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gbpxl
12-08-2018, 06:56 PM
I'm not up to speed on the new stuff but I have a few predictions and maybe some of you can tell me if I am right or wrong.

What will be valuable:
-unopened first print Amiibos
-limited edition games
-Limited Run games
- Switch games
Can't think of much else

What won't be valuable:
- Xbox One games
- Many PS4 games
-any online only game
- the cash grab "mini" consoles they're making
- all the clone consoles except maybe the AVS

Are these games still going to be playable in the future? What if 20 years from now, you're required to update the games to play them, but the servers are long gone that you'd normally connect to for Xbox one and PS4? They will become conversation pieces, nothing more

I see most of what is being made today as being obsolete in 10 years. We can still play Atari 2600 carts because they were so accessible but the same can't be said for new games

kupomogli
12-09-2018, 04:35 PM
What does value have to do with being collectible? I understand that some people want expensive games, but most people collect games because well... they like the hobby, not because x game is so expensive. The only games that aren't and won't be playable on the PS4 are the online only games, Switch has those too, and what Switch also has is games like Mega Man Legacy Collection, X Legacy Collection, and many others where only one half of the game is ion the cart and the rest has to be downloaded as an update file. In terms of actually being able to play the games in the future, I think the PS4 has a lot more going for it than the Switch does in that respect.

When it comes to value, you really have no idea what is going to be valuable. Suikoden 2 was never hard to find cheap before it went out of print. There was more than enough stock and it could be found everyone for $20, look at the game now, one of the most sought and expensive titles of that console. Earthbound was in bins at Walmart, that game isn't cheap anymore either.

You never know, Dragon Quest Heroes, DQH2, DQB, Fire Pro Wrestling, Yakuza 0, Kiwami, Fist of the North Star, and a myriad of other games that are good could become super expensive. It always tends to be games that fly under the radar and then people decide to get them at a future date that the more expensive, while the overhyped games such as your Uncharted', Forza, Halo games, etc are the ones that are really cheap.

Aussie2B
12-09-2018, 06:22 PM
I can't say I remember ever seeing Suikoden 2 on markdown. I remember seeing it at full price and then not at all later on, not even among used games, and I was pretty obsessive in my hunt for cheap PS1 RPGs back then.

I imagine the games from this gen that'll end up valuable will be similar to previous gens. RPGs, shmups, and horror games are a few genres to watch out for. But not just any games in those genres. It's gotta be ones that get relatively small print runs and go under the radar.

Bojay1997
12-10-2018, 01:01 PM
I can't say I remember ever seeing Suikoden 2 on markdown. I remember seeing it at full price and then not at all later on, not even among used games, and I was pretty obsessive in my hunt for cheap PS1 RPGs back then.

I imagine the games from this gen that'll end up valuable will be similar to previous gens. RPGs, shmups, and horror games are a few genres to watch out for. But not just any games in those genres. It's gotta be ones that get relatively small print runs and go under the radar.

Agree with all of this. I recall having Suikoden 2 on my want list from the time it first came out so I would remember to buy it when it saw a price drop. That drop never came and I ended up getting super lucky at some tiny game shop a year or so after release that just happened to have one new copy in their glass case. Of course, I still ended up paying full MSRP.

I think it's pretty unlikely that many of the niche publisher games games from the likes of Limited Run Games and others will appreciate in value. There are just too many people collecting and buying doubles and keeping them sealed for supply to ever really get too strained. Even a lot of the retail niche titles are getting scooped up nowadays by collectors with more disposable income than sense. I think the few titles that appreciate in value will be ones that really flew beneath everyone's radar, but it's harder and harder to slip below notice given how many forums and social media groups there are dedicated to "limited print run" games.

Koa Zo
12-10-2018, 04:39 PM
I think it's pretty unlikely that many of the niche publisher games games from the likes of Limited Run Games and others will appreciate in value. There are just too many people collecting and buying doubles and keeping them sealed for supply to ever really get too strained.
Heck, most of them have eventually come up on eBay cheaper than what it cost to get them upon release. I just got Ace of Seafood for cheaper then it was from LRG.

Edmond Dantes
12-11-2018, 06:12 AM
I'm kind of reminded of the speculator boom in Comic Books here. As people like Linkara have pointed out, the reason really old comics are rare and valuable was because not many copies are floating around anymore. You can't artificially create a valuable comic just by declaring it a limited collector's item... inevitably people are going to buy several copies anticipating it becoming valuable, and then it doesn't... because collectors bought dozens of copies so its nowhere near rare or expensive.

In effect, what the post two posts above me said people are doing with modern games. Stuff from older generations, nobody was seriously collecting and a lot of it wound up disposed of by kids who didn't know better, that's why its rare now, but as adults we expect a niche RPG or whatever to become collectable in 30 years.

There's also what another person said, how so many releases are digital now.

Honestly the only games I think will truly become rare are gonna be weird situations like say Silent Hill P.T. or any other case where downloads/updated versions are impossible to get. I mean, unless everyone just embraces piracy.

