Nintendo and their devoted following

[YoshiM]

NOTE: This is NOT some sort of post Battlezone topic for gratutious mud slinging. Let's keep it civil. I'm not out to bash the hardcore fans of Nintendo but may use "defamatory" words to describe a point, so please keep all flamethrowers in the "warm" setting. Thank you :D


I think I read the quote in one of these boards in regards to negativity toward a favorite console that went something like "An Atari fan will just shrug [at a comment against Atari] but a Nintendo fan will rip your head off." Months, nay maybe a year ago I'd laugh at how ridiculous that sounded. I find myself nodding to that comment in acknowledgement to a growing situation found within many messageboards and newsgroups across the Net.

To see examples of how that phrase came about one just has to go to places like IGN and visit the Gamecube message boards. Regularly one sees heated arguments about IGN reviews, editorials and news posts. It generally boils down to how stupid the reviewer/editor/news reporter is and how wrong they are. The 1080: Avalanche review is a perfect example-IGN gave it a 7.something and basically described it more as a "racing" game compared to SSX 3. The review compared SSX 3 and 1080 and said that (basically) SSX 3 was an overall better game. The roar of the faithful could probably be heard all the way from the seldom visited Arcade boards. The reviewer was raked across the coals saying that 1080 was better than SSX 3, that he should have never compared the two games (one even said he should have compared it to Wave Race as they are "similar"), that SSX 3 was more "arcadey" and 1080 was more "realistic" thus the reviewer didn't like it and that IGNCube has a thing against Nintendo for the last few months. The funny thing was, other than for European gamers, 1080 wasn't in stores when the review hit. Based purely on blind faith in Nintendo and past experience with the N64 predecessor (for those who played it), IGN was wrong. Some compared other publications that listed better scores than IGN and labeled mentioed publications as "better". All in all it was just plain silly.

Why is this? What is it about Nintendo that makes a lot of people go into a witch hunt when there is negativity towards ANYTHING Nintendo? Saying something like "I thought Super Mario Sunshine stank because..." to one of these die-hards is like you took the fan's pet hamster, anally raped it with a pine cone while smiling singing "I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts". Okay, so the singing part is a bit over the top but if you read responses to such posts you probably understand what I mean. I know there has always been console rivalry (SNES vs. Genesis anyone?) but I've never seen it get so verbally nasty.

Let's talk on this. I (and I'm sure others) would really like to know why the strong followers of Mario defend the company so tooth and nail. Air out the laundry. Don't like what Time posted? Okay, why? Think that people have it out for Nintendo? Okay, what makes you think that? Let's get this out there so we all know where everyone is coming from about Mushroom Kingdom. Examples as to why you think the way you do (like web links) would help give cred.

Mods, if you think this is just a can of gas just waiting to be lit by all means slap a padlock on it. After the recent Time article discussion I think this subject is something we should touch on ESPECIALLY within our community.

[Scoots]

What is there to talk about? This has been going on forever, for every system. People are stupid, end of story.

[Captain Wrong]

I think I read the quote in one of these boards in regards to negativity toward a favorite console that went something like "An Atari fan will just shrug [at a comment against Atari] but a Nintendo fan will rip your head off."

I think I said that, and if I didn't I know I've thought it.

I really don't have an answer. I've hung aroung the Neo scene, which has a pretty bad reputation sometimes and I'm sorry, they are nowhere near as bad. Yeah, there are fanboys for seemingly everything, but Nintendo seems to inspire a special breed.

I just play games, you now? A multinational company is just that and doesn't need me out defending it like it's a member of the family. All my fave game companies have made stupid decisions (Sega, SNK, anyone?) but I can deal with someone pointing it out because it's true. I don't get why some people take critizism leveled at Nintendo personally. If you ran the company, I could understand, but you're just some schlub on a message board.

Whatever.

*counts the minutes til the head ripping off begins and this thread is locked*

[IntvGene]

People connect with the games from their childhood, and identify with Nintendo. And take things personally when it comes to defending this multi-billion dollar company. I know it sounds crazy, but people need to realize that any of these companies don't give a rat's ass about you. It's all about money, and that's that. It's just the way it is. There will be no Nintendo medal of honor that will be posthumously awarded to you for your years of service.

