I just got over THIRTY crappy Super Nintendo games. WHY?!?

[Atari7800]

I just got a pile of shitty Super Nintendo games as a gift. It’s the thought that counts, but I wish the thought had been spent somewhere else…

After watching me complete my collection of Super Nintendo shooters and seeing me enjoy playing them, my boyfriend came to the incorrect assumption that I would enjoy ANY Super Nintendo game. I have a fair number of the “really good” SNES games like F-Zero, some Mega Mans, Starfox, Biker Mice, Rock/Roll Racing, the Mario games, all the shooters, etc(still looking for Ogre Battle.)

My boyfriend, bless his heart, made a deal with a co-worker on a pile of loose SNES carts. He paid $100 for the lot. After playing through the games, I realized that the Super Nintendo was not the shining, glimmering console that I had thought it to be… it is, like the PSone, a great console with a ton of great games and a ton of absolutely stinky games. Here’s what I got…

Road Riot 4WD: Forced split-screen crap racer with crap graphics. F-Zero was a LAUNCH TITLE, yet no one managed to ever top it? Ridiculous!
Monopoly: The computer opponent is an idiot, plain and simple.
Kendo Rage: This might not be so bad… very Japanese platform game.
Lord of the Rings: This SUCKS. I heard it was bad, but I had no idea.
True Lies: Seems to play OK, but looks like crap.
Wild C.A.T.S.: Scroll and hit, scroll and kick, scroll and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Phantom 2040: Didn’t play this much, may have potential.
Smart Ball: This SUCKS. BAD. Terrible Mario clone starring a blob of Jell-O.
Battle Blaze: Battling Diarrhea is more like it. A really bad fighting game!
X-Zone: Uses that worthless bazooka attachment. Unplayable. What a joke!
Super Buster Brothers: This game MIGHT be ok… need more time.
Alien 3: Nice graphics, impossible gameplay.
GP-1: Don’t remember this one at all, and that’s not a good sign.
Turn And Burn: I was amazed by how bad this game looked. Why bother?
Jurassic Park: I played this awhile back… way too hard to be any good.
Jurassic Park 2: I heard this was better, but still…
Super Offroad Baja: This BLOWS. I have played F-Zero a zillion times. Why did no one ever top it?
Choplifter 3: This might be ok… I liked the original, and this plays like an enhanced version of the original game.
Total Carnage: The biggest disappointment, I think. This sequel to Smash TV is just awful. Bad graphics, impossible gameplay… it’s nothing like the first game!
Spectre: Wow. This game really sucks hard. Who let this past testing?
Sparkster: This might be pretty good, actually… I’ll play it some more
Ignition Factor: I did not dig this firefighting game.
Wild Snake: Nor did I dig this weird puzzle game.
Ka-Blooey: Or this one, either.
Mohawk & Headphone Jack: This platform game just plain sucks.
Top Gear: NES emulation of the SNES. Great!
Big Sky Trooper: This may have some depth… I’ll have to play it a bit more.
Super Strike Eagle: Oh, no. This should never have been attempted.
Frogger: Uh, where’s the music? Is this a 1-meg game or what?
Star Trek: My ears are BLEEDING! The MUSIC! Make it STOP!
Super Star Wars: I have never seen this much slowdown in ANY game, ever.
Michael Jordan in the Windy City: It’s not Shaq-Fu, but is still sucks.
Spawn: Are all Spawn games this bad? Not as bad as the PSX game, but close.
Ultraman: Awful. Just awful.


Thanks for the games dude, but I would have preferred something else. A few really good PSX games, or maybe Ogre Battle and Mr. Do! Advice to boyfriend: just because it’s a video game does not mean that I WANT it.

[Bratwurst]

Sounds like a 3 bucks a cart almost, what shape are they in? I'd execute a salvage operation and keep what I liked, sell the rest on ebay. Seeing as most of those aren't the dreaded common sports games you may be able to make up the absurd cost of the lot if you listed some by themselves.

I liked Alien 3 a ton myself, Sparkster's supposed to be really good.

