Nintendo Switch 2

[Nz17]

The Nintendo Switch 2 is now official. Seems interesting, yet will it be "Wii U 2" by public perception and sales wise?

[Steve W]

I haven't read anything about it yet. Will it be backwards compatible?

I've been wanting a Switch for a year or two, if a new console comes out that'll mean the old one will drop in price after everybody gets rid of their old system to buy the new one. That's when I get onboard, when I can pick up piles of dirt cheap games everywhere. Lots of physical media out there waiting for me to grab it.

[Tron 2.0]

I haven't read anything about it yet. Will it be backwards compatible?

I've been wanting a Switch for a year or two, if a new console comes out that'll mean the old one will drop in price after everybody gets rid of their old system to buy the new one. That's when I get onboard, when I can pick up piles of dirt cheap games everywhere. Lots of physical media out there waiting for me to grab it.
It will be backwards compatible but nintendo has stated some games will not run on the switch 2.

[Nz17]

I haven't read anything about it yet. Will it be backwards compatible?

Yes, and Nintendo is taking the Switch 2 on tour this year to Los Angeles, New York City, and Dallas, Texas, a lot like Sega had their Mobile Assault Tour with the SEGA Dreamcast.

[Az]

My biggest disappointment was they still didn't include a regular d-pad. I get the whole deal about detaching the controllers for 2 players, and that's fine and dandy for the tiny fraction of a percentage that might be used, but to me that is totally insignificant. Old man eyes combined with a crappy control scheme makes the portability function not a big appeal to me.

[kupomogli]

I think Nintendo Switch 2 is going to be succuessful, Nintendo has been cultivating their fanbase for years. Whether it's the brainwashed fanboys of their their first party titles or it's everyone who just likes to play games. While it's true that Nintendo has always pushed profitability, Nintendo has done so without pushing away the people who make them money. Nintendo has released some microtransactions, but even wihen all companies are desperate to make that big live service game, Nintendo has been plucking away with single player or single player but also couch co op multiplayer games. When Microsoft and Sony have abandoned exclusives just so they can make a quick dollar, Nintendo has not only maintained all of their exclusives they continue to pay for more third party exclusives, to get people interested in playing games that can only be played on their console.

It's like Nintendo is the only console publisher now days that gets it, the only one that's being competitive when the others aren't, the only one that realizes physical media is a big reason to own a console, the only console publisher who realizes that they don't want to just be another box, they want to be a box that says they're Nintendo, they're unique, something Microsoft and Sony have lost.

I'll be getting a Switch 2 day one, when the PS6 releases with an optional disc drive, I won't be there and by the time PS7 dies, Sony and Microsoft both will be third party, Microsoft a lot earlier than Sony.

Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman 2, and Returnal. These games are on PC meaning there's literally no exclusivity on the PS5 and now that we know every studio has been working on cancelled live service games, the only other two games that will release before PS6 are Wolverine and Ghost of Yotei. A generation full of ports and a brand that has ran itself into the ground by porting everything over to PC and chasing digital only. Playstation is a brand that's been pushing away the meaning of its existence. There's been no reason to own a Playstation and as I cotinue to state, the platform is done because just over half a decade of the worst decisions they could have ever made.

It's unfortunate because there will be no reason for Nintendo to remain competitive when all their competition dies out. Is Nintendo going to really spend money to fund more projects when they don't need to, and by that I mean purchase first party exclusives? Maybe, I mean there's still PC so getting people interested in jumping on Switch is stilll going to be the goal.

[calthaer]

The Wii was the last Nintendo console I bought. I don't see myself getting another.

At some point the Pokémon games got old for me (took a good decade) and the same old jumping plumber or sword-wielding elf just didn't do it for me. I'm all Steam and GOG all the time now. Aquaria, FEZ, Braid, Bastion, and Terraria were turning points for me sometime around 2010 - I realized that the real innovation was happening on PC and I didn't really look back all that much.

I've got Wii and Nintendo DS games I'll finish, some day...but it's just easier to play on the PC.

[Gentlegamer]

The Wii was the last Nintendo console I bought. I don't see myself getting another.

At some point the Pokémon games got old for me (took a good decade) and the same old jumping plumber or sword-wielding elf just didn't do it for me. I'm all Steam and GOG all the time now. Aquaria, FEZ, Braid, Bastion, and Terraria were turning points for me sometime around 2010 - I realized that the real innovation was happening on PC and I didn't really look back all that much.

I've got Wii and Nintendo DS games I'll finish, some day...but it's just easier to play on the PC.
I had fun with Super Mario Odyssey, Tears of the Kingdom, and The Legend of Link... but you're not wrong.

[Kid Fenris]

I'll get one as long as they announce Mole Mania 2.


I realized that the real innovation was happening on PC.


This has never been remotely true. I mean, has anyone actually believed it beyond the most willfully ignorant PC gamers? Innovation is not exclusive to any platform.

