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Retronick
06-22-2017, 10:24 AM
Hey there! I know there are a zillion and a half of these out there already, but I just started getting my feet wet with Twitch streaming and thought it would be of particular interest to this community since I'm streaming original software through original hardware. It isn't quite as clear as just ripping directly from an emulator, but I think there's a genuine quality to the method that more than makes up for that. For anyone acquainted with Twitch already, I'd love to get your feedback, for anyone else who wants to watch me tackle Turbografx-16 games on title at a time before moving on to Saturn and what have you, feel free to tune in too: https://www.twitch.tv/retronicksstream

bb_hood
06-22-2017, 10:31 AM
I breifly checked out your videos and you sound pretty good. I would suggest getting a web cam for broadcasts, alot more fun especially when the viewers can see what you are doing.

you can check out my stream here: https://www.twitch.tv/bb_hood99

Also I would suggest signing up for twitch turbo, or else twitch deletes your videos every 2 weeks.

FoxNtd
06-22-2017, 11:01 AM
Genuine PCE casts aren't common, will have to take a peek some time. :)

Retronick
06-22-2017, 11:15 AM
I breifly checked out your videos and you sound pretty good. I would suggest getting a web cam for broadcasts, alot more fun especially when the viewers can see what you are doing.

you can check out my stream here: https://www.twitch.tv/bb_hood99

Also I would suggest signing up for twitch turbo, or else twitch deletes your videos every 2 weeks.

Thanks for the tips! I figure once I get going for a bit I'll get a decent webcam and hook into this thing. I'm capturing the footage through an old Canopus ADVC-110 which only works with my ancient Mac so I can't run OBS. If I get them both going through Twist Cam I could make it work, but then there's the challenge of getting an "ok" webcam for a 10-year-old box, or finding a new capture solution to jack my TG-16 and other consoles into.

Good call on Twitch Turbo. I'm recording everything locally here, but it would make more sense to have that stuff on the channel too.

Retronick
06-22-2017, 11:16 AM
Genuine PCE casts aren't common, will have to take a peek some time. :)

Awesome sauce :). I just did a "speedrun" of Fantasy Zone. I put it in quotes because I boned up my first attempt and the end boss was anything but "speedy".

Niku-Sama
06-22-2017, 07:18 PM
I'm currently purging my old computer hardware, if i come across an old TV tuner card I'll let you know. It's all PC no Mac stuff

Retronick
06-23-2017, 09:25 AM
I'm currently purging my old computer hardware, if i come across an old TV tuner card I'll let you know. It's all PC no Mac stuff

The newest PC I've got lying around here is from '06 and is still running XP XD. Everything else is Mac. Much appreciated regardless though.

Retronick
06-23-2017, 09:31 AM
Once I beat Bomberman '93 I'm trying to decide which TG-16 games I want to stream next. Here's a brief list from my collection.

Splatterhouse
Bonk series (1, 2, and 3 'chip')
Soldier Blade
Somer Assault
Air Zonk
The Legendary Axe
Keith Courage in Alpha Zones (Because why not?)
CyberCore
JJ & Jeff (Or Kato and Ken)
Exile
Vigilante

I can also pull out some garbage like Tricky Kick or Boxy Boy. There are a lot more on the shelf, but that's all I can think of at the moment. I already streamed the Crush pinball games, Fantasy Zone, and Blazing Lazers, but the audio was also out of sync.

Anyway, looking forward to thoughts. If you want something that's not on the list shout it out and I can see if I've got it.

celerystalker
06-23-2017, 10:35 AM
Somer Assault. Not enough people know that weird-ass game, and Turbo/Atlus fans alike can find something to like. The time limits suck, though.

Keith Courage deserves love as well. I feel it gets a lot of unwarranted hate despite being a very fun platformer.

All those games are good, though. Legendary Axe is good and has a cool soundtrack.

I just wish my phone didn't hate twitch. I haven't been able to get it working correctly trying to watch bb-hood's stuff.