Aussie2B
12-11-2018, 08:24 AM
Games released as limited collector's items seem to rise in value about as often as games in general do. A few do, most don't. I've been selling off some of my older PS4 releases from LRG, and a handful have increased to multiple times what I paid for them. But there are far more that I'm more or less breaking even on. But that's the nice thing about limited releases. Even if they don't increase in price, they don't tend to drop in price much either. I don't know if we'll ever see a LRG release worth less than 5 bucks like a copy of Madden or some such. So in that way, limited releases are kind of "safe" investments. That said, video games have never been worthwhile as investments.

gbpxl
12-11-2018, 10:44 AM
I'm gonna start buying up copies of Madden 2016 until no one can find them anymore, then I will slowly sell them off, charging 100x what I paid for them initially 😁

kupomogli
12-11-2018, 11:12 AM
I can't say I remember ever seeing Suikoden 2 on markdown. I remember seeing it at full price and then not at all later on, not even among used games, and I was pretty obsessive in my hunt for cheap PS1 RPGs back then.

I imagine the games from this gen that'll end up valuable will be similar to previous gens. RPGs, shmups, and horror games are a few genres to watch out for. But not just any games in those genres. It's gotta be ones that get relatively small print runs and go under the radar.

I have a good memory on this one because I was visiting and staying with some family members. Here's actually what I posted at LRG in a thread games you regret picking up.


I purchased Suikoden 2 prior to this, but when I was visiting some family, Suikoden 2 was $20 at a Walmart where they lived. It was a huge stack of them, atleast 10+ copies and with my cousin interested in picking up a game, I recommended them pick up Suikoden 2. So atleast they got a copy, but this is one of those Back to the Future moments where you wish you could go back and buy the entire stack of Suikoden 2's or the entire bin of Earthbound that's clearanced out for $20 at pretty much every Walmart. If only we new these games would be so expensive in the future


I remember when I found this game for $20 in a dusty corner of BigW all those years ago. Needless to say I snapped it up and played it to death. It is also one of my all time favs, and pretty much the only reason that I keep a PS2 floating around.

Since obvious it's impossible for me to have purchased Suikoden 2 for $20 new according to Aussie, and obvious Bojay, because well, Bojay will disagree with whatever I say regardless. Decided to look up a previous post I made about the experience in another forum and decided I'd also try and Google another similar experience and look what I found. Confirmation that I wasn't the only one to find the game for cheap, at the same location no less.

http://www.mightyrabbitstudios.com/limitedrunforums/viewtopic.php?t=3318&p=80697

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/09/why-did-nobody-tell-me-theres-a-suikoden-reference-in-diablo-iii/

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The only difference about PS4, Switch, etc, games being less expensive than past generations, are games that are on all consoles. You still do have those rarities that are on multiple consoles plus they're still high priced, Dokapon Kingdom for example, and it was actually not even expensive on PS2 for several years after the fact. But really most games that are on PS4 are likely on the Switch or Xbox One and if they're not, you still never know if the price will increase or not.

What you need to do is buy everything that's exclusive on all of the current gen consoles and then just start hyping them all up as hidden gems. The ones that receive that hype are generally the ones that increase in value as long as they're less main stream.

Aussie2B
12-11-2018, 12:12 PM
Uh, I never said it was impossible for you to have purchased Suikoden 2 for $20. You were the one talking in absolutes, saying " Suikoden 2 was never hard to find cheap before it went out of print." I was merely saying that, depending on one's location, yes, it was hard to find cheap.

I saw and bought dozens of PS1 RPGs on markdown back in the day, and saw and bought tons more from used sections for cheap. Suikoden 2 stands out as one that I never saw in stores except for at the full MSRP. Same with Valkyrie Profile. But for what it's worth, I never so much as stepped foot into a Walmart until well into the 2000s. That chain barely existed around where I was living back around when Suikoden 2 came out. So if Walmart and some Australian chain (Big W) were the only places where it was marked down, that would explain why I never came across a marked down copy. But I did, however, shop for games at GameStop, EB, Software Etc., Toys R Us, Fred Meyer, various independent game stores, etc. and never saw Suikoden 2 marked down or available used.

Bojay1997
12-11-2018, 04:05 PM
Uh, I never said it was impossible for you to have purchased Suikoden 2 for $20. You were the one talking in absolutes, saying " Suikoden 2 was never hard to find cheap before it went out of print." I was merely saying that, depending on one's location, yes, it was hard to find cheap.

I saw and bought dozens of PS1 RPGs on markdown back in the day, and saw and bought tons more from used sections for cheap. Suikoden 2 stands out as one that I never saw in stores except for at the full MSRP. Same with Valkyrie Profile. But for what it's worth, I never so much as stepped foot into a Walmart until well into the 2000s. That chain barely existed around where I was living back around when Suikoden 2 came out. So if Walmart and some Australian chain (Big W) were the only places where it was marked down, that would explain why I never came across a marked down copy. But I did, however, shop for games at GameStop, EB, Software Etc., Toys R Us, Fred Meyer, various independent game stores, etc. and never saw Suikoden 2 marked down or available used.


Agree. Walmart clearance also tends to be highly YMMV. I remember when the Saturn was being phased out seeing stacks of more obscure games at one Walmart location still at full price years later while the location closest to my house at the time dropped almost everything below $10 and sold out their stock quickly. It's not impossible that anyone bought any now hard to find and valuable game for cheap back in the day. I know I still have a couple of cartons of Earthbound from when they were cleared out at the local Best Buy for $5. That's different than a universal clearance that everyone had the opportunity to buy and just didn't for whatever reason.