What IS true that the increasingly homogenous nature of the game industry has left Nintendo with fewer exclusives beyond their own domain, but that didn't seem to bother the Switch so much.

[Niku-Sama]

i wonder why some games wont work on the 2nd console.

I'm honestly a bit sour about the wii u and waited a very long time before getting a switch and its kinda just easier to play at the moment in my setup than any of the other consoles. i could see this going the way of wii u
if they do pull this off i cant see using joy cons as mice sticking around long, seems like one of those gimmicks that gets dropped at a hardware revision.

I also wish they would do some sort of just a console version that could be cheaper since it wont have a screen and battery and charging circuit. i never take mine out of the dock. i started with a lite but found some games, a lot of games, were devloped with "tv mode" in mind so it makes it hard to do in handheld mode, and no its nothing to do with the screen size. i have the same problem with my oled switch.
and frankly i just got my OLED switch as an investment so it'll probably go as long as i still have something to play the games i have on a tv at some point in the future

[YoshiM]

I don't think this will be a "Wii U" situation as it's not unlike going from a DS to a 3DS. However with that comparison, the 3DS probably sold about half as many units as the DS did, so will the S2 mimic or do better? It's hard to tell.

Will i get one? Maybe, depending on what exclusives there are that grab my fancy. If Animal Crossing comes out, then it's a definite purchase. I sometimes moan about playing the same formula of game but now with crafting, which I typically dislike in games. Then I get the ability to cook and I unlock a couple minor things I typically don't even use and I squeal like a school girl with delight. Watching the animals meander and just do their thing just gets me giddy. I don't know why exactly as you'd think one would get burned out after playing the series for like twenty three years. If the next version of AC allowed you to actually make items you buy in the game actually DO stuff you'd think they would (like being able to play ping pong on a table or any of the arcade games) i'd be there flippin' day one. Day one, gar-un-teed.

[kupomogli]

I'll be getting one day one if it comes out at a reasonable price, but with all of these price "leaks" from these fake insiders who are just throwing out some really shitty predictions and everyone is jumping onto these really stupid ass prices, I probably won't be getting one. Nintendo isn't blind to community speculation, the 3DS launched overpriced because of all the initial impressions. People talking about how the Nintendo Switch 2 couldn't be less than $450 or $500 just because the Switch OLED is $350. The Switch OLED is $350 because the Nintendo Switch hasn't received a price drop once since it launched, even though the Switch is using the exact same hardware as the Nvidia Shield back in 2012 which was priced at $199. The reason these consoles are priced the way they are it's because not only the hardware and what the publishers think they can get for them, and Nintendo will definitely overprice it if thinks the fanbase will pay these outrageous prices.

There's a problem though if Nintendo does this though. These console publishers are all doing business practices that are overall just hurting their business, and while Nintendo is the only one that actually has exclusives, a saving grace for the company, an extremely overpriced hardware is not a way to entice people into buying a console. Sure, your die hard I'll only ever buy Nintendo products and your hardcore collectors will buy the Switch 2, but are people going to be willing to pay as much as a PS5 to buy last gen tech again?

I just really hope this fan speculation doesn't drive up the price because console gaming is already in a rough place as it is with Sony and Microsoft already running their businesses into the ground, ruining console gaming by not even trying to be competitive in the gaming space. NIntendo could very well cause their own and the complete collapse of console gaming and collecting as we know it if they don't remain successful.

I'll add a little bit more to this as well. The Steam Deck OLED which is the revised Steam Deck is as powerful as a PS4, like the Switch, it has an internal 512GB SSD which knowing Nintendo is likely not going to be the case, Nintendo is going to go as cheap as possible. So just with this information alone, you're talking about hardware that should be $300 at most for sale to the consumer, not even price per unit for Nintendo because they're probably paying $150 or less per unit.

[Querjek]

Gamestop announced a trade bump for amiibo. They stopped taking those a few years back and semi-recently started again. Guess this confirms amiibo will work on Switch 2.

[Baloo]

I bought a used switch, extra set of joycons and some games for about $200 combined towards the end of 2023 on eBay and I wouldn't say the purchase was overall satisfying relative to what any of this stuff costs brand new. Of the games I have bought or owned, I really only thought Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Super Mario Odyssey were knockout games. Trying to find a first party game for less than $30 is impossible, even if it came out 8 years ago. Super Mario Bros U Deluxe and Super Mario Wonder were fine, but I didn't think they were amazing. Same thing with Mario Party Superstars, which I thought was only OK. I had the most fun honestly with the N64 wireless controller and the N64 games on Nintendo Switch Online, since most of the first party rereleases for the switch really seem like mainly rehashes or remasters. I won't be buying the Switch 2, since I honestly don't see what they're going to put on it that will be another killer app. The graphics on the Switch are perfectly great as it is.

[Gentlegamer]

Will Switch 2 have a new Zelda that was held back from Switch 1 for release?

