Zelda All-Stars for Gamecube!! [Archive]

Ed Oscuro

10-08-2003, 01:31 PM

I have all the original games. I want the bonus disc. I shouldn't have to go buy it on eBay at all. I guess this is my punishment for being a devoted Nintendo consumer and buying the GCN on launch day.

No kidding...or how about "No SHIT, man." Yipes, this is just bad. I might get it myself, but for christ's sake I bought the GameCube + GameBoy Player bundle a while back.

Oh, and that one was good, too...I went to the store knowing that even EUROPE got a nice box that held both the GameCube and a color-matched GBP, only slightly less nice looking than the boxes sold in Japan. No...here we have to sell off those surplus GameCube units that've been sitting around since launch.

You know...screw it. This is not ethical business. I feel more comfortable with the systems with all the bloody murder-for-fun games...because that's just play. This is real life, and this is real money that somebody will have to spend on an extra GameCube. It's insane.

SoulBlazer

10-08-2003, 03:21 PM

I think Nintendo will change their mind and sell the game seperatly, or at least we'll see it in places like EB by itself afterwards, like I do with the GC version of OoT.

Sylentwulf

10-08-2003, 03:25 PM

No zelda - a Link to the past, because they're releasing four-swords as a gamecube title for $50, or so I've heard.

Now THAT is shooting yourself in BOTH feet.

Ed Oscuro

10-08-2003, 03:49 PM

Yes, Four Swords will be a GameCube title. Egh.

They shouldn't have to dredge the bottom of the barrel for GC games. Sony may be disgusting for not allowing 2D games to sell on their system...but Nintendo shouldn't have to re-release decade-plus old games for their system.

YoshiM

10-08-2003, 04:00 PM

Okay, I can see selling systems bundled with existing software. They're not really screwing existing fans as the games are readily available for separate purchase. I can also see getting special treats for pre-ordering a game, ala Wind Waker. But something like this I feel is a slap in the face of the Nintendo faithful. It can force the gamer to ask "do I wait to get a new Gamecube and maybe something cool will come down the pike or should I just buy it now and enjoy the new games now".

Bratwurst: like sisko I too have all of the games on the disc except MM. However I would like to play those games without having to dig out my NES. Also I have no idea how long the batteries on my carts are going to last so the saving to memory cards is also very appealing. And I'm a sucker for good compilations.

Soulblazer: true places like EB will probably have copies that were traded in but they will probably up the price of them. The OoT/Master Quest disc goes for $34.99 at my local EB and I'll bet a similar price would be put on this new compilation disc.

All we can really do is maybe beg Nintendo to ship the disc separately.

Drexel923

10-08-2003, 04:31 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they also offer this as a pre-order bonus for the Four Swords GC. Either way we'll probably see it being sold seperately at Best Buy/ Circuit City like they did with the Preview Disc.

neotokeo2001

10-08-2003, 04:52 PM

Nintendo needs to sell Gamecubes, and the Zelda name will make that happen.

If you really want the Zelda Disc without buying a Gamecube, e-mail Nintendo and give them a sob story about being a loyal Nintendo fan. Thats how I got a copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga from Sega back when it did'nt ship 1 copy to my area(For Free). You could also make friends with your local Videogame Store clerks. I have 6 EB's within 20 miles of where I live and I know all the managers by name.( I Know, That's sad.) I have a job where I travel all over the county and I just make the rounds. I have recieved a lot of good deals and rare games by just being friendy.

I met one guy who mentiioned how much he missed his Turbografx and I gave him a Turbo plus 5 common games. I've known him for 5 years now and I get free magazines, He's held 4 Dragonball Z's for me and he gets any demo disc and freebie to me that he can. He's a good friend now and he has an excellent Turbo collection and I have a great inside source.

Ohh Yeah, back to the Zelda Disc. I guess everyone would be happier if Nintendo just did'nt make it.

Other examples:

X-Box - Came out with 2 Free Sega games 1 month after I got an X-box

Sony - Thats right Sony does'nt give out anything for free. I just get to keep buying the same system over again when it breaks.

Nintendo - Free Demo Disc and Free Game

And that's just this generation.

bigdaddychester

10-08-2003, 04:53 PM

neotokeo2001

10-08-2003, 05:02 PM

Not to get off subject here, but how many preview discs have been released to the public. I know of the one with the Ocarina of Time, the Viewtiful Joe, and the Star Wars demo but are there any others?

Resident Evil?
The new Mario Kart Bonus Demo Disc
Any others??

On Gamecube not that many. Nintendo never used to have Demo Disc or Bonus Disc. The Bonus Disc could easily have been sold as seperate games at retail.

hezeuschrist

10-08-2003, 05:14 PM

So when are the cubes gonna start shipping with these discs? I know I'll be buying one no matter what.

neotokeo2001

10-08-2003, 05:18 PM

So far this is all the info available from IGN:

October 06, 2003 - Earlier this year, rumors ran rampant that Nintendo would release another Legend of Zelda bonus disc (similar to the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time pre-order bonus) that would contain several of the classic titles. But with no confirmation from Nintendo the rumors were discredited and all prospects of a Zelda compilation disc were forgotten.

However, Nintendo has recently released artwork to retailers depicting a Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition disc. The disc will feature The Legend of Zelda, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, and a demo of The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker. From the available artwork, it looks like this disc will be included as a pack in with new GameCubes, although we hope we'll also see it as a bonus for those who order The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords. While it most likely will be a straight port much like the Ocarina of Time disc, this is still a must have treat for all Zelda fans.

We'll update you with release date and how exactly to obtain as a copy as soon as the information is released.

ManekiNeko

10-08-2003, 05:25 PM

Bundle only disc.

Nintendo has just screwed me for the last time.

Go to hell Nintendo, I'm a Sony man now.

Let me get this straight... you're tired of getting screwed, so you're going to support SONY instead? That logic is just a little flawed, don'cha think?
"Metal Slug 3? Who needs that? We'll just release another extreme dirt bike game with hookers instead!"

JR

RetroYoungen

10-08-2003, 05:31 PM

I'll be honest, I'm not a big Zelda person, but this is just cruel and unusual. Nintendo needs to realize that they've built up quite the fanbase, because now they're just working to tear down all the hard work that CREATED that fanbase.

hezeuschrist

10-08-2003, 07:08 PM

Eh, calm down guys. Nothing solid yet.

kai123

10-08-2003, 07:49 PM

You know the Gamecube is only $100 so just buy the system and keep the disc. Then sell the system on ebay.

Lady Jaye

10-08-2003, 08:30 PM

The worst thing is that Nintendo could eventually sell more copies of the compilation if they sold it at a low price (say, $30 US for the whole thing).