Kid Fenris
12-11-2018, 08:36 PM
As much as I hate to support kupomogli, I do remember buying Suikoden II for thirty bucks at a Wal-Mart in southwest Ohio in the summer of 2000. Six months later, I saw a few copies for twenty apiece at Circuit City. I also remember some posts here about greasy resellers in other parts of the country grabbing all the $20 copies they could, so maybe that's why other people didn't see the game so cheap.

And this isn't the first time this topic has been discussed. Scroll down through this delightful thread for a post from someone who got a $20 Suikoden II and someone else who never saw it discounted.

https://forum.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?33225-Any-adults-here-or-just-children-!!

kupomogli
12-11-2018, 10:35 PM
I know I still have a couple of cartons of Earthbound from when they were cleared out at the local Best Buy for $5. That's different than a universal clearance that everyone had the opportunity to buy and just didn't for whatever reason.

Earthbound was on clearance everywhere... and people just didn't buy it.

Bojay1997
12-11-2018, 11:20 PM
Earthbound was on clearance everywhere... and people just didn't buy it.

I will agree with you that Earthbound was widely clearanced. It also sounds like others had a similar experience to yours in finding Suikoden 2 on clearance. Not sure what that really has to do with the topic though other than just reinforcing that there is no real way to predict.

Gameguy
12-12-2018, 10:07 AM
The bigger question would be asking if video games will still be widely collectible in the future or will people just move onto something else. Video games could become the same like beanie babies.

kupomogli
12-12-2018, 10:20 AM
I will agree with you that Earthbound was widely clearanced. It also sounds like others had a similar experience to yours in finding Suikoden 2 on clearance. Not sure what that really has to do with the topic though other than just reinforcing that there is no real way to predict.

Well that was really the point, that there can be games on the current gen consoles that are expensive. Although we're likely not going to know that until 10 years or so atleast. There's not nearly as many exclusives the past two gens though, so there's likely not going to be as many games that are expensive or hard to get. I think if people are looking for games that will be higher priced in the future, they should look at 3DS games where nearly everything released is exclusive.

Aussie2B
12-12-2018, 10:40 AM
Exclusivity plays no role in rarity, and I don't think it plays a huge role in value either. Anybody who wants to play Stadium Events can play it in the form of World Class Track Meet. The fact that the game is common and cheap in another form doesn't stop Stadium Events from pulling in massive figures. When valuable games are ported/remade, sometimes the value takes some degree of a hit, but it usually doesn't make a big difference.


The bigger question would be asking if video games will still be widely collectible in the future or will people just move onto something else. Video games could become the same like beanie babies.

While that was a concern immediately following the crash in the US, I think video games have been around for too long to ultimately be a fad. It's a basic form of entertainment now, like movies and TV, and will always have collectors among the fans. Prices will fluctuate as waves of nostalgia come and go, just as prices dropped on pre-crash games, but even past its height of collectibility, there are still people collecting pre-crash games and paying good money for the rarer games.

YoshiM
12-12-2018, 10:46 AM
The bigger question would be asking if video games will still be widely collectible in the future or will people just move onto something else. Video games could become the same like beanie babies.
This. Besides, what fuels value of gamed to prospective buyers? Are younger, "current gen" folks going to be nostalgic for these games ten or twenty years down the road?

As mentioned before, what about digital downloads? Will it be a matter of just downloading the game or will people hoard their devices if it can't be easily downloaded? I can see it now:"iPhone 4S with Orig. Flappy Bird OMGRare!!!!!!!!!"

I'm going to predict that the market for modern games in the future is going to be pretty small. Many of the games that people (ie regular folk, not "gamers" per se) play are play and toss as they are about a buck a pop or free with ignorable micro transactions. I'd be very surprised if there would be a big push for something like the original "Candy Crush" or something along those lines. People will try to cash in on the concept ("Xbox 360 with Afterburner Climax RARE11112!!!Download") but will more than likely fail at getting anything reasonable or at all for such things.

kupomogli
12-12-2018, 12:38 PM
Exclusivity plays no role in rarity, and I don't think it plays a huge role in value either. Anybody who wants to play Stadium Events can play it in the form of World Class Track Meet. The fact that the game is common and cheap in another form doesn't stop Stadium Events from pulling in massive figures. When valuable games are ported/remade, sometimes the value takes some degree of a hit, but it usually doesn't make a big difference.

The original release of a game that's later rereleased is completely different than a game that's released across multiple consoles. People want the original versions of these games. Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles is the only retail version of a game that includes Rondo of Blood in the west but the original version is high priced and not this version of the game that can be played on a US console. Final Fantasy 4 has a PS1 release that's identical to the original Japanese release as well as includes Chrono Trigger, yet the SNES version of Final Fantasy 2 is higher price because "it's the original release in the west" despite that the game itself is an inferior version. It's not inferior in the sense of it being Final Fantasy 4 Easy Type which a lot of people like to say yet they have no idea what they're talking about, as Easy Type was based on the US version and made even easier, but it is still inferior to the original release of which the PS1 version essentially is(and no additional loading like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 5, and Final Fantasy 6.)

Like Smash Bros does for most Nintendo series, these rereleases likely have a positive effect on the oriignal versions of these games, because people enjoy the games and then likely want to get the oriignal versions of said games.

How many third party multi console games for past systems can you think of that are high priced? Games with the same title but are completely different games don't count, as the games themselves are essentially exclusive.