[kupomogli]

Will Switch 2 have a new Zelda that was held back from Switch 1 for release?

Probably, that's why they released a glorified expansion pass for $70, because they were also developing another Zelda that was intended for Switch but they decided to launch it on Switch 2. Because the Switch actually sold well, they'll also likely release it on the Switch as well, just a month or two after the fact. They want money but they don't want to cannibalize their sales of Switch 2.

[kupomogli]

Nintendo just swept. Playstation and Xbox are done.

[Steve W]

Didn't Nintendo announce that first-party games will be $80 to $90 with the Switch 2 onward? It's like they're milking the loyalty of their fans.

[Tron 2.0]

Sticker shock when i see those prices for switch 2 games i'm fine with the console price.Still i don't know when i'll buy a switch 2 but if i want to play the latest by from software i got no choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IP8-cZHyKI

[kupomogli]

Didn't Nintendo announce that first-party games will be $80 to $90 with the Switch 2 onward? It's like they're milking the loyalty of their fans.

I only watched the event, I didn't look up anything but the price of the console which I feel is $100 overpriced and I feel the reason is because the speculation and people saying they'd pay x amount. Nintendo looks at this stuff and it's the stupid brainwashed fanboys that cause everyone interested in reasonable costs to just get fucked.

Just last night I was sent that Nintendo is charging $80 for digital and $90 for physical games when someone linked me a video from Dreamcast Guy and my hype for the console was immediately gone. This is the scummiest I've seen come from a first party publisher and the same Nintendo fanboy cultists that would sacrifice their first born child if Nintendo demanded it would gladly bend over and take it. This is bullshit and I'm going to avoid getting the Switch 2 for awhile now because of it. I'll see how things start to turn out afterwards, but this is really not how you keep fans. I refuse to pay $70 for new games so I'm not going to pay $80 or $90. Nintendo can go fuck themselves right off a cliff.

It's like wtf, all these publishers are doing their absolute best to push people away from gaming in its entirety, atleast collectors? I like Nintendo games, I like Nintendo hardware, but this is why I'm constantly shitting on Nintendo as a company. Their fucking greed knows no bounds, I thought this shit was long past and they've atleast chilled but nope, they're absolutely still the greedy piece of shit company they've been since the NES.

And then I'm shitting on Playstation and Microsoft for running their own hardware into the ground, not even trying to be competitive in the least and with Nintendo doing this it's only going to make the other hardware manufacturer's follow suit. Now they're going to stop being competitive and push overpriced bullshit software. Once the first party do it, then third party will follow as well. I can only imagine what Limited Run Games will do after this announcement because we know how greedy those piece of shit assholes are.

[Gentlegamer]

Nintendo is going to sell you the Switch 2 FAQ

https://i.ibb.co/j9FS9WvX/Switch-2-paid-FAQ.png

[fpbrush]

Haha. Oh se at it is! So, beautiful! The map is so *craze.

[YoshiM]

Wow....$80 for Switch 2 games....I...yeah...that's hard to swallow. While it is true that there are games on Steam that are close to that price ("Dragon's Dogma 2", "Avowed", "Starfield" are all at $69.99 on my Steam store right now), at least the prices go down eventually or will be on a sale. Nintendo produced games like the Marios and such tend to maintain their prices for a long, long time that hardly, if ever, having a sale that rivals a good Steam sale.

We've got a lot of options these days to get our modern gaming on for cheap or even free. My kids probably aren't the greatest litmus for the gaming population at large, but with their age range (out of the dozen, 10 are gamers to some degree with ages from 22 to 9) and many will hop on Roblox to play new hotness like "Dandy's World" for hours. From there it's a handful of PC games like "Stardew Valley", "Project Zomboid", "Helldivers 2" and "Stick Fight" get a lot of play eventually followed by a handful of Switch games. Save for "Helldivers", that's a lot of entertainment for not a lot of money and (again, save for "Helldivers") you don't need a lotta PC to play them. I fixed up a few recycled PCs from 2011-2013, put in SSDs and they've been rockin' for years on the cheap.

I'm not saying Nintendo's sales will take a nose dive but with how things are starting to turn out, people may start looking to other options for their electronic entertainment. And with new games continuing to come out for the original Switch, it'll be interesting to see how many will make the, um, switch on launch.

[Greg2600]

Well, the big N have yanked all pre-orders, after Trumpy-Poo proclaimed that Japan will be hit with large import tariffs.

[Spartacus]

Well, the big N have yanked all pre-orders, after Trumpy-Poo proclaimed that Japan will be hit with large import tariffs.

Japan could eliminate all of it's tariffs, effectively nullifying all US counter tariffs.
Nintendo used to manufature it's products in China where workers earn $6.50 per hour, but using the beauty of the free trade system, moved it's manufacturing to Vietnam where workers earn $3 per hour. The ultimate goal of free trade is unpaid forced labor.
I'm sure there are frugal gamers who would applaud slavery. Why don't those gamers just go back to stealing ROM's and burning disks?