Retronick
06-23-2017, 10:57 AM
Somer Assault. Not enough people know that weird-ass game, and Turbo/Atlus fans alike can find something to like. The time limits suck, though.

Keith Courage deserves love as well. I feel it gets a lot of unwarranted hate despite being a very fun platformer.

All those games are good, though. Legendary Axe is good and has a cool soundtrack.

I just wish my phone didn't hate twitch. I haven't been able to get it working correctly trying to watch bb-hood's stuff.

Thanks for the input. I think subjecting folks to Somer Assault is a great idea too. Keith Courage could also be a lot of fun because it DOES take a lot of unwarranted shit ;P.

Retronick
06-23-2017, 10:59 AM
I breifly checked out your videos and you sound pretty good. I would suggest getting a web cam for broadcasts, alot more fun especially when the viewers can see what you are doing.

you can check out my stream here: https://www.twitch.tv/bb_hood99

Also I would suggest signing up for twitch turbo, or else twitch deletes your videos every 2 weeks.

What are you using to capture from your hardware? The picture looks great.

bb_hood
06-23-2017, 11:10 AM
What are you using to capture from your hardware? The picture looks great.

So far Ive just been using emulators, then opening them in OBS. So I havent been using a capture card.
Once I get my new computer setup I will be streaming PS4 using a elgato hd60.
Elgato has a capture card more for retro gaming (Game Capture HD) and there is a Retro Gaming Adapter (composite & S-video input to the card) for sale on the elgato website. I plan to get one of these Game Capture HD at some point. There is a compatibility list which shows the systems that the card supports, but turbo grafx isnt mentioned. I dont know if this is an oversight or not: https://help.elgato.com/customer/portal/articles/1020266-game-consoles-that-elgato-game-capture-hd-supports

Retronick
06-23-2017, 12:13 PM
So far Ive just been using emulators, then opening them in OBS. So I havent been using a capture card.
Once I get my new computer setup I will be streaming PS4 using a elgato hd60.
Elgato has a capture card more for retro gaming (Game Capture HD) and there is a Retro Gaming Adapter (composite & S-video input to the card) for sale on the elgato website. I plan to get one of these Game Capture HD at some point. There is a compatibility list which shows the systems that the card supports, but turbo grafx isnt mentioned. I dont know if this is an oversight or not: https://help.elgato.com/customer/portal/articles/1020266-game-consoles-that-elgato-game-capture-hd-supports

I saw that sucker. The "retro adapter" is basically an RCA input so it could definitely work for the Turbo CD or Booster enabled TG-16. I was considering that one but I really like playing on a tube and it only has HDMI output. That said, it would be nice to be able to stream over OBS and not have to mess around with my old Mac Pro. Curse my old Canopus box!

FoxNtd
06-23-2017, 04:50 PM
If we're talking about capture devices, I got one thing to contribute towards that. If you're doing retro and don't give a damn about HD, check out the infamous dazzle device. I got mine for ten bucks on ebay and it supports composite and s-video inputs. Native driver support in Linux and I think the quality is good enough. Any capture device that supports HD is magically over $100, I have no idea why. I don't truly believe this hardware is inherently that expensive. People keep buying this shit sure enough so that price won't drop for a while I gather.

So having hardware to grab your analogue signal from a game console is the easy part. The trick is solving the wiring situation so you can have output go to both the device and your TV. :)

Retronick
06-23-2017, 04:57 PM
If we're talking about capture devices, I got one thing to contribute towards that. If you're doing retro and don't give a damn about HD, check out the infamous dazzle device. I got mine for ten bucks on ebay and it supports composite and s-video inputs. Native driver support in Linux and I think the quality is good enough. Any capture device that supports HD is magically over $100, I have no idea why. I don't truly believe this hardware is inherently that expensive. People keep buying this shit sure enough so that price won't drop for a while I gather.