Bojay1997
12-12-2018, 04:01 PM
How many third party multi console games for past systems can you think of that are high priced? Games with the same title but are completely different games don't count, as the games themselves are essentially exclusive.

Actually, on modern consoles, quite a few. For example F1 2009 on the Wii is valuable despite the fact that the same game can be had on at least three other consoles in superior versions at 10% of the price. Similarly, there are a lot of third party games on PSP that were ports of games on other platforms that are significantly more valuable than the original versions. Heck, it's happening right now with the LRG stuff. People are paying premiums for the Switch CEs and dumping their PS4 CEs. Exclusivity is only one factor in collectibility and value.

Aussie2B
12-12-2018, 04:30 PM
Indeed, there are tons of multiplatform games where one version is significantly more valuable, just because it's rarer. And the most valuable version is often not the best version.

As far as "collectibility" goes, the original version of a game counts for something, but I see far more people talking about wanting to play "definitive" versions of games, and later versions are often regarded as better in that regard. So the later version sells way more copies, and the older version commands a premium because there are fewer to go around. As for Rondo, the PC Engine version is not only significantly rarer, but it's also a superior version in a number of ways (it's the only proper physical console release, for one; playing a handheld game with TV out just isn't the same). So its price definitely has way more factors involved than it being the original release.

jb143
12-12-2018, 09:31 PM
This. Besides, what fuels value of gamed to prospective buyers? Are younger, "current gen" folks going to be nostalgic for these games ten or twenty years down the road?

As mentioned before, what about digital downloads? Will it be a matter of just downloading the game or will people hoard their devices if it can't be easily downloaded? I can see it now:"iPhone 4S with Orig. Flappy Bird OMGRare!!!!!!!!!"

I'm going to predict that the market for modern games in the future is going to be pretty small. Many of the games that people (ie regular folk, not "gamers" per se) play are play and toss as they are about a buck a pop or free with ignorable micro transactions. I'd be very surprised if there would be a big push for something like the original "Candy Crush" or something along those lines. People will try to cash in on the concept ("Xbox 360 with Afterburner Climax RARE11112!!!Download") but will more than likely fail at getting anything reasonable or at all for such things.

Not so much Flappy Bird and Candy Crush but I could see Minecraft and Fortnight, or whatever the kids are playing these days. In 15-30 years kids who played those will have the same nostalgia that we have for the games we grew up with. What the market will look like for playing these games no one can guess. Or how you even "collect" a digital only game, but the nostalgia will be there.

Aussie2B
12-13-2018, 08:07 AM
I imagine those nostalgic for digital-only games will largely be turning toward emulation to recapture their childhood. But with the way Steam has more and more retro games available these days, the most popular digital-only games currently will probably be available to legally purchase when today's kids are adults. My guess is that there will be very little in the way of people buying systems because of what's installed.

kupomogli
12-13-2018, 11:24 AM
In 20 years Nintendo Labo is going to be the next Earthbound..... except, well, it'd be the next Earthbound if Earthbound wasn't very good and you got bored of it in five minutes, but I'm atleast predicting Labo will be expensive. First off, it's a Nintendo product, then there's how easy this junk is to destroy. You can print the stuff out and create more, but there's still going to be the official Nintendo cardboard cutouts which will be rare to find in good condition. I'm not making a joke prediction. A complete version of Labo will be super expensive, but even if it's just the software, because Labo is such a massive failure, it's likely that it won't get more than one printing, and with it being a Nintendo product on Nintendo's second highest selling console(atleast I'm using that assumption anyways,) it'll have many more people who are interested in buying these in the future. What can I say other than Nintendo fans are stupid(j/k j/k.)

gbpxl
12-13-2018, 02:17 PM
I wouldn't put any money on Labo becoming collectible mostly because I see hordes of them still being sealed in the next 15 to 20 years and no one wanting to buy them because there's no nostalgia for something no one used

bb_hood
12-13-2018, 07:08 PM
I'm not up to speed on the new stuff but I have a few predictions and maybe some of you can tell me if I am right or wrong.

What will be valuable:
-unopened first print Amiibos



This, but its not gonna be for awhile. I dont think the first print runs will be worth much more over secondary prints. The initial waves of amiibos werent especially rare (except for a few figs), it was just that scalpers bought up entire store stocks.

Aussie2B
12-13-2018, 07:40 PM
I'm pretty clueless on Amiibos, but is it that uncommon for them to stay unopened after they've been bought? I know they have gameplay functions, but it seems like a ton of people just buy them as collectible figures and keep them in the packaging.

bb_hood
12-13-2018, 10:24 PM
I'm pretty clueless on Amiibos, but is it that uncommon for them to stay unopened after they've been bought? I know they have gameplay functions, but it seems like a ton of people just buy them as collectible figures and keep them in the packaging.

Alot of people kept them sealed, alot of people opened them also. So sealed ones arent super rare... but there are a ALOT of them now so completing sets isnt easy. The problem is they take up alot of space, a set of smash amiibos can easily fill a large shelf.

Edmond Dantes
12-16-2018, 01:09 AM
The bigger question would be asking if video games will still be widely collectible in the future or will people just move onto something else. Video games could become the same like beanie babies.

Oh please don't fill me with false hopes of a day when old games are reasonably priced.

That said personally I think our savior will be pirate repro carts.