[Gametrek]

GCN Bluetooth controller released at least

Just to break down what really matters.

0. Nintendo should literally just make it a computer system already. Allow room for external GPU ( occulink ), Give the option and drivers for Windows 7-11, Linux, or even OSX installs. The M4 Mac have proven via VMware, we can have DX12. But again this is a driver issue and not a version issue( but again they will lie and make it a version issue ). Just make it a service, and you download the game like GOG and let people enjoy it. There are so many power-house mini-computers now-days in comparison to micro-computers of early glory. We can even daisy-chain GPUs together and they would even fit inside a NES case. The Nintendo variant of Steam would also allow your creative content to run on actual Nintendo hardware. Thus you would be able to get paid in points and cash out...like Crypto ( bit-coin and etc ). The PSP in a nutshell.

I have an idea. Sell people A NES replica machine. With a portable WiiUmote ( which can function as a secondary display/Wacom and Wii / Wii U screen/mote )and have people purchase DLC they do not have to DLC. Run your games over the internet via a connection from your home base or broadcast it to your WiiUmote. Better yet allow your NES replica and WiiUmote to have SIM card power and start an actual phone service that piggy-backs off T-mobile ( like Cricket ) and this way you will not even need any wired internet service at all. Your WiiUmote is your phone/game system and broadcast base for your system.

About that "Blue Ocean Stratergy" where Nintendo just allow people to install an application on there Wii and WiiU consoles so they can virtual pay and virtual play the content limited to the video quality. ( SSH Putty VNC where you can run Termux Linux on a phone from anywhere and open a window to this system from anywhere ). Even allow people to have there Wii / WiiU content compiled and delivered/installed after pay is made. Scraping the sands for salt made cents?

Japan is a nationalist ( for themselves and not for outsiders ) nation..These companies have a mission statement ( the same statement for hiring a man named Bowser over Reggie ) "We need more sales". Well like investing in machines to cash our groceries. When you do not hire people to do work and give them income opportunities that only limit them to paying rent ( which goes straight to that place ). Do you think people will jump on the money to purchase your system?Take Southpark studios. The entire Animating staff are clearly of "Asian decent" all behind second generation Wacoms. Meanwhile that student out there have to"deal with it". Oh and lets not talk about discrimination, favoritism, and the results of that choas.

About Tarrifs. Remember post 9/11 and the violating security screenings to the creation of the Airport security and unrelated HLS. ( which is burning tons of money right now in comparison to forest/urban park ranger who does real work ) Well other nations did just that. Like Egypt where you can not enter the nation with cameras without paying a fee or somebody could walk up to you and tell you to delete specific pictures.

Thanks to Hill-dog not getting out of the way of Bernie Sanders for not telling Hillary to step down because of all those anti-privacy laws that Chris Hansen and Oprah Winfrey supportrs. Where a guy and a gal can not be normal due to age differences like the creator of Spawn and most of our parents. We need to violate somebodys privacy to "Bring them to there heels". Meanwhile a child was violated by his same sex couple. I mean how did that happen? Should be safer then a Religious upbringing home where the only crime that happens was that daddy was mommies baby-sitter/teacher... and mommy help daddy actually function and not create a another "Duck:Carbine High" or "Elephant" scenario. AKA "The love that gives is the love that takes".

Nope but we had to bad-mouth men ( Like George/Elroy Jetson ), AKA the guy who will work in rubbish, study rubbish, and go over time and donate money meanwhile Jane will take the wallet and go spend spend spend. Nope because your a dirty old man who is nine-years-old, according to your peers. Your ugly because your well fed. Why bother even try just lie down and die mentality. = Tarrifs

4. Those Ukriane and innocent Arabic/Islam peeps ( Palestinians ) do not matter one bit. Those piles of bodies, some I probably went to college with or saw in my neighborhood. Where is "Team America" AKA Team USA. Doing nothing outside of evacuating some place allowing for more then four innocent US military service people to get blown up, and one innocent civillian delivering food and water to children to get drone-bombed.

5. People are going to hack it. People are going to pirate it. Why pretend anymore when you ( Nintendo ) botched the original Gameboy Cartridge design. We could have used that design in so many ways like the GBC cartridges did. Take Soundboy ( the MP3/WMV player designed by an African-American person ). We could have PCE, SNES, Genesis, and even CD player add-on. The Gameboy cartridge was perfect.
Just make a portable that looks and feels ( and smells ) like a gameboy. Those Greys, off-colored-reds/purples, that hypnotic green. It is a tablet people, an under-powered tablet that wants to charge you $80 dollars ( but maybe it is a hoax/joke before launch (.