Anyways, I think I might as well just buy a used N64 and copies of Majora's Mask, Mario 64 and Paper Mario (and maybe Perfect Dark).

Stamp Mcfury

10-08-2003, 08:39 PM

Man that woud be nice with the new $99 GC price and the Zelda game I might have to break down and get me one.

Plus they might have the game available for sale too (not just as a bundle). It would seem to be pretty stupid for them not to.

Achika

10-08-2003, 09:41 PM

I haven't gotten jack-diddly as a faithful nintendo drone since I got my sytem on release day. :angry: No coupons, no bonus disks, no free demos, etc. I think I should be given a right to buy this game seperate rather than buy a whole other console that I don't need.

hezeuschrist

10-08-2003, 09:50 PM

Can one of you Gamestop employees kindly inform me how much return you give for Gamecubes?

Slipdeath

10-08-2003, 10:10 PM

man, while reading this topic i just felt like looking at my gamecube box, and guess what my momma threw away all my system boxes :(

Anonymous

10-09-2003, 04:55 AM

If you really want the Zelda Disc without buying a Gamecube, e-mail Nintendo and give them a sob story about being a loyal Nintendo fan.
Um, please don't. As for all the other comments, I'm as appalled at Nintendo's actions as everyone else is.

NvrMore

10-09-2003, 07:44 AM

lord knows I shouldn't be posting in this topic but I've really got to be missing something here..

Nintendo announces new Zelda bonus disk and as yet has only indicated that it will be released as part of a pack-in/incentive with a gamecube system, however as yet the details of the disk's availability are as yet unconfirmed.

Now, if it's just released as a incentive/bonus for buying a new sys.. why exactly would/could anyone demand that they be able to buy it separately for a bargain-bin price?

I mean, I can understand people wanting the disk, I'm as big a fan of the Zelda games as anyone.. but I don't have any delusions that I would be any more entitled to something because it's now included with a new console bundle.

It's not like I expect to be able to buy games on the PS2, Xbox or gamecube for a huge dicount price because those games are in a new bundle deal.

It's not expected that when a system's price drops that everyone who bought the system prior be given a full refund of the difference for being "loyal fans" and buying the sys when it came out or was in the first half of it's lifecycle.

It's not expected that when a sys starts selling with a free pheripheral or game at the price you paid for just the system, that you be given the item for free or at a huge discount.

Newer models of console's come with improved hardware or upgraded specs, yet it's not expected that Sony, MS or Nintendo send the cust a new model in return for their old one free of charge.

So, why is it that because Nintendo may be relasing this compilation as a pack-in with a cube, as a free bonus for buying the sys, that it's a huge betrayal to the "loyal fans" (which in the majority of cases is an absurd title which is only hoisted when someone believes they're entitled to something for nothing).

Fuck a bonus disk, I want $150 back from Sony, a better model of PS2 (I can't get that without getting a new sys) and a rebate on any of the games that have been bundled with the sys which I paid full price for.
I want a rebate on the for the difference between the Xbox opening price and it's current price, PLUS a whole shitload of free games which they started packing with it AND one of those flashier models they released (maybe a hulk one) which I can't get without buying a new sys and which I couldn't get when the box was released.
Likewise, I want a free gameboy player from Nintendo AND a platinum model console in exchange for mine (cos' they weren't available when I bought mine) AND a rebate on any of the games I've bought which can now be bought in bundle deals.

Damn!.. all the system manufacturers have been bitch-slapping "loyal fans" in the face faster and more repeatedly than a six-armed goddess. Ethical business my arse!

x_x

YoshiM

10-09-2003, 09:12 AM

NvrMore: the point of people's complaints is not the fact that the Cube has a bundle. Practically every corporate decided bundle pack included games or hardware you could readily get separately. It's pretty much accepted that if you are an early adopter you are going to lose out money when the machine gets cheaper to manufacture and the bundle packs start to come out. When it comes to pre order goodies you've got the option to either pre order and get the goodies or not. You've already got the cube and if you are already going to get the game that has this bonus it's up to you to take advantage of it.

Now with the specialized Zelda disc it's now the opposite. You CAN'T get this separately (so far), it's not a bonus with the pre order of a game (so far) and you can ONLY get it with the purchase of a GameCube (again, so far). Is it wrong to feel slighted when you've paid full price for their product and carried the torch for their company and then see some new user scoop up a system and get special treatment that I can't have?

Now if the disc were available for sale but still bundled I'd be happy. I'd be happy for the new GC owners as they are getting a good system and some of the best games ever for a helluva deal.

Lasermouse

10-09-2003, 09:20 AM

Found this on gameindustry.biz this morning, things are looking up for the Gamecube, but like it says, whether this initial momentum keeps going is the question.... interesting that they say the GCN may actually end up outselling the Xbox this season - perhaps we should be speculating on how long Microsoft will be able to take these losses, instead of how soon we'll be playing Mario on the PS2 :)

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GameCube outsells PS2 in the USA following pricecut

Rob Fahey 11:04 09/10/2003
Ninty takes both gold and silver, but how long will it last?

Nintendo has shot to the top of the class in America, with the GameCube outselling the PS2 by 20 per cent to become the best selling home console in the USA last week following a price reduction in late September.

According to a statement from Nintendo of America, the Cube was the second biggest selling console in the country (after the Game Boy Advance, which consistently outsells all of the home consoles) for the week ended October 4th.

This achievement saw it outselling the PlayStation 2 by a 20 per cent margin, and racking up more than twice the sales of the Xbox - with a 145 per cent lead over Microsoft's console.

How long this situation will last is another question - we'd expect to see the console slip behind the PS2 in the rankings next week, at the very least. However, there's a strong possibility that unless Microsoft reacts to the recent price-cuts, it could be outsold by the Cube this Christmas in the USA, as Nintendo rolls out one of its strongest ever ranges of first and third party titles.

MarioAllStar2600

10-09-2003, 09:33 AM

Although this sounds cool im rather dissapointed that it's only in the bundle. THIS SUCKS!

sisko

10-09-2003, 10:16 AM

NvrMore

10-09-2003, 11:35 AM

Now with the specialized Zelda disc it's now the opposite. You CAN'T get this separately (so far), it's not a bonus with the pre order of a game (so far) and you can ONLY get it with the purchase of a GameCube (again, so far). Is it wrong to feel slighted when you've paid full price for their product and carried the torch for their company and then see some new user scoop up a system and get special treatment that I can't have?