I think that Nintendo is just the main culprit because it is what people identified with mostly when they were kids. I'm sure we'll have our Sony defenders ten or fifteen years from now, assuming they're stilll around. I think maturity has a lot to do with it. And, I think it is a sub-group, the perhaps, less-mature Nintendo fanboys that do it the worst. I've met Nintendo fanboys who can understand rational arguments, and can listen to what people are saying without making attacks.

[badinsults]

Most of those people complaining are merely kids who have nothing better to do than to flame. Or at least I hope they are kids.

[Oobgarm]

You might not care, Capn', but can I at least have my hamster back when you're done with him? ;) LOL

Seriuosly, though, IntvGene nailed it, and Evan added in another truth.

Either they remember Nintendo as a kid and don't want to hear the name sullied, or they're kids with nothing better to do. That's that.

Otherwise, it could be a mental imbalance. x_x

[Captain Wrong]

You might not care, Capn', but can I at least have my hamster back when you're done with him? ;) LOL

:hmm:

You lost me.

[Oobgarm]

I was only kiddin' with ya. :P


Saying something like "I thought Super Mario Sunshine stank because..." to one of these die-hards is like you took the fan's pet hamster, anally raped it with a pine cone while smiling singing "I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts".

I dislike this blatant fanboy stuff as much as you.

[SoulBlazer]

I think it also could be in part because people who own a GC and a GBA and KNOW how many great games are on the systems are disapointed Nintendo is not doing better and they can't figure out why. It's kind of like Sega fanboys with the Dreamcast a few years ago. "We know this is great" they are saying. "We know this kicks the ass of the PS2. Why is'nt this in number one?"

But I must go on record for my dislike of the term 'fanboy'. A fanboy to me has always been someone who enjoys a companies games or projects -- not someone who bashes all the other companies. I consider myself a fanboy of Nintendo -- and of Sony -- and of Konami -- and..... LOL

[gamegirl79]

I really find the whole 'fanboy' attitude extremely immature. Sony fanboys, MS fanboys, Sega fanboys, Nintendo fanboys, it doesn't matter. There are subtle differences between them but they are all still very much the same. There's a difference between respectfully giving a personal opinion on why you may not like a certain console, and blatantly bashing it with no reasoning whatsoever. It's really getting old.

Why does it matter so much which console is selling the most units this week? Who cares that graphics look 'slightly better' on Xbox than on PS2? Do these 'fanboys' spend more time playing video games or arguing about them? I tend to think the latter.

I personally don't think any one console is superior to another. Like many others here, I own several consoles both old and new and I enjoy them all for different reasons. Why not just enjoy the systems and game we have for what they are instead of acting like a bunch of little brats?

[Ed Oscuro]

I wonder if there would've been fanboyism of this sort back in the days when you had the Coleco versus the Intellivision versus the Atari VCS systems. I doubt you had much outside of print, though; when meeting face-to-face people tend to let comments slide.

I think that the fact we have this Internet to talk about the different systems on is the culprit for the widespread nature of the current console wars. People have closer access to other people's foolishness, and the lack of fear about lashing out on the 'Net means people don't think twice about flaming.

[digitalpress]

I really find the whole 'fanboy' attitude extremely immature. Sony fanboys, MS fanboys, Sega fanboys, Nintendo fanboys, it doesn't matter. There are subtle differences between them but they are all still very much the same. There's a difference between respectfully giving a personal opinion on why you may not like a certain console, and blatantly bashing it with no reasoning whatsoever. It's really getting old.

Right on, fangirl! ;)


I personally don't think any one console is superior to another. Like many others here, I own several consoles both old and new and I enjoy them all for different reasons. Why not just enjoy the systems and game we have for what they are instead of acting like a bunch of little brats?

I share this opinion with you to the letter. I have my favorites but I enjoy ALL of my consoles. I think people who really understand the timelessness of video gaming understand this as well. Those who don't get caught up in the moment defending either the system they currently own (because that HAS to be the best one) or the company who created the system they first owned (techno-religion). I don't get it, and I don't want to get it. I just want to play and discuss games with others who want to play.

