What retro consoles are good for LED?

[PizzaKat]

I needsome advice/ What games are decent on LED? I have a CRT but im changing my game setup. I have from NES to current

[PizzaKat]

sorry I meant consoles

[Niku-Sama]

I'd imagine anything with component output but you'll still run into input lag issues

[bb_hood]

If you have not already gotten a TV/Monitor... just stay the f*** away from anything LG.
LG stands for 'Lousy Garbage'.

[Niku-Sama]

"Smart" TVs seem to only add to the problems

[PreZZ]

Thread should be titled "which tv model are good for retro gaming".

[Tanooki]

All of them are if you're not someone who has a bug in their butt about using a CRT.

It's not the style or the maker that's the problem, it's display lag entirely. You must have a TV that falls in at 30ms or under (more under the better) or the display lag will ruin your classic gaming experience where what you see isn't where the game still is so your responses are lagged causing stupid deaths and misses.

Go here: http://www.displaylag.com/

Research a list of TVs you want using their database. Anything popping up as great will be fantastic, the stuff better (noted as excellent) almost always are actual LEDs designed foremost for computer usage, though there are a few with expensive processing chips added inside that counteract the TV lag. When I got a 29" TV a few years ago it was $250 and has a 25ms lag on it and I had no issues, the few rare games (usually shooters or punchout) if you enable game mode drops it even further so they were fine too.) At that time I could have paid $200 more for a 24" Sony that had a chip in it that would have lowered it into the low teens like a PC screen. I just inherited my grandmas 32" Samsung which falls in agt 26ms (+1ms) but it still runs like a nice watch as far as old games are under the same conditions (game mode vs not.) I just leave it on game mode as I'm lazy don't want to mess with the buttons though.

It's all about the lag, go there, great or excellent -- or don't bother.

[bb_hood]

It's not the style or the maker that's the problem,

Well, I got a 32" LG tv new for 70$.. some college student bought it then, dropped out of college and had to go back to California so he was forced to sell it.
Now this is a 2016 model, brand new retailed for around 160.. and its a piece of shit.

Its got some problem; if you have more than one device hooked up to it at once it will ask you "Do you want to enjoy the HDMI input #2" every 25 minutes. So if you like looking at a text block in the middle of the screen every 30 minutes than this is the TV for you. So basically you are forced to keep only one device hooked up to the TV at all times.

Furthermore, I bought this to use as my desktop monitor and OF COURSE its got no VGA input. I dont know why, but when I look at pictures they just look bad compared to my old TV I used as a monitor. There is also a delay when Im looking at pictures.. Im guessing this is an HDMI thing but its still total bullshit.

The Philips flatTV I used previously from 2006 puts this thing to shame. Some makers produce shitty products.

[PizzaKat]

thanks for the responses everyone. Is a regular CRT better than the ones that have a flat screen?

[Tanooki]

Blanket statement, according to that site some LG's are just fine. As bad as it may be, you can't even find consistency in the same year let alone others. Some TVs use the same guts on certain inch sizes from the same year/maker and some don't. I found that digging for TVs when my one broke a few years back. I understand you ended up with an awful LG and sorry is was that broken and shitty but not all LGs would fail at gaming.

My old Panasonic Viera LCD around 2005-6 put the 40+ " big screen samsung LED I picked up around 5 years back. The only thing the Samsung is good for is a PS3 or better, otherwise just watching TV and movies as it's crap for 100% of games beyond a few years before it was made.


There's nothing better about a CRT other than preference. They're no def, low resolution, they're blurry, and they are damned heavy and eat up a lot of space. Perfect for a pre-HD console, but that's about it if you want a truly authentic experience as the modern sets that don't exhibit the lag problem are crispy clear like an emulator on a computer screen.

[bb_hood]

Blanket statement, according to that site some LG's are just fine. As bad as it may be, you can't even find consistency in the same year let alone others. Some TVs use the same guts on certain inch sizes from the same year/maker and some don't. I found that digging for TVs when my one broke a few years back. I understand you ended up with an awful LG and sorry is was that broken and shitty but not all LGs would fail at gaming.


