Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill to Finally Get Physical Release

[mrmark0673]

Hey all,

Haven't posted here in a while but still lurk almost daily. A couple of close personal friends of mine have been working hard to get the unreleased SNES game Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill released to the general public, and after several years of hard work, the kickstarter is live:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/481884736/socks-the-cat-the-video-game-based-on-the-clintons

If you have any interest in the game, I feel as though the pricing is pretty fair. I'm not directly involved in the release, so I'm unsure of what questions I'll be able to answer, but feel free to ask anything here and I'll do my best!

[Koa Zo]

Socks the Cat, the most anticipated unreleased game of all-time to reality
It's never good to open a kickstarter campaign with a line of bullshit.

edit: oh, was just skimming..

Socks the Cat is the most anticipated unreleased video game of all-time. Ever. For any platform. Don't believe me? Grab some popcorn and "Google" it.
I guess this was supposed to be a joke? I googled and don't get it.
These kickstarters have become tiresome.

[Zap!]

Awesome! Probably the most famous Presidential pet of all-time.

[mrmark0673]

It's never good to open a kickstarter campaign with a line of bullshit.

Eh, what the hell, I'll bite.

Aside from games that have been leaked (California Raisins, Earthbound NES, Starfox 2, Bio Force Ape, etc.), what, in your opinion, is more wanted/hyped/talked about over the years than Socks?

Yes, the "google it" was definitely tongue in cheek, but it's accurate in that it's one of the most talked about unreleased games of all time.

Again, I am not formally involved in the project, and I did not create the kickstarter, but I'm a huge supporter of the guys involved and think they've done (and will do) a great job with the release.

[Guntz]

It's never good to open a kickstarter campaign with a line of bullshit.

edit: oh, was just skimming..

I guess this was supposed to be a joke? I googled and don't get it.
These kickstarters have become tiresome.

Just more NintendoAge and YouTube shenanigans. They may as well put the NintendoAge logo on the kickstarter page somewhere.

[Tanooki]

Fair enough but still it was in huge demand for a time awhile back. An NA member if I recall had it or ended up with it and kept it under lock n key. I think after some snark and fluff it was eventually sold to another party for a good bit I thinkwith the intent of release. From there I recall nothing. Seems a campaign would make sense if the former owner hit them for every penny possible. Given the likely case of Clinton returning to office it is amusingly timed.

[Zap!]

I'm no lawyer, but back in '93 when it was supposed to come out, shouldn't the company have had to get the rights from the Clinton family (obviously, they didn't even try)? Or are pets protected by the public domain?

[Tanooki]

I think it was a public domain thing and as it wasn't a true representation of the animal it would fall under coverages like parodies do.

[Greg2600]

Couple things. What's with the Nintendo Age hate? The guys who run it, including mrmark, have generously dumped MANY unreleased roms for free. No one site has done as much in the last decade. So back off!

Second, the Socks prototype was an expensive purchase, and this was never going to be a cheap release. Plus they went ahead and secured licenses. I'm likely in for the digital copy.

[SparTonberry]

You HAVE to take a line like "most anticipated unreleased game of all time" with a LITTLE humor.

Though it is true that the unusual subject matter at least makes it a little more curious than a handful of unreleased SNES games based on random TV/movie/comic/etc. licenses probably nobody remembers like Thunder In Paradise, Green Hornet, etc.
(okay, maybe Radio Flyer, if only to see how the hell Ocean could possibly make a game out of, from what I've heard of the few people who had seen or heard of the movie, was about like child abuse or stuff that had no business being in a video game, let alone one on an early '90s Nintendo console)

[Mayhem]

Fair enough but still it was in huge demand for a time awhile back. An NA member if I recall had it or ended up with it and kept it under lock n key. I think after some snark and fluff it was eventually sold to another party for a good bit I thinkwith the intent of release. From there I recall nothing. Seems a campaign would make sense if the former owner hit them for every penny possible. Given the likely case of Clinton returning to office it is amusingly timed.
It was BuyAtari who originally owned it iirc. So wouldn't have gone cheap. I suspect part of the reason for selling it was the constant persistence to release it. At least it's been fully formed up into a working release now.

[Tanooki]

It wasn't NA hate, just said that's who I recalled but not who it was who had it last, a member there and I do recall it being brought up a lot and repeatedly being told NO to selling it or if they eventually would it would be a price that was very high for whatever the reason. Nothing more or less, but if someone wants to get into NA hate it's a fair subject considering all things outside of the generosity of a few members there but it is best left in another thread.