But, you see it's no different to the "special" models of console's that are released later in a system's life. People paid full price for what is now considered the "normal" or "standard" model of a console, then later on the company releases a new version which may be considered "cooler", flashier or even technically better than the original model.
Now pricing aside, the original torch bearers are losing out because in respect the new users are getting special treatment in that they are given more and (usually) better options than previously available and are generally getting all the bells and whistles which the original users couldn't get and can't get without buying a new console.

Whether it be a new pink, blue, green or platinum model of console or a new model which has components built in which the first wave consumers had to buy separately and as such are stuck with using as external components instead of the nice new compact version, the case is exactly the same. No matter which way you look at it the new users are given special treatment which more often than not is not available to the original consumer base.

limited edition consoles, games, higher priced "special" versions of a game or hardware available after the item's original release, region specific releases and bonuses. They'll all be (and are) available to some users and not to others, regardless of how loyal they were and how long they've been bearing the torch.

People can't always get everything they decide they want, it's a fact of the market and 99.99% of people simply turn a blind eye to it, yet with regard to a simple bonus disk, which in comparison is trivial (and I'm a HUGE Zelda fan), people suddenly have the belief that a tremendous and unheard of crime is being committed.

Now if the disc were available for sale but still bundled I'd be happy. I'd be happy for the new GC owners as they are getting a good system and some of the best games ever for a helluva deal.

Indeed, it would be nice if it were available via other means (I'd be happy), however lets be honest for a moment, with regard to people's attitude towards this, a simple freebie, it's a no win situation.

If N give it away with a game as a pre-order bonus, then all we have is the exact same "issue" as we are dscussing now because whatever the game is that they give the disk away with, there will be some who don't want to buy the game and as such can't get the disk.. thus much complaining and talk of betrayal ensues.

If N sell the disk, even at a discount price, they will be accused of rehashing old titles to sell on the system (see this thread for e.g.) even though the disk was created as a bonus freebie, so by trying to appease those who want the disk and giving them the option to buy it they end up being condemned and critisised for doing just that.

Oobgarm

10-09-2003, 12:00 PM

Trade in the bundle Cube to get $$ off, buy bundle, keep game. Last I checked we were giving like $60 for the Cube in trade. I'd pay $40 for the disc.

I do agree that the tactic sucks, however.

sisko

10-09-2003, 12:36 PM

If N give it away with a game as a pre-order bonus, then all we have is the exact same "issue" as we are dscussing now because whatever the game is that they give the disk away with, there will be some who don't want to buy the game and as such can't get the disk.. thus much complaining and talk of betrayal ensues.

Kind of.

Giving a game away as a pre-order bonus for another game, and giving a game away with a purchase of the entire system are two entirely different things.

A pre-order bonus is a method of rewarding the early adopter of the new game. If Nintendo gave a preorder bonus when the console launched it would be the same. The fact of the matter is that Nintendo is releasing a game that you can only (so far) get by purchasing a brand new system more than a year after it launches and are hereby awarding the late buyers of the console.

In addition, I personally think its quite different to ask someone to pay $50 to get a bonus game, than it is to ask for $100.

I could trade in my existing cube and get the bundle pack for $40, but the point is that I shouldn't have to. Besides, just think how much money Nintendo could make if they sold the game seperately for say, $19.99

hezeuschrist

10-09-2003, 01:29 PM

Or even if you do get it as a pre-order bonus, I don't know of any stores that would tell you that you can't change your mind. You get the disc when you pre-order, come back later use the credit for something else, I've done it a thousand times.

Being offered ONLY as a bundle is a shady way to sell systems and will ultimately hurt nintendo in the long run. All of us here willing to pay $40 for the disc will rush out, buy the new bundle and sell off the extra cube. This will create a rather large surpluss of used cubes, and nintendo will soon be hard pressed to sell any of the new systems with so many 'used' ones floating around that will most likely be taken out of the box and directly handed back to the store clerk.

Stamp Mcfury

10-09-2003, 07:01 PM

Trade in the bundle Cube to get $$ off, buy bundle, keep game. Last I checked we were giving like $60 for the Cube in trade. I'd pay $40 for the disc.

I do agree that the tactic sucks, however.

This is why I think that there probably going to sell the game in another form than a pack in. They lose money when they sell the consoles. They do that in the hope they make it back and then some selling games. Why would they want people to buy a 2nd system when they already have one?

I'm sure if alot of people Emailed Nintendo and said they would buy the game if it were sold seperate they'd see the logic in it.

NvrMore

10-10-2003, 08:35 AM

Apologies for the quote disection, it just seems the best way to address the post here.

Giving a game away as a pre-order bonus for another game, and giving a game away with a purchase of the entire system are two entirely different things.

Not really. In the end, if the customer is determined/focussed on getting that bonus disk, then given to the possibility that they may not want the game that the disk is being given away with they are in turn still left in a position in which they are being "denied" access to that disk unless they shell out money for something they don't want.

A pre-order bonus is a method of rewarding the early adopter of the new game. If Nintendo gave a preorder bonus when the console launched it would be the same.

But even if N or any other company had given away a bonus disk with a sys pre-order (let's say the OoT/MQ disk) then this exact same situation would still occur when they pulled out a new bonus disk for a new bundle.

It's the same with later console variants and promotional offers. Realistically buying ANY system early is a trade off. New products and offers become available later in a system's lifecycle and everything cannot arrive all at once.

The fact of the matter is that Nintendo is releasing a game that you can only (so far) get by purchasing a brand new system more than a year after it launches and are hereby awarding the late buyers of the console.

Yep, just like Sony are updating the PS2 hardware and including extras which earlier buyers had to buy separately, and like MS include a vast amount of extras which early users didn't have and how all of the console manufacturers release flashy looking and/or limited edition variants of their sytems etc.

It's all incentive to attract new customers to the systems and get them to part with their moolah. In respect the bonus disk is positively insignificant in comparision to rewards which are (and always have been) offered to later buyers.

In addition, I personally think its quite different to ask someone to pay $50 to get a bonus game, than it is to ask for $100.

But you don't pay $50 - $100 just to get a bonus disk.. that's just crazy. Bear in mind that the bonus disk isn't the meat of your purchase, it's the free bonus, an extra, like the toy in your box of cereal.

They're not asking you to pay $50 - $100 for the disk, they're offering the disk as a free bonus to anyone who decides to spend that money on a certain product.

It's not a product, it's a bonus/incentive, an extra, the dressing on the side of the plate. You don't order a 5 course meal just to get the after dinner mint.

Besides, just think how much money Nintendo could make if they sold the game seperately for say, $19.99

But they couldn't do that simply for the reason that they would be accused of rehashing old titles to sell on a system.

