn't throw out the remasters of FFX-X2 and God of War 3, or Uncharted Trilogy for that matter. Your problem is you want to dump on what does exist, and what exists in the indie pot like it has no value. Then you carry it into crapping on the future knowns that are coming the X1 will never see and somehow they have nothing to wake you up over that's a real game. The problem isn't Sony, the problem is you. I see no point wasting time on game lists for the system, you I think know what's there if you made this post and the points you made so it's pointless.

I'd really have to wonder what you think the X1 only has that's so amazing, and please don't throw out any game that saw some nicer conversions to PC like Titanfall as that removes it's unique release card. Planning to pull up their rehash and sequels from the last generation like Forza? Halo collection (hmm), the upcoming Gears 4? Maybe's is Rare Replay? I'm going off the US released and upcoming titles unique to X1 on the list on wikipedia and I'm really having a problem finding anything there that's so ground breakingly awesome to shame the PS4 into having no excuse for being the dominating system. Sunset Overdrive perhaps? (Mind you I'm not looking at Timed releases, they're not true uniques.)

kupomogli

12-07-2015, 07:03 PM

Xbox One has Halo 5, two XB1 exclusive Forza's, Ryse, Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, and Dead Rising 3. There's not really anything else that's came out at retail on that console either.

Thing is, most people don't get more than one console and it's not first party that sells, it's third party, otherwise the Wii U would sell boat loads, so Sony so far having a "debatable" worse first party line up really means nothing. The console has all the same third party games as the Xbox One and they almost always run at a better performance or at a better resolution with the same performance.

Also, not being a fanboy, but being realistic. There's also other exclusives and multiconsole first party games/ports that have released on the PS4, many that most people who own the PS4 haven't played. There are more on the PS4 than there are on the Xbox One. You didn't list Until Dawn which is exclusive to the PS4. Multiconsole titles include Little Big Planet 3 and the MLB the Show games. Ports of Uncharted Naughty Dog Collection, Tearaway, God of War 3, and Beyond Two Souls.

Your post was also stating that the Sony defense force would mention indies, etc, but they're all games that the Xbox One doesn't have. Many retail multiconsole games or exclusives that many PS4 games have along with the Wii U, PS3, Vita, or PC, that the Xbox One doesn't have. It's nothing about bias between one group of fans, it's clear whether you're a fan of one console or not that the other one is being supported more. It's not that hard to expect being that the Japanese don't give two sh*ts about the Xbox brand and just about everything that comes from Japan nowdays is atleast the PS4. Tales of Zesitiria, Nobunaga's Ambition Sphere of Influence, Dragon Quest Heroes, etc, are exclusives for the PS4(in the US,) Earth Defense Force 4.1 isn't out yet, but it's a full remake of 2025 and is exclusive for the PS4, then multiconsole games like J Stars Victory Vs+ and others aren't on the Xbox One.

Additionally, a lot of people know what happened last gen, and it seems a lot of people forgot about it. Not just on the PS3, but every console they've released, Sony screws around and the first couple of years there's practically nothing for the console. It's not until a few years in that they start pushing lots of first party software and continue pushing first part software after the next console has been released. With the original Xbox, Microsoft gets a free pass because the graphics chips they were using were no longer able to be produced. The last few years of the 360s life, there was literally nothing but a Forza, Gears, or Halo, and nothing else. People who owned a PS3 and I'm sure those who didn't own a PS3 took notice of how much new software Sony was pushing over how much Microsoft was pushing.

Everything plays a part in how the sales on the PS4 are better. Games have better performance, more games, lack of support during the end of the previous gen from Microsoft, the amount of continued support at the end of all generations from Sony. The PS4 deserves better sales. --

-- "The PS4 deserves better sales." With that being said. I've been a PS4 owner for a year and with most of the games are remastered games, I've been disappointed with the system. Knowing what's coming out next year though, finally the system is about to take off. First party exclusives like Uncharted 4, Horizon, The Last Guardian, etc all coming out next year. Third party exclusives like Ni-Oh, Star Ocean 5, Dissidia, etc. Even though I've been disappointed with the console, I still own 20+ games, most of my disappointment stems from most of these games also being playable on the PS3 or just being ports with better framerate and resolution(granted I didn't buy many of these games on the PS3 because I was waiting for price drops, but still, it's the fact that they're on the console which lessens the quality of them as PS4 releases.)

I also own the Wii U and I own every game I'm even remotely interested in. It's the most disappointing console purchase I've ever made. The Vita has been far less disappointing than the Wii U will ever be.

WCP

12-07-2015, 08:05 PM

I didn't say that Xbox 1 was killing it either. At least they are trying though.

Well, let's take a look at the Xbox 1 big exclusives from most recent to launch:

1. Rise of the Tomb Raider - Sure, it's a paid exclusive, but whether it's paid for or not, it's a legit exclusive. Game has gotten really good reviews, but I personally haven't tried it.

2. Halo 5 - This game came and left with a whimper. Seems like most reviews gave it a 9, but had various complaints. My kids got this game, played it for a few days and haven't touched it since. Not a huge game for the XB1, but again, at least they are legitimately giving it the college try.

3. Forza 6 - I've tried the demo of this game and it's really good, but I must admit the standard Forza's seem depressing compared to Horizon. Still, would have to consider this a pretty solid release. DriveClub had major issues, haven't heard anything about this having issues.

4. Forza Horizon 2 - Ok, this is the star of the Xbox One lineup. This game is pure fun on a stick. Anybody that has this machine owes it to himself to try this game for 10 hours, and I'm guessing you'll end up putting another 10 hours into it easily.

5. Sunset Overdrive - My kids got this game and they both loved it, but I never really got into it. Still, quite original type game.

6. Forza 5 - This was actually a very good game during the launch but it was plagued with a ton of DLC shenanigans. Not enough tracks and cars available without paying extra

7. Ryse - This game was a crappy launch game no doubt. This one and Killzone Shadowfall cancel each other out

8. Dead Rising 3 - Another crappy launch game. Both PS4 and XB1 had crappy launches.

Yeah, now that I look at it, they are both pretty awful. Still, I guess I prefer MS's version of awful over Sony's... right now anyways.

I'd take Forza Horizon 2 over any exclusive the PS4 has, and I'd probably take Rise of the Tomb Raider over any exclusive the PS4 has as well. The only exclusive on PS4 that I could really even try to compare would be DriveClub and InFamous, but I just don't think either one is very good. DriveClub might be good now, after a ton of patches.

Call me a fanboy all you want, but check my posts from late summer 2013. I was No.1 Sony PS4 fanboy back then. TRUST ME. check my posts.... seriously.

I'm just keeping it real.

It's not like the PS4 is going to suck forever, and again, it's not like the XB1 is doing that much better. I'm mainly bringing this up because the PS4 is breaking all these sales records and stuff. Horizon Zero Dawn looks like it could be a system seller for the PS4 if that game is good. That game could single-handedly get me to buy a PS4 if it turns out to be good. Playstation VR is very interesting to me, because it's a slightly cheaper way to get involved with VR. If Uncharted 4 is as good as the 1st or 2nd game, then I think I might buy a PS4 again in March, if there is a good bundle deal or something.

The 1 2 P

12-07-2015, 08:06 PM

I think it's kinda amazing how the PS4 is absolutely dominating the market, yet it's doing so with smoke and mirror's and nobody seems to care.