[Arcade Antics]

I just got a pile of shitty Super Nintendo games as a gift. It’s the thought that counts, but I wish the thought had been spent somewhere else…

Thanks for the games dude, but I would have preferred something else. A few really good PSX games, or maybe Ogre Battle and Mr. Do! Advice to boyfriend: just because it’s a video game does not mean that I WANT it.

Evidently you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes a "shitty" pile of SNES games. If someone had given those games to me as a gift, I would have thanked them. Several times. But that's just me.

Maybe next year you'll just get the traditional lump of coal! :)


Total Carnage: The biggest disappointment, I think. This sequel to Smash TV is just awful. Bad graphics, impossible gameplay… it’s nothing like the first game!

To each his own, but I like the SNES version of Total Carnage. It's not nearly as good as the coin-op, but other than the green "blood", I think it's actually pretty respectable given the scope of the original. How is the gameplay "impossible" ?

And If I had been able to score that pile of games for $100, I'd have considered it quite a good day "on the hunt."

[ClubNinja]

Wow. Talk about ungrateful. I'd dump your ass in a heartbeat.

Related short story: A former girlfriend scored me about 12 SNES carts for our first Christmas together. Mega Man X - awesome. Mortal Kombat 2 - sweet! A bunch of superhero and sports games that I couldn't care any less about? Still great! She put the time into getting me something I loved, whether they were spot on or not. I just traded off what I didn't want, she was fine with that, and I was very *very* happy with her. Loosen up.

[Ed Oscuro]

I personally got a good deal of fun out of Super Star Wars (that's the one with Luke flipping over womprats and driving the landspeeder in stages 1 and 2, right?) and I don't remember this slowdown. Am I wrong, or is calling this game horrible rather offbase?

[Half Japanese]

Well, if ANY of my usual gift-givers got me something video game related I'd surely be very grateful. As it stands you got a pretty good lot of common~uncomon games, nothing to whine about methinks. Enjoy what you can and ebay the rest, just don't let your boyfriend see this post...he'd likely do exactly what ClubNinja stated....and with good reason.

[Scoots]

I liked pretty much all the SNES Star Wars games. I agree for the most part that these games suck, but seriously, I'd still be psyched if anyone I knew did this for me. Like I'd enjoy the socks or grill tools any more! At least you can trade/sell these for stuff you like.

[Arcade Antics]

I personally got a good deal of fun out of Super Star Wars (that's the one with Luke flipping over womprats and driving the landspeeder in stages 1 and 2, right?) and I don't remember this slowdown. Am I wrong, or is calling this game horrible rather offbase?

I don't recall a TON of slowdown in this one, at least not enough to say it's the biggest offender in the slowdown category. But there definitely is some slowing along the way.

However, I do remember that most of the stages are far too long. Like a Flintstones cartoon, the exact same background repeats indefinitely for each section. It could have been pared down a bit to make the game more enjoyable.

Regardless, I certainly wouldn't call it a bad game by any stretch. :)

[metal_head]

If you dont want these "stinky" games, I'll pay shipping to the UK, take them off your hands and give them a loving home! :D

[Atari7800]

Perhaps I was a bit harsh in my post... I DID thank him profusely, and I was touched that he had his heart in the right place and bought me something that he believed I would enjoy. I told him most of the games were GREAT (and some might actually be pretty good.) I'm sure I'll play Choplifter some more, Super Buster brothers, maybe some True Lies, and Sparkster actually looks really, really good. He will never know that I thought the majority of the gift was crap. I'm not heartless, people.

My point was that the SNES certainly has its fair share of turds.

Total Carnage sucks. Too hard. The bosses look like crap compared to the Smash TV bosses. The whole concept has been changed, and not for the better.

I played through Super Star Wars YEARS ago, and it's too hard and riddled with atrocious slowdown. REALLY BAD SLOWDOWN. Play awhile and you'll see what I mean.

[Sniderman]

Whenever my wife - who has no knowledge or inkling of interest in videogames - takes the time to track something down for me, I'm eternally grateful that she made the effort. She's brought home stacks of Combat and Pac-Man carts, never realizing I have zillions of both. She's brought home Sega Saturn games for my Playstation 2. She's bought me Powerpuff Girl Gameboy carts, for Pete's Sake. And I thank her everytime and I dutifully place these items - common, unwanted, or whatever - into my collection.