Look at some of the reactions on this thread, N are only trying to give the games away for free as a bonus and people are literally gagging to jump on them with accusations of rehashing titles (even though people want them). Can you imagine what the shit storm kicked up would be like if N tried to sell the disk.. even if for just $5 @_@

Sadly it's a case of the gamers shooting themselves in the foot. As much as many of them would, like yourself, love to be able to buy such a disk, they can't because in the same breath they're so eager to critisise such an action/offering by N.. it's a double edged sword.

Mayhem

10-10-2003, 09:38 AM

NvrMore

10-10-2003, 10:12 AM

Erm, I see where you're coming from but without getting into the whole merits and drawbacks of pre-ordering schemes, it still centers around the point that the pre-order bonus is still not a freely acquirable (is that a word) product, it's still only a bonus with a particular product so based on the point that it's still only intended to be available if X product is purchased then the situation is still the same in that someone is expected to buy something to get the disk.

Sorry if that sounds like I'm ducking the point but I'm really trying not to derail the thread and I'd probably have to dig into the whole pre-ordering schemes subject to address the point properly.

Fair point though.

On a side note, you're right, we do get the shaft with regard to pre-order schemes and waiting for the bonus :o

YoshiM

10-10-2003, 10:16 AM

I also apologize for the Ginzuing of the following:

Apologies for the quote disection, it just seems the best way to address the post here.

Giving a game away as a pre-order bonus for another game, and giving a game away with a purchase of the entire system are two entirely different things.

Not really. In the end, if the customer is determined/focussed on getting that bonus disk, then given to the possibility that they may not want the game that the disk is being given away with they are in turn still left in a position in which they are being "denied" access to that disk unless they shell out money for something they don't want.

Really, what's the percentage of people who just want the bonus disk over the new game it's helping to promote? If the person didn't want the new game, what's the reason to get the bonus disk except to hock it on Ebay? If the bonus is in the same vein as the Wind Waker/OoT promotion then if you think you won't like Wind Waker then you probably won't like OoT or the Master Quest as they play the same. Even then many stores only require a small down payment ($5 or $10) that allows you to get the bonus disk with no obligation to actually get the game you just reserved. At worst if the store does require a full payment you could probably return the main game at that time as you never opened it.

The fact of the matter is that Nintendo is releasing a game that you can only (so far) get by purchasing a brand new system more than a year after it launches and are hereby awarding the late buyers of the console.

Yep, just like Sony are updating the PS2 hardware and including extras which earlier buyers had to buy separately, and like MS include a vast amount of extras which early users didn't have and how all of the console manufacturers release flashy looking and/or limited edition variants of their sytems etc.

It's all incentive to attract new customers to the systems and get them to part with their moolah. In respect the bonus disk is positively insignificant in comparision to rewards which are (and always have been) offered to later buyers.

True that offers of new cases and such are offered to stimulate cash flow (the N64 is a perfect example of this approach) that doesn't affect functionality. I'm not up on the latest PS2 technology but like you said, these items were included SEPARATELY before. So the only thing the launch-date adopters lose is probably money but there again many of these people usually accept this. Again the issue is new users are getting something that original purchasers are unable to get without the purchase of another system. The PS2 and Xbox examples you list are offering bundles for items that readily available to everyone separately either through purchase (games, hard drives, whatever) or download (like the Xbox Live new dashboard or Xbox Live kit).

Besides, just think how much money Nintendo could make if they sold the game seperately for say, $19.99

But they couldn't do that simply for the reason that they would be accused of rehashing old titles to sell on a system.

Look at some of the reactions on this thread, N are only trying to give the games away for free as a bonus and people are literally gagging to jump on them with accusations of rehashing titles (even though people want them). Can you imagine what the shit storm kicked up would be like if N tried to sell the disk.. even if for just $5 @_@

Sadly it's a case of the gamers shooting themselves in the foot. As much as many of them would, like yourself, love to be able to buy such a disk, they can't because in the same breath they're so eager to critisise such an action/offering by N.. it's a double edged sword.

Ahhhh, but they are ALREADY being ribbed for rehashing old games with this bonus disk. If they are trying to maintain an image, it isn't working. I can't recall a shit storm when the OoT/MQ disc was available. In fact IIRC people were quite happy to play a classic game with somewhat improved visuals and an additional harder quest.

lionforce

10-10-2003, 12:24 PM

Hmmmm, after reading this thread, I Can now understand why Nintendo is posting its first loss.......... ;)

calthaer

10-10-2003, 06:58 PM

The best way to express your dissatisfaction with this (and probably our best hope for seeing this released as a non-bundled item) is to send an email to Nintendo's general comments address:

nintendo@noa.nintendo.com

or even to write a snail-mail letter.

Otherwise we're just jibber-jabbering about it here where NOA possibly / probably can't hear our pleading crying wailing voices.

NvrMore

10-11-2003, 07:49 AM

Really, what's the percentage of people who just want the bonus disk over the new game it's helping to promote? If the person didn't want the new game, what's the reason to get the bonus disk except to hock it on Ebay?

Look at some of the reactions in this thread, some people are seriously talking as though they would buy an entire system just to get the bonus freebie.

The point people seem to be getting riled at is that in order to get the bonus disk they would have to shell out for something they don't want. Likewise if the bonus disk were bundled with a new release then it's only realistic to assume that there will be people who only want the bonus disk and not the game that it's given away with, so just as you have people who consider buying a new system just to get the disk you would also have people who in turn would buy a game they didn't want just to get the bonus disk.

e.g. disk is budled with, let's say, Mario Party 5. There would be a lot of people who didn't want to buy MP5 because it's not their thing whereas they still want the bonus disk.

Even then many stores only require a small down payment ($5 or $10) that allows you to get the bonus disk with no obligation to actually get the game you just reserved. At worst if the store does require a full payment you could probably return the main game at that time as you never opened it.

Ahh, but then that's essentially advocating ripping off the company giving away the bonus disk.

From a business point of view N or any other developer couldn't advocate such an action because it would be a case of the old double edged sword.. on the plus side you'd be appeasing the wanna-have's but on the flip-side you'd be royally fucking yourself in terms of pre-orders and sales because you'd be swamped with bogus pre-orders and returns just because people want to con a cheap pre-order offer.

Again the issue is new users are getting something that original purchasers are unable to get without the purchase of another system. The PS2 and Xbox examples you list are offering bundles for items that readily available to everyone separately either through purchase (games, hard drives, whatever) or download (like the Xbox Live new dashboard or Xbox Live kit).

But they're not, the newer model systems with the built-in pheripheral devices result in original users not only having paid more but also being left stuck with additional components whereas the new users have it all in one, hence original users can't get that without forking out for a new sys.