So Gamegirl.... wanna play? :kiss:

[Aswald]

Since the original NES generation is now 15+ years older, has Nintendo taken that into account? I'm not familiar with the lineup of Gamecube games.

What about arcade to home translations?

[NE146]

I would think that the majority of people on these boards are pretty much console whores.

With collecting as many consoles (to have/play as many videogames as possible) Who has time to give a crap about one console "vs.". the other anymore? LOL

Alls I know is I like 'em all. :) Some more than others.. but that's just a function of what games I have for it.

[Oobgarm]

I used to post game reviews at Videogamereview.com all the time, and I ended up spending a few years with their community. While I found a few individuals I enjoyed conversing with, their boards were (and still are) rampant with blatant fanboyism. I can understand something like that occurring on a board dedicated to a particular system, but that’s not to say I understand why it’s necessary. So I left there, and came here, where (mostly) everyone is level headed and can discuss the topic at hand without letting their personal bias cloud the vision entirely. Sure, it’s OK to have a bit of bias in your discussion, it’s almost natural to. But to blindly praise a system and bash all of it’s competitors is silly and immature. It’s like I said in an older thread: Everyone’s made their points, and further discussion is obviously not going to persuade anyone to hop ship and join the other side. There’s no need for it, so why continue?

When did everything change and become about the systems themselves? When did everyone stop enjoying their games and feel the need to argue about superiority on the internet? Are games that uninteresting anymore? I certainly don’t think so, and I know there are plenty of us that agree.

[Zubiac666]

you think nintendo fanboys are bad?
please just take one good look at some x-box boards.
What most of them do/say/post is just ridiculous!
and NOONE complains!
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An Atari fan will just shrug [at a comment against Atari] but a Nintendo fan will rip your head off

I always knew we're something special :D
*Rips head off*

[Raccoon Lad]

Oh yeah, well the Sega Master System is better than the X-Box, and here's the MANY reasons why:..... ;)

[YoshiM]

I think that the fact we have this Internet to talk about the different systems on is the culprit for the widespread nature of the current console wars. People have closer access to other people's foolishness, and the lack of fear about lashing out on the 'Net means people don't think twice about flaming.

Bing! I think so too. I remember there was some banter back and forth in the past but that was usually with a small group of people you talked with face to face at school or at the mall. With personal experiences I can't really remember a "oh yeah, well [insert console] here is better" except for three instances: one where I discovered the NES for the first time and the owner of deck said it was "better than Atari", a comparison between a CoCo and a Commodore 64 (C64 is better, I was told) and a comparison between a CoCo and an IBM PC Compatibile (IBM was better). That's really it. Any other banter was usually which game was better.


Zubiac666: yeah the Xbox people can be bad too but IMO the sillyness ratio teeters to the GC side way more often, if you use IGN as the base for measurement. I surf those boards more for entertainment more than for information or fellowship. Besides, maybe people don't complain because they feel as though Xboxers are swept up by the Redmond Mind Ray. ;)

Aswald: Arcade to home translations are pretty much a dead issue. I can't think of any recent translations other than Soul Calibur 2.

[Ed Oscuro]

Did you just bing me? Fool, I'll cut you![/bratwurst]

(one of the all time best quotes at these forums)

:)

Actually, I think most of the "fanboyism" occurs when people attack the parent company. Back in the day people just went into a store and didn't have any information on that company besides how many of each kind of game system were sitting on the shelf--I don't think many people had a system set up to see if games of type X were selling (chalk mark on the box side, perhaps?) so you really couldn't say "oh I hear X company is doing so bad!" "Screw you hippie they r0x!"

Now we get these "System Manufacturer X is going down!" type posts and people can't handle it (and I myself hate it when people use incorrect figures or make a mountain out of a molehill...I suppose you can allow yourself to get mad on the basis that people not buying a system because of their fears it won't sell is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy, but it's still just the Internet.


Some people have their own favorite football team. It's the same sort of thing--you pick a favorite, and when (you think) people are talking junk about your system, it's time to ruuuumble! Beat their face into the wall! That sort of thing.