And, because of my encouragement, she still looks for things for me - like the 3 complete Atari 2600s, or the complete in box Virtual Boy, or the box of 200+ 2600 carts with many rarities, or a hundred other true "scores" I would never have located.

You got a keeper with that b-friend of yours. Be sure to let him know that.

[evilmess]

I agree with Sniderman

Having a spouse or significant other who supports your gaming habit is worth more than that whole lot of SNES games any day.

Keep in mind too that it's usually pretty hard for us guys to buy good presents for you ladies so I'd say he did ok and you scored no matter how you look at it.

[Atari7800]

I opened the floodgates! X_x

I really do appreciate his gift, and he has no idea that I think the bulk of the games suck. That's why I posted here. He's a real sweetheart, and I really am blessed that he tries so hard to please me. I, too, have gotton games for consoles I don't own and he's always calling about a sale he's just seen... he just doesn't get the whole different games for different consoles concept. I don't own any of the current consoles, and I've given him explicit instructions not to buy me one as I have issues with overspending on games. It's great that he's always on the lookout, even f he doesn't know what he's looking for. He's NOT a gamer (dammit) but he tries his best, and I appreciate his attempts more than he knows. I'll take your advice and let him know that more often.

By the way... I'm a guy. Queers play games too.

[Oobgarm]

IBy the way... I'm a guy. Queers play games too.

I was wondering why everyone considered you to be a chick.... LOL

I'm shocked that you know a guy who isn't into games. I thought that was almost a part of a guy's DNA or something.

[evilmess]

Sorry Atari7800

My comment regarding us dudes buying gifts for the ladies was a little off base in regards to your topic (...but it's so true anyway!)

big ole DOH on my part! ;)

[Half Japanese]

Whoops! I guess I usually assume that when most folks talk about a "boyfriend" that it's a female. I think EGM used to refer to gay gamers as "gaymers," although I'm sure they might find the term offensive now.[/quote]

[ClubNinja]

By the way... I'm a guy.

If it's any consolation, speaking for myself, I knew that.

Anyway, in a previous response you say that your point was to illustrate that the SNES had its share of duds. Agreed - many duds. Unfortunately, if you re-read your initial post, then you'll probably see how it looks more like an attack on your boyfriend than the weak titles in the SNES library. That's all.

Oh, and Sparkster rules!

[hydr0x]

I opened the floodgates! X_x

I really do appreciate his gift, and he has no idea that I think the bulk of the games suck.

i don't know what you want, but there some GREAT, some good, some mediocre and of course also some crap games in there

some good ones:

Truel Lies, Buster Bros, Alien 3 (<< very good), Jurassic Park 1+2, Offroad Baja, Sparkster, Top Gear, Big Sky Trooper, Super Strike Eagle, Frogger, Star Wars

[chadtower]

Anyway, in a previous response you say that your point was to illustrate that the SNES had its share of duds. Agreed - many duds. Unfortunately, if you re-read your initial post, then you'll probably see how it looks more like an attack on your boyfriend than the weak titles in the SNES library. That's all.


I've read it three times now and have trouble seeing as anything but a complaint about his nongamer boyfriend. It looks to me like the backlash has made him change his story some, or maybe even rethink his feelings on the topic.

[Atari7800]

Anyway, in a previous response you say that your point was to illustrate that the SNES had its share of duds. Agreed - many duds. Unfortunately, if you re-read your initial post, then you'll probably see how it looks more like an attack on your boyfriend than the weak titles in the SNES library. That's all.


I've read it three times now and have trouble seeing as anything but a complaint about his nongamer boyfriend. It looks to me like the backlash has made him change his story some, or maybe even rethink his feelings on the topic.

Read it again, especially the part about the "After playing through the games, I realized that the Super Nintendo was not the shining, glimmering console that I had thought it to be… it is, like the PSone, a great console with a ton of great games and a ton of absolutely stinky games. "

My post WAS a bit bitchy, but I didn't mean it as an attack on my guy. Perhaps I'm a bit grouchy after getting a great-looking pile of games and then spending the better part of an evening playing crappy game after crappy game. I DO appreciate the gift, and I DO think most of the games suck. How's that, Chadtower?