And mayham I figure as much the same, he was consistently badgered about it when I was posting there and it went from like I said no to ...it will if I do it, go for a lot of money to dissuade most people from asking. No difference to me, his (former) toys can do whatever he wants with it. As I said it's amusing given the timing and us likely seeing her in office in another couple months.

[Doonzmore]

It was BuyAtari who originally owned it iirc.

I thought DreamTR was the original owner who sold it MinusWorlds. Did Jason acquire it from BuyAtari?


(okay, maybe Radio Flyer, if only to see how the hell Ocean could possibly make a game out of, from what I've heard of the few people who had seen or heard of the movie, was about like child abuse or stuff that had no business being in a video game, let alone one on an early '90s Nintendo console)

Not going to lie, of all the unreleased Snes games, Radio Flyer is one of the most intriguing to me for the very reasons you listed.

[Gameguy]

Aside from games that have been leaked (California Raisins, Earthbound NES, Starfox 2, Bio Force Ape, etc.), what, in your opinion, is more wanted/hyped/talked about over the years than Socks?
Why ignore games that have already been leaked? It said of "all-time", not of those games currently still unreleased. Personally the hype of Hellraiser for NES is more interesting to me, though the game supposedly hadn't got far enough into development to be playable so there's likely no working prototype to be found in the future. The special hardware for the game was supposedly finished though, something that would have actually used the expansion port in the NES console.


(okay, maybe Radio Flyer, if only to see how the hell Ocean could possibly make a game out of, from what I've heard of the few people who had seen or heard of the movie, was about like child abuse or stuff that had no business being in a video game, let alone one on an early '90s Nintendo console)
I'm pretty sure I saw this movie at some point back when I was a kid, or at least part of it. This would have been just on TV. While there was child abuse in the movie, the kids dealt with it by focusing on fantasy and having adventures. If the game focused on the adventures part, I could see it working. It's sort of like Pan's Labyrinth if you ignored all the war stuff. Nobody focuses on the Goonies when Chunk's hand was being forced into a blender, imagine putting that into one of the games.

[Bratwurst]

Aside from games that have been leaked (California Raisins, Earthbound NES, Starfox 2, Bio Force Ape, etc.), what, in your opinion, is more wanted/hyped/talked about over the years than Socks?

Perhaps only because Socks is considered one of the last holdouts of notorious unreleased games... some of it in part built up by the previous owner(s) teasing it over those years to maximize what they could unload it for. Cooler heads knew in advance the game isn't the second coming of the messiah by any stretch.

And compared to all of the titles prefacing it above, Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill is stale breadcrumbs. It's cool that it's finally getting a release but I'm more interested in the untampered prototype's contents from a historical/archivist perspective. It's nice the fellows behind the kickstarter wanted to polish it into a reasonably playable product. A discerning look at the pedigree of games Realtime Associates put out around that time says more than enough.



Couple things. What's with the Nintendo Age hate? The guys who run it, including mrmark, have generously dumped MANY unreleased roms for free. No one site has done as much in the last decade. So back off!

Lost Levels, easily. They're not even that active anymore but they were hot post 2005. To say the least of the MAME dev community, nesdev community, SMSPower.org, and shitton of discovery / development both hardware and software at Atari Age. ShouTime. Byuu's deconstruction of the SNES architecture by xray dissection?? drx has unloaded tons of prototypes on his own dime.

[mrmark0673]

Why ignore games that have already been leaked? It said of "all-time", not of those games currently still unreleased.

It's not to ignore games that have been released to the public, but in terms of "anticipation", it's hard to anticipate things that have already occurred. I guess it's worded in such a way that some could take issue with it, but it's not the intention.

As far as games with known prototypes in a complete/near complete state that have yet to reach the public, it's tough to beat the hype behind Socks the Cat. It's 100% subjective, so people could absolutely disagree, but many people have been waiting to see this get released for a long time. Tom and Adam have spent a lot of time and money to help this one move from anticipated to enjoyed!

Brat: The game is a fun little platformer with some quirky political satire. With the current political atmosphere in this country, a lot of people will get a kick out of this. Not the second coming, but legitimately fun to play. Give it a shot, you'd be surprised.

Not looking to defend myself or compare my contributions to others, but I feel as though I've done my fair share. Getting more games released to the public is NEVER a bad thing, and this is one more to add to the list.