[lendelin]

I think Ed Oscuro hit the nail on it's head. I think the blame/defense game was always there, but with the Internet it shifted from limited face to face exchange to public posting and therefore results in an increase of perception. We just notice it more;

additionally, non-personal exchange tends to be more radical, you don't have to look into someones rolling eyes while presenting unreasonable arguments, and the awareness that not only ONE listens to you but around twenty people tends to give opinins a more pamphlet character. You try to CONVINCE others, you tend to deliver propaganda becasue you know the audience is out there.

N supporters react more agressively becasue N is now the underdog, not the market leader anymore. It's funny to read the present streotypes for and against Sony and N, becasue they are exchangeable and were there when it comes to the old Nintendo/Sega war. Sega supporters took on an elitist attitude sometimes as the better niche choice, while N faced the "mainstream", big bad-money-obsessed-company stereotype which now Sony faces. The "real" gamers claim to be on the side of the underdog, and the poor mainstreamers are less knowledgeable about games and go for the established system.

It's all non-sense. There aren't significant hardware differences anymore between the consoles. The more similar the systems became, and the more similar the games became, the more the need to find artificial and exaggerated differences of sytems and/or individual games. The more convergences there are, the more there is a backlash to stress differences in order to preserve identity and justify sales purchases.

It's all non-sense. A good game is a good game no matter on which console it was released. Those die-hard supporters/attackers overlook the simple fact that the decision of third party developers to produce for a certain system is economically based, nothing else. They produce for the GC, PS2 or XBox according to which system racks in the most profit for an individual game. It's a cost/benefit calculation, and "fanboy" arguments don't play a role at all.

A Panzer Dragoon Orta is a great game, it 'just happens' to be on the XBox. A devil may Cry or Onimusha would still be great and exactly the same games if they were available on the GC.

Experienced gamers don't fall for hype. They know when they play a good game if it kicks it in their butt. New exciting hardware specs come and go, new generation systems always come, great and bad games always come, and only about ten percent of all released games no matter on which console are actually worthwhile playing. If you want to play the best games out there, you need all current ssytems, becasue each one of them has first-rate exclusive titles. The most established system gets the deepest and varied game library, that's all, that was always the case. That's important for hardware manufacturers and game developers, not for gamers who have all three systems.

Radical defense/blame games about the systems are for inexperienced, non-knowledgable gamers. The differences between the consoles are minor, today more so than ever.

[Aswald]

Really? Arcade to home translations are no longer a factor? Is the arcade scene THAT bad now?

[Raedon]

I want to hear Nvrmore's stance on this.. because she is the only person qualified to talk about nintendo.. She told me so herself!

[ghsqb]

YoshiM to answer your question, I believe that statement to be somewhat true, and I can only venture a guess as to the reason.

For many of us that grew up with pre-NES systems, there was always a choice, Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, and certainly there were other, lesser know options, but generally, those were the three.

As such, I think that many of us who owned one system, knew someone who owned one of the other ones, and as such we could appreciate the quality titles on the different systems.

Now fast forward a bit, and those that grew up with the NES, at least in North America, didn't have a whole lot of options.
Face it, I know the SMS was out there, but the NES was the dominant machine of its era by far, and it can be argued is responsible for the renaissance of the home video game concept.

Look a little deeper into that and see the sphere of influence Nintendo had.
Remember the World Championships?
The movie the Wizard?
Hell Nintendo became synonymous with "video game" as people started refering to gaming as playing Nintendo, instead of a brand, it defined the event.

Now most of us here have fond memories of our youth, and many of those memories involve gaming.

For anyone who grew up with NES those memories are almost exclusively tied to the NES, whereas with our group, fond memories relating to gaming aren't exclusive to any one console.

Thats one reason Big N has inspired such loyalty and passion from its fanbase.

To slog Big N, is synonymous with slagging those gaming memories, and by definition, slagging gaming in general, in the minds of many.
Even if its on a subconsious level.

Thats my theory, call it a bunch of bunk if you will, but thats what I'm coming with.