The new model/limited edition/special edition consoles were unavailable to original users who are now unable to get their shiny/flashy/funky/snotty goodness without buying a new sys.

Take later special edition releases of games in which the buyer gets all sorts of funky little extras (toys/additional features/documentation/background material etc.). Such packs are often released some time after the game's original release so the original buyers/adopters are unable to get the new extras without buying the same thing all over again.

Ahhhh, but they are ALREADY being ribbed for rehashing old games with this bonus disk. If they are trying to maintain an image, it isn't working.

Exactly, they're already taking flak for supposedly rehashing old tiltes for the system even though they're not trying to sell the titles, they're merely trying to give them away. Now given to the fact that they are giving away the titles as opposed to trying to sell them, such flak is dismissable as over enthusiastic bashers grasping for something/anything to latch onto and blowing it out of proportion, after all, they're just giving them away, not trying to line them up as a new product.

Now, if they tried to sell them, even if just to appease the "loyal fans", well then that's just throwing fuel on the fire. Irrespective of their reasoning for selling the games, even if it were simply giving in to overwhelming pressure from fans, N would be hit by an onslaught of accusations, critisism and condemnation, much of which from the so-called fans who demanded the games in the first place.

Put it this way, if you saw a pack of dogs waiting for an opportunity to tear a meal off you, would you baste yourself in gravy and lie down infront of them.

I can't recall a shit storm when the OoT/MQ disc was available. In fact IIRC people were quite happy to play a classic game with somewhat improved visuals and an additional harder quest.

Funny how attitudes change, huh? :o

(btw sorry about the snip and clip on the quotes)

sisko

10-11-2003, 09:56 AM

Even then many stores only require a small down payment ($5 or $10) that allows you to get the bonus disk with no obligation to actually get the game you just reserved. At worst if the store does require a full payment you could probably return the main game at that time as you never opened it.

Ahh, but then that's essentially advocating ripping off the company giving away the bonus disk.

What? THe worst is that you screw some bs company like EB or Gamestop that has been screwing people for years. :D Even if you make a downpayment at reservation, I am almost positive that you are not commited to the game, and can use that $5 on anything in the store, and the store is still making their money.

From a business point of view N or any other developer couldn't advocate such an action because it would be a case of the old double edged sword.. on the plus side you'd be appeasing the wanna-have's but on the flip-side you'd be royally fucking yourself in terms of pre-orders and sales because you'd be swamped with bogus pre-orders and returns just because people want to con a cheap pre-order offer.

Yes, but N makes their money when the games ship on their trucks to the store, not when people actually buy it. Again, screwing Gamestop which seriously has it coming.

Again the issue is new users are getting something that original purchasers are unable to get without the purchase of another system. The PS2 and Xbox examples you list are offering bundles for items that readily available to everyone separately either through purchase (games, hard drives, whatever) or download (like the Xbox Live new dashboard or Xbox Live kit).

But they're not, the newer model systems with the built-in pheripheral devices result in original users not only having paid more but also being left stuck with additional components whereas the new users have it all in one, hence original users can't get that without forking out for a new sys.
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The new users may not have all their peripherals integrated into one but they still have the peripherals.

For example. The SCPH-50000 has a built in IR receiver, yes, technology has evolved. But you can still go to the store and buy the same remote, that has an IR receiver included. Say the next PS2 has an integrated broadband adaptor. Older owners of the system can still go out and buy a broad band adaptor. Yes it may not look as pretty as the SCPH-50000, but I can still buy all the parts seperately. It's the cost you pay as an early adopter, and I would wager 99% of the early adopters acknowledge that.

The fact of the matter with this bonus pack in only disc (so far) is that the older owner CANNOT buy it seperately . We CANNOT own the equivilent of a late buyer's purchase unless we buy the brand new system.

As for the new console design, its a fact, and has been happening through the dawn of time. NES, SNES. Genesis, Saturn, N64, PS1, Dreamcast and PS2 all went through cosmetic changes throughout their lifetimes. It is a given fact that companies do this, and early adopters are aware of this too when they buy the console on day 1.

This pack in only game is completely unpredictable though.

NvrMore

10-11-2003, 11:20 AM

What? THe worst is that you screw some bs company like EB or Gamestop that has been screwing people for years. :D Even if you make a downpayment at reservation, I am almost positive that you are not commited to the game, and can use that $5 on anything in the store, and the store is still making their money.

No, you're actually still hurting the developer and publisher because you're artificially inflating pre-order and bogus return numbers, in turn the game ends up being over-supplied. Plus even if you get your $5 - $10 back that's certainly not the expected $40 - $60 that your pre-order originally covered (BIG difference).

Now, if you just keep the losses to the retailer's side then the retailer is forced to reevaluate future pre-order schemes, meaning that they take actions of varying degrees of severity, either demanding that the publisher cover the excess in the case of a boom of false pre-orders and returns, refusing similar proposed pre-order scheme's given to past losses taken from such or by limiting the scheme to the good old method used over here in which the item isn't given out until the fulfilment of the pre-order on release day (probably the most common).

In most cases you severly limit or damage the developer and publisher's future shipping numbers because the retailers, having been given the shaft by customers, are no longer willing to take such financial risks on the basis of a history of dummy pre-orders and returns.

Thus, boom, cust's screw job screws everyone and themself.

Yes, but N makes their money when the games ship on their trucks to the store, not when people actually buy it. Again, screwing Gamestop which seriously has it coming.

See above.

The fact of the matter with this bonus pack in only disc (so far) is that the older owner CANNOT buy it seperately . We CANNOT own the equivilent of a late buyer's purchase unless we buy the brand new system.
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Nor can you with the later console versions/revisions or special editions, or with the later special edition releases of software which include nice little extras.. they're all exactly the same thing, many far worse than just a bonus disk and in all cases you cannot own the equivalent of a late buyer's purchase without buying a new copy of the item you already own.

It's the exact same thing, a bonus incentive to new buyers which isn't available to original buyers without repurchasing the same product, there is no difference.

Special exclusive incentives to late customers have pretty much always been a part of the console hardware (and software) market, not just console revisions but also watches, posters, t-shirts, extended functionality and features etc...

Turning a blind eye to such matters until one particular thing comes along that you want, doesn't make that particular thing any more of a slap in the face than any of the others.