Over 1/3 of the way funded in less than a week! Thanks for all the support guys, very excited to see this get out to the masses!

[Mayhem]

I thought DreamTR was the original owner who sold it MinusWorlds. Did Jason acquire it from BuyAtari?
No, you're right, I sometimes get the two of them mixed up with what they own. It was DreamTR who owned it previously.

[Greg2600]

Yes DreamTR had it, but he allowed a friend to video tape them playing the game, really as a goof. He was then lambasted for "trolling the community" which of course was not the intent. I personally don't pay much attention to 32-bit and up unreleased prototypes, because they often are found woefully incomplete. But the older stuff is usually close to finished. Some others of interest for me would be the Genesis Indiana Jones Greatest proto, Masters of the Universe for Colecovision, both kind of shelved for release for fear of IP infringement.

[Niku-Sama]

I kinda of want this game but I don't want to do it through kickstarter.

getting soooo tired of kickstarter.

[FABombjoy]

But I love Kickstarter! I've shoveled in close to $1000 in the last 3 years and have received exactly one single bare cart NES homebrew. I love the whole idea! What a country!

[BlastProcessing402]

I don't know about anyone else, but I really don't want a physical copy of a game about a pussy that Bill Clinton had his hands all over.

[Tanooki]

If you get one up from picking up a blue dress lying around that could be seen as a deal maker.

[JSoup]

I'll wait for the ROM to be dumped online. Doesn't seem like something to really take note of beyond that.

[theclaw]

An agonizing history of secretive teasing fleeting glimpses of a game every few years is bound to produce notoriety.
One can only wonder how much more of the carrot on a stick mentality surrounding Conker, Dinosaur Planet, or the like we'll have to live with before their owners get tired of it. (assuming there is a proven private owner)

[Tanooki]

In the end it seems to always come down to one line.

Earlier this year epic rap battles of history did a 5 way battle between various names. 4 of the 5 would have a line direct or not in there taking a shot at the 5th. But the 5th who was Michael Bey his response rap lines all center around one thing. "It's all about the mother fuckin money!" and that is the same with these protos. Someone finds it, then here and there cock teases over it saying they wont sell, but they will, it is all about teasing and making up some pumped up hype value until some rich chump or campaign of chumps can pop up 4 to 5 figures on some board with code on it.

[MinusWorlds]

In the end it seems to always come down to one line.

Earlier this year epic rap battles of history did a 5 way battle between various names. 4 of the 5 would have a line direct or not in there taking a shot at the 5th. But the 5th who was Michael Bey his response rap lines all center around one thing. "It's all about the mother fuckin money!" and that is the same with these protos. Someone finds it, then here and there cock teases over it saying they wont sell, but they will, it is all about teasing and making up some pumped up hype value until some rich chump or campaign of chumps can pop up 4 to 5 figures on some board with code on it.
I have to say I'm really surprised to hear this from you Tanooki. You and I go a ways back. Without going into things I've done in the past to help you and vice/versa, I do want to say it's never been about the money for me with this release. You of all people should know that.

After all the legal, KS, Trademark, acquisition, artist, programmer and manufacturing costs the goal represents my break even. It was always about getting this game into peoples hands and doing it in a way that I could be proud of. Putting a very high quality product out there. All the costs above I've paid for out of my own pocket. Very sad to see you lump me in with others who don't have that outlook or approach.

[Tanooki]

Look I did not even know it was you running it. I am just responding to the thread. My access to a computer is gone at the moment as my HDD took a shit 2 nights ago so Im on a tablet using a micro keyboard so I dont go insane tapping the glass. That comment was one at large watching the general behavior of the group on the whole, not about you, sorry for that.

Weve been cool hope we still are. We have not talked in a long time, stuff has changed. I got over feeding the beast and have been letting stuff fly keeping more of a minimum and reinvesting it back into stuff that doesnt get my blood boiling which anyone here who reads my stuff knows. My knowledge of socks goes back to the annoying way it was being dangled like some carrot over on NA when I was there by the usual proto hoarding trolls. I know you handle stuff differently, uniquely really. Others will say theyre not into it for the cash, then maybe release the ROM after doing a limited numbered run for a nice tidy profit, and others will do like that Japanese guy does and just buy and bury things which helps no one either.