Oh look Donkey Kong Jr ... v. the rock-people who looks like rejects from Conker. Not like the masks from Crash Bandicoot or the Antartic animals from the MSX logo. We made a hip ( who is baddddd ) looking Candy Kong, and now Jr. wears pants

[Osirus]

Those Gamecube controllers are going to be sold out the microsecond they go on sale and stay that way forever.

[Hep038]

Nintendo just swept. Playstation and Xbox are done.

I can't tell if that is sarcasm or just the regular Sony/Microsoft doom and gloom Nintendo fans pray for.

[fpbrush]

I can't tell if that is sarcasm or just the regular Sony/Microsoft doom and gloom Nintendo fans pray for.

So, I feel like Nintendo has a good offering with Switch 2. But, however, I haven’t read or seen everything about something like a PlayStation Next or the continuing line of Xbox. Switch 2 looks good.

[YoshiM]

Those Gamecube controllers are going to be sold out the microsecond they go on sale and stay that way forever.

Folks said that about the N64 controller and things stabilized....BUUUUTTTT now that I type that, I didn't take into consideration the Smash Bros. factor.

Yeah, they'll be gone for a while. Though I bet if you wanted to sell yours or a loved one's kidney, you could buy one on the 'Bay after launch.

I'm still going to hold out for a while to see what all lands on Switch 2. At first I was excited but with the release price announced month after my excited post at another site, it's a "hold" for now. Unless they release one hum-dinger version of "Animal Crossing" sooner than later. I'm still waiting for Nintendo to make things like arcade machines, tennis tables and the like actually USABLE rather than just be floor trophies. They could be simplistic for all I care but as long as it's basically playable requiring some level of skill, I'd be there.

[Goblin]

Preorders are live. Just got one from Target.

[kupomogli]

I can't tell if that is sarcasm or just the regular Sony/Microsoft doom and gloom Nintendo fans pray for.

Well, at first I believed this, but that's until I saw their prices, the increased game prices, the keycards, etc.

But now I'm back to believing that again as not only are Sony and Microsoft consoles pretty shit now days in terms of variety of games compared to every past generation, but the Nintendo Switch 2 has already sold out of its launch day preorders which people predict are 9-10 million consoles.

There's a few things about this that I'm very sad about. First off, is I will eventually get a Switch 2, once I get 10+ games at reasonable sale prices of $30 or less than I'm actually interested in, how long that's going to take who knows, but let's say I expect around five years if I purchase games that I can't get on any other console and only at $30 or less. The second problem is, the Nintendo faithful cult as annoying as they are, a fanbase I really dislike, were just on their own console praising Miyamoto and delivering their first born children to be sacrificed at his request. All is well there, fine. But now that Nintendo has increased game prices to $80 and these fanboys don't care. It's one thing to only ever purchase Nintendo consoles and follow their blind loyalty, but now by doing so they're going to be throwing $80 at every Nintendo game and you absolutely know that every single company is going to be watching this closely. From pieces of shit like Sony and Microsoft to pieces of shit like Josh Fairhurst(LRG.) I may not have any debt, but I also don't make a lot of money either. I'd like to not sell my body parts on the black market to be able to still collect video games in the modern day but that's what it appears needs to be done and we can thank all the asshole Nintendo fanboys for making this happen(in the near future.)

And some of you here might be Nintendo fanboys, I'm a Sony fanboy, but if you're at this forum odds are you don't ONLY purchase Nintendo consoles. Being a fanboy isn't the problem, it's that most of these Nintendo fanboys are walking unpaid spokespersons for Nintendo and trolling every other community while they're at it. And by buying into this overpriced bs, they're screwing everyone else in the gaming community by telling every other publisher that we're okay with this.

[kupomogli]

Voting with your wallet almost never works, should I make a list of all the bs that have become common place thanks to the average consumer "voting with their wallet?"

[Niku-Sama]

because the average consumer is not educated well in money management.

I will probably not be getting a switch any time soon. seems like too much monies honestly and frankly there isnt any games i just have to have.
The only reason i have an OG switch is because i wanted something to do while i was traveling and everything i owned was packed up away, most still is, after my life changed.

I kinda want a PS5 though but same thing, nothing i just have to have right now on it...

[kupomogli]

Nintendo doing this it's only going to make the other hardware manufacturer's follow suit.

I knew it. Thanks Nintendo.

https://www.gematsu.com/2025/05/xbox-series-global-price-increase-announced-for-consoles-controllers-and-games

[Spartacus]

Good Lord! The new games will cost as much as Super Nintendo games did. Who would have thunk it?

[Gentlegamer]

I knew it. Thanks Nintendo.

https://www.gematsu.com/2025/05/xbox-series-global-price-increase-announced-for-consoles-controllers-and-games

classic collusion

[kupomogli]

Good Lord! The new games will cost as much as Super Nintendo games did. Who would have thunk it?

Most SNES games didn't cost $80, a lot of RPGs did, but cartridge games for consoles generally did cost more because of the format. Even before CDs though floppy discs and 3.5 disk games were usually around $20-$40, so no, games were not expensive back then as they are today.