(BTW.. stop giving my quotes away :bad-words: ;) )

grayrobertos

10-12-2003, 10:24 AM

I just saw this topic, even if they do not realease this as a stand alone, disk. Then u will be able to get it out of the stars catalog then u will be able to get it from nintendovip. If ne body feels like signing up, u can give me a few points if u use this link. ;)

atomicthumbs

10-13-2003, 12:23 AM

Here's the response I got from Nintendo suggesting that it be made available through a mail-away or a pre-sale promo with The Four Swords (if I heard the rumors right that one is coming out for GCN).

Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,

Currently, Nintendo of America has made no official announcements
regarding another Zelda Bonus Disc. If this ever changes in the future,
we'll make sure to post the info on our website at www.nintendo.com.

Sincerely,

Nintendo of America Inc.
Dervin Camden

SoulBlazer

10-13-2003, 01:13 AM

Oh right, sure. Nintendo is the WORST when it comes to secrets. :D

GaijinPunch

10-13-2003, 03:08 AM

Is this an English-only disc? No chance of a Japanese one?
Oh, wait -- I think my Gamecube is modded. I've never tried a US game though to be honest.

BHvrd

10-13-2003, 03:22 AM

Wow. Such a big deal over being able to play Zelda 2 on Gamecube...

Already on Gamecube:

Animal Crossing - Zelda

Bonus Wind Waker Disc - OOT and Master Quest

Seriously though I understand where everyone is coming from, but I just find it amusing that the only thing new to Gamecube that this discs offers is Zelda 2. LOL

BUNCHA FANBOYS!

Jason One

10-13-2003, 03:57 AM

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BHvrd

10-13-2003, 04:50 AM

You forgot Majora's Mask. To me, this is a big deal, as now I'll be able to play both N64 Zeldas in progressive scan.

Yes, I did forget that one.

Still no Link to the Past, or the Gameboy games on there, still incomplete. Shooting themselves in the foot be damned, which at this point wouldn't be that considerable!

They owe "unknown word in most business unfortunately" the fans at least ONE 100% tribute...

Screw it though, all the years. Come on Big N! -_-

buttasuperb

10-13-2003, 09:38 AM

Nintendo has been teh sux for years now. :rocker:

atomicthumbs

10-13-2003, 06:21 PM

Still no Link to the Past, or the Gameboy games on there, still incomplete. Shooting themselves in the foot be damned, which at this point wouldn't be that considerable!

They owe "unknown word in most business unfortunately" the fans at least ONE 100% tribute...

Screw it though, all the years. Come on Big N! -_-

Well, they might release those versions on a disc along with the three Zelda games from the CD-I. By the way, you've got to change your avatar. I'm scared to open any page now for fear of pissing myself.

Jive3D

10-14-2003, 03:12 PM

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Nature Boy

10-14-2003, 04:15 PM

I understand that offering the disc free, with a new Gamecube, could stimulate system sales.

But doesn't offering it for sale on it's own do the same? *And* satisfy those of us who want the disc?

As a loyal Nintendo buyer (and a *huge* Zelda fan), I'll be pretty disappointed if I can't get my hands on the disc. Do I have the games already? That's not the point - and I can't believe there are collectors here who seem to think it's all that matters (mind you they're probably just trolling).

What's worse, in my opinion, is this: Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot for their next machine. Like Achika mentioned earlier, as an early adoptor I've gotten jack-spit from them. Okay, I got the Zelda bonus disc for preordering Wind Waker (which was *great* because I would've preordered regardless). But no demo disc or free games or Game Boy Player or *anything*. I *guarantee* you that, come next generation, Nintendo will *not* be a launch day purchase for me, even if they launch with a new Zelda. I'll wait for the prices to drop and the goodies to start flowing. Assuming they can keep their head above water long enough.

calthaer

10-14-2003, 06:38 PM

I just received the following email from Nintendo:

"Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,

Contrary to what you might of heard or read, Nintendo has made no official announcements about releasing another Zelda Bonus Disc. If that ever changes in the future, we'll make sure to post it on our website at www.nintendo.com."

It's not a sure thing that it'll only be coming out with new 'Cubes.

Anonymous

10-14-2003, 08:10 PM

The reply you received is an official reply, but the problem is that any questions sent to nintendo are answered in this way until a press release has been made. It is absolutely against the rules to reply with unofficial information, even if you've heard people within the company talking about it and how it's going to work. It can be frustrating at times.

atomicthumbs

10-15-2003, 12:08 AM

About the Zelda CD-I games. They suck (well the two that I actually played did), but I wouldn't mind getting them (and a CD-I sometime). I completely forgot about the Game & Watch thing. Has that been on any of the GameBoy Color Game & Watch compilations?

Kid Fenris

10-15-2003, 12:26 AM

Fluke, if Nintendo goes under and the game counselors and testers start looting the company headquarters, try to make your way to Minoru Arakawa's old office. Legend has it that he hid an as-yet-undiscovered trove of gold doubloons, pornography, and unreleased NES prototypes somewhere in the walls.

Somehow, I'd be more interested in a classic Nintendo compilation that dipped into the titles which never saw the light of day in America. Who wouldn't want a collection of Fire Emblem and Devil World and . . . uh, another Fire Emblem?

And the Zelda CD-I games are perhaps the lowest point in Nintendo's history. Still, I'd want them for the "animated" openings alone.

http://insider.ign.com/articles/316/316625p2.html

KirbyStar27

10-15-2003, 12:49 AM

Now thats going to make them some money off the million Zelda fans out there. Though it does take away some of the uniqueness of zelda on the older systems.

atomicthumbs

10-15-2003, 02:27 AM

Now thats going to make them some money off the million Zelda fans out there. Though it does take away some of the uniqueness of zelda on the older systems.

Uniqueness? I don't think so. Rarity? Doubt that too. All the games (except CD-I and G&W) are very easy to come by. Plus, I don't think anything beats playing the games on their original systems, except for some improvements in picture and sound quality. Besides, releasing something like that would be great for the kids who maybe have never even seen the originals played much less played them themselves (and have parents unwilling to buy them the games and the old systems).

I told my 9 year old brother about the release (who's beat Ocarina, Majora, Wind Waker and the GBA release of Link to the Past) and he's really excited. Last time he was over I showed him the first two on NES and Link to the Past as well. At first he wasn't sure what to think about them, but now I sense that he's going to be one of the new breed of old school gamers (if you can stretch "old school" to include the mid 80's thru early 90's that is).

Anonymous

10-15-2003, 05:44 AM

Fluke, if Nintendo goes under and the game counselors and testers start looting the company headquarters, try to make your way to Minoru Arakawa's old office. Legend has it that he hid an as-yet-undiscovered trove of gold doubloons, pornography, and unreleased NES prototypes somewhere in the walls.l
Mr. A and Howard Lincoln both still have their offices at Nintendo, believe it or not. They do pop in from time to time, but not as much as they used to. Hmm, now that I think of it, I have no idea where Mr. Kimishima's office is...

