I wonder where we would be today if there was never an NES?

[Cmosfm]

Ya know, if Nintendo never revived the video game market in the early 80's. I wonder if anyone else would have tried to...it was dead at that point and if Nintendo passed on the idea we may not have video games today. Whats everyones thoughts on this subject?

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[MarioAllStar2600]

There wouldn't be three different systems out right now. Graphiclly I tihnk we would be in teh same spot, but the market wouldn't be making as much money.

[digitalpress]

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DUDE!

This topic HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24777

;)

[Cmosfm]

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DUDE!

This topic HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24777

;)

:o I seen this and then I got really pissed. I was like "****, Not AGAIN!"...then i clicked on it...good one Joe. :D

[SpasticFuctard]

CLANK! :D

SF - so many browsers open, when will the recursion stop!!! I'm lost in an infinite loop of trying to find the very first time this topic was discussed! ;)

[le geek]

Resisting temptation to add two cents until original topic found... :evil:

[Sotenga]

Joe, you big meanie. :P LOL

A world without the Nintendo Entertainment System...

http://resnet.uidaho.edu/rha/borah/nuclear.jpg

It's a little crude, but you get the idea. @_@

[IGotTheDot]

I would have a smaller videogame room.

[pango]

i would cease to exist.

[Achika]

I would have been playing more Mickey's Castle of Illusion rather than Mickey Mousecapade as a kid.

[AB Positive]

Who knows, the NES doesn't come out, video games don't evolve, we don't get the TG-16 and Neo Geo... and CHAOS!


plus I wouldn't have all those hentai doujinshi of KoF women...


-AG

[Ed Oscuro]

naughty

Well, I bet you Sony would've stepped right up; maybe Konami and maybe Capcom would've had their own mainstream systems (CPS Changer don't count).

[Dr. Morbis]

SMS would have RULED THE WORLD!!!!!


or


Atari 7800 would have RULED THE WORLD!!!!!
(not bloody likely)

[Duncan]

I might never have progressed beyond the RCA Studio II.



Yeah, you heard me... @_@

[Arqueologia_Digital]

Well...SMS RULES!!!!!!YEAH!!!NO STUPID NES GAMES LIKE CHEETAHMEN, ADVENTURES OF TOM SAWYER, MASTER CHU, etc.

Matías

[Ruudos]

Action 52 would have been released for SMS!

[AB Positive]

Action 52 would have been released for SMS!

And the gods would have cried.




naughty

That's not what I wrote and you know it! :D

-AG

[Oobgarm]

This poses a unique quandry(well, except for the other time (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24777) this topic was mentioned) into a few different things, but mainly how much the NES has influenced the current US market.

As mentioned previously, the NES resurrected the videogame industry after it crashed. But what if it wasn't around? What if the Atari 7800 and Sega Master System didn't have it to compete against? Would we still be buying Atari consoles, and would Sony have ventured on the Playstation had they not partnered with Nintendo on the SNES CD attachment? Would Microsoft stick to PC products rather than making the Xbox? Where would creativity be? Where would we be without some of those genre-defining NES titles?

Here's what I think.

Atari would be in the same spot they are now-publishing games. I still don't think that they would have been able to shake the image of the company that was a main catalyst in the market crash.

This is all considering that Sega went ahead and released the SMS here.

The 8 Bit years: Sega would be the top dog, and, had Nintendo jumped on the bandwagon late, they would follow right behind--basically reversing history. The Master System would have been the classic system that everyone owned, and Sonic the Hedgehog would be the Mario of today. The Turbo Grafx would have been a better seller, but still not enough to dethrone Sega.

Handhelds: Even if Nintendo had passed on the NES here, I still think the Game Boy would be the leader in this market. Everything would be pretty much the same, with the only changes being in some of the software released.

16/32 Bit generation: Once again, Sega comes out on top. It’s tough to say what kind of competition it would have faced, since Sega and Nintendo were the only big hitters in that era. Sega still would have blundered with the Sega CD and 32x, beginning their decline(much like the N64). The Saturn would have been a better system than it really was, but not a mega-hit. They wouldn’t have rushed it out.

