GTA: Vice City to be altered.

[spoon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/10/nyregion/10HAIT.html?ex=1072328400&en=2b461c0eee33feb9&ei=5004&partner=UNTD

I know someone else had posted about this. I couldn't find the post. Now there may be two copies of Vice City to collect.

[Dahne]

So killing white people is okay? LOL

I hope they just changed the words to "kill all the gang members", hehe.

[Starcade]

Kinda late now...

[chevy_chase]

Man... i think it's pretty sad they wanna change something like that.
The remark in the game is in no way racist.
in the game it's about the same as saying "kill the gangmembers",
only when you pull it out of contex and put it in a real world perspective it could be offensive.

[Darth Sensei]

Isn't it just a few missions after that where you have to defend the Haitians with a sniper rifle and you have to kill all the Cubans?

Why would Rockstar put out Manhunt and then cave on something silly like this?

D

[geelw]

because of bullshit :eek 2: - the game was out for OVER a year, and someone noticed around october 2003 (i think) that there was a mission where you kill haitian gang members. arnold diaz of ch. 2 news picked up the story and did a "shame on you" piece BLASTING rockstar games, and the furor took off from there. the story was SO biased, as it stated in promos and in the actual piece that vice city was "a game that targets a certain ethnic group" as if "haitians" were the only polygon characters that were being killed. it was an obvious move to go after rockstar games and VERY misguided news reporting in general. diaz even stalked rockstar's offices looking for the president of the company, and went on to make it seem like the company was profting from the "racist" angle in vice city- incredible! i remember when wolfenstein 3D came out, there was some buzz about the game "promoting nazism" because the folks who were outraged saw a screenshot of a hitler poster, and doom was called ":satanic" because of the pentagrams and demons from hell you encountered during the game... :evil:

anyway, it's all ridiculous. in gta III you're asked to kill off "black", "white", "chinese", "italian", and whatever other ethnic polygon characters, and the major complaints made were that the game was too violent, period (that's what ratings are for, folks). where are the cubans and dominicans complaining about the scarface references that vice city makes? where are the italians griping about the mob references? where are the hookers complaining about being beaten up for money (and candy suxx? well, any number of silicone enhanced porn stars can sue) and so forth, and so on...

i'd bet any money that the folks behind the complaints have not even played the game, nor do they understand that the mission in question is part of a larger, open ended work. sure the gta series is violent, and it shouldn't pull any punches for anyone. the world isn't as nice a place as the folks with blinders on 24/7 would like to believe, and picking on a videogame that hasn't caused a single crime (unless you count the copies that were stolen from retailers) is typical, and all too easy these days. what next? custer's revenge protests at the next cge? "kill all the haitians"? - how about "kill all the hate" instead... :angry: :hmm:

[1bigmig]

:roll: Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement yesterday, said he was "very pleased" that the game company had decided to "remove offensive statements made by characters in the game."

Well, now that the offensive statements have been removed, you wont have to wait as long to beat citizens on the streets with a bat and blow up ambulances. :roll: Political correctness gone too far? (rhetorical)

[Cmosfm]

and like I just posted in the 2nd topic made about this before I noticed the first one....

Oh wow, now we get to see all the previous PS2 game owners selling there "rare and uncut" copies of Vice City on eBay. Ya know, the "rare even though its sold millions of copies already" versions.

[kainemaxwell]

OMG, that is SO friggin stupid I can't even gather the words! Vice Ciy's been out, how long now, and NOW they wanna change it? That's pretty much defeating the purpose if the game's been out that long and they want to change it.

[Cmosfm]

OMG, that is SO friggin stupid I can't even gather the words! Vice Ciy's been out, how long now, and NOW they wanna change it? That's pretty much defeating the purpose if the game's been out that long and they want to change it.

Well, they changed ET when they rereleased it. I see this as making more sense than changing a movie that old!

[zmweasel]

Well, they changed ET when they rereleased it. I see this as making more sense than changing a movie that old!

The most notable change in the E.T. re-release (CG-replacing the cops' guns with walkie-talkies) was made because director Steven Spielberg, who's become a father since the original release in '82, was uncomfortable with the scenes of armed officers pursuing defenseless children. It was an unnecessary change, but it was Spielberg's right to make it, and he certainly wasn't pressured into making it by a dipshit TV reporter. (Then again, as any print journalist will gladly tell you after a few drinks, ALL TV reporters are dipshits.)