NvrMore

10-15-2003, 08:43 AM

As a loyal Nintendo buyer (and a *huge* Zelda fan), I'll be pretty disappointed if I can't get my hands on the disc. Do I have the games already? That's not the point - and I can't believe there are collectors here who seem to think it's all that matters (mind you they're probably just trolling).

Given that I'm the one speaking against the notion of the disk being a heinous betrayal, I guess it's fair to assume the trolling remark was probably aimed my way.. gee, thanks, damn me for not jumping on the bandwagon and actually trying to reason having a different stance on the matter.

Perhaps I'm a tad slow, but there were just a few simple things which I was trying to understand, namely..

Why is it that all the other bonuses, freebies, extras and reductions (incentives) which new users get from pretty much any other company running an incentive scheme and which are often for more considerable than this disk, are simply overlooked and considered acceptible?

Why is it that such notable demands of rewards for cutomer loyalty are only considered in respect to N, and not other companies who give the loyal customers nothing, often with less? and why is it that such isn't considered a betrayal by said companies.

(And if my past posts are considered trolling, this question is probably going to get me strung up and burned at the stake, but for what little it's worth it's not intended to be offensive)

When I buy a games console (any console), I buy it because I want to play the games on the system, I buy the console to play games. Thus I get what the company promised I would get with my purchase and because I got what the company promised, their only obligation to me is to ensure that there are good games to play on that system.
I don't actually expect them to be indebted to me, because I've gotten what I paid for, a gaming system on which I can play games.. it does exactly what it says on the tin (expression).
So why, would someone believe they're buying a debt, a contract of entitlement, and not just what they paid for and are given.. a gaming system?

NvrMore.. who's actually as big a Zelda fan as anyone else, despite not holding the popular viewpoint.

Nature Boy

10-15-2003, 09:06 AM

Given that I'm the one speaking against the notion of the disk being a heinous betrayal, I guess it's fair to assume the trolling remark was probably aimed my way.. gee, thanks, damn me for not jumping on the bandwagon and actually trying to reason having a different stance on the matter.

The potential Troll I was referring to said, and I quote, "Who cares. Buy the original games used on ebay." Unless you post under multiple names I likely wasn't talking about you directly.

Why is it that all the other bonuses, freebies, extras and reductions (incentives) which new users get from pretty much any other company running an incentive scheme and which are often for more considerable than this disk, are simply overlooked and considered acceptible?

What bonuses are you talking about? A free game with a system (which everybody offers now) doesn't bother me. That's part of the general price reduction that occurs over a system's life cycle.

Here's where I'm coming from: I'm a big fan of Nintendo and, I think, a big supporter. I've got the Game Boy Player, Game Boy Advance, e-Reader, link cable, and 20+ GC games.

So a 'free game' that I can't get *unless* I buy a system might tick me off. If that free game is a Zelda game (one of the biggest franchises going, and my personal favourite) - well why wouldn't I (and others) be a little upset? I don't want it for *free* - I just want to be able to *buy* it.

Why is it that such notable demands of rewards for cutomer loyalty are only considered in respect to N, and not other companies who give the loyal customers nothing, often with less? and why is it that such isn't considered a betrayal by said companies.

In my case, most likely because I like Nintendo above all others. And it feels like they're ignoring me. I don't have the same loyalty to Sony or MS, so I don't pay them as much mind.

I don't actually expect them to be indebted to me, because I've gotten what I paid for, a gaming system on which I can play games.. it does exactly what it says on the tin (expression).
So why, would someone believe they're buying a debt, a contract of entitlement, and not just what they paid for and are given.. a gaming system?

I don't think anybody is indebted to me. I just don't want to see a cool disc like this become available only to new Gamecube owners. If it does, well, I guarantee you I'll come up with one *anyway*. But I also guarantee I won't be as quick to purchase my next Nintendo console. If they're smart, they'll cater to their die hard fans (like me) and let us get the disc, as well as offer it as a great incentive to move more units. It's not a debt - it's biting the hand that feeds you.

hezeuschrist

10-15-2003, 09:19 AM

Now thats going to make them some money off the million Zelda fans out there. Though it does take away some of the uniqueness of zelda on the older systems.

Uniqueness? I don't think so. Rarity? Doubt that too. All the games (except CD-I and G&W) are very easy to come by. Plus, I don't think anything beats playing the games on their original systems, except for some improvements in picture and sound quality. Besides, releasing something like that would be great for the kids who maybe have never even seen the originals played much less played them themselves (and have parents unwilling to buy them the games and the old systems).

Haha, I never beat the original Zelda because I'd always get up to the red ring or close to it and my game would get erased. Thats the ultimate number 1 bonus I can think of... memory card saves.

Jive3D

10-15-2003, 09:49 AM

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NvrMore

10-15-2003, 10:40 AM

The potential Troll I was referring to said, and I quote, "Who cares. Buy the original games used on ebay." Unless you post under multiple names I likely wasn't talking about you directly.

Sorry, seemed more as though you would be directing that comment at me given that I'm pretty much the only person taking the other side of the discussion.

What bonuses are you talking about?

Free games, updated hardware, revised hardware designs and models, free games, game-related additional/background documentation and media etc.

All bonus incentives for new users, and given to some extent on any system.

So a 'free game' that I can't get *unless* I buy a system might tick me off. If that free game is a Zelda game (one of the biggest franchises going, and my personal favourite) - well why wouldn't I (and others) be a little upset? I don't want it for *free* - I just want to be able to *buy* it.

Ok, I get the point of something being given away, that fans of such a series would be gagging to get at but essentially can't, I fricking love the Zelda series so I get that.
What I don't get is how it amounts to some unique phenominal betrayal that somehow damns the company in the eyes of such fans or indeed any consumers when the company has gone to lengths to give said fans and consumers a free bonus of such sorts in the past.

On a related note, as I've previously mentioned, they couldn't sell the disk even if they wanted to because they would suffer an onslaught of critisism and condemnation for supposedly "rehashing old titles" even though they would just be trying to appease the fans.

Now, the other option would be like what N implemented in europe in which customers can register products on the N website to accumulate "stars", which can in turn be traded for bonuses and items. Essentially it's a scheme to reward loyal customers and yes, you can get the OoT/MQ disk from there without having to buy WW.
Unfortunately, this still doesn't spare N because people then complain that items require too many stars (they want a loyalty scheme without the loyalty part). :frustrated:

Now, if it's any consolation N are supposed to be implementing the stars scheme in the US, hence it's likely that like the OoT/MQ disk, the new disk would be available on the site. The bad news is that they probably won't have a way of rewarding stars to custs who have previously bought N products, so you would probably only be able to get said disk by accumulating stars off future purchases (future "bash N for trying" thread in the making).