Probably comparably... in DVD cartoon collection, years ago Shout Factory's Transformers Matrix of Leadership used to be $200 used while their GI Joe footlocker (and Time Life's Real Ghostbusters) were like $80 and getting lower. It was assumed this was because the existance of a bootleg of the Matrix of Leadership set (there is no comparable bootleg of the other two things) had made the real thing more desirable... but years later, the situation reversed: You can now get a legit Matrix of Leadership set for sixty bucks (And in fact, I did) while the GI Joe Footlocker and the Time Life Real Ghostbusters both go for $300-$500 on used markets, and a part of me at least thinks this might be because of that same bootleg--people who really want a Matrix can get the hong kong one, while if you want a GI Joe footlocker or all the special features of Real Ghostbusters, you have only one option.

I wonder if Earthbound will be the same in a few years.

Right now the console I see gaining in value is the TurboGrafx, hucards specifically, because I almost never see those get bootleged. I dunno why, because its definitely possible, but it just doesn't seem to happen very often.

Kid Fenris
12-16-2018, 11:37 AM
After 29 years the TurboGrafx kids will finally have one up on the Nintendo and Sega crowds.

Aussie2B
12-16-2018, 01:02 PM
I shudder to think of TG-16 games getting even more expensive than they already are. I'm just glad the system was a lot more successful in Japan, so there are tons of good imports that are plentiful and still pretty cheap.

Tron 2.0
12-17-2018, 02:16 AM
I shudder to think of TG-16 games getting even more expensive than they already are. I'm just glad the system was a lot more successful in Japan, so there are tons of good imports that are plentiful and still pretty cheap.
That's best way to way to look at it currently given how much TG16 has skyrocketed in price,is pce second hand.Beside,cheaper alternatives for playing such as the turbo everdrive flash cart and fpga clones such as the super sd system 3.

Gameguy
12-18-2018, 12:00 AM
While that was a concern immediately following the crash in the US, I think video games have been around for too long to ultimately be a fad.
I said widely collectible, there will always be people collecting them just as people did before it became the cool mainstream thing to do. Even with beanie babies some people still collect them, and some are actually still quite valuable. It's just that now the majority of them are basically worthless or near worthless as most people only buy them for cheap to have a cute bear on display, not really to collect them anymore.

I remember around 2000/2001-ish Atari 2600 games became somewhat popular to collect, even common games could be sold for $2-$5 each. Now good luck getting $1 for a common game, most people moved away from collecting that console except for a few collectors and it's just the rare games that have significant value. Barely any collectors I run across actually collect pre-NES anything, Atari, Coleco, Intellivision are all basically ignored by most collectors now.

Here's my opinion, if something can be found on ebay at any given time then it's not that rare. Most valuable NES/SNES games are listed on ebay at any time, even if the prices are listed high they're still easy to find and available for purchase. Copies are still selling and more copies are being listed every few months, they're really not that rare compared to other collectibles. For example with actual rare stuff related to VHS tapes and laserdiscs, I have several where copies only turn up once every few months or even years, yet most still barely sell for $10-$30 when they are actually available. Value for anything really just depends on demand, something being rare isn't enough. If games aren't collectible in the mainstream anymore then the value will just drop as they're still too common to find. For most people dealing with original hardware is more of a pain than anything as most people don't have the correct TVs to even play them, using original hardware requires buying various converters and dealing with various shortfalls like having no working lightgun games, and with age more hardware needs to be repaired or maintained just to keep running. Eventually most people besides the die hard collectors will give up and move on.


That said personally I think our savior will be pirate repro carts.

Probably comparably... in DVD cartoon collection, years ago Shout Factory's Transformers Matrix of Leadership used to be $200 used while their GI Joe footlocker (and Time Life's Real Ghostbusters) were like $80 and getting lower. It was assumed this was because the existance of a bootleg of the Matrix of Leadership set (there is no comparable bootleg of the other two things) had made the real thing more desirable... but years later, the situation reversed: You can now get a legit Matrix of Leadership set for sixty bucks (And in fact, I did) while the GI Joe Footlocker and the Time Life Real Ghostbusters both go for $300-$500 on used markets, and a part of me at least thinks this might be because of that same bootleg--people who really want a Matrix can get the hong kong one, while if you want a GI Joe footlocker or all the special features of Real Ghostbusters, you have only one option.
I mostly hate pirate carts that look near perfect to the originals, I'll make exceptions to multicarts just because they're a neat oddity and of course translations or unreleased games are a bit different. I'm pretty sure someone released an alternate version of Streets of Rage 3 with added content a few years ago and it was available for purchase on a bootleg cart from a source, though I could be mixing it up with a different game instead. Old pirates from the 90's looked odd and were pretty hard to mistake for original games, they're still neat oddities to keep if found cheap. Straight modern pirates just irritate me and make me reluctant to buy anything I can't look over in person.

I'm not sure if bootlegs are specifically why those specific DVDs are cheaper. I thought that the Matrix of Leadership was reprinted or more widely available at some point, that's why it's cheaper now. It was in more high demand when the Transformers movies were starting to come out but now it dropped because the interest in the films dropped and the sets are more common to find. The GI Joe and Real Ghostbusters sets are harder to find and that's why they're so expensive now. I personally was waiting for the Real Ghostbusters set to drop in price before I would buy it but that never happened. Oh well. I've kind of moved on from older cartoons anyway so I'm not buying as many sets these days. Just wait until these series get released on Bluray, then the value of the DVDs will drop. As formats for video keep changing the older ones will get less valuable as long as they get re-released on the newer formats. Nobody would have thought their VHS tapes or laserdiscs would have become so worthless, people spent so much on these when they were new.

