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ShinobiMan
09-21-2003, 05:04 PM
Recently I was playing the Super Mario Allstars version of Super Mario 3. I was enjoying remembering the game. All the secrets, the music, the bonus games. Then I got the first level king, you know, the one that's been turned into a creature and you have to get his wand back.

Now, in the original NES game the king was turned into a dog... like, a Saint Bernard kinda dog. In the all stars version he is a snake. I never understood as to why these differences exist.

Was the snake in the japanese version of the original game and to make it more appealing in america they made it a dog?

Jorpho
09-21-2003, 07:19 PM
I wondered about that, but I've never read anything about creature changes at The Mushroom Kingdom (http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/tmk.shtml).

I just assumed that the snake was used to save space in the ROM (since it's the same snake sprite from SMB2).
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Querjek
09-21-2003, 07:23 PM
I just assumed that the snake was used to save space in the ROM (since it's the same snake sprite from SMB2).
I don't think that having the snake in one and the dog in the other would make a difference, because neither sprite is used again (At least I don't think they are).

Ed Oscuro
09-21-2003, 07:49 PM
I just assumed that the snake was used to save space in the ROM (since it's the same snake sprite from SMB2).
I don't think that having the snake in one and the dog in the other would make a difference, because neither sprite is used again (At least I don't think they are).

I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning. It makes every bit of difference, especially if neither is used again!

Snake and dog sprites mean this:
Snake + Dog sprites needed

Snake only means this:
Snake - Dog sprites

But do I really understand your comment? I'm not sure because of the way it's worded.

Seeing how the game was reprogrammed and enhanced, it's not that hard conceptually to leave out one set of sprites, since you'll be rebuilding the game from the ground up anyways and can't throw in a block of data from the old game.

ShinobiMan
09-21-2003, 09:31 PM
Well, in order to answer my question, I had to play through the game. I'm going through and saying "Hey! This creature isn't what he's supposed to be!" on a lot of the castles. Then, I beat the 7th world... you know, the pipe world, and who has the kind turned into here?

Yoshi.

It suddenly dawned on me that Nintendo must have decided to throw these new additions in the place of the old ones to add some new flavor, but to me, it only destroys the nostalgia. Yoshi wasn't introduced till Super Mario World!

Anyways, yes, I did play through the game from beginning to end... I'm better than I was at what I thought was my prime way back when I was 5! Heh. Man, this was one hell of a hard game. Honestly, using the whistles to warp is cheating. You don't experience the hardships of this game that way.

I proved to myself tonight, 9-21-03, that I CAN play through this game from beginning to end, making it look like a cake walk to my family along the way. (They don't know the mental labor I was going through the whole time!)

Well, enough of my bragging, the point of this thread was to get to the bottem of a mystery thats perplezed me for a decade and I finally solved it.

Dire 51
09-21-2003, 09:37 PM
I would have preferred Nintendo leaving the original transformations in instead of exchanging them for Yoshi and a bunch of SMB2 characters.