recent rarity list updates [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

RichD

10-05-2003, 09:17 PM

The following lists have been updated:

08/17/03
Guide addendum
08/24/03
Megadrive
09/06/03
pico
playstation
sega cd
09/20/03
cdi
10/03/03
sms
sms - euro
10/04/03
32x
discovery system
dragon 32
dreamcast
entex select a game
game gear
genesis
laseractive
n64
saturn
super famicom
snes
ti99-4a
10/05/03
3do

Keep up the great work Joe and all the others working on the lists.

hydr0x

10-06-2003, 07:10 AM

still missing a lot in the snes rumor mill, even some known prototypes, just look through the snes topics here in this forum, games like congo are missing

ragtime_tgs

10-06-2003, 02:04 PM

are there any plans on making a pal snes rarity list?

anagrama

10-06-2003, 02:31 PM

are there any plans on making a pal snes rarity list?

You offering? :)
I believe all systems are fair game, as long as there's anyone willing to put the time and effort into collating all the necessary data.

Incidently folks, a solid update to the PAL Megadrive list (now including rarities. Woo!) should be in the pipeline shortly. I'm currently logging thousands of European and antipodean auctions to make it as accurate as possible.
Here's a startling sneak peek: The most common game is Sonic, closely followed by Sonic 2. Whoda thunk it? ;)

Raccoon Lad

10-06-2003, 02:37 PM

Here's a startling sneak peek: The most common game is Sonic, closely followed by Sonic 2. Whoda thunk it? ;)

Hey, that's exactly the same case with the Master System in Europe/Australia!

hydr0x

10-06-2003, 04:12 PM

well, a pal snes list would be a lot of work because germany had own releases for about half of the games, and even spain, france, italy, benelux, skandinavia and the netherlands had their own releases with different boxes, different labels and often enough different languages to chose from....

anagrama

10-06-2003, 04:45 PM

Ruudos has a pretty good attempt at a Euro SNES list here (http://nesfountain.silius.net/txt/esneslist2.txt) which notes a lot of the regional variations. Doesn't seem to have been updated in a while though.

ragtime_tgs

10-07-2003, 07:08 AM

i would love to contribute to a list,sure.
however i just started collecting pal snes games.
where can i find that list from ruudos you mentioned?

anagrama

10-07-2003, 08:08 AM

There's a link in my post above.

ragtime_tgs

10-07-2003, 01:07 PM

k ;)
i found some games that are still missing from the list and l'll try to add some basic rarity info,but all my knowledge is based on how often a game appears on ebay germany so this probably wont be very accurate.
a friend of mine works at NOE but he told me there'd be no way to get ahold of information on how many copys of a game were produced,atleast not in his position ;)

anagrama

10-07-2003, 03:41 PM

I wouldn't really worry about rarities to begin with; an accurate release list should be enough of a primary target, and further details can be gradually added later.
I wasn't suggesting that you shoulder the whole responsibility yourself, since the PAL SNES catalogue is a fairly unwieldy beast, and for all I know it may be being worked on already. If you're thinking of attempting it I'd suggest contacting Ruudos, I think he's still around these parts...

badinsults

10-07-2003, 08:17 PM

I'm attempting to get high quality scans of every snes cart label variation, along with scans of the boards. If anyone wants to help with that, I will soon have a message board system for my website to help with that process. There is no better way to confirm regional variations than to have a picture of them.

hydr0x

10-08-2003, 06:39 AM

i can make some scans, mostly of german releases with the -NOE or -FRG code, though you'll might have to wait some time, my hd is fucked up, windows doesn't work, fdisk can't format the drive, only linux works :(

badinsults

10-08-2003, 12:54 PM

That is fine.

Ruudos

10-08-2003, 01:10 PM

The list at my site is indeed missing games, but I've a newer version of it on my hard disk. I'll put it online in a moment (at the same spot, so you could use the link in this topic).

and even spain, france, italy, benelux, skandinavia and the netherlands
Netherlands is already in the Benelux, but you know that ;)

All thes country codes aren't fun, and then there are also these re-releases.

hydr0x

10-08-2003, 01:20 PM

hehe of course i do know that ;)

but i think there was a benelux-code or was it only a Netherlands/France code

mh ruudos so you are responsible for the future pal snes list??? do u need some help with it? i would join you if u need help :)

Ruudos

10-08-2003, 01:33 PM

digitalpress

10-08-2003, 02:28 PM

No I'm not responsible for a PAL SNES list for DP anyways (is there a person who is?). However I think it's an excellent idea to team up.