[Dire 51]

Atari7800 - If you're interested, I'd be happy to take Sparkster and Kendo Rage off your hands. :D

Regarding Super SW - I like it quite a bit. There's some slowdown, yes, but I didn't find the game nearly as hard as every else says it is.

[chadtower]

How's that, Chadtower?

You don't need my approval, bro. Say whatever you want.

[Zubiac666]

wtf do u want?
For me 80% of these games are awesome.
Star wars kicks ass.....slowdown or not!
true lies is also great (it even reminds me on "commando")
jurrasic park too hard? NAH

and the best of the list is Sparkster: A forgotten jewel on the SNES
Anyone knows the genesis version but the better snes-version has been forgotten...what a shame
clearly one of the best SNES action game (gfx,sound,gameplay)

and u all got them for FREE!

so calm down :hmm:

[StarKnightX]

Hey somebody else out there actually likes Big Sky Troopers! I was starting to think I was one of the only people who enjoyed this hidden gem. :)

[rbudrick]

There's never a bad stack of games when they are under $3. Sell the dupes, add the others to the collection. Any game under $3 that wasn't in your collectionis a good deal, imo.

-Rob

[sisko]

Anyway, in a previous response you say that your point was to illustrate that the SNES had its share of duds. Agreed - many duds. Unfortunately, if you re-read your initial post, then you'll probably see how it looks more like an attack on your boyfriend than the weak titles in the SNES library. That's all.


I've read it three times now and have trouble seeing as anything but a complaint about his nongamer boyfriend. It looks to me like the backlash has made him change his story some, or maybe even rethink his feelings on the topic.

Agreed.



Whenever my wife - who has no knowledge or inkling of interest in videogames - takes the time to track something down for me, I'm eternally grateful that she made the effort. She's brought home stacks of Combat and Pac-Man carts, never realizing I have zillions of both. She's brought home Sega Saturn games for my Playstation 2. She's bought me Powerpuff Girl Gameboy carts, for Pete's Sake. And I thank her everytime and I dutifully place these items - common, unwanted, or whatever - into my collection.

And, because of my encouragement, she still looks for things for me - like the 3 complete Atari 2600s, or the complete in box Virtual Boy, or the box of 200+ 2600 carts with many rarities, or a hundred other true "scores" I would never have located.


Same here (although I'm not married).... when my girlfriend and I met, she didn't know anything about collecting, and hardly much about systems pre-nes. Still, she goes to flea markets, yard sales, and thrift stores with me all the time. She even spends hours scouring eBay for me for potential finds. I never ask her to do it, but I let her know I appreciate it nonetheless. Having another person help you out is always a great thing, whether they know what they are doing, or not.

[Atari7800]

:bareass:

[Lady Jaye]

Hey, my boyfriend's not a gamer and he never got me any game in the 8 years we've been together (his gifts are more in the style of albums or DVDs or whatever...).

Turn and Burn isn't half bad when you know that it's a remake of an Atari 2600/7800 game. Granted, not the most spectacular flight game ever made, but it does its job.

And I too am a fan of the Super Star Wars game. It's far from perfect, but it's enjoyable nonetheless.

[Predatorxs]

Total Carnage sucks. Too hard, it does and my EX-Girlfriend also had the same problem lol LOL..

But they are a nice batch of games, there are some turds in there, but some sweet classics as well Alien 3, Sparkster, starwars etc, etc..

I like to look back on the snes and think of the hundreds of games that where released, that there are at least 80 or 90 great games that made the system Soooooooo Great!!! (Sega whoooo!!)

Also on a side note sega means wank (jerk off) in italian, or so i read a few years back.. :embarrassed:

Pimp-Pimp Hooaaaray!!! Pimp---Pimp Hoooooo..................Ray!!

[Neil Koch]

Michael Jordan in the Windy City:

What the hell is this game?

And Super Star Wars isn't that hard once you get past the first couple of stages -- Super Empire Strikes Back is pretty tough, mostly becuase of a lot of anoying jumps.

[§ Gideon §]

By the way... I'm a guy. Queers play games too.
<---- That's okay. Luigi still wants to touch your boobies.