[Spoony Bard]

Really? Arcade to home translations are no longer a factor? Is the arcade scene THAT bad now?
In the US, pretty much. There are arguments as to why, but that's another discussion.

The Japanese arcade scene is very well off though. Matter of fact, when it comes to Sega, the arcade division is where the profit comes from (they make about twice as much in arcade as they lose in console).

[Raedon]

Face it, I know the SMS was out there, but the NES was the dominant machine of its era by far, and it can be argued is responsible for the renaissance of the home video game concept.



Actually I had more friends with C64's and Apple II's then NES systems during that time.. in fact the only reason I ever got a NES was to trade games with a few kids who had them. I didn't get one until they were $99. I had already sold my C64 for an Amiga before I ever got a NES. I think I only had 3 friends that got NES systems.. the rest had an old atari or INTV locked away and a C64/IBM/Apple II/coco/ti99. Around 89 is when NES took off in my town.. and it was because the prices on the system dropped really low. Then everyone found out games cost 1/2 what the system did.
Game libraries for the NES at any given house was under 10 games average. People with Computers had libraries into the 100's.. I give credit to Nintendo in the 80's getting the console market (in the US) back on it's feet, nothing more.. The C64 had more quality titles and a larger install base to 1989, that cannot be argued. I love Zelda, Metroid, Mario, and I will love them in the future when they are on whatever console is around, but if they play lake the GC versions (minus Metroid, which rocks) forget it.

[Raedon]

Face it, I know the SMS was out there, but the NES was the dominant machine of its era by far, and it can be argued is responsible for the renaissance of the home video game concept.



Actually I had more friends with C64's and Apple II's then NES systems during that time.. in fact the only reason I ever got a NES was to trade games with a few kids who had them. I didn't get one until they were $99. I had already sold my C64 for an Amiga before I ever got a NES. I think I only had 3 friends that got NES systems.. the rest had an old atari or INTV locked away and a C64/IBM/Apple II/coco/ti99. Around 89 is when NES took off in my town.. and it was because the prices on the system dropped really low. Then everyone found out games cost 1/2 what the system did.
Game libraries for the NES at any given house was under 10 games average. People with Computers had libraries into the 100's.. I give credit to Nintendo in the 80's getting the console market (in the US) back on it's feet, nothing more.. The C64 had more quality titles and a larger install base to 1989, that cannot be argued. I love Zelda, Metroid, Mario, and I will love them in the future when they are on whatever console is around, but if they play lake the GC versions (minus Metroid, which rocks) forget it.

[ghsqb]

Raedon, I can't contest anything you've said, I don't have any facts to back me up.

I can tell you from my experience it was almost exactly the opposite.
I knew very few people who had a C64 or Amiga back in the day.
I was always known for having all the different systems when I was younger, and I never had a C64.

Wasn't the C64 quite expensive back in the day?
And being that it was marketed as a computer more than a videogame system (from my memory anyway), in my circle of friends the C64 didn't register much interest.

You make a great point about the average size of the libraries though.
The cost of the carts made large collections prohibitive for the most part.

I have no issues with your takes on Nintendo, I also believe you have no axe to grind with them.
Whats your take on why Big N inspires this kind of rabid fanboyism?

[ghsqb]

Raedon, I can't contest anything you've said, I don't have any facts to back me up.

I can tell you from my experience it was almost exactly the opposite.
I knew very few people who had a C64 or Amiga back in the day.
I was always known for having all the different systems when I was younger, and I never had a C64.

Wasn't the C64 quite expensive back in the day?
And being that it was marketed as a computer more than a videogame system (from my memory anyway), in my circle of friends the C64 didn't register much interest.

You make a great point about the average size of the libraries though.
The cost of the carts made large collections prohibitive for the most part.

I have no issues with your takes on Nintendo, I also believe you have no axe to grind with them.
Whats your take on why Big N inspires this kind of rabid fanboyism?