Also games back then were never as popular as they were now, how many NES, SNES, and Genesis sold? Consoles never even got close to 100 million units sold until the PS1 when it started to become more acceptable to play games, then the sixth generation sold over 200 million combined, the seventh generation sold more, and then the eight generation(Switch is pretty much a seventh gen console,) sold over 300 million.

These companies aren't desparate for sales like they were back in the 80s and 90s. Nintendo makes a first party game for around 20 million and they're making around a billion in gross profit for that one game(for a good majority of their games.) And that was at $60 each. Nintendo is unsatisfied with a billion in profit, they want 1.3 billion for the same exact sales selling the same exact product for the same exact costs.

Despite the fact though that I don't really even like many of Nintendo's first party games, Nintendo's greed just makes it so that not just their own brainwashed piece of shit fanbase get fucked over, nope, in their desparation for fucking their fanbase out of everything they own, they fuck everyone else over as well. So Nintendo games are going to $80, Microsoft games sare going to $80, Sony games are going to $80, Capcom, EA, Activision, Square Enix, etc, etc, etc. But it doesn't just end with third party AAA publishers who pretty much make dogshit now days anyways. Now that the AAA prices have increased all the indie prices are going to increase as well. LRG was fucking everyone by raising their prices but stopped after $35, well, now that prices are increasing to $80 you can be damn sure LRG is going to be pushing their prices to $45 or higher. And while there are some other publishers that are more reasonable, they're going to increase their prices as well. Indie games across the board digility, for those that don't collect any longer are going to be higher as well. Again, all this because Nintendo set a new maximum, meaning that there's going to be a new minimum, just like when Sony pushed games to $70 and you rarely see games sit at $20 any longer.

What's more ridiculous is that modern gaming prices are so out of control for such garbage that going back to retro collecting actually seems more affordable and cheap by comparison, depending on the console and by game.

I was pretty interested in getting the Switch 2, you can go back and read my posts prior to finding out about the pricing, the game key cards, the fact that Nintendo pretty much just wants to fuck everyone, give them money but ultimately leave you with nothing, so fuck the Switch 2. I'm certainly not buying it now.

Kirby Air Riders, more like Kirby Dick Riders amirite?

[Kid Fenris]

Most SNES games didn't cost $80, a lot of RPGs did, but cartridge games for consoles generally did cost more because of the format. Even before CDs though floppy discs and 3.5 disk games were usually around $20-$40, so no, games were not expensive back then as they are today.

You might want to adjust those numbers for inflation.

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

[kupomogli]

Inflation doesn't mean jack shit when these consoles are selling at a profit day one. The consoles back then despite "technically" being more today, were less profitable and were a loss at launch. The consoles were sold at a loss to gain on the back end when it comes to games being sold. So the inflation argument goes straight out the window when each console today is making money, the second they are purchased.

Again, as I stated, there are several hundred million people playing games today than compared to back then. Nintendo was worth $25 billion dollars back then, and according to "inflation" that would be $44 billion dollars today. Well, good thing inflation is bullshit because Nintendo is a $100 billion dollar company right now.

Inflation is an argument made up by corporate stooges who feel the need to advertise for their masters. Inflation is nothing more than an excuse for rising costs for goods and services that companies think they can funnel out of the consumers, If the consumers can't pay and they won't pay, then that's a loss to the company, so that really means that means $70 now on PS5 is $80 back on the SNES, because no one would be paying $200 per game and all of these companies would go out of business. You have to be willing to pay for the bullshit and since no one would be willing to pay, again, that makes the inflation argument pointless. So they're selling at a profit day one, making record breaking products, no one would buy them if they were charging inflated prices, etc. Inflation is a bullshit excuse.

Oh, and one more thing. If we were to use inflation as example, consoles and games have had a history of quickly dropping in price up to the last generation. Something which has stopped now with the arrival of limited print games holding their value, digital selling more and less physical media out on the market, etc, but aside from Nintendo first party games, consoles(including Nintendo consoles,) and games from all other publishers would be much cheaper within six months to a year. A $50 PS1 game at launch isn't a $50 PS1 game six months after launch, etc. And I could be wrong, but didn't Dark Stone, Spec Ops, and some others launch at $10? Maybe they just dropped in price that fast.

But again, just shows that inflation is bullshit and these price drops are because most people are unwilling to pay these launch day asking prices. I certainly won't ever buy a game for $70 and I haven't. I said it way back then when Sony increased the price, hell, I rarely buy shit for $60. Ys10 and that was a mistake, game is a piece of shit, and it was a piece of shit that I spent $60 on. Waste of fucking money. Coincidentally Ys9 was the last $60 game prior to Ys10.