[cheesystick]

Michael Jordan in the Windy City:
That would be a sports title, set it Chicago.
As for the 30-game-crap situation, I think everybody is giving this guy too hard of a time. He said he was thankful for the though, and I am sure he is, But i understand the dissappointment. Can you imagine? you are about to recieve a purchased Collection of 30 SNES games, that was once held by another human being. Surley, you expect any owner of an SNES who has a collection of 30 games to have some winners in there? For a personal collection, admittidly, It kinda blows. If I was getting someones SNES collection as a gift, I would expect some zelda, donkey kong, mario kart, or even some freaking mario all stars!
You boyfriend had the right idea, but whoever he purchased the games from had terrible taste. Not even super mario world. Blech.
-crispy

[hydr0x]

If I was getting someones SNES collection as a gift, I would expect some zelda, donkey kong, mario kart, or even some freaking mario all stars!


oh really??? just to see that the receiver sells them all away because he already owns them, most snes users already have those games, and i think Atari7800 also does, no use in giving him those games ;)

[cheesystick]

I understand that most SNES owners have those games, that was the point of my post. The guy that this dude's boyfriends purchased from didnt seem to have any of those games in his collection, that is was astonished me. You would think that someone with a collection of 30 SNES games, would have at least one mario title. But apparently this guy didnt. Apparently, he liked sports games and crappy action games. Makes me think he must have purchased all these games while living on base. That would make more sense
-crispy

[Ruudos]

Choplifter 3 is a really fun game and addictive too. I really like it.
I have no idea about the others, I know Alien 3 once won some kind of award for best soundtrack, and that Frogger was the last US SNES release.
I've yet to play Jurassic Park 2 (I own this game), I have seen the intro of this game which was pretty amazing for SNES I thought.

[hydr0x]

I understand that most SNES owners have those games, that was the point of my post. The guy that this dude's boyfriends purchased from didnt seem to have any of those games in his collection, that is was astonished me. You would think that someone with a collection of 30 SNES games, would have at least one mario title. But apparently this guy didnt. Apparently, he liked sports games and crappy action games. Makes me think he must have purchased all these games while living on base. That would make more sense
-crispy

i don't think those 30 games were his complete collection, no way!! noone would buy those 30 games if he had to buy 30, never ever could this happen, no matter what his taste is

[Oobgarm]

You'd be surprised, man. I've seen some pretty wacky collections at our store-combinations of titles you'd never think you'd ever see next to each other.

Mickey Mouse + NASCAR + Final Fantasy III = :hmm:

[ReaXan]

Well that isnt as bad as how I got burned in a Sega Nomad ebay deal,I got 50 games,but they were all freaking sports games,true I should have investigated more but the guy knew they were all sports games and he choose not to list them because they sucked{Funny thing is alot of people package tons of games with their nomads on ebay as I found out later but fail to list the games if they are mostly or all sports games,which you can tell when the auction is really fishy,I even try to email the people sometimes and they won't reply to my emails about what games are in their


The Morale of the story is their is always worse game story out there

[chadtower]

You'd be surprised, man. I've seen some pretty wacky collections at our store-combinations of titles you'd never think you'd ever see next to each other.

Mickey Mouse + NASCAR + Final Fantasy III = :hmm:

What's so weird about that? Not every system has only one user. You have a 5 year old playing Mickey Mouse, a 15 year old playing FF3, and an adult playing NASCAR. My collection is very heavy in kids' titles because I have a 4 year old son.

[Atari7800]

Michael Jordan in the Windy City:
That would be a sports title, set it Chicago.
As for the 30-game-crap situation, I think everybody is giving this guy too hard of a time. He said he was thankful for the though, and I am sure he is, But i understand the dissappointment. Can you imagine? you are about to recieve a purchased Collection of 30 SNES games, that was once held by another human being. Surley, you expect any owner of an SNES who has a collection of 30 games to have some winners in there? For a personal collection, admittidly, It kinda blows. If I was getting someones SNES collection as a gift, I would expect some zelda, donkey kong, mario kart, or even some freaking mario all stars!
You boyfriend had the right idea, but whoever he purchased the games from had terrible taste. Not even super mario world. Blech.
-crispy

Thanks for the support, dude. I've been getting some shit about it. Reading through the posts, I sense some veiled hostility... don't know if it's because I didn't care for the gift or if it's because I'm queer. Doesn't matter either way... my whole point was that I thought the majority of the SNES games I got as a gift sucked. Some people took it the wrong way and thought I was being ungrateful. What I posted on this board and the reaction I gave my boyfriend in response to his thoughfulness are two VERY different things.