I brought up this very point on another forum I go to. And really, it's not just about Sony dominating the marketplace. When you have two or more competing products then obviously one is going to sell more than the others. But the weird thing about the PS4 is how well it's been selling based on what's available for it so far and what's been available from the beginning. The PS4 started selling in record numbers straight out of the gate and to a casual observer, based on sales figures alone(outselling both the XBO and Wii U by at least 2 to 1) one might think that the PS4 has the greatest line up of games in history, which imo couldn't be any further from the truth. But of course....

ok, so the "no games" comment is subjective of course,

Very true. You brought up some of PS4's exclusives, as did Kupo. And there's also third party exclusives(not just indies) that have come to the PS4, a lot of them by SquareEnix, that have passed over the XB1 and more obviously the Wii U. So there's games there but I echo your sentiments that there's nothing that I would personally call a system seller there. But that's based on my taste and it's one of the reason's I have yet to grab a PS4.

For clarification, I'm not surprised that the PS4 is outselling the other systems. Again, there has to be a market leader. I'm just confused by how well it's selling based on what it has, both in games and other media features. It's currently on pace to outsell both the PS1 and PS2 and both of those were awesome systems. I don't feel the PS4 has lived up to the hype surrounding it and it's sales numbers. But the same could be said about the Wii last gen. It sold more than any oyther system but it's vast amounts of shovelware are almost legendary at this point. I don't think the PS4 has anything close to that amount of shovelware but I also don't think it's games are what's currently making it sell so well. For all intents and purposes the PS4 should have an incredible year of software releases next year(provided nothing gets pushed back) but currently I think that the line up is mediocre at best.

Now, I already know what the SDF (Sony Defense Force) will say in response to this.... They will talk about all the Indie games, and the smaller games, and the downloadable games and the blah blah blah. They will talk about Uncharted 4 and the Last Guardian and Shenmue and Final Fantasy and all that crap. My answer to that, is wake me up when the PS4 actually has a decent game.

You and I may not find their current games appealing but you have to at least know that there are people out there that really do care about it. Like I already said, I don't think that Sony's exclusives are what's pushing it's sales numbers so high. I'm not exactly sure what it is but I know it still has at least a little to do with Microsoft's botched XBO reveal and the direction they were initially going in. Beyond that, the PS4's record sales are a mystery.

But you really have to give Sony all the credit in the world. Their console has never sold better ( I think ? ), and they are doing it without any games. Just imagine how well it's going to sell when they actually get some games!

I look at it like this. Sony is currently coasting because they don't have to do much since they are not only in the lead position but they have achieved it by a comfortable margin. But the problem with that is they may start to get lazy and start innovating less or launch less features on the PS4 than they would have if they had a bigger fight on their hands. Well I suppose that's not really a problem unless you are a PS4 owner. But for Sony there's really no reason to change up what they are currently doing because it's working extremely well.

Tanooki

12-07-2015, 08:37 PM

Kupo: Well said and I feel the complete same about the PS4 too. I only got it because I found a way to snake one for $200 NEW or I'd have waited. What I do own they're ports and remakes other than the unique Godzilla game. I will get that Uncharted setup, all of it, likely after Christmas with the trilogy. You pegged it with the problems of the 360 and yeah some fans have really thin memories when it comes to that or the hellish hardware problem rates too which I find incredible as there has to be some level of trust. You own more than I do as I have 10 games. I won't get into WiiU, that's played out, but again -- agreed, except I don't have it anymore and if PS4 had its prospects I wouldn't either, probably why I don't have a Vita still though compared to WiiU I wish I did. ** Also, Titanfall has a superior PC version you can buy and still use an xbox 360 controller with it (or keys+mouse) so it's not an exclusive.

WCP: Now now, be accurate -- Rise of the Tomb Raider has just a 1 year annoying exclusive, then it goes to PS4. I would not be surprised if it has all the DLC and other junk on disc as a game of the year like edition also with the bugs and balancing figured out. So no, it's not an X1 exclusive. I don't think you're exactly a fanboy, but I think you're just ignoring the reality of the present and the future which dictates why the PS4 is where it is and X1 isn't.

The thing is there has to be a leader, there always is, even if you slug it out for awhile eventually the gap widens, just this time it didn't take awhile like it did say back in the 90s with the SNES v Genesis. I think a factor into the PS4 being up there was MS burning all those bridges playing rotten DRM, no resale of discs, and other garbage in the lead up they got shamed out of. That infuriated a lot of people into instantly blowing them off. Any little bit of stupidity helps and they were shoveling it up in spades for awhile.

Leo_A

12-07-2015, 08:40 PM

For no games, I have quite a want list already and don't even have some major upcoming releases like Uncharted 4 and Ratchet & Clank on it yet.

For PSN, I count 15 titles although two or three of those won't be out until next year like Horizon Chase. And for retail, I count 28 titles including 3 or 4 still in the pipeline like the just confirmed Dirt Rally from Codemasters. And then there's season 3 onward for Pinball Arcade that I'm hoping will see retail like the first two seasons have.

Granted that a fair number of these are available in fine form on last-gen consoles, but I'm sure that I'll still love something like The Last of Us just the same despite its PS3 roots. The only upgrade I'll be paying for is the Uncharted Trilogy, thanks to have a suspicion that games like TLOU and GTA V would be migrating over and wisely holding off on major titles over the last 12-18 months or so of the PS3 and 360 prior to their successors appearing.

I have little doubt that I made the right choice to go with the Wii U first though, thanks to having so much left to experience on the PS3 and 360 and the large library of Wii U exclusives that aren't available anywhere else.

kai123

12-08-2015, 09:17 AM

You guys do remember that the ps4 was $100 cheaper at launch than the xboxone right? Nobody wanted the
Kinect and the PS4 is more powerful thanks to its GDDR5 ram. Throw in the fact that MS had to back pedal from all the crap from E3 and the price difference MS gave it to Sony on a silver platter.

Tanooki

12-08-2015, 10:44 AM

I do, and I still wonder with any of it what they were thinking. It's almost like they figured they had so many chumps that were so willingly on the hook with the revolving door of repairs the 360 was they'd just get away with things since they were the online multiplayer leader last generation. They probably honestly though no one would care enough to complain about the DRM, the no used second hand games, and figured they couldn't sell kinect well on its own so they'd force it and people would just relent to stay with their manufacturer of choice. Compound all the stuff in run up then the retail shenanigans out of the gate there's little surprise. Had they never attempted to screw people on the software and force paying for kinect they'd probably be in a nearly dead heat for first right now with one pulling away in the back ends of their lives due to exclusives and superior ports.

lendelin

12-08-2015, 01:08 PM

The discussion is exaggerated from the getgo. Why? Because first party games cannot make or break a system. Even a first-rate developer like Nintendo couldn't save the N64, and the lineup of not only first party games but of games in general for the PS2 for one year after launch was much worse than for the PS4. In the end the PS2 dominated the market with a share of 80% AND had top-notch games for every genre.

People fall for images and believe what they want to believe. This is the case from the beginning of the game industry, and it is the case now. We all know the images labeled to the two systems today which explains the sales numbers for a good part. The GameCube was a kiddie system (ridiculous), the PS2 was so powerful Sadam Hussein ordered 500 of it (slick) and behind the XBox is a big evil company who wants to dominate the game market and in the end the entire world (very true, of course).

The reason for the dominance of the Wii wasn't the great Nintendo games, it was because consumers (hardcore and casual alike) fell for a gimmicky control mechanism which promised completely new gameplay and even weight loss. In the end everyone was glad if games had at least the option of standard controls; and women hopping around on the Wii-Fit-board wondered why they didn't loose weight while a big ice cream bucket smiled at them on the kitchen counter. However, we had to live with the Move and Kinect because success is always copied.

