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Gamereviewgod
11-26-2003, 12:06 PM
I just recieved this E-mail from Paypal:

Dear Matthew Paprocki,

It has come to our attention that you may be the recipient of potentially fraudulent funds. We have initiated an investigation into this event. In the meantime, we have placed a pending reversal on the funds in question until the investigation is complete. This pending reversal will show as a deduction in your available balance. In the meantime, you are free to continue transacting using your PayPal account.

(sensitive stuff deleted)

If you have not delivered the goods or services related to this
transaction, we ask that you delay or stop delivery until our investigation
is complete as you may be liable for the amount in question.

To assist us in our investigation and to determine if you qualify for the
Seller Protection Program, please send an email to
pending_reversal@paypal.com with the following information:

1. The item, service or purpose of the purchase, and the associated value;
2. The name and address given to you by the sender (if an item was
purchased);
3. If shipped, the company used for shipping, date of shipment, and
tracking number for the shipment;
4. Details of any other transactions related to the transaction(s) in
question;
5. A phone number where you can be reached during the day and evening; and
6. Insurance information, if applicable.

Any additional information you have regarding this transaction, such as email correspondence, will further help us to expedite our investigation. Solving these cases helps us continue to offer PayPal as a secure and cost-effective payment service. We appreciate your cooperation and assistance.

Sincerely,
PayPal Account Review Team

I responded to their E-mail as they asked. I did use delivery confirmation with his address used with Paypal. Now I'm $40+ in the hole. Why would I be responsible? :angry:
jonjandran
11-26-2003, 01:11 PM
It was purchased using a stolen credit card.
I've had this happen to me.
And I'm sorry but there is a 99% chance you're out $40
They usually take the money back even if you prove you shipped it.
SoulBlazer
11-26-2003, 01:19 PM
I find it interesting that they say you may be eligable for the Seller Protection Program. If you paid the extra buck or two for the option, you should be able to get your money back. I had a friend succesfully do that.

And yeah, stolen credit cards suck, but there's not much you can do about it if you've allready sent the item.

Just think about the person who had the card stolen FROM. There's over half a million idenity thefts in the US every year. They get all your information and ruin your credit and cause you a lot of extra time and money to try to clean things up again. This person probaly ripped off thousands of dollars. :angry:

I'm just glad I have'nt had any problems with PayPal over the years.
Gamereviewgod
11-26-2003, 01:42 PM
Actually, I E-mailer other sellers who dealt with the bidder. Turns out some kid used his fathers credit card. Like the father is a big enough $#&%*&^ to actually file a complaint with Paypal... :angry:

And I still have no idea why I'm the one who's responsible. :angry:
jonjandran
11-26-2003, 01:45 PM
In that case e-mail the father and demand your merchandise be sent back or you are going to file mail fraud charges.
That should wake him up.
SoulBlazer
11-26-2003, 01:47 PM
Oh, a stupid kid and a even dumber father? LOL

Yeah, what he said. 8-)
Darth Sensei
11-26-2003, 02:20 PM
If the kid used the card and the father refuses to pay, isn't the kid prosecuted for theft?

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Griking
11-26-2003, 10:30 PM
Isnt' the father legally responsible for his kid's actions?

I agree with you that you shouldn't be responsible for this and the charges shouldn't be reversed. The father should be responsible for all of the purchases that the kid made since it's his son and he's most likely a minor.
esquire
11-27-2003, 01:13 AM
Isnt' the father legally responsible for his kid's actions?

I agree with you that you shouldn't be responsible for this and the charges shouldn't be reversed. The father should be responsible for all of the purchases that the kid made since it's his son and he's most likely a minor.

Most states have laws making a parent responsible for the actions of their minor childeren. Here in Michigan, the amount is up to $2,500. A letter threatening legal action, civil or possible criminal charges may do the trick. You may also want to contact the local prosecuting attorney from where the seller is. If criminal charges are brought, most jurisdictions have what they call restitution for the victim, where the criminal has to reimburse the victim.

On a side note, I've always wondered if some of these alleged stolen credit card allegations through paypal are merely scams, e.g. I give a friend my credit card number and he orders a boat load full of shit off ebay using paypal, then I cry wolf to paypal who in turn reverses the payments. Same here, but father claims "son" (wink wink) stole his credit card.

This experience alone justifies why I do not accept credit card payments through paypal, but rather use Bidpay.
LazingBlazers
11-27-2003, 01:40 AM
I just got ripped for $64.08 today because of "fraudulent bank account use". Same shit, seller protection eligable. We'll see how it turns out, and if PayPal gives me my money back. F'n c**cksuckers! I'm only out $25.00 of my own pocket with shipping, but it was for a complete Final Fight Guy and ClayFighterTE. That pisses me off.

Anyway,

Happy Turkey Day everybody! :)
suppafly
11-27-2003, 12:28 PM
Paypal will have to change their policies dealing with fraud in the near future....

too many good people are getting screwed....