My experience with the SNES thus far has been limited to highly acclaimed games and all the 2-D shooters (some of which aren't very good, but I like to play and compare shooters no matter how bad they are, Planet Joker for the Saturn notwithstanding.)

Playing games like F-Zero (still one of the best racing games ever made IMO), all the fantastic SNES Mario games, Zelda, Super Ghosts & Goblins, SimCity, Axelay, Firepower 2000, Phalanx, Rock & Roll Racing, Biker Mice, Castlevania 4, and the like had given me a false impression of the system... other than a few bad shooters, my meager collection of SNES games represents some of the very best that the system has to offer. My experience with some of its duds brought me back to reality and demonstrated to me once again that EVERY system has its share of stinkers.

It is a bit bizarre that there wasn't ONE Mario game in the whole lot... maybe the previous owner kept his own collection of gems and ditched what he thought were duds. Now I'm intrigued and will have to find out.

Peace to all.

[chadtower]

[don't know if it's because I didn't care for the gift or if it's because I'm queer.

Don't take the cheap way out and blame it on discrimination. No one here cares if you're queer.

[ClubNinja]

I sense some veiled hostility... or if it's because I'm queer.

Certainly not. At least not with myself and Chad - we're way-liberal Massachusetts folks. That doesn't even come into play. That's like pulling the race card.

Personally, I was just concerned that your boyfriend wasn't getting the overwhelming thanks he deserves, that's all :)

[Half Japanese]

My comment was before I even knew what your sexual orientation was. Doesn't apply here. I could care less.

[sisko]

:bareass:

And to think I lost all respect for you after your first post.

FYI, I don't like you because you're selfish and ungrateful, not because you're gay.

[Lady Jaye]

Nothing wrong with liking Mickey Mouse AND Final Fantasy III... In fact, I do like both!

[Luna]

Reading through the posts, I sense some veiled hostility... don't know if it's because I didn't care for the gift or if it's because I'm queer. Doesn't matter either way... my whole point was that I thought the majority of the SNES games I got as a gift sucked. Some people took it the wrong way and thought I was being ungrateful. What I posted on this board and the reaction I gave my boyfriend in response to his thoughfulness are two VERY different things.

You have to realize though, that we didn't know what your reaction to your boyfriend was. All we had to go on is that first post, and it did sound quite ungrateful.


I just got a pile of shitty Super Nintendo games as a gift. It’s the thought that counts, but I wish the thought had been spent somewhere else…

...

Thanks for the games dude, but I would have preferred something else. A few really good PSX games, or maybe Ogre Battle and Mr. Do! Advice to boyfriend: just because it’s a video game does not mean that I WANT it.

That's what I'm assuming bothered most of the people here. Someone who obviously cares about you a lot made a tremendous effort to get you something as a gift that they really thought you would like and all you did was complain. I realize that you mention somewhere in the first post that a few of the games were actually decent, but it all got covered up with the utter disgust with the rest of the games. Everytime you gave him credit for trying, you backhanded the statement with something along the lines of "it wasn't good enough."

I'm quite disappointed that you decided to pull the, as you put it, "queer" card. Just because someone doesn't agree with something you do or say, doesn't mean it's because of your sexual orientation.

[chadtower]

Certainly not. At least not with myself and Chad - we're way-liberal Massachusetts folks. That doesn't even come into play. That's like pulling the race card.

Hey man, I ain't no stinkin' Liberal! My views on homosexuality stem from my libertarian nature - live and let live. No sympathy, empathy, or anything like that... it's pure indifference.

[Sniderman]

Reading through the posts, I sense some veiled hostility... don't know if it's because I didn't care for the gift or if it's because I'm queer.