Price, image, past experiences of players, the design of new consoles and only at last promising games (first party, exclusives, third party) are key factors who wins the race until Christmas season one year after launch.

I'll be happy with the two big systems (and the WiiU), they distinguish themselves not much from each other, and one to two years after launch more and more great games will be released, and when I'll get them within the next three months the list of great games will be even a bit longer than it is already. I couldn't care less about first-party exclusive titles. Project cars, The Witcher, Disgaea 5, Knack, Mario Kart 8, Shovel Knight, Mario Maker, the list of games worthwhile playing is already long, the variety is good, and I'm looking forward to the Forzas, to Gran Turismo and Final Fantasies, to first party games, exclusive games, and multi-platform games.

No, I'm not worried about a poor or great line-up of first party games. I'm worried about the development of game consoles in the last 15 years which become more and more like PCs.

Flojomojo

12-10-2015, 05:00 PM

People don't call it "Indiestation 4" for no reason. Sony uses them to bulk up their titles.

Those are the main things I care about, personally. I only have a couple of the "big game" type of things that give the OP such a thrill. The only reason I bought an Xbone was for Rare Replay and the XBL freebies.

WCP

12-11-2015, 04:41 PM

I only have a couple of the "big game" type of things that give the OP such a thrill.

In defense of my love for all the "big games"....

I play enough smaller games all the time, when I'm playing all the old games I play from the early and mid 90's. So for me, when it's time to fire up the next-gen console, I'm looking for that big time experience. I suppose if I never played retrogames, I'd be more interested in the smaller games, and the indie games, for that change of pace. But for me... I get that change of pace when I play retro games. They are like small games to me, so I get that change of pace with them, so for the modern stuff, I'm looking for the big tentpole releases that are pushing the envelope.

Fallout 4 is my game of choice right now when I turn on my modern console.

Bojay1997

12-11-2015, 05:11 PM

In defense of my love for all the "big games"....

I play enough smaller games all the time, when I'm playing all the old games I play from the early and mid 90's. So for me, when it's time to fire up the next-gen console, I'm looking for that big time experience. I suppose if I never played retrogames, I'd be more interested in the smaller games, and the indie games, for that change of pace. But for me... I get that change of pace when I play retro games. They are like small games to me, so I get that change of pace with them, so for the modern stuff, I'm looking for the big tentpole releases that are pushing the envelope.

Fallout 4 is my game of choice right now when I turn on my modern console.

I own all three of the current gen consoles and I frankly prefer the PS4 interface and I appreciate the fact that for most third party releases, the PS4 version almost always has performance advantages over the Xbox One versions of the same game. Moreover, the number of PSN exclusive games has eclipsed what is being released exclusively on the Xbox One. In fact, I don't think I have bought much on the Xbox Store since Crimson Dragon, D4 and Ori. Personally, I think there is room for all three consoles this generation, but if I had to pick only one right now, I would probably choose the PS4 simply because of the performance edge on most third party titles and the better selection of digital games that fall within the niches I prefer.

WCP

12-11-2015, 09:32 PM

PS4 multiplats were better in the first couple of years, but lately, a lot of the games seem identical with very minor differences. Like if you were to play Madden 16 on both PS4 and XB1, the games are basically identical. Same thing with NBA 2K16. Too many developers seem to choose parity. They could probably push the PS4 version more, but chose not to. (or maybe they are ordered not to ?)

Early on in the generation, of course you had the whole "Resolution Gate" and all that. Many PS4 games were running in legit 1080p, with the XB1 versions running in 900p. Stuff like that.

Recently however, at least if the stuff I've played on both, the differences are super nit picky. Like if you did a double blind with each game side by side, 8 out of 10 people wouldn't notice a difference. Of course, that's where Sony's first parties come to play. It's the job of the first parties to truly push the PS4 to it's limits, to show off that technical advantage. Or at least that was the job of the first parties if you had a wide open race for console dominance. Unfortunately, Sony has already dominated with very little effort, so it could be easy for them to get lazy and start doing "just enough" to get by. They already have a crazy number of their PS4 consoles installed worldwide.

My hope is that they had enough big ambitious games already in production, and despite the fact they are selling consoles left and right, they will choose to just see these products all the way through. Uncharted and Horizon are two games that could show off the true power of the PS4 and really set it apart from the Xbox One. It will be interesting to see if that happens. Also, Xbox has that Crackdown game that is supposedly using cloud computing or some crazy crap. I'm in the "believe it when I see it camp". Supposedly people have seen Crackdown behind the scenes and say that some kind of magic is taking place, but I'll wait till I can actually play the game myself.

kai123

12-11-2015, 11:50 PM

The performance is normally the same but at a higher resolution on the ps4. It has more true 1080p games than the XBONE. I really wish they would just drop ps4 to the same 900p and maybe see a fps boost but that is maybe asking too much.

Gamevet

12-12-2015, 12:52 AM

Tanooki

12-12-2015, 11:49 AM

That's a fair statement for both N64 and the GC. The N64 though in all fairness needs to be endlessly restated they went with a stupid cartridge which was a huge factor in driving off game makers. I'm sure a few may have waffled anyway or at least cross ported stuff if it used a CD along with the PS1, but they'd have had a better share of things most definitely. The damage was so grievous to them it setup the fall of the Gamecube on that alone almost entirely, though it's fair to say their halfassed 1.5GB mini-discs were of no help since developers were porting games to it in the first half of its life, but when those sequels got larger, many opted not to pay Nintendo double the disc burning fee. Sure some acted like little kids anyway like those tools at Rockstar or the endless slandering mindless gibberish from Epic's leadership but most of it played back to the colossal cart based screwup of the N64 that drove most away and then with developers leery and not using a real DVD on the GC just kind of padded the damage too eventually. ...and then totally off the rails with Wii but let's not go there as we know where they're at now and it's a shame.

As far as PS4 goes, yeah that's true the 900p(x1) vs them at 1080p played a part, but I think in the end third parties are lazy and cost savers since they make in some cases really dumb budgets on cloud 9 (like SquareEnix moaning over the 4M sold Tomb Raider failure?!) so it would make more sense cost wise to make a game for x1 then convert it properly without fault to the PS4 after/along side which would cause no difference in appearance on ported titles. When we start seeing the quality stuff they've been cooking up for a year or two plus now only on the system you'll see the difference people were crowing about in hardware capabilities.

Satoshi_Matrix

12-12-2015, 03:30 PM

I enjoy my PS4, but like the WiiU, I agree it doesn't have enough games to stand on its own as someone's only console. That's because in my viewpoint, the PS4 launched before there was significant consumer demand for it. The PS3 is slowed down now, but up until recently the PS3 was still a completely viable system with dozens and dozens of excellent games from its back catalog that a lot of people missed in addition to the new stuff.

Now that the PS3 is put to rest by all but the niche developers, focus has shifted to PS4 and the "no games" thing will change in the future. The WiiU will never recover in the same way.

That being said, I do think the PS4 has several games already for it that make it a must-own system. Most of these are not exclusive, but I found them to be meaty experiences that I'm very happy I bought the system for.

Dead or Alive 5 Last Round - Despite the stereotypes, DOA isn't solely about T&A. Ever since DOA2U, the series has offered really great fighting games that are a blast to play couch multiplayer with a friend. Simple controls and surprisingly deep systems for those with the patience to learn. This is the third and final version of DOA5, and is by far one of the best fighting games I've ever played. DLC is way overboard with something like $500 worth of DLC costumes in total at present, with more on the way.