[MinusWorlds]

Look I did not even know it was you running it. I am just responding to the thread. My access to a computer is gone at the moment as my HDD took a shit 2 nights ago so Im on a tablet using a micro keyboard so I dont go insane tapping the glass. That comment was one at large watching the general behavior of the group on the whole, not about you, sorry for that.

Weve been cool hope we still are. We have not talked in a long time, stuff has changed. I got over feeding the beast and have been letting stuff fly keeping more of a minimum and reinvesting it back into stuff that doesnt get my blood boiling which anyone here who reads my stuff knows. My knowledge of socks goes back to the annoying way it was being dangled like some carrot over on NA when I was there by the usual proto hoarding trolls. I know you handle stuff differently, uniquely really. Others will say theyre not into it for the cash, then maybe release the ROM after doing a limited numbered run for a nice tidy profit, and others will do like that Japanese guy does and just buy and bury things which helps no one either.

Glad to hear. Yeah we're cool. No worries. Thanks for clearing that up. Kind of in the same thoughts as you. Paired down the collection big time. Now all my pieces are just things I enjoy. I like it much better this way. While this project with Socks is fun, it's draining. All my free time goes to it. A LOT of hate out there and I'm not even sure why. I'm just trying to get a game out there. One that I think people will really enjoy.

Good to hear from you!

[Tanooki]

Well as Im sure you saw in the last couple of year once or twice NA has pointed out I was selling off some high ball stuff to buy other things not part of this mess so much with a pinball machine, and then just this past May I got a Neo Geo arcade cab with 10 carts too. Im getting away from what bugs me and into what doesnt with that, handhelds, g1 transformers and other stuff.

Anyway got to ask as I really am curious, if you have to message me about it with the answer, I just have to know did you ever track down the IP holder of this? I know the old developer ate it and it fell back to a developer individual not the dead company. Just curious if you cleared an ok with this guy to legitimately do all this work. It seems like a lot of effort for an old game with a story and a stigma around it and too much press can be a bad thing if you dont actually own the rights to the code, just the board itself and the code so happens to just sit on it by chance.

[Sheriff_of_Nottingham]

I have to say I'm really surprised to hear this from you Tanooki. You and I go a ways back. Without going into things I've done in the past to help you and vice/versa, I do want to say it's never been about the money for me with this release. You of all people should know that.

After all the legal, KS, Trademark, acquisition, artist, programmer and manufacturing costs the goal represents my break even. It was always about getting this game into peoples hands and doing it in a way that I could be proud of. Putting a very high quality product out there. All the costs above I've paid for out of my own pocket. Very sad to see you lump me in with others who don't have that outlook or approach.

This is incredible bullshit. What happened is you bought Socks so you can further rip off the rich idiot who bought the Zelda proto off of you for $55k, but, when he realized he was being taken by you and many prominent members of the NA community, vanished before you could complete the sale. Now, left with a cart that you violently overpaid for, you came up with this plan to make a profit anyway. It is totally 100% about your wallet and nothing more.

I am happy to see the Kickstarter is going to fail. You definitely do not deserve this money and the game is still a shitty Kaneko title, regardless of whatever code cleanup was performed.

[Guy Bramsworth]

This is incredible bullshit. What happened is you bought Socks so you can further rip off the rich idiot who bought the Zelda proto off of you for $55k, but, when he realized he was being taken by you and many prominent members of the NA community, vanished before you could complete the sale. Now, left with a cart that you violently overpaid for, you came up with this plan to make a profit anyway. It is totally 100% about your wallet and nothing more.

I am happy to see the Kickstarter is going to fail. You definitely do not deserve this money and the game is still a shitty Kaneko title, regardless of whatever code cleanup was performed.

Considering he bought the IP itself, and that stuff isn't cheap, and then you add in manufacturing costs and lots else, I think the price makes sense. I think he broke it down in a post on NA, not sure. But releasing something like this surely takes a lot of time. It sounds like you think the whole campaign is out of spite. I don't get where this comes from.

With places like Piko Interactive and Super Fighter Team also finding unreleased works and licensing them so they can finally be released, I don't see Socks as any worse. If this is becoming a norm, then it's all good for the most part with me.

I can't tell if sometimes the misplaced suspicion and anger towards things like this are just upset it isn't getting released for free or if it's a personal grudge against NA, MinusWorlds, or what. But everything always has haters, I just hope no one actually on the Socks team caves in!

BTW MinusWorlds, you have the rights to the Socks IP, is that correct? So you could even make Socks plushies that would be sold at novelty stores now, couldn't you? LOL

[Graham Mitchell]

I love it when the NA drama makes its way over here.