So having hardware to grab your analogue signal from a game console is the easy part. The trick is solving the wiring situation so you can have output go to both the device and your TV. :)

I was just going to ask about that. Right now I'm capturing SD through a Canopus ADVC-110, which still fetches a cool $200 on ebay (I inherited mine). It's great because it has an input for RCA and S-Video but then it also has an output for those same things. That said, the Digital I/O is through Firewire 400, which my MacPro is woefully lacking. Connecting through a Firewire 400-800 cable didn't work either, nor did buying an AC adapter to offer auxiliary power.

I would try the Dazzle, but I'd like to know if and how it can be hooked up to a TV simultaneously to avoid death by lag.

FoxNtd
06-23-2017, 11:03 PM
I was just going to ask about that. Right now I'm capturing SD through a Canopus ADVC-110, which still fetches a cool $200 on ebay (I inherited mine). It's great because it has an input for RCA and S-Video but then it also has an output for those same things. That said, the Digital I/O is through Firewire 400, which my MacPro is woefully lacking. Connecting through a Firewire 400-800 cable didn't work either, nor did buying an AC adapter to offer auxiliary power.

I would try the Dazzle, but I'd like to know if and how it can be hooked up to a TV simultaneously to avoid death by lag.

Firewire was an interesting idea but it died. More likely than not, by blind guess, Apple somehow fucked it up. We're not here for that though.

You don't connect a Dazzle to the TV. It goes straight to your computer. You'll need a way to split your output to feed both capture and TV. Some people use VCRs which works nicely for that purpose. In some cases the TV has an A/V out connection which you could use to send a copy of the signal to the capture. An A/V switchbox might provide 2 outputs but if it's not amplified, you'll have serious degredation and the picture will be dark (I've tried it once with a non-powered switchbox just to see first-hand how it works out. They shouldn't bother building those fucking things with multiple outputs if it's not amplified!!)

Retronick
06-24-2017, 01:26 PM
Firewire was an interesting idea but it died. More likely than not, by blind guess, Apple somehow fucked it up. We're not here for that though.

You don't connect a Dazzle to the TV. It goes straight to your computer. You'll need a way to split your output to feed both capture and TV. Some people use VCRs which works nicely for that purpose. In some cases the TV has an A/V out connection which you could use to send a copy of the signal to the capture. An A/V switchbox might provide 2 outputs but if it's not amplified, you'll have serious degredation and the picture will be dark (I've tried it once with a non-powered switchbox just to see first-hand how it works out. They shouldn't bother building those fucking things with multiple outputs if it's not amplified!!)

Thanks for the tips on Dazzle.

Firewire used to be the standard for pro video capture, and then firewire 800, but that is a bygone era. I think the best way to split it up is with a VCR or DVD player with AV in and out. I've got an old Samsung recorder here that would do the trick.

Anyway, thanks again! I'll try out the Dazzle and hopefully get off my old box and be able to use OBS.

FoxNtd
06-25-2017, 12:38 AM
Anyway, thanks again! I'll try out the Dazzle and hopefully get off my old box and be able to use OBS.

You got it. And make sure everything is sane for Dazzle's Mac support since that's your platform. :)

Retronick
06-26-2017, 02:08 PM
You got it. And make sure everything is sane for Dazzle's Mac support since that's your platform. :)

Definitely. I'm pretty sure it's compatible, but the devil's in the details, right?

Niku-Sama
06-28-2017, 01:25 AM
You could get 3 Y splitters for RCA and split it right before your dazzler run one set to the TV and the other to the dazzler.

Sorry dazzler is in my phone's dictionary but the actual name is not

bb_hood
06-28-2017, 01:07 PM
If you can get a capture card that works for you for under 50$, then thats all well and good. Most of the time with this type of thing, when you go cheap you end up with something that performs poorly or doesnt work at all.

Ive been streaming Super Mario Maker on my Wii U with the Elgato HD60 that I bought, and it works really well and looks great. No lag and broadcast in 60fps. I got that used for 90$, very much worth it.
I plan to buy the el gato game capture HD card to stream retro games. The game capture HD is only like 50-80 used. The adapter cable is like 20$ from the elgato website.

I can understand if you might want to stream while playing on your CRT monitor, but if you are serious about streaming I would just use a monitor with hdmi.