Earth Defense Force 4.1 - Just released, EDF4.1 is an enhanced port of EDF2025 that came out last year for PS3. Now runs at 1080p, offers a solid 60fps framerate, new lighting and shadowing effects as well as changes to AI and new mechs added. The EDF games are stupid fun third person shooters about blowing up bugs and robots. This game is pure fun.

Fallout 4 - If there's any game to buy a system for, it's Fallout 4. This is the biggest Bethesda open world, go-anywhere do anything type game. There's literally hundreds and hundreds of hours of content here. Plus eventual upcoming DLC, and mod support. It's truly nuts what's on offer.

Last of Us Remastered - A lot of us played through and absolutely loved TLOU on PS3, but if you somehow missed it, this is another must-have game. Last of Us is quite frankly one of the best games ever made, some people say it is even the best game of the entire seventh gen. This version runs better and looks even better. It's crazy.

Both Wolfenstien games - These are FPS games that merge new mechanics with classic FPS gameplay. Amazingand eerier what if story and the PS4 version looks amazing. I bought this previously for PS3 and while it was.....okay, it didn't blow me away like the PS4 build. There's also an excellent prequel game called The Old Blood. Both are excellent.

And keep in mind, this only covers retail games. There are more too, but these are the ones that I've played for more than an hour into. I could also talk about other games I own for PS4 but I simply haven't put in enough time to have any real opinion of.

Tupin

12-12-2015, 05:42 PM

All of this being said, the PC is going through a renaissance as a platform with things like Steam Machines.

Satoshi_Matrix

12-13-2015, 06:35 AM

For anyone who is complaining about the 8th generation for whatever reason, this is the perfect time to swoop in and play the hundreds upon hundreds of hidden gems on the 7th gen systems and do it all on the cheap. There are dozens of PS3 games that I've got recently and are on my backlog. Stuff that just wasn't on my radar for whatever reason when they first came out. Plus all of the downloadable stuff that keeps getting sales all the time.

When it comes to gaming, it really doesn't matter if a game is brand new or if it's been out twenty years. If its your first play playing it, then the game is new to you.

Gamevet

12-13-2015, 11:48 AM

kupomogli

12-13-2015, 01:50 PM

Satoshi_Matrix

12-13-2015, 05:47 PM

But what if you've played them, you know, last gen.

It is almost inconceivable that you've played everything worth playing across the Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, DS and PSP. That generation lasted far longer than any generation before it and is still not technically over yet with some releases still coming out for PS3, Xbox 360 and even PSP.

Now is the time to comb over the library and play the games you missed. For example if you like FPS games, have you played Singularity? Singularity was utterly killed by Call of Duty in terms of popularity and sales, but I think Singularity is one of the best shooters of the generation as it does so many unique things. Have you played the beautiful and emotional Fragile Dreams for Wii? How abotu the novel Time & Eternity for PS3? or Ninja Blade for the Xbox 360? The point is, there are dozens and dozens of gems that most people missed that are unique and awesome and toally worth playing now if you think there's a 'drought' in worth while brand new games. The PSP is teeming with JRPGs that I still haven't played and want to get to eventually.

JSoup

12-13-2015, 06:18 PM

It is almost inconceivable that you've played everything worth playing across the Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, DS and PSP.

Top 10 lists exist almost perfectly for this reason.

Satoshi_Matrix

12-13-2015, 06:57 PM

Because everyone knows each platform only has ten games worth playing, and only the most popular of games are worth playing?

Umm......I really, really reject that notion.

JSoup

12-13-2015, 08:02 PM

Because everyone knows each platform only has ten games worth playing, and only the most popular of games are worth playing?

When the point flew over your head, did it make a sound? Seems like it would have been pretty loud.

kupomogli

12-14-2015, 01:16 AM

It is almost inconceivable that you've played everything worth playing across the Wii.

Top 10 lists exist almost perfectly for this reason.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

Satoshi_Matrix

12-14-2015, 02:42 AM

What're you talking about? The Wii most of all is filled with hidden gems, especially later in its life. I wonder just how many people missed wonderful games like Fragile Dreams, Trauma Team, The Klonoa remake, A Boy and His Blob...even Sin & Punishment Star Successor is a hidden gem on Wii despite how much Nintendo promoted that. There are even hidden gems amongst the casual shovelware. For example, Martian Panic. Despite it's hilariously generic name and Android or iOS-like art, this is a really fantastic light gun shooter that you can pick up for like $2. This is what I'm talking about. There are a lot of games that flew under people's radar and why I so strongly object to some notion that you can solely determine what's worth playing based on a top 10 list. That's a place to start, not a place to finish.

Leo_A

12-14-2015, 06:23 AM

I could easily fill 5 of those 10 slots just with excellent light-gun style shooters on the Wii. A top 10 list is completely inadequate when it comes to covering the majority of the excellent experiences available on the Wii.

As Satoshi_Matrix said, you can even venture off the beaten path on the Wii beyond the hidden gems that seemingly get mentioned every where, and have a good time. I've never seen Minicopter: Adventure Flight mentioned anywhere for instance, yet I really enjoyed the 12 hours or so that it took to 100% it.

One of the great things about right now for last-gen consoles. You can take a chance on a title that you would've never spent even $20 on in years prior, since you're pretty much just going to be out of the cost of a soda these days for most games if it's a dud. Great for games with a title, description, or even just artwork that catches your eye despite being a completely unknown quantity.

And even if it's the next Minidesktop Racing, it's worth the $2 just to satisfy your curiosity since the risk is so low. At least for me, there's fun in just doing that and it's especially nice when you're rewarded with a good time that few others ever will experience.

Satoshi_Matrix

12-14-2015, 02:16 PM

Right, and this holds true for games of the sixth generation as well. I would have never given some PS2 games I have such as Maximo vs the Army of Zin even a second glance when it was $60, but for $1.50 I added it to my collection and I'm glad I did.

This is what I'm talking about. There are a lot of PS3, 360 Wii, PSP and DS games out there that never made any top 10 list yet are still cool little gems worth discovering. If you truly are feeling meh about current games, just go back to just a few years ago and see what you overlooked. You're guaranteed to find something, especially on platforms you didn't pay much attention to. Lots of people missed out on late PSP and DS games after the Vita and 3DS had already launched for example.

BetaWolf

12-15-2015, 12:03 PM

What I think is going on is people care too much about the reputation of their systems. That matters more than the library these days. The market is ruled by 18-35 year olds buying Call of Duty and Madden titles. Microsoft shot themselves in the foot in terms of consumer relations, so now the PS4 is the better of the two Call of Duty and Madden machines. So many people on the internet think innovative, AAA, quality titles are what sell a system, and that all consumers do proper research. How I wish that was the case.

Look at what the damning 2006 E3 presentation did to PS3 the first few years of its life.

Satoshi_Matrix

12-15-2015, 12:50 PM

Welllllllllll I think the larger problem with the PS3 initial launch was to do with the price. That $599 USD price point was an overestimation of the loyalty PS2 owners had with the brand. Sony's then-CEO Ken Kutaragi's famously went on record expecting people to accept the price and if they couldn't afford it to take two jobs at once. Most people were not willing to do that, and the price was the major barrier to entry for most people until Sony finally began to lower the price. Most people, including me, didn't buy a PS3 until the slim model came out. The original model was simply too expensive - I remember people saying that you could buy a Nintendo Wii AND an Xbox 360 and still pay less than you would for just a PS3.