[celerystalker]

I love it when the NA drama makes its way over here.

:popcorn:

[Sheriff_of_Nottingham]

I don't get where this comes from.

Did you miss the part about PRICE GOUGING SOMEONE FOR A $30,000 PROFIT? (That being the $55k he sold the Zelda proto for when he bought it for $25k from DreamTR) With that kind of mentality, you have to be turning a blind eye to at least not question his cost breakdown and his intentions.


BTW MinusWorlds, you have the rights to the Socks IP, is that correct? So you could even make Socks plushies that would be sold at novelty stores now, couldn't you? LOL

He has the rights to Socks itself but the rights to the game itself is hazy. If the contract between Realtime Associates and Kaneko still exists, it's basically unenforceable from the Kaneko side.

[Greg2600]

I love it when someone is brave enough to dig up a handle created 5 years ago, and inactive for that long, in order to attack someone else.

[Aussie2B]

So much drama over a game that is surely crap. I mean, this is from the same developer responsible for SNES "gems" like Warlock.

[Tanooki]

I'm still curious though if the game entirely is properly owned as Im wondering about that.

Yes you can buy the likeness of Socks and so on, but is the code and IP rightly picked up like the already mentioned Piko does with their releases where he tracks down the original owner, and if they have not the ownership of it anymore whoever it is now to secure it. Sometimes you can own the IP but not the game code so you have to make a new Socks, or you own the code but not Socks, so youll have to put your own animal in there, maybe Obamas dog or something. It has extra layers on this being what it is, its not just you found the sole owner of the game who made up the characters too so it has more complexity.

[Guy Bramsworth]

Did you miss the part about PRICE GOUGING SOMEONE FOR A $30,000 PROFIT? (That being the $55k he sold the Zelda proto for when he bought it for $25k from DreamTR) With that kind of mentality, you have to be turning a blind eye to at least not question his cost breakdown and his intentions.



He has the rights to Socks itself but the rights to the game itself is hazy. If the contract between Realtime Associates and Kaneko still exists, it's basically unenforceable from the Kaneko side.

You mean he spent tons of money on something and then resold it for a profit? X_x Yeah, like you wouldn't do the same. This world is based on money, please cry me a river. If I actually had someone willing to pay that much, by all means I'd let them have it.

All I know is an unreleased game is being released and marks one off the checklist of many others that can't even be found anywhere. Life is already hard enough, if someone else finds someone to buy their thing for x amount of dollars, I'm not going to rain on their parade when I know damn well I'd love that money just as much. If he were doing an illegal activity, that's a different story. But consenting parties making a transaction? Go ahead.

[Tanooki]

Makes me wonder what is on everyones checklist.

Personally I dont have a list as a game or two wouldnt make a list really. I cant think of much that went missing right now Id honestly give more of a wow moment or a thats cool too than one finished project that went into vapor somewhere in Japan back in the 1990s. The completed conversion of the PC game Wing Commander II. Unlike the spotty first one we got, proper conversion, all stages, a talkie too, all cut scenes, and supposedly battery saved thankfully and not a stupid password like WC1s two carts got. Theres info out there, pictures, and more, just no known ROM dump. For all we know that Japanese twat who buys up protos to spite people locking them in a safe overseas has it but at least we'd kind of would know as he likes to point that out like the bitch he is with his purchases being public last I heard.

Maybe someone has a list somewhere, unseen64 or something, but I cant think of any verified finished or damn nearfinished enough to be hacked into completion games that still are missing Id outright play to completion and pay for no less.

[Bratwurst]

Will those involved in producing this run of the game be fronting their money to fill in the remaining funds if the 30k goal isn't reached in time otherwise? That's what I'd do. Cough up 5k, eat 5% or whatever of the Kickstarter fees to basically unlock 25k money, seems like a no-brainer, if obscenely unethical. But then, given the intellectual property in question is gray territory...

[Sheriff_of_Nottingham]

You mean he spent tons of money on something and then resold it for a profit? X_x Yeah, like you wouldn't do the same. This world is based on money, please cry me a river. If I actually had someone willing to pay that much, by all means I'd let them have it.

All I know is an unreleased game is being released and marks one off the checklist of many others that can't even be found anywhere. Life is already hard enough, if someone else finds someone to buy their thing for x amount of dollars, I'm not going to rain on their parade when I know damn well I'd love that money just as much. If he were doing an illegal activity, that's a different story. But consenting parties making a transaction? Go ahead.