Aussie2B
12-18-2018, 08:40 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to call retro game collecting "mainstream". Modern gaming and buying AAA games digitally is what's mainstream. But retro collecting is less niche than it used to be, if only because there's more awareness of it, as there's more awareness of just about everything that's niche thanks to how ubiquitous the internet is now. Back in the day, a lot of us were more or less collecting in our own little bubbles, without talking to a ton of other collectors and making our collecting known to those who don't collect. I do think retro collecting has become something of a hipster-y fad for some, especially when the games in question are from before their time, same reason why vinyl collecting has become more popular recently. They enjoy watching AVGN and what have you on Youtube and decide to buy some retro games themselves on a whim. When the novelty wears off, their stuff will end up on the market again. But I think most people buying and selling are flippers who are aware enough of game collecting to think there's money to be made and people with nostalgia for what they're buying. Some will get their nostalgia fix and eventually dump their stuff too, likely causing prices to drop some on late 80s and 90s games as they did with pre-crash games. It makes sense that there seem to be more collectors than ever because the gaming populace grew over time. If there were more players of NES and the 16-bit systems than there were for pre-crash systems, it's only natural the ratio would carry through and result in more collectors of those games as well. And that's on top of the extra demand produced by the fact that companies like Nintendo and Sega are still around and still promoting awareness and nostalgia for their classics. It's easier to forget about and lose interest in pre-crash systems and games when they have little relevancy on the current market.

As for eBay, it's harder to use that as a judge of rarity than it used to be. When everything was an auction and most people started low, sure, a rare game game would come and go and then not be seen again for months. But now, it's more likely to see a rare game available at any given time, just it's so overpriced it'll sit on eBay for months and months on end. When there isn't a fee to list an item, there isn't much incentive to sell it immediately. And with the greater awareness of collecting, some stuff is bought for the purpose of selling. For example, I've been selling off some of my LRG stuff, and one game I'm selling is variant of which only 600 copies exist. I'd say that's pretty dang rare. That's probably not much more than a lot of rare games that pull in huge figures. But the demand isn't there for what I'm selling, and on top of that, a lot of people bought it to resell. There are always multiple copies of that variant available on eBay.

Gameguy
12-18-2018, 11:02 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to call retro game collecting "mainstream".
So things like the NES Classic or SNES Classic aren't available from major retailers? They're only available from specialty game stores?

The Atari 2600 was available for sale longer than both the NES and SNES combined, there should be more players for the Atari 2600 than the more modern NES or SNES consoles. People just got bored with the Atari games sooner, it'll still happen with more modern systems once the fad dies down. It's hard to remember that consoles like the NES and SNES were only marketed for about 5 years before replacements were introduced, compare that to the PS2, PS3, or XBOX 360. Flippers and resellers are only able to profit off of games because people are willing to pay big bucks for them, mostly hipsters like you've mentioned. When they stop collecting, there won't be as much money for resellers so they'll stop buying them to flip.

gbpxl
12-18-2018, 06:08 PM
I think one reason Atari game prices and that era of games isn't expensive now is because those games haven't aged well at all. Just looking at screenshots of them makes my eyes bleed.

kupomogli
12-19-2018, 09:03 AM
I think it goes without saying that the Vita exclusives, the very few they are will be highly collectible. Some that aren't exclusive even.

Soul Sacrifice Delta and Oreshika Tainted Bloodline are exclusives that were only released in English in the Asian regions, being probably the most expensive on the system. Sword Art Online Hollow Fragment is exclusive physically, originally released on Vita and that one is higher priced. Then others released in the west like Dungeon Travelers 2, Demon Gaze, etc. Then you've got ones that aren't exclusive but highly sought Vita titles, Final Fantasy 10-2 can be purchased physically on PS4, but the Vita version in the west only includes a voucher so a lot of people want this one. Then there's English Asian versions of both PS4 and Vita releases of Super Robot Wars V, SD Gundam G Generation Genesis as well as others(the Vita having many that haven't had a US release) which I'm sure will be high priced eventually on both consoles. The Vita version of SD Gundam G Generation Genesis is the only two card Vita game, install card and game card, so I think that reason alone might increase the cost of that game once more Vita collectors know about it. Obviously the NIS retail exclusives, LRG releases, etc will be expensive as well.

The Vita might be a massive disappointment that no one bought, but because of that it'll also probably be the most collectible of all the failures.

ScourDX
02-05-2019, 07:57 PM
The collector trend from social media seems to be vast but here are generally what people collect for

1. Complete set collector for specific system (WiiU, Vita, switch & etc)
2. Collect only their favorite franchise. They want to get every game release, variant and memorabilia
3. Rare title that worth money from various system. IE: PS2 collector constantly display rule of rose, haunting ground and ku-on as their rarest games that worth money.
4. LGR, strictly limited, and many other limited release games
5. limited version console/handheld. Some collector aiming for complete N64, DS, 3ds and etc.