There's a Holland ceode (HOL), mainly for games that got a French release in France, and Holland and Flanders got the English release (or in Lufia's case, the Dutch release)

PAL SNES people, JOIN US :evil:

Seriously, we're always looking for passionate people who are good at researching titles for their systems. As originally posted, you can see that several lists are updated each week, and the database itself gets added to every single day.

So please, if you're really interested, let me know. Ruudos - your list would make a great starting point and I can convert it into "The Guide" database format easily enough for you, but I won't do so without your permission.

Keep me posted, gang!

ragtime_tgs

10-08-2003, 05:56 PM

i just spend some time on updating ruudos list,(although its still far from beeing complete)
solved the region code issue a bit different,
added missing games,added some very basic rarity info for games
to get the rarity discussion started.
added pal prototype,pal sample and pal pirate section
and added info i personally find interesting.(special chips in game carts,
special box sets and stuff)
you can get it here http://type4.homeip.net/d4s/pal_snes.txt

digitalpress

10-08-2003, 05:59 PM

ragtime_tgs

10-08-2003, 06:04 PM

i didnt mean to lift his work,i just tried to contribute.

digitalpress

10-08-2003, 07:47 PM

i didnt mean to lift his work,i just tried to contribute.

I'm sure you have! But since our stuff is publicly posted all over the place I don't want to assimilate his work without getting permission. I'm glad to see that you've expanded on his work and I'm sure he is too!

Ruudos

10-09-2003, 06:55 AM

Great work!
I think it's best to work together, it would be nice if there were some people from France, Spain and Italy that could add to the list.

Submissions:

Dutch version of Lufia also came in big box with strategy guide.

I see you've also removed license codes that are on my list (for example the FAH and NOE codes from Spirou). Why's that?

Last, I don't know either what 'GPS' means, but I own the Yoshi's Island cart with this code.

ragtime_tgs

10-09-2003, 08:02 AM

i changed many region codes because the actual games are the same in the uk,ger,fra and esp version and the list is much easier to maintan and to browse that way.
of course its not 100% correct in most cases since many games only come in regional ukv/noe/fah/esp flavour and not as a eur version.
personally these region variants dont have a high priority for me as a collector,thats why i kicked them...
maybe the best thing would be to add additional region codes behind a single game entry and only create new entrys if the games name,rom or boxset actually differs
from the other versions.
like

Wolfenstein 3D Imagineer SNSP-6W-[UKV/ESP/FAH]

Lion King, The Virgin SNSP-ALKP-UKV
-Le Roi Lion Virgin SNSP-ALKP-FRA
-Der K�nig der L�wen Virgin SNSP-ALKP-NOE

oh and one thing i dont know about is the -1 in some game codes,i suspect this is the revision of the rom.i dont have any games with a -1,but you can easily verify this if you open up such a cart and look for the writing on the maskrom,it should say something like SPAL-XX-0 or SPAL-XX-1 where xx is the games license code and 0 or 1 is the rom revision.
could also mean something else however...
is it possible that your gps yoshis island cart was part of a set containing a snes and this game?(i dont know how the set is called)
what region is it from and is it any different from the other yoshis islands?
did you take a look inside?

hydr0x

10-09-2003, 08:44 AM

guys calm down, don't discuss that much about single games before we even decided if we join up and how the list format will be ;)

i would love to team up with you two :-P

this is what i suggest: Ruudos you should give joe your permission to use your list, than he will convert it into his database format and tell us how we can add/change things and give us what we need for it :)

after that anyone of us can change and/or add games to the list, we should agree on one format though before we start anything (i think the format it mainly given by joe though)

digitalpress

10-09-2003, 09:20 AM

this is what i suggest: Ruudos you should give joe your permission to use your list, than he will convert it into his database format and tell us how we can add/change things and give us what we need for it :)
h before we start anything (i think the format it mainly given by joe though)

I'm with you on that.

And fear not, our database is "tried and true", I'm sure you can work with it and it will "fit" your needs.