This brings us to the most difficult time to consider: Playstation/Dreamcast. Since the Playstation was the (partial) product of the botched SNES CD add-on, it’s tough to say that they would have entered the market the same way. I personally believe that they would have a majority presence in the market, but not as powerful as they are now. Therefore, we’d still see the Dreamcast and PS2, but I honestly don’t think that the market would have the mainstream saturation that it currently has.

Microsoft? No Xbox here. They wouldn’t have seen it as a legitimate business venture, so they most likely would have passed.

Now that we’ve got the consoles out of the way, what about creativity and the direction game development would go?

I don’t think we’d be at quite the same level we’re at now mechanically, perhaps a generation back. Like it or not, Nintendo is responsible for many genre-defining titles, and without those, it would take developers a bit longer to reach this point. We also might be without Nintendo’s rumble feature and analogue stick, both of which paved the way for the controllers of today.
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Those are my thoughts, take them for what you will.

[Gamemaster_ca_2003]

I really do not want to think about it but. From my point of view there are several outcomes.

1. Sega would be in control with No one else chalanging them.

2. Atari, Mattel and Coleco would still be fighting it out to this day.

3. We would be at the mercy of Microsoft and Bill Gates.

and
4. We would be playing more board games and all the technology will be developed for military purposes only.

[Gamemaster_ca_2003]

I really do not want to think about it but. From my point of view there are several outcomes.

1. Sega would be in control with No one else chalanging them.

2. Atari, Mattel and Coleco would still be fighting it out to this day.

3. We would be at the mercy of Microsoft and Bill Gates.

and
4. We would be playing more board games and all the technology will be developed for military purposes only.

[hu6800]

Ya know, if Nintendo never revived the video game market in the early 80's. I wonder if anyone else would have tried to...it was dead at that point and if Nintendo passed on the idea we may not have video games today. Whats everyones thoughts on this subject?

(Disclaimer: I have a bad habit if making topics that have already been done, if this subject has already been discussed please feel free to close this topic as usual, mods :D )

You would be playing a turbografx 16... thats what.
I never gave a crap about the nes until AFTER the snes was released.
i was too busy playing pcengine stuff.
I mean its true Nintendo had a big hand in bringing videogames to another level but, im sure it gaming woulda moved without the NES.

[hu6800]

Ya know, if Nintendo never revived the video game market in the early 80's. I wonder if anyone else would have tried to...it was dead at that point and if Nintendo passed on the idea we may not have video games today. Whats everyones thoughts on this subject?

(Disclaimer: I have a bad habit if making topics that have already been done, if this subject has already been discussed please feel free to close this topic as usual, mods :D )

You would be playing a turbografx 16... thats what.
I never gave a crap about the nes until AFTER the snes was released.
i was too busy playing pcengine stuff.
I mean its true Nintendo had a big hand in bringing videogames to another level but, im sure it gaming woulda moved without the NES.

[Ed Oscuro]

Precisely. This might be backpedaling from what I posted earlier, but I actually think Konami, Capcom, Sony, and maybe Sharp would've stuck to their arcade games and computers (respectively), as well as developed software for the larger consoles.

[Ed Oscuro]

Precisely. This might be backpedaling from what I posted earlier, but I actually think Konami, Capcom, Sony, and maybe Sharp would've stuck to their arcade games and computers (respectively), as well as developed software for the larger consoles.

[le geek]

We all be playing computer games that probably still connected to your teevee! The crash did not affect the computers that much (correct me if I'm wrong). So we'd still have Commodore, Atari, Apple, and PC Jrs around...

My 2 cents...

Cheers,
Ben

[le geek]

We all be playing computer games that probably still connected to your teevee! The crash did not affect the computers that much (correct me if I'm wrong). So we'd still have Commodore, Atari, Apple, and PC Jrs around...

My 2 cents...

Cheers,
Ben

[Ed Oscuro]

Look, folks.

Taking out a "key player" in the grand scheme of things would change the faces we've grown to love, changed the brand names we've memorized...it would not slow down the progress of technology.