[Raedon]

first off, I want to ask your age.
second, I want to know what kind of computer you first owned.

that being said The C64 was expensive when it was released 2 years before the NES. By 1985 the retail price of a C64 and floppy was $200-250 and the NES was what, $299.99. Also at that time there were 100's of people in every city trying to sell them off because They had found a better computer, usually a PC with a Hard Diskor Mac. Some just couldn't figure out how to use it to balance a check book (remember, these were not simple items for joe, no gamer to use.) You could easily pick up a used C64 with a floppy, tape, printer, and monitor for $200 used when the NES came out. And a C64 always came with 20-40 floppies of pirated software..


Whats your take on why Big N inspires this kind of rabid fanboyism?

People idolized the idea of the original Nintendo, not the games I guess sometimes. You can put up two posts, one whould be "Nintendo is in trouble." and the other would be, "why the N64 failed" and you will see that the Nintendo fanboy is not rational as they will threadcrap the first and ignore or chime in with light debate material on the second.

[Raedon]

first off, I want to ask your age.
second, I want to know what kind of computer you first owned.

that being said The C64 was expensive when it was released 2 years before the NES. By 1985 the retail price of a C64 and floppy was $200-250 and the NES was what, $299.99. Also at that time there were 100's of people in every city trying to sell them off because They had found a better computer, usually a PC with a Hard Diskor Mac. Some just couldn't figure out how to use it to balance a check book (remember, these were not simple items for joe, no gamer to use.) You could easily pick up a used C64 with a floppy, tape, printer, and monitor for $200 used when the NES came out. And a C64 always came with 20-40 floppies of pirated software..


Whats your take on why Big N inspires this kind of rabid fanboyism?

People idolized the idea of the original Nintendo, not the games I guess sometimes. You can put up two posts, one whould be "Nintendo is in trouble." and the other would be, "why the N64 failed" and you will see that the Nintendo fanboy is not rational as they will threadcrap the first and ignore or chime in with light debate material on the second.

[Evil E]

Sometimes you just gotta say "two tears in a bucket", and be done with it.

[Evil E]

Sometimes you just gotta say "two tears in a bucket", and be done with it.

[Half Japanese]

I love Zelda, Metroid, Mario, and I will love them in the future when they are on whatever console is around, but if they play lake the GC versions (minus Metroid, which rocks) forget it.

A-fucking-MEN! One thing that irks me about Nintendo is their reliance on familiar faces and franchises. I don't mind it ever so often, but do we really need 5 goddamn Mario Parties? And adding a squirtgun to a fat plumber's back doesn't make a compelling experience. In Retro Studios we trust, Metroid was fantastic! (and so was the recent GBA one). I have a little bit of love for Nintendo, as that's what I grew up playing (until the Genesis/SNES wars, when my parent's Christmas present of a Genesis decided that I'd be on Sega's side for that round, which I don't regret or take for granted at all). I will not, however, defend very blatant errors and sales numbers and call every reviewer who doesn't give the Big N's first party efforts glowing reviews a fucktard. Play what's fun, buy what you can and shut the fuck up.




Sorry, I probably overdid it with language there.

[Half Japanese]

I love Zelda, Metroid, Mario, and I will love them in the future when they are on whatever console is around, but if they play lake the GC versions (minus Metroid, which rocks) forget it.

A-fucking-MEN! One thing that irks me about Nintendo is their reliance on familiar faces and franchises. I don't mind it ever so often, but do we really need 5 goddamn Mario Parties? And adding a squirtgun to a fat plumber's back doesn't make a compelling experience. In Retro Studios we trust, Metroid was fantastic! (and so was the recent GBA one). I have a little bit of love for Nintendo, as that's what I grew up playing (until the Genesis/SNES wars, when my parent's Christmas present of a Genesis decided that I'd be on Sega's side for that round, which I don't regret or take for granted at all). I will not, however, defend very blatant errors and sales numbers and call every reviewer who doesn't give the Big N's first party efforts glowing reviews a fucktard. Play what's fun, buy what you can and shut the fuck up.




Sorry, I probably overdid it with language there.

[Dahne]

There will be no Nintendo medal of honor that will be posthumously awarded to you for your years of service.

First I'm told that the thousands of ET cartridges in the landfill got squished so I can't go out and dig up a bunch, now this. Do you guys take some special joy in destroying my dreams?

[Dahne]

There will be no Nintendo medal of honor that will be posthumously awarded to you for your years of service.