:roll:

Good God. Did *you* just drop 20 points with that comment. With this open-minded crowd, you have the gall to pose a question like that? We could care less if you get turned on by farm animals or shrubbery. A person's sexual orientation is, by far, not an issue here at DP.

However, if that person is acting like an ass, then - yeah - folks get a bit knotted up.

[Atari7800]

[don't know if it's because I didn't care for the gift or if it's because I'm queer.

Don't take the cheap way out and blame it on discrimination. No one here cares if you're queer.

<sigh>

It seems I have a rare gift for writing things that gives others the wrong impression as to my true feeling and intent. I certainly did not start this post in the hopes of getting into a discussion on homosexuality, nor did I mean to infer that I did not appreciate the thoughfful gift... however it might have sounded.

For the record, I was not taking a "cheap way out" or playing a "queer card". I believe that many of my fellow gamers care nothing for another gamer's sexual orientation. If I offended anyone for my comment about "veiled hostility" then I truly apologize... I try not to be overly sensitive, with limited success.

However, the statement that "no one here cares if you're queer" is incorrect. The e-mail I received last night from a hotmail account with a link to the website www.godhatesfags.com was certainly in response to my posting at DP.

I'm not sure why I outed myself yesterday. I could have changed the "boyfriend" to "girlfriend" and then this whole thread would never have happened. Perhaps the fact that I live in a very gay-friendly city/part of town and that my place of employment is so gay-friendly made me forgot to check my pronouns. Maybe I just don't care anymore.

Whatever the case, I don't live in a hole. I think the majoriy of you folks and the world at large either accept gay people or will soon enough. There will always be a segment of society that sends hateful e-mails, and there is nothing I can do about that. I read and post at DP because I find the majority of the members here to be intelligent, adult gamers... like me.

I hate that my posting about bad SNES games will probably lead to something entirely unintended, and I did not mean to put anyone on the defensive. Seriously.

[chadtower]

However, the statement that "no one here cares if you're queer" is incorrect. The e-mail I received last night from a hotmail account with a link to the website www.godhatesfags.com was certainly in response to my posting at DP.

Really... I am disappointed, but unfortunately not surprised. I guess there are idiots even where you don't see them.




I hate that my posting about bad SNES games will probably lead to something entirely unintended, and I did not mean to put anyone on the defensive. Seriously.

Your original post wasn't taken, by anyone, as a post about SNES games. It was taken, and I still can't read it any other way, as a complaint that your boyfriend bought you 30 shitty games and it annoyed you. The ungrateful tone of your post is what started this discussion, not your outing yourself. When you add in the appearance of completely backtracking on your comments while claiming misinterpretation, it just made things worse.

If your true intention was simply to complain about some shitty SNES games, I can agree with that. I'm not a fan of the SNES.

[Atari7800]

However, the statement that "no one here cares if you're queer" is incorrect. The e-mail I received last night from a hotmail account with a link to the website www.godhatesfags.com was certainly in response to my posting at DP.

Really... I am disappointed, but unfortunately not surprised. I guess there are idiots even where you don't see them.




I hate that my posting about bad SNES games will probably lead to something entirely unintended, and I did not mean to put anyone on the defensive. Seriously.

Your original post wasn't taken, by anyone, as a post about SNES games. It was taken, and I still can't read it any other way, as a complaint that your boyfriend bought you 30 shitty games and it annoyed you. The ungrateful tone of your post is what started this discussion, not your outing yourself. When you add in the appearance of completely backtracking on your comments while claiming misinterpretation, it just made things worse.

If your true intention was simply to complain about some shitty SNES games, I can agree with that. I'm not a fan of the SNES.

Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I've gone back and re-read my posts. I certainly see a measure of bitchyness and ungratefulness, none of which was shared with the gift-giver. I also see a great deal of commentary about the Super Nintendo, as well as over 30 of my first impressions on various SNES games. I don't see any backtracking. I do see my attempt to convince a group of increasingly irritated gamers that the gift-giver was in no way aware that I thought the games sucked. Second time: I'm not heartless, people.

[ClubNinja]

I could have changed the "boyfriend" to "girlfriend" and then this whole thread would never have happened.