I've PM'ed Ruudos.

ragtime_tgs

10-09-2003, 10:02 AM

the games were just general suggestions for a possible format ;)
basically,everything that is easily editable/browsable is fine with me.

hydr0x

10-09-2003, 10:03 AM

sounds good, i hope this "project" will work :)

Ruudos

10-09-2003, 11:22 AM

I've given my permission :)

About Yoshi's Island, I bought my copy new back at the days here, but it was not ment for the Dutch market. The manual is English-only. I shall take a good look at the box and the manual, I don't have the tool to open the cart. But as Hydr0x said, let's discuss individual games later.

digitalpress

10-09-2003, 12:36 PM

OK, it's converted!

I need to know who to send this to: it will be the data file and the explanation of fields. The data file is in Excel format and is very easy to work with. It's best to keep this with one "owner", it can get very confusing when three people are working on the same section (trust me, I've been there). I'm assuming Ruudos will receive at this point.

I'd also like the three of you to email me with your name so I can properly credit you. Send this to digitalpress@email.com

Thanks again for your efforts!

hydr0x

10-09-2003, 01:15 PM

you're totally right, 3 people working on one file doesn't work at all, at least not if everyone has his own file, working online on one file is another thing ;)

ehm, you already should have my full name as i'm credited in the US-SNES and JAP-SNES list, but here we go again: "Jan Baart"

but joe, could you pls also send me the files, i will not update them or whatever , i just want to know how they exactly look and work so i can better understand if Ruudos can do what i suggest ;)

my e-mail: janbaartATgmx.net

hydr0x

10-09-2003, 01:55 PM

btw @ruudos, my aim and icq are at the bottom of my post, you should add me to your contacts, that could help us a bit ;) i won't be online to much though in the next days, cause i've got to kill my master-boot-record and install everything again, my hd is totally fucked up

one other thing: I do speak dutch if you prefer this to english, though my english is better.

hydr0x

10-09-2003, 01:56 PM

i will also have msn as soon as windows is installed again, i only do have aim/icq clients under linux ;)

ragtime_tgs

10-09-2003, 03:31 PM

here are my details:
matthias nagler
icq:60821104
email:sufamiheinz@web.de

Ruudos

10-09-2003, 04:17 PM

My details

Name: Ruud Stolze
E-mail: ruudosATkabelfoon.nl
MSN: ruudosAThotmail.com
AIM: Ruudos

@ DigitalPress, you can send the file to me.

@ Hydr0x, I'm pleasantly surprised that you know Dutch, but I think it's best to communicate in English (unless you really want to use Dutch).

hydr0x

10-09-2003, 04:57 PM

great :) seems as if things are getting started ;)

@ruudos, my dad was born in rotterdam (YES, i'm half dutch @_@ ) that's why i speak dutch, i also have some relatives in that region

i will check my snes collection for missing codes now ;)

Ruudos

10-10-2003, 10:11 AM

@ ragtime_tgs, I noticed that you changed the code from all games that were FAH, UKV, SCN< NOE to EUR. Do you own these actual EUR-carts? Not every game has an EUR-version.

BTW, should we add box and manual codes too?

hydr0x

10-10-2003, 10:50 AM

i'd say YES, cause a german release of let's say Super Mario Kart is totally different from the uk release, even if it would have the same cart with choosable languages

it's the same with the Super Classic Serie (like Players choice today), it has completly different box and manual, so it should also be listed, although the cart was/is the same as in the original release

Ruudos

10-10-2003, 01:28 PM

I'm wondering how's this done with the PAL NES listing, or isn't anyone working on a PAL NES listing?

digitalpress

10-10-2003, 01:33 PM

I'll have the file in your hands this weekend, fellas.

digitalpress

10-13-2003, 05:34 PM

here are my details:
matthias nagler
icq:60821104
email:sufamiheinz@web.de

Your e-mail bounced: sufamiheinz@web.de

hydr0x

10-14-2003, 06:03 AM

tsss *g*

thx for the mail, i received it :)

ragtime_tgs

10-14-2003, 12:06 PM

sufamiheinz@gmx.de

Ruudos

10-14-2003, 01:48 PM

I've also received it.

ragtime_tgs

10-28-2003, 10:22 AM

has anyone already started putting some more work into the list?
i've about 70 boxed games here now and still about 30 on my hard-to-get list.
i havent started to look futher into the region variants.
another problem i have with these variants is that games with a regional code(ukv) were also sold in other regions sometimes.
an example is fun n games:
here in germany,it was officially sold with an euro multi-language box and instructions,but the cart itself has an ukv-code on it.
no,i wasnt trying to discuss individual games,i was just trying to get my point across.

digitpress: i havent received anything yet.