First I'm told that the thousands of ET cartridges in the landfill got squished so I can't go out and dig up a bunch, now this. Do you guys take some special joy in destroying my dreams?

[Bratwurst]

I want to hear Nvrmore's stance on this.. because she is the only person qualified to talk about nintendo.. She told me so herself!

I've been keeping an eye out for her response to this as well. Hmm mostly absent.

The way I see it people who are quick to defend their chosen product or bash another consistently, do so out of insecurity concerning their decision. It's a peer pressure thing. 'Product' in this case sometimes overlapping into brand name.

[Bratwurst]

I want to hear Nvrmore's stance on this.. because she is the only person qualified to talk about nintendo.. She told me so herself!

I've been keeping an eye out for her response to this as well. Hmm mostly absent.

The way I see it people who are quick to defend their chosen product or bash another consistently, do so out of insecurity concerning their decision. It's a peer pressure thing. 'Product' in this case sometimes overlapping into brand name.

[Ed Oscuro]

I can rationalize that I want to see Nintendo bashing brought to an absolute standstill because I don't want people to lack confidence in the system and possibly consider buying one...but of course that's NOT what motivates the fanboy. Yeah, essentially what Bratwurst says is the case, it's a really hard thing to quantify. You stepped on my dreams...my childhood...the company that I LIKE, so you're going DOWN! I suppose that's it, really.

[Ed Oscuro]

I can rationalize that I want to see Nintendo bashing brought to an absolute standstill because I don't want people to lack confidence in the system and possibly consider buying one...but of course that's NOT what motivates the fanboy. Yeah, essentially what Bratwurst says is the case, it's a really hard thing to quantify. You stepped on my dreams...my childhood...the company that I LIKE, so you're going DOWN! I suppose that's it, really.

[josekortez]

Call me delusional, call my response the raving of a madman, but I think that I need to respond to the topic. I'm not responding to this question based on what any particular individual said, but here goes:

I consider myself a long-time Nintendo fan since it was the first system I ever owned, but in all honesty, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, and Zelda didn't do anything for me. I've tried to force myself to play them all, but none of them has gotten much of my time. At the same time, I would never hope for the end of the company. The aforementioned franchises have become institutions, and even with the cookie-cutters like Mario Party, the Cube has taken chances, or rather the developers are still taking chances on it (i.e. Cubivore, Monkey Ball, Gotcha Force, Ikaruga, Viewtiful Joe) not unlike the Dreamcast (R.I.P.).

As far as the past, I keep thinking about the SMB 3 commercial where millions of people stood together and screamed "Mario!" The ad campaign worked so well because people believed it back then, and well, everybody wanted to own SMB 3. These days, seeing Mario on the presidential deus on a commercial doesn't move me at all, so I guess what I'm saying is that a lot of people view the old days with rose-colored glasses. I'm sure I'm going to catch hell, but even the first 4 SMB games don't grab me like they did when I was a kid (this is my personal opinion).

There's a big world out there (i.e. other consoles). I mean, I used to say I'd never own a PlayStation anything, but after the games got reallly cheap, I finally broke down and gave the system a chance, and I don't regret it. I still hate the Dual Shock, but every system has its good points and its bad ponts. I just wish that people would do the same for the Cube and, yes, even the Xbox. I used to talk crap about the Xbox when I worked in retail because all of my co-workers owned one, but I'm glad I have one now because it's quickly starting to become my second fave console. I would suggest that people leave the siding-up to the politicians...

[josekortez]

Call me delusional, call my response the raving of a madman, but I think that I need to respond to the topic. I'm not responding to this question based on what any particular individual said, but here goes:

I consider myself a long-time Nintendo fan since it was the first system I ever owned, but in all honesty, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, and Zelda didn't do anything for me. I've tried to force myself to play them all, but none of them has gotten much of my time. At the same time, I would never hope for the end of the company. The aforementioned franchises have become institutions, and even with the cookie-cutters like Mario Party, the Cube has taken chances, or rather the developers are still taking chances on it (i.e. Cubivore, Monkey Ball, Gotcha Force, Ikaruga, Viewtiful Joe) not unlike the Dreamcast (R.I.P.).