Even though the PS4 is the most expensive of the 8th gen consoles right now, the gap between it and the Xbone isn't anything like the gap between the 360 and the PS3 in its early years.

Tupin

12-15-2015, 02:59 PM

Leo_A

12-15-2015, 03:47 PM

Sony's then-CEO Ken Kutaragi's famously went on record expecting people to accept the price and if they couldn't afford it to take two jobs at once.

I can't vouch for its authenticity, but I recently read that he never actually made such a statement.

Edit: While not in those exact words, he essentially did by stating that he hopes that consumers when they see the high price tag will think to themselves that "I will work more hours to buy one".

kupomogli

12-15-2015, 04:04 PM

People joked for years that the PS3 had no games. And for years, that was generally true. It was the epitome of a late bloomer. It took four years for it to be a system worth owning, and then Sony got sidetracked with the whole motion control fad...

This. I bought the PS3 day one and most of what I played on the console for the first couple of years were PS2 games. Three years after release I only owned four exclusives, literally. I've played around three times that amount through renting, but didn't care for them so never purchased them, and from what I own now I'd own more than four if I had them at time of release. I did have a lot of multiconsole games between the 360, and I guess it's a good thing that I didn't care about too many games that were exclusive on the 360. I missed out on Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Shadow Complex(digital only so I wouldn't purchase anyways,) and Test Drive Unlimited(which I owned for the PS2,) but otherwise nothing I was really interested that didn't come to the PS3 later. At the time, Xbox 360 didn't have very many games either, as Microsoft was driving sales through timed exclusive content or timed exclusives that later came out on the PS3. Because of so many timed exclusives, it just looked like the 360 had so many more games. Between first and third party, PS3 started picking up at 2010 where I actually was interested in more than one exclusive a year. Every year after it kept getting better and better until the launch of the PS4, but even then we're still getting some good looking exclusives like Trails of Cold Steel. Oh yeah, and Yakuza 5, but as big of a Yakuza fan as I am, no retail, no sale(atleast until it's $10 or less.)

*edit*

Oh, and here's a thought. Microsoft had that bs DRM, and then Sony made the comment about not having it, even made the video about letting your friends borrow your physical copies. If you noticed though, Sony is pushing digital in the west harder than Microsoft is. Look at Bloodborne the Old Hunters. Retail in Japan and Europe, digital only in the US. Gravity Rush was also going to be digital only in the US and then they finally announced a retail version. Yakuza 5 is being released for a silent death with a digital only release considering it's only on the PS3. The game wouldn't be coming to the US if it wasn't for Sony, so Sony is at fault for not releasing it at retail. Beyond Two Souls Remastered is digital only in the US, Heavy Rain remastered is going to be digital only in the US, but Sony Europe stated that they'll release a retail version with both games, Japan already has the retail version with both games up for preorder.

So Sony received a lot of good will from the community for saving retail and not forcing DRM down our throats, but just look at what they're doing. They're forcing DRM down our throats. It's something most people haven't noticed and it's right in front of their faces.

Leo_A

12-15-2015, 04:55 PM

I missed out on Shadow Complex(digital only so I wouldn't purchase anyways,) and Test Drive Unlimited(which I owned for the PS2,)

Did you buy Test Drive Unlimited 2 for the PS3? If so, Oahu in improved form is the 2nd island you reach later in the game. So in a roundabout way, you didn't miss much of anything with this one.

You're going to get a 2nd chance at Shadow Complex, since it's being remastered for the PS4 and XB1. I assume that you own or plan to own a PS4, although it likely will still be a digital exclusive (I'm surprised that this one missed out on being included on a XBLA compilation discs, but I checked and it's not on any of them).

kupomogli

12-15-2015, 05:36 PM

Did you buy Test Drive Unlimited 2 for the PS3? If so, Oahu in improved form is the 2nd island you reach later in the game. So in a roundabout way, you didn't miss much of anything with this one.

You're going to get a 2nd chance at Shadow Complex, since it's being remastered for the PS4 and XB1. I assume that you own or plan to own a PS4, although it likely will still be a digital exclusive (I'm surprised that this one missed out on being included on a XBLA compilation discs, but I checked and it's not on any of them).

Yeah I own TDU2 but I actually like the first one better. The first one has literally hundreds and hundreds of different tracks across the island. All the club races are different tracks against each opponent starting at the bottom as well. The second game has this tournament story mode and doesn't have as many tracks throughout the game. With 11 race classes and the most I've seen were seven races(I think I made it to A2 before I quit playing) then there's at most 77 tracks. Pretty weak considering there are more roads(Ibiza) in addition to the hundreds of miles of off road. That being said, TDU2 is still a fun racing game, I just didn't have as much fun as I had with the first. Forza Horizon is apparently TDU and TDU2 with better graphics, so that's two games I'll eventually pick up when and if I get an Xbox One.

Maybe Limited Run Games makes a deal to release Shadow Complex at retail if Epic doesn't.

Leo_A

12-15-2015, 06:05 PM

While Forza Horizon has a similar concept (And should hopefully soon be on the Xbox One's BC list, joining the sequel for the XB1), The Crew really is the spiritual successor to this franchise.

It was developed by newcomer Ivory Tower, which is composed of many former employees of Eden Games. The Test Drive Unlimited DNA is clearly evident just about anywhere you look and it seems obvious that they were out to create what amounts to TDU3. If you own a PS4, I highly recommend that you pick this one up.

It just received a significant overhaul that corrects many of its issues, including a completely redone graphics engine. It's a free update that has reinvigorated the community and solved most of its issues (although the DLC expansion labeled as Wild Run is a paid add-on). Not a bad time to be getting involved in it.

The sole major issue remaining is that despite being just as enjoyable and accessible when playing solo as Test Drive Unlimited was, you're not allowed to play it without being connected to the Ubisoft server. As a result, it has a built-in expiration date. And the online component really isn't all that great, which makes it all the more frustrating that Ubisoft didn't remove their leash when they updated the game.

BetaWolf

12-15-2015, 07:09 PM

The original model was simply too expensive - I remember people saying that you could buy a Nintendo Wii AND an Xbox 360 and still pay less than you would for just a PS3.
That simply wasn't true either, unless you're talking about getting the massively gimped Xbox 360 that had no memory card, no hard drive, no games, and no wireless connectivity. And that's not even acknowledging how overpriced Xbox 360 accessories were for a long time.

Satoshi_Matrix

12-15-2015, 07:28 PM

That's the route I went down. My first 360 didn't have a hardrive, just a 256MB memory card.

The 1 2 P

12-16-2015, 09:40 PM

Edit: While not in those exact words, he essentially did by stating that he hopes that consumers when they see the high price tag will think to themselves that "I will work more hours to buy one".

They also told PS3 owners who were tired of waiting for long mandatory updates to go make a sandwich. Yes really.

So Sony received a lot of good will from the community for saving retail and not forcing DRM down our throats, but just look at what they're doing. They're forcing DRM down our throats. It's something most people haven't noticed and it's right in front of their faces.

I think many have noticed, there's just not much backlash. The same thing happened when Microsoft paid to make Rise Of The Tomb Raider a timed exclusive. There was lots of backlash but when Sony paid to have Street Fighter V(and Silent Hills before it) exclusive there was very little backlash. The same people complaining about one situation magically pretend to not have a problem with it when Sony does the same things.