-- Z.

[Cmosfm]

Well, they changed ET when they rereleased it. I see this as making more sense than changing a movie that old!

The most notable change in the E.T. re-release (CG-replacing the cops' guns with walkie-talkies) was made because director Steven Spielberg, who's become a father since the original release in '82, was uncomfortable with the scenes of armed officers pursuing defenseless children. It was an unnecessary change, but it was Spielberg's right to make it, and he certainly wasn't pressured into making it by a dipshit TV reporter. (Then again, as any print journalist will gladly tell you after a few drinks, ALL TV reporters are dipshits.)

-- Z.

Actually, I was informed by more than one source it was changed due to the recent (at that time) terrorist attacks. I believe they also edited out the word "terrorist" in the movie too and dubbed another word in. Anyone 100% sure on this?

[pango]

well, this could be a good thing for gamers considering in 20 years, the "non-hation bashing" version of GTA:VC might become a rarity

[Cmosfm]

well, this could be a good thing for gamers considering in 20 years, the "non-hation bashing" version of GTA:VC might become a rarity

Not really, when in all reality its still selling like crazy and they will (if they have any sense) change it when the Greatest Hits versions is released, which is about time to be put out anyways. And ya know a GH version of a game goes on to sell millions of more copies on top of the millions and millions it has already sold. So I really doubt that the new versions will be any less "rare" than the old version.

[zmweasel]

Well, they changed ET when they rereleased it. I see this as making more sense than changing a movie that old!

The most notable change in the E.T. re-release (CG-replacing the cops' guns with walkie-talkies) was made because director Steven Spielberg, who's become a father since the original release in '82, was uncomfortable with the scenes of armed officers pursuing defenseless children. It was an unnecessary change, but it was Spielberg's right to make it, and he certainly wasn't pressured into making it by a dipshit TV reporter. (Then again, as any print journalist will gladly tell you after a few drinks, ALL TV reporters are dipshits.)

-- Z.

Actually, I was informed by more than one source it was changed due to the recent (at that time) terrorist attacks. I believe they also edited out the word "terrorist" in the movie too and dubbed another word in. Anyone 100% sure on this?

The "terrorist" line was also omitted from the original VHS release, which was well before 9/11. There's plenty of info on the changes here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/alternateversions

And here's a story in which Spielberg's personal spokesman states that "[Spielberg] wanted to change [the guns] from the mid-1980s, when he became a parent": http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48409,00.html

Time for you to find better sources, methinks.

-- Z.

[djbeatmongrel]

this is funny and very stupid at the same time. i find it funny that they make a fuss about the Haitain killing and not the Cubans. i also find it funny how "kill the haitians " was taken out of context. If you look at it, theres been fueds in real life between the haitians and cubans. theres also been conflict between other gangs wish a racial stint. Could you imagaine being told "kill off the people that we are conflicting with!" it is stupid. you dont see this crap happen when it comes to movies a year after release, why should it be any different between games.

The only time i think you should be concerned about stuff like that is if its in a kids game. could you imagine M.C. Kids with "Kill the Haitians!" thats when you should be concerned.

if this post is slighty incoherent, don't mind it.

[Cmosfm]

Well, they changed ET when they rereleased it. I see this as making more sense than changing a movie that old!

The most notable change in the E.T. re-release (CG-replacing the cops' guns with walkie-talkies) was made because director Steven Spielberg, who's become a father since the original release in '82, was uncomfortable with the scenes of armed officers pursuing defenseless children. It was an unnecessary change, but it was Spielberg's right to make it, and he certainly wasn't pressured into making it by a dipshit TV reporter. (Then again, as any print journalist will gladly tell you after a few drinks, ALL TV reporters are dipshits.)

-- Z.

Actually, I was informed by more than one source it was changed due to the recent (at that time) terrorist attacks. I believe they also edited out the word "terrorist" in the movie too and dubbed another word in. Anyone 100% sure on this?