In my case, most likely because I like Nintendo above all others. And it feels like they're ignoring me. I don't have the same loyalty to Sony or MS, so I don't pay them as much mind.

But the problem is the same, so if go for another company on launch day you're trying to hurt a company you like in favour of getting screwed by one you don't :o

Nature Boy

10-15-2003, 01:32 PM

What I don't get is how it amounts to some unique phenominal betrayal that somehow damns the company in the eyes of such fans or indeed any consumers when the company has gone to lengths to give said fans and consumers a free bonus of such sorts in the past.

All I want is the opportunity to acquire the game in question *without* having to buy another system. Right now we don't know if that's true or not. Even if I can't get it directly, they're not damned per se. I'm not going to totally stop giving them my business. I'll just be more discerning when I do. Just because I'm a fan of them doesn't mean I can't ever change my mind.

It probably hurts them a bit more that I *am* a fan. MS or Sony couldn't release a game in a manner like this that would bother me.

On a related note, as I've previously mentioned, they couldn't sell the disk even if they wanted to because they would suffer an onslaught of critisism and condemnation for supposedly "rehashing old titles" even though they would just be trying to appease the fans.

I'm not sure I agree. They have re-released a lot of SNES stuff on GBA, but I personally don't feel that way about the GC. Nintendo itself has re-released what, Ocarina of Time? And as a pre-order incentive available to anybody with a cube.

I guess there are others (Metal Gear, Sonic Collection, Resident Evil) - but if there has been criticisms of them I'm not aware of it nor do I share them. For all those games there have been plenty of new ones to enjoy. Unlike (it seems) the GBA.

Now, the other option would be like what N implemented in europe in which customers can register products on the N website to accumulate "stars", which can in turn be traded for bonuses and items. Essentially it's a scheme to reward loyal customers and yes, you can get the OoT/MQ disk from there without having to buy WW.
Unfortunately, this still doesn't spare N because people then complain that items require too many stars (they want a loyalty scheme without the loyalty part).

Wouldn't bother me. Like I said, I want the opportunity but not at the price of having to buy a second system. One is enough. If I 'have to buy' more games so be it (it makes convincing the wife a little easier) :)

But the problem is the same, so if go for another company on launch day you're trying to hurt a company you like in favour of getting screwed by one you don't.

Well, I personally don't dislike *any* of the companies. I do have my preferences but obviously they're allowed to change.

If I choose to buy a PS3 or Xbox2 or whatever instead of a GC2 it won't be specifically to hurt Nintendo. It will based on many things, although if I feel shafted by somebody that doesn't help.

Anonymous

10-15-2003, 03:42 PM

The Zelda G&W game never made it to any game & watch compilations. Some people have told me that the Game & Watch Zelda is in fact the FIRST Zelda game. can anyone give a definite Yay or Nay to this?
The NES Zelda was the first. The G&W that I've got here has a date of 1989 printed on it. Zelda was first released in the US in 1987.

NvrMore

10-16-2003, 07:42 AM

Just because I'm a fan of them doesn't mean I can't ever change my mind.

Absolutely, but given to the fact that they have given you other bonuses (including a Zelda one) how is it that not being able to get one bonus somehow negates all the others.

I guess there are others (Metal Gear, Sonic Collection, Resident Evil) - but if there has been criticisms of them I'm not aware of it nor do I share them. For all those games there have been plenty of new ones to enjoy. Unlike (it seems) the GBA.

That's the problem though. So many people seem to be itching to condemn them for doing such on the GC that despite the low number of re-releases on the sys N can't even release a simply bonus without said people jumping at it as a reason to critisize them for rehashing old titles (see this thread for e.g.).

To be honest, N are partly responsible given the high re-release ratio on the GBA, but realistically, trying to give away games as a bonus or reward on a different sys just isn't the same thing, but nonetheless people will jump on them for it.

Wouldn't bother me. Like I said, I want the opportunity but not at the price of having to buy a second system. One is enough. If I 'have to buy' more games so be it (it makes convincing the wife a little easier) :)

I completely get the point of wanting an opportunity to get the disk, what I don't understand is the idea that some believe that because they've bought a product earlier than a bonus incentive became available, they are somehow entitled to the aformentioned bonus.

For what it's worth, I hope they do pull off the stars catalogue over there so you get your chance, but I'm betting that like the bonus disk N will still just end up getting flak for it.

If I choose to buy a PS3 or Xbox2 or whatever instead of a GC2 it won't be specifically to hurt Nintendo. It will based on many things, although if I feel shafted by somebody that doesn't help.

Ah, but this leads back to the point: how does being denied one bonus overshadow the others that you have been given.

It's like no matter how much goodwill they give, if they make even one slip up it's all for nothing and they end up as the bad guys. Whereas if they had never done anything, never tried, then they would come out even or possibly ahead of any cometitors who tried to do something for their fanbase.

That, I just don't get (I'm kind of slow)

Nature Boy

10-16-2003, 08:59 AM

Absolutely, but given to the fact that they have given you other bonuses (including a Zelda one) how is it that not being able to get one bonus somehow negates all the others.

It's an opinion (mine) and it doesn't have to be grounded in straight facts. The problem I have with you using the current Zelda bonus disc as an example is this: anybody can get it.

And I'll be pissed if they don't let me get this latest one. It's simple really - if you can't understand it that's cool - it's an opinion, it's not necessarily something that has to be understood.

I completely get the point of wanting an opportunity to get the disk, what I don't understand is the idea that some believe that because they've bought a product earlier than a bonus incentive became available, they are somehow entitled to the aformentioned bonus..

Not me though. I don't feel entitled, I just want the opportunity. Denying me is going to tick me off. And make me wonder if I shouldn't wait in the future for such deals to come about before buying something from them.

Ah, but this leads back to the point: how does being denied one bonus overshadow the others that you have been given.

It's like no matter how much goodwill they give, if they make even one slip up it's all for nothing and they end up as the bad guys. Whereas if they had never done anything, never tried, then they would come out even or possibly ahead of any cometitors who tried to do something for their fanbase.

That, I just don't get (I'm kind of slow)

Doesn't matter if it *is* just one slip. In my case, I have reasons for choosing a PS3 as my launch day system (reasons which aren't relevant to this argument so I'll leave 'em out). Those reasons tip me in it's direction. Feeling like maybe I should wait for bonuses like this before I buy GC2 puts me over.