In fact, I think that computing would be virtually identical today if Microsoft wasn't a key player -- UNIX would just have better-looking programs, and Apple computers would be more popular. The modern PC architecture -- a modular system designed to be easily upgraded and allow inexpensive and expensive parts from different manufacturers fit into the same whole system -- would likely be nearly identical to what we have today, though perhaps without a Microsoft we would've seen OSes-on-a-Flash-Card (like the Go-L Computers (http://www.go-l.com/monitors/index.htm) are finally starting to do for performance) sooner than we have in this current climate. Hard Drives instead of magneto-optical or "superchip" wafer hard drives like Sinclair was interested in? You bet. Monitors instead of TVs? Of course.

[Ed Oscuro]

Look, folks.

Taking out a "key player" in the grand scheme of things would change the faces we've grown to love, changed the brand names we've memorized...it would not slow down the progress of technology.

In fact, I think that computing would be virtually identical today if Microsoft wasn't a key player -- UNIX would just have better-looking programs, and Apple computers would be more popular. The modern PC architecture -- a modular system designed to be easily upgraded and allow inexpensive and expensive parts from different manufacturers fit into the same whole system -- would likely be nearly identical to what we have today, though perhaps without a Microsoft we would've seen OSes-on-a-Flash-Card (like the Go-L Computers (http://www.go-l.com/monitors/index.htm) are finally starting to do for performance) sooner than we have in this current climate. Hard Drives instead of magneto-optical or "superchip" wafer hard drives like Sinclair was interested in? You bet. Monitors instead of TVs? Of course.

[jhd7]

Without the NES, the video game market would be a shadow of its' current self. The technology would still be the same, as Intel, Motorola, and Microsoft didn't depend on video games to advance themselves.

But video games? Don't discount Nintendo's investment and marketing techniques (love 'em or hate 'em). It was only through Nintendo's aggressiveness that the market was revitalized. Others, such as Sega and Atari, jumped in when they saw Nintendo's success. Would retailers have been open to the SMS as just another game system? As good as it was, I doubt it. And how many would have given Atari another opportunity after the '83-'84 disaster? I'll bet zero.

Sooner or later, Sega or NEC would have come across the Pacific to tap the US market. Video games would have been resurrected eventually, but wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry. Yes, Sega would have been the big fish. But it would be the big fish in a small pond, not the giant ocean that exists today.

Just my opinion. :)

[jhd7]

Without the NES, the video game market would be a shadow of its' current self. The technology would still be the same, as Intel, Motorola, and Microsoft didn't depend on video games to advance themselves.

But video games? Don't discount Nintendo's investment and marketing techniques (love 'em or hate 'em). It was only through Nintendo's aggressiveness that the market was revitalized. Others, such as Sega and Atari, jumped in when they saw Nintendo's success. Would retailers have been open to the SMS as just another game system? As good as it was, I doubt it. And how many would have given Atari another opportunity after the '83-'84 disaster? I'll bet zero.

Sooner or later, Sega or NEC would have come across the Pacific to tap the US market. Video games would have been resurrected eventually, but wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry. Yes, Sega would have been the big fish. But it would be the big fish in a small pond, not the giant ocean that exists today.

Just my opinion. :)

[le geek]

Again I think we would be playing games on Computers. I don't think computer games were affected by the crash. This assumes that another video game player wasn't released into the market later...

Conversely perhaps computers would have branched out and cheap[er] boxes like C64 would have continued to be on the market, made by Apple Microsoft Dell whoever... So there would be cheap "game" computers and more expensive full size computers.

How about the interface? No gamepads? Would Mouse games be more common place?

Thoughts?

Ben

[le geek]

Again I think we would be playing games on Computers. I don't think computer games were affected by the crash. This assumes that another video game player wasn't released into the market later...

Conversely perhaps computers would have branched out and cheap[er] boxes like C64 would have continued to be on the market, made by Apple Microsoft Dell whoever... So there would be cheap "game" computers and more expensive full size computers.

How about the interface? No gamepads? Would Mouse games be more common place?

Thoughts?

Ben