The "terrorist" line was also omitted from the original VHS release, which was well before 9/11. There's plenty of info on the changes here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/alternateversions

And here's a story in which Spielberg's personal spokesman states that "[Spielberg] wanted to change [the guns] from the mid-1980s, when he became a parent": http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48409,00.html

Time for you to find better sources, methinks.

-- Z.

Thats what I get for skimming and not paying that much attention to long articles. you win this round me boy, but next time, Mwhahahahahaha :evil:

[Zaxxon]

They may not really change it. They don't have to, they just have to say they're going to, but never really do it. Now that the media heard what it wanted to hear they'll go back to covering MJ and Trista's wedding and forget about it.

[Gamereviewgod]

Same scenario as Maniac Mansion on the NES. I'm bettin' it won't be changed.

[MarioAllStar2600]

What's teh point? Most people already have teh game. I hate these rights people- LEAVE OUR GAMES ALONE DAMMIT!

[Duncan]

What's teh point? Most people already have teh game. I hate these rights people- LEAVE OUR GAMES ALONE DAMMIT!

Hey, there's nothing wrong with defending people's rights -- in fact, I'd like to see more of that in the world.

But to me, removing one line of dialogue in an entirely fictional video game seems like a very petty victory. And I would guess that the reporter who supposedly broke this "shocking expose" is probably more concerned about getting a Murrow Award than changing anyone's life. :roll:

[BHvrd]

:roll: Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement yesterday, said he was "very pleased" that the game company had decided to "remove offensive statements made by characters in the game."

Well, now that the offensive statements have been removed, you wont have to wait as long to beat citizens on the streets with a bat and blow up ambulances. :roll: Political correctness gone too far? (rhetorical)


Indeed.

[spoon]

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox/games/news/32017.shtml

The end of this article pretty much sums it up. Linked by Neil Koch in another thread.

[pango]

What's teh point? Most people already have teh game. I hate these rights people- LEAVE OUR GAMES ALONE DAMMIT!

damn republicans...probably

[pango]

What's teh point? Most people already have teh game. I hate these rights people- LEAVE OUR GAMES ALONE DAMMIT!

damn republicans...probably

[ManekiNeko]

:roll: Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement yesterday, said he was "very pleased" that the game company had decided to "remove offensive statements made by characters in the game."

Well, now that the offensive statements have been removed, you wont have to wait as long to beat citizens on the streets with a bat and blow up ambulances. :roll: Political correctness gone too far? (rhetorical)


Indeed.

Bloomberg is well on his way to turning the state of New York into a police state. He's already banned smoking in EVERY public place. And people thought Rudolph Guiliani was frightening...

JR

[ManekiNeko]

:roll: Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement yesterday, said he was "very pleased" that the game company had decided to "remove offensive statements made by characters in the game."

Well, now that the offensive statements have been removed, you wont have to wait as long to beat citizens on the streets with a bat and blow up ambulances. :roll: Political correctness gone too far? (rhetorical)


Indeed.

Bloomberg is well on his way to turning the state of New York into a police state. He's already banned smoking in EVERY public place. And people thought Rudolph Guiliani was frightening...

JR

[geelw]

:roll: Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement yesterday, said he was "very pleased" that the game company had decided to "remove offensive statements made by characters in the game."

Well, now that the offensive statements have been removed, you wont have to wait as long to beat citizens on the streets with a bat and blow up ambulances. :roll: Political correctness gone too far? (rhetorical)


Indeed.

Bloomberg is well on his way to turning the state of New York into a police state. He's already banned smoking in EVERY public place. And people thought Rudolph Guiliani was frightening...

JR

well, smoking is bad for you in the long run... playing good games hasn't killed anyone (responsible) yet... LOL

[geelw]

:roll: Mr. Bloomberg, in a statement yesterday, said he was "very pleased" that the game company had decided to "remove offensive statements made by characters in the game."

Well, now that the offensive statements have been removed, you wont have to wait as long to beat citizens on the streets with a bat and blow up ambulances. :roll: Political correctness gone too far? (rhetorical)


Indeed.

Bloomberg is well on his way to turning the state of New York into a police state. He's already banned smoking in EVERY public place. And people thought Rudolph Guiliani was frightening...

JR

well, smoking is bad for you in the long run... playing good games hasn't killed anyone (responsible) yet... LOL