Gameguy
02-05-2019, 09:48 PM
The collector trend from social media seems to be vast but here are generally what people collect for

1. Complete set collector for specific system (WiiU, Vita, switch & etc)
2. Collect only their favorite franchise. They want to get every game release, variant and memorabilia
3. Rare title that worth money from various system. IE: PS2 collector constantly display rule of rose, haunting ground and ku-on as their rarest games that worth money.
4. LGR, strictly limited, and many other limited release games
5. limited version console/handheld. Some collector aiming for complete N64, DS, 3ds and etc.
What happened to the collectors who focussed on collecting their favourite games to play on various consoles? Normal people you'd actually want to talk to?

Aussie2B
02-05-2019, 10:51 PM
People who buy any random games on any random systems just based on what looks appealing to them generally don't regard themselves as collectors. They're just regular gamers. Collectors have some sort of framework behind what they're looking to buy beyond "stuff I like to play".

There's nothing wrong with people who collect full sets, rare games, hardware variants, etc. Those are the kinds of people that this forum was made by and for.

mailman187666
02-06-2019, 07:18 AM
At first I wanted to collect a complete sega saturn collection. Once I started seeing the sports games pile up and looking at my listof games I still need, there are only about 5-10 games out of maybe 60 left in the library that I care to own. I'd say I am in the collector group that wants to only buy games that intrigue me and are at a good price.

WulfeLuer
02-08-2019, 05:02 AM
I wouldn't put any money on Labo becoming collectible mostly because I see hordes of them still being sealed in the next 15 to 20 years and no one wanting to buy them because there's no nostalgia for something no one used

Labo actually has the potential to become even more collectible than most of its contemporaries. Yes, its a dud, but A) its a dud by Nintendo; even their failures tend to become sought after and even celebrated. B) its an actual, physical object. This is kind of thing that can collect dust at a pawn shop or Goodwill until some "Nostalgia Gamer" talking head discovers it and the internet lemmings run out and invert the supply/demand relationship 10 years from now.

Of the other modern stuff floating out there. I think that 'mini' consoles will have something of a collector status, with CIB unhacked versions being at the top of the heap. Regular modern consoles themselves will have something also, with the added wrinkle of being fragile and increasingly harder to repair as time goes on.

As for the games themselves, anything that comes with feelies will have something of a premium. Not 'collector/legendary/GOTY' versions, I mean stuff that comes with soundtrack CDs, busts, things of that nature. How desirable a regular copy will be probably be dependent on how easy it is to play it. We might see something like consoles being sold with desirable games with all the files and patches in the hard drive, "ready to play" as collector's items.

ScourDX
02-08-2019, 09:55 PM
What happened to the collectors who focussed on collecting their favourite games to play on various consoles? Normal people you'd actually want to talk to?

Unfortunately everyone wants to be cool and hip. In most of the collectors Iíve encounter like to keep their game sealed and never play them. It is sad this is what collector has become. Everyone wants to own rare title and hope to cash it at later date.

Niku-Sama
02-10-2019, 03:21 PM
has any one said Wii U stuff yet, i could see some of that becoming sought after considering it wasnt a bad console.

Also Digimon Story games seem to be kind of flying under the radar, i could see them being like .Hack for PS2

kupomogli
02-12-2019, 01:06 AM
People who buy any random games on any random systems just based on what looks appealing to them generally don't regard themselves as collectors. They're just regular gamers. Collectors have some sort of framework behind what they're looking to buy beyond "stuff I like to play".

There's nothing wrong with people who collect full sets, rare games, hardware variants, etc. Those are the kinds of people that this forum was made by and for.

This forum was made because it's based on their store front for people who buy and sell games, collectors and gamers alike.

But just because people like to enjoy the titles that they collect means they're not collectors? I want to collect anything and everything that's looks like it could be a fairly good game. Yes, it has to be something that interests me, but you don't get to have over 200 "retail" PS4 games by not being interested in collecting. What's the point in spending more money for a retail than just purchasing it for a few dollars if you were "just a gamer."

Aussie2B
02-12-2019, 08:23 AM
Uhhhhh this site was created LONG before the Digital Press store ever existed.

Your poor reading comprehension strikes again. I never said collectors can't enjoy what they collect, nor did I ever say I would dictate who can and can't identify as a collector. If somebody owns five games and still wants to identify as a collector, that's no skin off my nose. My point is that collectors usually try to get as many games as they can get. If something is real cheap, they'll give it a shot, whether it's something they've heard of or not, or even if it's something that doesn't seem super appealing to them. They'll buy just about any game in their favorite genres, they'll collect merch for their favorite games, they'll go after full sets for their favorite systems, etc. etc. These are the kinds of things collectors do, and those are the sorts of people this site has always catered to. Anybody who has a problem with people who participate in the hobby in that sort of way is frankly at the wrong place. There are plenty of places online where people collect and play more "casually", by just looking for games they want to play, playing through them, and then finding the next game they want to play, no different than gamers who don't identify as collectors.

kupomogli
02-12-2019, 03:02 PM
If you have one person that has 721 SNES games and only that, he's a full set collector. But if you have someone who has over 200 SNES games, over 200 NES games, over 200 Genesis games, over 200 PS1 games, over 200 PS2 games, over 1000 games, that person's not a collector if s/he only purchases the games that s/he enjoys. Who's the elitist?

Some people just don't like wasting money on shit games. I personally want a collection of games that I can pick up and play literally any of them and enjoy them. There are some that I keep that I don't really like much or at all, but I still own them for various reasons(example is Valkyrie Profile or Vagrant Story) while there are others that I don't want in my library and sell them. With as many good games that are out there, I dont have the time or the funds to collect every pos as well.