Not true. You'd have the same thread, just replace every instance of "boyfriend" with "girlfriend". You could've said that your pet lobster Tim McClaw got you games. Doesn't matter. The point was your ungrateful tone in the first post, not your preference in significant others.

[hydr0x]

some points to add:

1. why don't you tell us who send you the mail, huh?

2. as i already said, there are some good games in the lot and even some gems, absolutely NO reason to complain about them

3. you're are very ungrateful person, no matter how hard you try to make us believe you didn't say what you said

4. it should be absolutely no problem to sell the 30 games away for more than those 100 bucks, another reason gone to be mad

5. NEVER should you complain about gifts your boy-/girlfriend gives you, even more if he had that much work getting them, even if it's the last crap on the world you should be thankful to him for trying!!! if it's not exactly what you wanted tell him and give him the chance to improve until next time, but don't go out and complain about it like a little child

nough said

[Flack]

Talk about revisionist history man.

The point of the original message was how your significant other bought you a bunch of crappy games -- NOT that the SNES HAS a lot of crappy games. Both may be true, but you can't post about one and then claim the other.

[Atari7800]

some points to add:

1. why don't you tell us who send you the mail, huh?

2. as i already said, there are some good games in the lot and even some gems, absolutely NO reason to complain about them

3. you're are very ungrateful person, no matter how hard you try to make us believe you didn't say what you said

4. it should be absolutely no problem to sell the 30 games away for more than those 100 bucks, another reason gone to be mad

5. NEVER should you complain about gifts your boy-/girlfriend gives you, even more if he had that much work getting them, even if it's the last crap on the world you should be thankful to him for trying!!! if it's not exactly what you wanted tell him and give him the chance to improve until next time, but don't go out and complain about it like a little child

nough said

nough said? I wish it were that easy. Fine. i'm feeling argumentative today, as are some of you.

1. As of yet, no one has asked me for the e-mail address containing the offensive link. It was a hotmail address that I did not recognize, and all it contained was the link. I did not follow the link... I am familiar with the site and its contents. I deleted the e-mail.

2. Have you been reading my posts? I have mentioned several games that I thought might have promise, and several people have suggested games that I may explore.

3. I am grateful for many things in my life. The fact that you would label me an "ungrateful person" based on a few paragraphs regarding one incident suggests but not not prove that you MIGHT not be very smart.

4. As my boyfriend is unaware that I don't like the vast majority of the games and gave me, I think that slapping the lot up on Ebay or making a deal with another trader would be insensitive at this time. Maybe in the future.

5. NEVER should you even TRY to think you know anything about anyone's personal relationships based on a post on a gaming site. This forum is used for many things... sharing, bitching, complaining, arguing. NEVER should you take personal offense at something that clearly was not directed at you. NEVER should you attempt to chastise a total stranger, and I believe by complaint was hardly child-like.

Grrrrr.......

[Atari7800]

Talk about revisionist history man.

The point of the original message was how your significant other bought you a bunch of crappy games -- NOT that the SNES HAS a lot of crappy games. Both may be true, but you can't post about one and then claim the other.

I'll just copy this...

Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I've gone back and re-read my posts. I certainly see a measure of bitchyness and ungratefulness, none of which was shared with the gift-giver. I also see a great deal of commentary about the Super Nintendo, as well as over 30 of my first impressions on various SNES games. I don't see any backtracking. I do see my attempt to convince a group of increasingly irritated gamers that the gift-giver was in no way aware that I thought the games sucked. Third time: I'm not heartless, people.

[Oobgarm]

I certainly see a measure of bitchyness and ungratefulness, none of which was shared with the gift-giver. I also see a great deal of commentary about the Super Nintendo, as well as over 30 of my first impressions on various SNES games

OK, he admitted what you all have been badgering him about in this thread, which has now ballooned to a surprising and mostly useless 3 pages.

Gay or not, whatever he is doing in his life does not affect you, nor are his opinion/actions/whatever changing because of what you all have said.

He's stated his case, you've stated yours. No one is going to budge here.

Can't we just let this go now?

[Atari7800]

I'm all for it. As of now, I will no longer visit this thread, let alone make comments. Thanks.

[Queen Of The Felines]

And on that note...

>>CLANK<<

Kristine