One thing I think PS4 owners should have taken Sony to task for was them refusing to have EA Access on PS4. Yes we all know that it's because of PS Now but Sony's official bullshit excuse (http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Sony-Slams-EA-Access-Says-It-Isn-t-Good-Value-66504.html) was that EA Access didn't represent good value for PS4 owners. Because apparently Sony doesn't think they can make that decision for themselves. But as long as EA didn't hold any games back from PS Now they were originally planning to put there then I don't see why there would be a problem with it.

As for Microsoft, for all the stupid policies they were planning for the Xbox One I can at least give them credit for not launching with any of them. The worst thing about the XBO's launch was that it cost $500 and was a full $100 more than a PS4. It should have been no more than $450 even with Kinect, which, by launch, could be turned off, unplugged or covered with your dirty undies so it's inclusion in the box was no longer a hindrance as long as the price point was right. But they still launched with that $100 price difference and have suffered greatly for it. As for the power difference, we can look at several generations where the less powerful hardware sold more than it's more powerful competion(PS2 outselling Xbox, DS outselling PSP, 3DS outselling Vita, etc) so I don't think that was a huge selling point for most of the casual buyers. But the combo of bad PR and a higher price tag pretty much marketed the PS4 all by itself. Which is why they can still get away with no must buy games yet.

Tanooki

12-16-2015, 10:01 PM

I remember then when the PS3 came out and Ken popped up saying this about the $600 price when asked why so expensive? - "This is the PS3 price. Expensive, cheap - we don't want you to think of it in terms of game machines."

That didn't win anyone over, and got all those lovely partly misquoted memes over it $600, Cheap!

That went over really well with PS2 owners and then some which made the PS3 sales blow until it fell off that price by a 1/3.

And with this time around instead of not only just pricing it too high with a forced spycam no one really wanted, MS throws in the intended DRM cockpunching they were forced to back off of but the damage was done. All it takes is some stupid intent and a price that's unreasonable and you'll drive off plenty of buyers and as much as games may make the hardware guys think lots of short memories with all the full price yearly rehash, plenty enough do and the sales of both systems play that out.

The 1 2 P

12-17-2015, 04:19 PM

with a forced spycam

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr306/THE-1-2-P/9k_zps8lrqkgct.jpg (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/THE-1-2-P/media/9k_zps8lrqkgct.jpg.html)

Tanooki

12-17-2015, 04:22 PM

That the best you got? It was somewhat sarcasm since the thing was exposed to have an open gateway on it awhile back which set off lots of security nuts.

kai123

12-17-2015, 04:36 PM

The 1 2 P

12-17-2015, 04:39 PM

That the best you got? It was somewhat sarcasm since the thing was exposed to have an open gateway on it awhile back which set off lots of security nuts.

If they really wanted to spy on people don't you think they'd use windows PC's? There's millions more of them and webcams have been standard for several years now.

The 1 2 P

12-17-2015, 05:01 PM

Sony is pulling more bullshit than MS this time around. MS got called out on their shit and everyone railed against them to change it. They did for the most part but then Sony isn't even trying to give us any BC and MS is busting their ass to give it to us again. I tried Fallout 3 again to try on my Xbone and it works great. Sony on the other hand is charging us again for PS2 classics that we may already have a disc copy of or have purchased on our PS3. Want to play some PS3 games on your PS4? Stream them...great and with all the cable companies pushing data caps it isn't as viable as it may have been. Everyone said the new consoles were too weak to play the last gen but it seems MS isn't being lazy about it and trying to get some goodwill back from people. Sony is slowly losing any from me. I hate being triple dipped for no good reason. I love paying for PSplus and then I have to pay again to stream games. They have yet to give away one game on the streaming service for PSplus free games. Blah, I love my PS4 for certain things and hate it for others.

Your post is very similar to the main point of this thread: that Sony is doing so successful right now that they don't have to release any system selling games or be innovative with their features and updates. They have become lazy based solely on how successful they've been. There's still stuff to do on your PS4 but Microsoft is in a much different boat. The Xbox One is by no means a failure but they always directly compare their success to their chief rival, which is Sony(and vice versa). So because Sony is selling so much better then them they are compelled to constantly try and come up with new features, release new exclusive software and constantly listen to consumer feedback on what they want to come out for the system as far as improvements and possible new features. This is why competition is such a good thing for everyone. If Sony were challenged more by the Xbox One they'd probably start being more innovative but for the time being they most likely don't feel the need to do so.

SparTonberry

12-17-2015, 05:02 PM

Do people even use webcams that much (aside from some youtubers)?
I know those were the cool thing in the late '90s, but I don't know if I've seen someone actually use one in person.

FieryReign

12-17-2015, 05:35 PM

Do people even use webcams that much (aside from some youtubers)?
I know those were the cool thing in the late '90s, but I don't know if I've seen someone actually use one in person.

Porncams.

JSoup

12-17-2015, 05:40 PM

Porncams.

Never forget, this was one of the first thing PS4 Playroom streamers did right out of the box.

kupomogli

12-17-2015, 07:27 PM

Your post is very similar to the main point of this thread: that Sony is doing so successful right now that they don't have to release any system selling games or be innovative with their features and updates. They have become lazy based solely on how successful they've been. There's still stuff to do on your PS4 but Microsoft is in a much different boat. The Xbox One is by no means a failure but they always directly compare their success to their chief rival, which is Sony(and vice versa). So because Sony is selling so much better then them they are compelled to constantly try and come up with new features, release new exclusive software and constantly listen to consumer feedback on what they want to come out for the system as far as improvements and possible new features. This is why competition is such a good thing for everyone. If Sony were challenged more by the Xbox One they'd probably start being more innovative but for the time being they most likely don't feel the need to do so.

Sony isn't not doing anything, it's just that like every single gen prior, Sony always has a rough start. Even the PSX and PS2 Sony half assed it for the first couple of years, PSX for no reason, but PS2 and PS3 because continued support of the previous console. After the PS3 launched there were several exclusives released by Sony for the PS2. After the PS4 launched there were several exclusives released for the PS3. Sony does what the other console developers don't by supporting their consoles after the next one launches.

People always make comments about Sony not having competition being the reason for slow launches, but this is just Sony. I mean the PS3 was a failure compared to the PSX and PS2, so do you think that they sat on their ass with PS4? It's just how they do things, and imo they just don't get that people want new games with their new console and that doing so pushes more sales than supporting older consoles which will just appease fans who don't want to move to the next gen yet. As has already been stated. Microsoft has been doing just as crappy as Sony has this gen when it comes to pushing new games, so it's not like Microsoft has actually been doing anything either, despite how far behind they are. Both Sony and Microsoft have been doing stuff towards the OS though, so it's not like Sony hasn't been pushing that. PS3 backwards compatibility is impossible thanks to the architecture of the PS3.

Games that have been in development for awhile are finally coming in 2016. Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Horizon, Gravity Rush 2, and Gran Turismo Sport are five big releases coming out next year along with all the other releases that they have planed for release, including Heavy Rain Remastered, Gravity Rush Remastered, and then the third party games that are funded and co developed by Sony, Street Fighter 5. Or Yakuza Zero which wouldn't be releasing if not because of Sony. As of next year, Sony will have blown Microsoft away when it comes to support. So much for Sony slacking off due to no competition right? *edit* Oh yeah. And let's not forget the deal they made with Kojima to release a PS4 console exclusive that will later go to PC. Yeah. That's obviously a publisher that's not supporting their console.

Tanooki

12-17-2015, 07:40 PM

If they really wanted to spy on people don't you think they'd use windows PC's? There's millions more of them and webcams have been standard for several years now.

Yeah I know they could, they do in some ways, but cameras I really doubt it.