Ruudos

10-29-2003, 12:42 PM

I corrected a lot of stuff (changing many EURs to UKV, SCN, etc. since it seemed it was just changed into EUR without knowing if that cart with the exact code exists (I'm pretty sure that there isn't an EUR-cart of Killer Instinct). Plus listing all cart variations will probably help to determine the rarity.
I also know why many FAH-carts has '-1' behind, this is because the label is different than the NOE-version. For example, Super Mario World (FAH-1) has a yellow label, while the NOE-cart's label is black.
I've also added some new titles (for some reason some games were left out that were in my original list), latest addition is "We're Back!: A Dinosaur's Story" which I saw on ebay yesterday.
I've also added some ratings from game magazines and developer info, changed some publishers too (don't confuse these with distributors).

badinsults

10-29-2003, 12:51 PM

I corrected a lot of stuff (changing many EURs to UKV, SCN, etc. since it seemed it was just changed into EUR without knowing if that cart with the exact code exists

I don't know if that is a safe assumption to make.

Plus listing all cart variations will probably help to determine the rarity.
I also know why many FAH-carts has '-1' behind, this is because the label is different than the NOE-version. For example, Super Mario World (FAH-1) has a yellow label, while the NOE-cart's label is black.

I have found with -1 releases (and -2 releases) here in North America, it is because it is a second release. If there was a -1 release, chances are there is a normal release.

ragtime_tgs

10-29-2003, 01:31 PM

yeah,defaulting to eur indeed wasnt a very good choice.
can you send me your most recent list?

hydr0x

10-29-2003, 03:54 PM

Ruud have you added everything i send you? joe, you said you could compile the current list (ruud should send you his latest update) into pdf format, but i haven't received anything yet, as i said that would help me a lot :)

Ruudos

10-29-2003, 04:58 PM

I don't know if that is a safe assumption to make.
I should have said 'changed it back'.

I've added everything I've received and added the games that were deleted I'll send the updated file this weekend.

BTW, hydr0x, could you check your Mega Man 7 for publisher. Did Laguna really publish the game, or was it the distributor (or both). This stuff can be quite confusing sometimes.

hydr0x

10-29-2003, 05:21 PM

info about my (complete) Mega Man 7:

box/manual/cart : SNSP-A7RP-EUR

languages: German, English, French

Distributed in France by Ludi Media, 28 rue Armand Carrel, 93556 Montreuil Cedex

Distributed in England by Marubeni, Sanki Corporation, 120 Moorgate, London EC2M 6SS

Distributed in Germany by Laguna Videospiele Vetriebs & Marketing GmbH, Am S�dpark 12, 65415 Kelsterbach

i can't find any info on who is the publisher on the box and manual, what i could do is check my gaming mags... this would take a while (probably weekend)

The Laguna logo (always together with Capcom logo ) is everywhere (box, manual and cart cover)

i hope this helped you a bit :-/ i'll check my mags if u want, but i'd prefer not to check them, as i'm planning to read through all mags to find more unreleased or missing games, proto pics, game infos, whatever, i need the pdf version of the latest update though before i start this...

Ruudos

10-31-2003, 12:55 PM

The publisher's name/logo is always shown in the game itself, isn't it?

hydr0x

10-31-2003, 01:25 PM

do u mean on the cart or while playing the game? as i said on the cart are the capcom and the Laguna logo

i'll check the rom.... ah damn idsa protected :p have to check the original game then... or have i dumped it? ah no haven't :(

i'll check it this weekend, i think i'll start going through all my mags too, to find new info about pal snes games ;) (could you perhaps send me the latest .xls of yours, or better @joe could you send me the latest pdf version?)

Joohan

10-01-2004, 07:08 AM

NEWBEE Q

The following lists have been updated:

08/24/03
Megadrive

Keep up the great work Joe and all the others working on the lists.

Where can I fond the rarity list?

anagrama

10-01-2004, 07:34 AM

NEWBEE Q

The following lists have been updated:

08/24/03
Megadrive

Keep up the great work Joe and all the others working on the lists.

Where can I fond the rarity list?

It's in the Online Rarity Guide - click 'Genesis' & 'Non-US Releases', then search.