Remind me to never deal with you, unless I have the means to pull the wool over your eyes and hustle you for profit, because, as you just said, that's perfectly ok. You can save the "Well then that's my fault" reply. That kind of mentality is easy to front when you're on the outside looking in.

And this is the kind of person left on DP? Christ, no wonder everyone says this place has gone to shit.

[Guntz]

Alright, who's troll account is this?

[mrmark0673]

Funded.

[megasdkirby]

$35 shipping to PR.

Well, that killed off any chances for me.

[theclaw]

What price gouging? Nothing wrong with legitimately succeeding in finding an informed buyer willing to pay $30000 more for the same item.
If there was deception involved, that's a different story.

[dra600n]

$35 shipping to PR.

Well, that killed off any chances for me.

PR should be the same shipping as the US. If it's showing different, we can fix that and I apologize for the mistake.

ETA: apparently shipping options are "USA" and "everywhere else", so we can't change it it seems. If you still want to back it, send me a message and I'll work out the shipping for ya.

[FanofSMBX]

This is really cool. I've heard a lot about this game, so it's going to be great to see all about the gameplay.

[Graham Mitchell]

It just occurred to me that socks is long dead.

[Gameguy]

It just occurred to me that socks is long dead.
Unless he's been reanimated as a cyborg.



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[Graham Mitchell]

Unless he's been reanimated as a cyborg.



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He's a pussy snatcher.
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[FieryReign]

A platformer from Kaneko. Publisher of fine games such as Deadly Moves, DJ Boy, and Chester Cheetah. With a developer of beautiful gems such as Beavis and Butthead, Ahh! Real Monsters, and Barney's Hide and Seek. Sounds like a real masterpiece.

Dudes trying to cash-in on an old unreleased prototype from a shitty developer/publisher? Nah. Nothing like that at all.

[Graham Mitchell]

A platformer from Kaneko. Publisher of fine games such as Deadly Moves, DJ Boy, and Chester Cheetah. With a developer of beautiful gems such as Beavis and Butthead, Ahh! Real Monsters, and Barney's Hide and Seek. Sounds like a real masterpiece.

Dudes trying to cash-in on an old unreleased prototype from a shitty developer/publisher? Nah. Nothing like that at all.

Hey, leave dj boy alone. And air buster is awesome.

Doesn't make this any less of a cash grab, tho.

[Baloo]

This prototype nonsense again...I hate it that every one of these releasers tries to spin it as "we're doing something for the community!!" Every time one of these games is released for $$$. Give me a break. It's an old unreleased SNES game. Not the Holy Grail. The price gouging for prototypes is some unethical BS.

[Tanooki]

Obviously at some level it's unethical. The only way it's not is if you find the current property owner and either buy it, or license it to distribute. Without that, you can claim you bought this on Yahoo JP auctions or ebay, some private dude out of the trunk of his car. Fine and all, but you don't own the code or any rights to modify or sell it as it stands as someone owns it, somewhere, and if not someone some nebulous corporate entity with a pack of sharks for lawyers do.

It's all a game of how far you can go without hopefully getting caught and sued for selling someone else's property as your own. The parts, the box, the manual and any other toys included sure you do, if it's not using some IP locked content, but the game, without a contract or some form of oral/written consent you do not.

That's why I asked what I did earlier as I was curious if the rights were gained on this and I don't remember if I actually got a reply back that answered that or not other than my old friend being shocked I'd talk like that thinking it was a personal swipe.

[TinStarFox]

Being not only a U.S. History major, but someone fascinated with America's past...this release is beyond awesome to me!

I've always been able to look at the USA's politics in a very Mad Magazine-type way[which is also why I collect said mags, from any era]...with neutrality.

As a side-scroller fan[particularly the Mario/Sonic/Bubsy variety],I'm intrigued with how this'll play/be in person!


I remember simply reading about/brainstorming around it at 8-10 years old, now I can finally play in in my early thirties.

If nothing else, it has a unique plot/subject matter.

Was/is the SNES version going to be a straight port, or totally different?

[SparTonberry]

My interest is mostly intrigue from the odd subject matter.
As a game, I'm not setting my standards too high, coming from the same company that made two Chester Cheetah games.

Like I knew the real Bio Force Ape probably wasn't going to live up to the DP hoax version, but I had to see the end result anyways.