Gameguy
02-15-2019, 12:46 AM
Unfortunately everyone wants to be cool and hip. In most of the collectors Iíve encounter like to keep their game sealed and never play them. It is sad this is what collector has become. Everyone wants to own rare title and hope to cash it at later date.
It's kind of a shame really. I remember back when people created threads asking about "What are good games for <insert console>?" or "What are good <insert genre> type games?". People also bought up cheap games for a few bucks and tried them out, finding decent games that would otherwise be overlooked and ignored. Only some collectors went for complete console collections and people sold and traded stuff for cheap between collectors. Now everything is about finding rare/valuable games just to flip for a profit. Or making it seem like every random generic game has an extreme amount of historical significance.

Of course I also kept an eye out for rare games if by chance I'd come across them for cheap, rare stuff is interesting for various reasons. But I didn't keep every rare game I found if they were really terrible to play. I mostly just kept games worth playing, with a few exceptions. Way back I focussed more on the rarity ratings using the guide here than the dollar amount of the games. It was cooler to find an R6 or R7 for $5 than a game worth $60 or $100 for $5, now the focus is almost exclusively just on monetary value.

Rickstilwell1
03-01-2019, 04:41 PM
If you have one person that has 721 SNES games and only that, he's a full set collector. But if you have someone who has over 200 SNES games, over 200 NES games, over 200 Genesis games, over 200 PS1 games, over 200 PS2 games, over 1000 games, that person's not a collector if s/he only purchases the games that s/he enjoys. Who's the elitist?

Some people just don't like wasting money on shit games. I personally want a collection of games that I can pick up and play literally any of them and enjoy them. There are some that I keep that I don't really like much or at all, but I still own them for various reasons(example is Valkyrie Profile or Vagrant Story) while there are others that I don't want in my library and sell them. With as many good games that are out there, I dont have the time or the funds to collect every pos as well.

See, this is how I collect. I became a collector in the first place because I was raised in a situation where I didn't rent games. I received them as presents and kept them, just replaying the same ones many times and becoming better at them. By the end of high school I had over 300. So I have a lot of favorites. I also like to try new experiences on old or new systems and add games to the list of those I desire. I'm in my early 30s now and I don't even know the rough number of games I've become attached to anymore.

I used to collect video games more heavily but I got tired of storing things I didn't appreciate and wanted more variety in my life. With only so much room and multiple collecting interests besides video games, I have to give and take with my other hobbies. Video games are my #1 but I'd rather have room for my audio/video tape transferring equipment, my bass guitars, rare local cds, and other odds and ends I think are cool instead of one or two additional video game shelves that are just going to hold genres I don't like or games with terrible play control.

I've become a more casual collector in the sense that I buy what I like to play, but I do spend good money on trying to get decent condition CIB copies of ultimate favorites and have at least one version of most of the US released game systems as well as multiple versions of certain ones. I will also hang onto variations of games I already have if I find them, but I also don't rush to ebay to buy every single one individually. I'd rather have the next game I want than another copy of the same thing that just looks different. I will also rebuy the same games on different consoles and use them as an excuse to play the game again.

I will also grab cheap game consoles at thrift stores, make sure they work and resell them with extra games I found so I can get more money to buy games and systems I will never find there. If I buy 5 PlayStation 2 sets for $20 or so over time and sell them for $50 each on facebook marketplace, I can get all my money back and go buy another Neo Geo MVS game.

Aussie2B
03-01-2019, 08:34 PM
If you have one person that has 721 SNES games and only that, he's a full set collector. But if you have someone who has over 200 SNES games, over 200 NES games, over 200 Genesis games, over 200 PS1 games, over 200 PS2 games, over 1000 games, that person's not a collector if s/he only purchases the games that s/he enjoys. Who's the elitist?

If anybody in this topic had said anything remotely like that, then, sure, go ahead and call them an elitist.

Gameguy
03-02-2019, 12:37 AM
If anybody in this topic had said anything remotely like that, then, sure, go ahead and call them an elitist.
Well that's pretty much what you said. People who just focus on buying and owning games they like playing aren't collectors, they're just regular gamers. You're not a collector unless you buy stuff beyond "stuff I like to play".


People who buy any random games on any random systems just based on what looks appealing to them generally don't regard themselves as collectors. They're just regular gamers. Collectors have some sort of framework behind what they're looking to buy beyond "stuff I like to play".

There's nothing wrong with people who collect full sets, rare games, hardware variants, etc. Those are the kinds of people that this forum was made by and for.

Aussie2B
03-02-2019, 08:19 AM
People who buy any random games on any random systems just based on what looks appealing to them generally don't regard themselves as collectors.


I never said collectors can't enjoy what they collect, nor did I ever say I would dictate who can and can't identify as a collector. If somebody owns five games and still wants to identify as a collector, that's no skin off my nose.

You guys can keep pushing your false narrative if you want to conjure up something to be offended about, but the facts are as they stand. I don't care who does or doesn't regard themselves as collectors, nor am I looking down on anyone here. This hobby should be welcoming to all, and generally speaking, there are enough copies of games for everybody, regardless of what they choose to do with them. Yet this topic is loaded with posts looking down on the very sorts of collectors who this forum was created by and for. So really, who's being the elitist here?