I'm kind of surprised at the Sony hate for petty junk like being entitled to backwards compatibility as no one is, though anyone would have a fair argument buying a PSN PS2 download once on PS3 and not having it work on PS4 as that's just grubby. Sorry but no one is entitled to run a 15 year old DVD game on a modern system, and PS3, hardware isn't compatible and emulating that beast on PS4 I'm sure would be a real treasure. MS has the designs of the PC through the systems with their Windows like cores and Direct X engines they can get it done and away with in varying degrees far easier so it's not hard to grasp.

The argument is very sound that Sony is more on cruise mode, they have no reason not to be while anyone in second wanting to gain ground would do more which is what you are seeing on The One so far as MS doesn't like being out of primary control. If it were neck and neck Sony probably would cook up something but there's no reason to. Nintendo a decade back was screwed so they backed up the motion junk because they were desperate and that play worked as a one off, then at a leader they got lazy and the others sold more and they fell off, then fell into the WiiU pit they're in now. The thing is too Sony isn't doing nothing either, every generation they've always been the same a slow starter that doesn't take off until 2-3 years in, because that's when finally the hardware prices settle, people learn a few things, and they get out those hallmark titles that people will remember over the generational gaps and that's really when they open up best doing locked down software on their system only. They're actively at it, like kupo pointed out, such as with Kojima basically going second party friend level PS4 exclusive developing stuff which MS will never taste like with MGS5 and before. Sony knows in the end that the most unique solid library of games with good consistency in quality and releases will beat out kitschy features (backwards compatibility) and other nominal fluff and programs.

The 1 2 P

12-17-2015, 10:20 PM

People always make comments about Sony not having competition being the reason for slow launches, but this is just Sony.

I didn't say anything about a slow launch as the PS4 is selling faster than any of their previous systems. I and others(including PS4 owners) have pointed out that's it's selling very well despite a lack of compelling software, hence the title of the thread. Nor did I say anything about them not having competition. Microsoft and Nintendo will always be their main competition.

That's obviously a publisher that's not supporting their console.

Again, I didn't say anything about Sony not supporting the PS4. I said that their success will/can cause them to be lazy and less innovative.

Do people even use webcams that much (aside from some youtubers)?
I know those were the cool thing in the late '90s, but I don't know if I've seen someone actually use one in person.

These days besides for webcam shows people use them mostly for Skype, or at least the people I know who use webcams use them for that. I have Skype but rarely ever use it.

kupomogli

12-17-2015, 11:53 PM

I didn't say anything about a slow launch as the PS4 is selling faster than any of their previous systems. I and others(including PS4 owners) have pointed out that's it's selling very well despite a lack of compelling software, hence the title of the thread. Nor did I say anything about them not having competition. Microsoft and Nintendo will always be their main competition.

No competition "could" make Sony ignore releasing new content, but as good as the third party games for the PS2 was and how far ahead Sony was, in 2005 only one year prior to the PS3s release, Sony still developed or funded and released God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Wild ARMs Alter Code F, Wild ARMs 4(01/06,) Champions Return to Arms, Rogue Galaxy, Sly 3, Genji, Rise of the Kasai, and Gran Turismo 4 as well as their sports and Eyetoy games. Aside from all the Singstar games, sports games, and PSP ports, after the PS3 released they still released Wild ARMs 5, God of War 2, and Ratchet and Clank Size Matters.

This is why anyone I disregard anyone who makes the comments of Sony's lack of support when there's no competition, because it's happened. The Xbox and Gamecube were pretty much no competition compared to the PS2 in terms of sales and Sony had all the third party support, but they still heavily supported the console at the end of the systems life.

Sony's lack of support at the beginning of the console generation though? Every console generation. They really need to get their act together because that's where it matters the most and they do such a poor job.

WCP

12-17-2015, 11:59 PM

Never forget, this was one of the first thing PS4 Playroom streamers did right out of the box.

Never forget Uno on the Xbox 360. Talk about a sausage fest... :)

Gamevet

12-20-2015, 02:43 AM

theclaw

12-20-2015, 04:08 PM

It doesn't seem all that important to me. Nothing more than the name on the game's box.
If the good PS4 games are from Sony, fine, if not move along.

The 1 2 P

12-21-2015, 08:02 PM

No competition "could" make Sony ignore releasing new content, but as good as the third party games for the PS2 was and how far ahead Sony was, in 2005 only one year prior to the PS3s release, Sony still developed or funded and released God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Wild ARMs Alter Code F, Wild ARMs 4(01/06,) Champions Return to Arms, Rogue Galaxy, Sly 3, Genji, Rise of the Kasai, and Gran Turismo 4 as well as their sports and Eyetoy games. Aside from all the Singstar games, sports games, and PSP ports, after the PS3 released they still released Wild ARMs 5, God of War 2, and Ratchet and Clank Size Matters.

I doubt Sony will be skimping on new games due to how far they are ahead of the competition. As I stated in previous post next year in 2016 they have several heavy hitters lined up. Barring any delays into the next year they should have a pretty solid year of exclusive software.

This is why anyone I disregard anyone who makes the comments of Sony's lack of support when there's no competition, because it's happened.

I hear you and similarly I disregard people who make up bull shit conspiracy theories about why the XBO hasn't sold as well as the PS4. Microsoft's struggles before launch and the changes made before hand are well documented. Even after launch the damage was done and the price tag didn't help things either. There's no conspiracies to be found there. They took a gamble and bet wrong. Phil Spencer has been on damage control ever since.

Sony's lack of support at the beginning of the console generation though? Every console generation. They really need to get their act together because that's where it matters the most and they do such a poor job.

Here's the thing though, Sony doesn't necessarily need all the heavy hitters at launch because not many consoles have must-buy exclusives or killer apps at launch. Microsoft had Halo for the Xbox launch and Sega had Soul Calibur for the Dreamcast launch but outside of a select few others these are the exceptions and not the rule. Sometimes you'll even get games that come out early in the systems life that takes full, or near full advantage of the hardware like Sonic for the Genesis and Gears of War for the 360 and if you're lucky those games will be fun too, which both of those examples were. But that's really not the PS4's issue right now.

When I've asked my friends who own PS4's over the last two years what they've been playing they typically name a third party game. Something like Watchdogs, Batman: Arkham Knight, the newest COD or Assassin's Creed and lately either The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4. There have been very few times when they told me they were playing a PS4 exclusive. We even had a thread here on DP where the OP was pretty much begging people to like The Order despite it's less than stellar reception. The general consensus I've heard and from my own opinion of the library and also why these threads are starting to pop up on the internet is that the PS4's overall first party line-up has been mediocre at best. And it's not even a comparison to what's available on other systems. People have been judging the PS4's line up on it's own merits because they are so far ahead of the competition. The PS4 is selling at least three times better than the Wii U and at least two times better than the XBO so people are naturally curious what sort of games it has to give it such a boost/lead. But when people finally take a peak at the current line up we get threads like this.

Obviously there's a good amount of third party content but the issue stems from Sony's first party line up so far. And it's not even a lack of support like you suggested because there are a decent amount of first party games now that we are in year three, it's just that you'd be hard pressed to find one that people overall agree is a killer app.

kupomogli

12-21-2015, 09:10 PM

Since the launch of this gen we've seen that for fans of Japanese games, PS4 domination is good for gamers in the west. An announcement today brings up the first Gundam game we've received in the west since that pos Gundam Crossfire.

Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs Force isn't a PS4 game, it's a Vita game, but all these Japanese releases started to come out after the massive popularity of the PS4 and developers actually started to get good sales for their Japanese releases. It's like the PS2 all over again when we got a lot of good Gundam games right up until the Namco Bandai merger where we had to pretty much import everything Gundam. This makes me pretty sure that Gundam Breaker 3 is going to be released on the PS4 and Vita in the west. If you own a PS4 or Vita, based on my experience with the first game, you'll want to buy it.

Anyways. I'll be getting Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs Force the day it comes out to show my support so we keep getting games. This is basically the latest in the Gundam vs Gundam franchise. Good arcade like fighting game if you haven't played it, unfortunately it's a bit difficult to have an enjoyable online match when online is filled with racist Japanese who keep suiciding or kicking you from the room if you're not Japanese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPCSldykStA

The 1 2 P

12-21-2015, 09:16 PM

kupomogli

12-21-2015, 09:39 PM

I'm not sure about the Vita but you know the PS4 is region free so anything that comes out over there in Japan is playable for you. And if the Vita is region free than you can literally play anything across both systems without having to worry about them being localized.

Just because the systems are region free doesn't mean that it's okay to not receive localizations. Too many games are unplayable because of the language barrier. Even when the language barrier is limited it still takes a reasonable amount of time to get used to what certain functions and options mean now that so many games deal with statistics and customization now days.

No localization also means that we're limited to the amount of reviews we can read on a game and also it's hard to tell whether it's a game you'd really enjoy. Sometimes it might seem that it's a game you'd enjoy, but then when receiving it, the game is a pos. Phantasy Star Nova is a great example. Too much of a language barrier to be enjoyable, didn't seem that way in the videos I watched, and way too easy and way way way way way too repetitive when you do get to the gameplay. A huge step back from any other Phantasy Star Online or Portable game I've played.

There's also the exorbitant import prices compared to what we'd spend if the game was actually released in our country. So unless we read Japanese, we have to deal with the language barrier on top of paying a high price.

WCP

12-23-2015, 11:53 PM

Back on Topic (somewhat)

Uncharted 4 delayed till late April 2016

More smoke and mirrors :)

Naw, but seriously, wake me up when the PS4 has a super compelling exclusive ( I guess late April ) I am however genuinely excited for Playstation VR. I might hate it after trying it, but at this current point in time, I'm quite excited for PS VR but have no idea if I'm actually going to like it or not, so hopefully they get demos at best buy or something..

kupomogli

12-24-2015, 01:16 AM

Naw, but seriously, wake me up when the PS4 has a super compelling exclusive ( I guess late April ) I am however genuinely excited for Playstation VR. I might hate it after trying it, but at this current point in time, I'm quite excited for PS VR but have no idea if I'm actually going to like it or not, so hopefully they get demos at best buy or something..

There's been more exclusive retail titles worth playing on the PS4 and more indie titles worth playing on the PS4 than Xbox One. Microsoft's entire library is smoke and mirrors because it's nothing more than Phil Spencer spreading misinformation to the fanbase in hopes that someone drops $300 on a console with less games right now, not to mention the games that are coming out in the future. A one month delay. Whoopty doo. Better than a game that's broken at launch.

Tanooki

12-24-2015, 03:14 PM

I'd rather wait a month too instead of the usual third party garbage of late beta broken problems to patch out within the day to a week after release or so. And yeah the One is living off smoke and mirrors. I still find it cute some fanboys will rattle off Titanfall being exclusive and amazing, yet given decent PC hardware you get a superior version on there.

The 1 2 P

12-26-2015, 03:10 PM

Just because the systems are region free doesn't mean that it's okay to not receive localizations. Too many games are unplayable because of the language barrier. Even when the language barrier is limited it still takes a reasonable amount of time to get used to what certain functions and options mean now that so many games deal with statistics and customization now days.

No localization also means that we're limited to the amount of reviews we can read on a game and also it's hard to tell whether it's a game you'd really enjoy. Sometimes it might seem that it's a game you'd enjoy, but then when receiving it, the game is a pos. Phantasy Star Nova is a great example. Too much of a language barrier to be enjoyable, didn't seem that way in the videos I watched, and way too easy and way way way way way too repetitive when you do get to the gameplay. A huge step back from any other Phantasy Star Online or Portable game I've played.

There's also the exorbitant import prices compared to what we'd spend if the game was actually released in our country. So unless we read Japanese, we have to deal with the language barrier on top of paying a high price.

Very true and I would rather have a local copy too. However, I got very use to importing games back during the PS1 gen. To the point where I learned the entire Katakana alphabet just to be able to navigate through any menu screens that might otherwise prove difficult. It helped that I didn't play any rpg's. So I'd take a local copy when available but if not I don't mind importing a game that may not come out over here.

Back on Topic (somewhat)

Uncharted 4 delayed till late April 2016

More smoke and mirrors :)

Naw, but seriously, wake me up when the PS4 has a super compelling exclusive ( I guess late April )

I'm just going to build you a time machine. We'll set it for say, 2052. That's a nice round number and in that year there's guaranteed to be at least one super compelling PS4 exclusive....maybe.

megasdkirby

12-31-2015, 06:58 PM

I recently got a PS4, when they were lowered to $299 at Amazon.

I too was skeptical about the games available. Then, in less than a month, I already have 20 physical games in my collection, and those were titles I really did want to play. Plus, I had amassed around 50+ PSN games thanks to Playstation Plus.

So the idea of the system not having games is a mere illusion. This applies to the Xbox One as well.

The same thing was said about the Vita, and I currently have over 65 physical titles and a plethora of PSN games. I believe that the reason why people think there are no games is because they don't give those same games an actual try...there were many games that I first thought they did not interest me, but when I started playing them, I was surprised on how good they were. I was not influenced by hype or reviews at all. Those are all relative to the reviewers taste.

Granted, this is just my opinion. But I suggest giving titles a try and not dismiss them, even if they don't seem interesting. You may be missing out on quite a few gems.

And also because Amazon reduced the price of my PS4 to $149.50, but that's a different story altogether. :)

FieryReign

12-31-2015, 07:18 PM

Tanooki

12-31-2015, 11:13 PM

You know back on that first page I said I didn't think it would be a good idea, but screw it. Click those, then sort by the US market, or click Exclus(ive) once to get 'console' on top (timed is second, and network digital stuff is third.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_%28eighth_generation %29#PlayStation_4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_%28eighth_generation %29#Xbox_One

So what 'no games' are we talking about exactly on PS4. And if they have no games, what's less than no games when the One has a shorter list?? Negative games?

Fiery -- Agreed, I went through that as I grabbed the games for the 4mo of free PS+ I had, and now they're all locked. I ended up erasing them both off the system and also my html inventory I keep. You don't own them, they are free, but they're just free rentals until you stop buying the service which is totally reasonable and fair. It's best to watch for those deep sales where you can get them gog/steam like cheap as they're paid for and can't be removed then.

The 1 2 P

01-01-2016, 05:52 PM

The free PSplus games are a gift and also shitty. I see people saying how nice it is to get free games. Yeah. But they will remove them from you if your membership expires. I'd rather pay for it when it's on sale and have it be mine, than build a huge digital collection of rentals that will most likely not get played, not having to renew subscriptions if I don't want to.

That's why I like Microsoft's version of this. If you cancel your subscription you get to keep all the free games you downloaded on your 360. I think the only reason they switched this over on the Xbox One was because they saw how easily Sony was chumping their customers with the paid rentals on both PS3 and PS4. But at least they kept it the same on the 360. They also recently made it where 360 owners can also get the free Xbox One games even if they don't have an Xbox One yet.