[kupomogli]

I just noticed I had a pack of 24 AAA batteries and it made me think of a couple other things about how bullshit inflation is. Those batteries cost me less than $20. Despite most battery types being used less now days, the cost isn't just the same, the cost is cheaper. So 30 years later and batteries are cheaper than when I had to buy them for my Game Boy. If that doesn't already break the inflation bullshit lid there's more. Why are they so much cheaper when even less of them are being used now days, oh, that's right, in 30 years, there's been revisions and upgrades in how to make batteries better and cheaper.

With video games, new software has made the barrier to entry cheaper and easier to make video games, AI development does a lot of repetitive tasks that would normally need to be done with the use of people, and the annual income of the average programmer hasn't changed much in the past 30 years. So not only do people get paid relatively the same as they did 30 years ago in this line of business, the time that it would take to develop the same game 30 years ago would be nothing in comparison.

A good example of this would be the estimated cost of a game like Expedition 33 which a lot are throwing out is around six million. Final Fantasy 7 was $100 million and due to "inflation" would cost $200 million to create now, so it just confuses me that developers are able to achieve better results at far lower costs. You'll have to explain this to me because clearly I'm lost on this inflation bullshit, oh wait, no I'm not. Inflation is a bullshit excuse.

[Spartacus]

Is kupomogli ever happy? I wonder. :)
I plan on buying a Switch 2 someday despite not having any interest in portable gaming. I do not care for Nintendo's roster of characters nor do I appreciate it's family friendly style of game development. But I'm sure there will be exclusive third party Switch 2 games I will want to play. Damn exclusives and eveyone who supports them! :)
Nintendo of America claims they plan on experimenting with variable pricing. I don't care for price increases either, but it's perfectly within their right to try. I think Nintendo can count on families begrudgingly not wanting to disappoint the kids. If Xbox and Sony raise game prices too, we can at least count on the inevitable drop in a games price over time, rewarding patient gamers. How Nintendo is able to avoid discounting it's game prices, I've never understood. It really sucks to be a Nintendo loyalist, but they defensively claim the games are worth it.
Other Switch 2 things I don't understand is how an apparently region free console is region locked in Japan and priced substantially cheaper there than international versions.
The Key cards are pretty offensive too considering the cost difference between a dummy card with the buyer bearing the full cost of an internet download and a full game card with no difference in the game price. But I would rather own a Key card than a Code in a Box.


But again, just shows that inflation is bullshit and these price drops are because most people are unwilling to pay these launch day asking prices. I certainly won't ever buy a game for $70 and I haven't. I said it way back then when Sony increased the price, hell, I rarely buy shit for $60. Ys10 and that was a mistake, game is a piece of shit, and it was a piece of shit that I spent $60 on. Waste of fucking money. Coincidentally Ys9 was the last $60 game prior to Ys10.

I feel ya on Y's10. I bought the game on sale at Amazon for $40 April Fools day. Saw it in "Todays Deals" for $29 at Amazon last week. Today it was back up to $59. Funny how things work. Don't ask me anything about Y's though. I'm just collecting them for now.
I paid full price last week for Clair Obscur Expedition 33 PS5 because of all the mentions on the gaming sites I browse and was planning on actually playing the game immediately. But Amazon has delayed delivary until May 14th.
YIKES! Funny how things work out.:)

[Kid Fenris]

You'll have to explain this to me.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

[Tron 2.0]

Be wary if you want to hack a switch 2.
https://thatparkplace.com/nintendo-can-brick-your-switch-console-for-piracy/

[Osirus]

"Inflation doesn't exist because of this anecdote about a pack of batteries I bought."

Ok.

[Spartacus]

Be wary if you want to hack a switch 2.
https://thatparkplace.com/nintendo-can-brick-your-switch-console-for-piracy/

It would appear that illegal aliens have more rights in the US than Nintendo Switch 2 users will. Nintendo will become the Judge Dredd of the gaming industry. The Switch 2 will monitor the users activity and "report" suspicious behavior to Nintendo for judgement? I wonder how this information will be transmitted for users who choose not to connect their device to the internet. Will simply passing through internet hot spots automaticaly trigger the transfer of information without user consent? Does this mean that Nintendo expects the Switch 2 to rely heavily on game downloads, in effect forcing users to connect their device to the internet? That would certainly suprise all those who claimed Nintedo would be the last bastion of physical media.

I don't like electronic devices that spy on users, but I don't condemn Nintendo for trying to prevent piracy. To hell with "game preservationists" and all who support them :)

[kupomogli]

"Inflation doesn't exist because of this anecdote about a pack of batteries I bought."

Ok.

The point is, inflation doesn't exist, it's how much the companies can get away with charging the consumer. Do you think anyone would pay $100 for a video game? Some people would sure, but most people wouldn't and every single game would be a financial failure.

Covid was an excuse to increase prices, did the prices ever come down? No, they saw people were willing to pay these high prices for food and while food is a necessity, fast food and restaurants aren't, these prices didn't go down, they went up. Businesses were actually making more than they ever during Covid and because people are willing to pay more for the same product, they still increase the price and don't reduce it once the outbreak is clear.