Whelp... why would you buy a specific brand of TV knowing that you could get one with problems? After I noticed the problem, I did a google search and I noticed that people have complained about the same problem back in 2014/15. Like seriously, LG continues to produce these TVs with this problem??? THAT = shitty company. I wouldnt consider it "broken", just a really shitty TV.



There's nothing better about a CRT other than preference. They're no def, low resolution, they're blurry, and they are damned heavy and eat up a lot of space. Perfect for a pre-HD console, but that's about it if you want a truly authentic experience as the modern sets that don't exhibit the lag problem are crispy clear like an emulator on a computer screen.

Yeah, CRTs are just not good for modern gaming.. but they are better for the pre-HD stuff like Saturn, Nes, SNES.. etc..
I would love to get rid of my large CRT but NES & Saturn look crappy in comparison on the modern sets. Thats just my opinion, the last time I hooked up my saturn to a lcd hd tv it looked less than stellar. Saturn through RGB to a large CRT tv is just pure awesome.




thanks for the responses everyone. Is a regular CRT better than the ones that have a flat screen?
They are pretty much the same.. the flat CRTs look a little nicer

[RP2A03]

Yeah, CRTs are just not good for modern gaming.

*cough*xbr960*cough*

[danny_galaga]

For me, Dreamcast onwards looks fine. Most of my older ones work fine on LED, but really don;t look the part...

[Tanooki]

My point was just that not ever LG would fall into a poor rating on that site, not that the company on the whole sucks or not. The point was the displaylag.com place is where to go and see what rates best for someones needs/budget to get good quality play out of it.

As far as pre-HD, it again depends on the TV, problem is displaylag.com won't mention it, just the lag.

That processing unit in each TV also handles the 2D signal from those old games uniquely as much as the lag of things which sucks. Going back to that same big Samsung vs my old Viera/32" Samsung I have now. The big screen if you threw a N64 game at it (which illustrates it best) say like Ogre Battle 64 it's ugly as hell. All the sprites end up soft, splotchy, almost like you have a bad glasses prescription where you just can't focus (and this is on top of the awful display lag.) It also would not come near filling the screen with the game. So you have this blur, not even a wannabe CRT softness, just bad eye sight blur and lag and it was like that too on older non-3D systems but it's more jarring on the N64 since it's a polygon pusher. Yet if you threw the same system/cartridge at the smaller 2 TVs which process differently both of them still on the aspect ratio nearly fill the screen and the 2D and 2D on 3D(Ogre Battle, edge visuals in mario 64, etc) are sharp and crisp like if you're using Project64/Mugen64 on your computer screen and the only softness is the intended AA feature of the hardware.

Personally I've become too used to not using CRTs that outside of an arcade machine I can't stand them anymore. They're blurry, fuzzy, and especially on a TV (not just dedicated to gaming like a wells and gardner arcade monitor) it just doesn't feel right along with that usual annoying ghosting/side bleed CRTs tend to do with RF and A/V cables. The Neo Geo cab I have, it has a nice set of 6 tuning plastic wheel pots in there I've got it nice and sharp which surprised me but it's dedicated so it figures.

[eskobar]

I needsome advice/ What games are decent on LED? I have a CRT but im changing my game setup. I have from NES to current

If you are picky about image quality, then the problem is not only lag but the scaling and signal processing is a bigger issue. CRTs display images beautifully because the CRT is not a fixed resolution screen, that's why CRTs have scanlines, that are part of the classic gaming experience.

Usually a LCD TV scales the images as a square pixel and usually modifies the image ratio too. If you aren't picky about image quality, try to purchase a mid of hi range Samsung, Panasonic or Sony LCD TV and check that it has a GAME MODE. After that you can try to balance the image on your TV's settings menu because the factory set up has a very high contrast/color mode that is not very accurate.

Personally I prefer to play on a 14" Sony PVM CRT with the screen in front of me. When I have the chance to play on the big TV of my living room I use an XRGB Mini-Framemeister to play on my LCD TV, works great for home consoles and with scanlines on its a really nice picture.

Enjoy.

[Gentlegamer]

Vintage systems? None.

The RetroZone AVS to play NES carts looks great over HDMI.