Again, inflation is bullshit and anyone who believes it's not manufactured by businesses is just blind. The government's fair whatever bullshit act, lol, you can't even live off minimum wage. Eventually this world will be ran by businesses and everyone who doesn't already own property will only rent from large corporations. No one will own anything because eventually buying and reselling houses won't be as profitable as the long term financial gain of renting, buying up all the property so no one can purchase or build a home and build just apartment complex after apartment complex. Imo, that's how things are going to eventually happen, those science fiction settings like Blade Runner or Cyberpunk 2077. That's the future of most generations. Unfortunately, this is just first world problems because there are countries like this, but that's the direction everything is headed.

[Tron 2.0]

It would appear that illegal aliens have more rights in the US than Nintendo Switch 2 users will. Nintendo will become the Judge Dredd of the gaming industry. The Switch 2 will monitor the users activity and "report" suspicious behavior to Nintendo for judgement? I wonder how this information will be transmitted for users who choose not to connect their device to the internet. Will simply passing through internet hot spots automaticaly trigger the transfer of information without user consent? Does this mean that Nintendo expects the Switch 2 to rely heavily on game downloads, in effect forcing users to connect their device to the internet? That would certainly suprise all those who claimed Nintedo would be the last bastion of physical media.

I don't like electronic devices that spy on users, but I don't condemn Nintendo for trying to prevent piracy. To hell with "game preservationists" and all who support them :)

Right this update to there user agreement probably means the switch 2 isn't as secure as it's suppose to be.I guess nintendo being controlling as they are is trying to get ahead of it.

[kupomogli]

Final Fantasy Tactics remaster, another code in a box for Switch 2. Between key cards and code in a box, pretty pointless to even collect for Switch 2.

[Osirus]

The point is, inflation doesn't exist, it's how much the companies can get away with charging the consumer.

When you say something dumb it's best not to double-down on it.

[Gameguy]

Right this update to there user agreement probably means the switch 2 isn't as secure as it's suppose to be.I guess nintendo being controlling as they are is trying to get ahead of it.
It seems the Switch 2 has already been hacked within 4 hours of being launched. Not a serious type of hack, but it does suggest that the system is probably going to be fully hacked much sooner than expected.

[Tron 2.0]

It seems the Switch 2 has already been hacked within 4 hours of being launched. Not a serious type of hack, but it does suggest that the system is probably going to be fully hacked much sooner than expected.
Yeah i heard about the recent hacks for switch 2 it's no wonder nintendo updated it's user agreement.

[Niku-Sama]

i think the hackers are trying to trigger a legal battle with the lifeimte license to use the hardware thing i keep hearing about

i encourage this

[kupomogli]

On a positive note atleast this key card thing seems to be backfiring on publishers. Disgaea 7 Complete Edition is still sitting at 100%. Now it only moves in 25% increments, but do 25% of the copies have to sell before it movies, 1%, how many? Maybe if the real collector's keep putting pressure on these publishers and the publishers start getting upset at Nintendo Nintendo will finally do something to amend the whole key card bs at the very least.

Then Sony announced that they're making profit not making games and losing money through this live service bs and recently stated they're fully commited to do one big release a year while focusing on live service games. So whether it's Nintendo trying to push everyone into all digital or Sony sitting around with shoveling money into a furnace instead of actually trying to compete when ideally they should instead get off their asses and show why their console is worth owning than the just recently launched Switch 2.

My only hope is these companies who purchased key card versions of their games lose millions in profit, that their games not only bomb physically but digitally, as it's the only way that anything is going to happen. If these companies are more successful than they thought they'd be because these key cards pushed people into buying digital which I'm certain was Nintendo's intent on giving the publishers only two options, then nothing is going to happen, but if these companies suffer some massive financial loss there will be change. Then it'll actually make Switch 2 worth owning, until then, not going to bother.

[Gameguy]

It seems Nintendo is already bricking consoles when it detects people using MIG flash carts on it. It's really not a user friendly console so it's best to avoid it for the time being.

[Osirus]

Nah, really not upset that pirate losers are getting screwed over. Gonna stick with it.

[kupomogli]

Still 100% More like the never gonna sell edition.

https://store.nisamerica.com/products/disgaea-7-complete-ewwdo-edition

Also a new report that none of the launch titles are selling very well except for first party. That's a real surprise, the only people ever happy about Nintendo sales are indie devs. Nintendo owners just don't buy games unless it's either indie or exclusive. It's rare that a major publisher gets any interest from Nintendo owners yet they're constantly port begging despite never buying games.

[JSoup]

Do you think anyone would pay $100 for a video game? Some people would sure, but most people wouldn't and every single game would be a financial failure.

With GTA6's release just around the corner, we are literally about to find out.