As far as the past, I keep thinking about the SMB 3 commercial where millions of people stood together and screamed "Mario!" The ad campaign worked so well because people believed it back then, and well, everybody wanted to own SMB 3. These days, seeing Mario on the presidential deus on a commercial doesn't move me at all, so I guess what I'm saying is that a lot of people view the old days with rose-colored glasses. I'm sure I'm going to catch hell, but even the first 4 SMB games don't grab me like they did when I was a kid (this is my personal opinion).

There's a big world out there (i.e. other consoles). I mean, I used to say I'd never own a PlayStation anything, but after the games got reallly cheap, I finally broke down and gave the system a chance, and I don't regret it. I still hate the Dual Shock, but every system has its good points and its bad ponts. I just wish that people would do the same for the Cube and, yes, even the Xbox. I used to talk crap about the Xbox when I worked in retail because all of my co-workers owned one, but I'm glad I have one now because it's quickly starting to become my second fave console. I would suggest that people leave the siding-up to the politicians...

[ubersaurus]

I really find the whole 'fanboy' attitude extremely immature. Sony fanboys, MS fanboys, Sega fanboys, Nintendo fanboys, it doesn't matter. There are subtle differences between them but they are all still very much the same. There's a difference between respectfully giving a personal opinion on why you may not like a certain console, and blatantly bashing it with no reasoning whatsoever. It's really getting old.

Right on, fangirl! ;)


I personally don't think any one console is superior to another. Like many others here, I own several consoles both old and new and I enjoy them all for different reasons. Why not just enjoy the systems and game we have for what they are instead of acting like a bunch of little brats?

I share this opinion with you to the letter. I have my favorites but I enjoy ALL of my consoles. I think people who really understand the timelessness of video gaming understand this as well. Those who don't get caught up in the moment defending either the system they currently own (because that HAS to be the best one) or the company who created the system they first owned (techno-religion). I don't get it, and I don't want to get it. I just want to play and discuss games with others who want to play.

So Gamegirl.... wanna play? :kiss:

You don't enjoy that CDI and you know it. NO ONE can enjoy the Vis @_@

[ubersaurus]

I really find the whole 'fanboy' attitude extremely immature. Sony fanboys, MS fanboys, Sega fanboys, Nintendo fanboys, it doesn't matter. There are subtle differences between them but they are all still very much the same. There's a difference between respectfully giving a personal opinion on why you may not like a certain console, and blatantly bashing it with no reasoning whatsoever. It's really getting old.

Right on, fangirl! ;)


I personally don't think any one console is superior to another. Like many others here, I own several consoles both old and new and I enjoy them all for different reasons. Why not just enjoy the systems and game we have for what they are instead of acting like a bunch of little brats?

I share this opinion with you to the letter. I have my favorites but I enjoy ALL of my consoles. I think people who really understand the timelessness of video gaming understand this as well. Those who don't get caught up in the moment defending either the system they currently own (because that HAS to be the best one) or the company who created the system they first owned (techno-religion). I don't get it, and I don't want to get it. I just want to play and discuss games with others who want to play.

So Gamegirl.... wanna play? :kiss:

You don't enjoy that CDI and you know it. NO ONE can enjoy the Vis @_@

[Ed Oscuro]

Actually, Joe likes his CDI...I think I'm qualified to say that as we discussed the fine points of the system (well, as fine a point as I can manage, you all know me) but this VIS...we'll have to see about that one.

[Ed Oscuro]

Actually, Joe likes his CDI...I think I'm qualified to say that as we discussed the fine points of the system (well, as fine a point as I can manage, you all know me) but this VIS...we'll have to see about that one.

[le geek]

straying off topic, but as a now 29 yr old the C 64 rocked in the eighties. But I knew Atari 8-bit and Apple II kids as well. The C64 was cheap. The Disk Drive was not!

Atari Fanboys have cooled off since Atari is dead

Dreamcast Fanboys have done the same, I was one to an extent and was pissed off at Sony for a bit... Mainly since the dreamcast had so many cool games not made for the casual gamer and not just a sequel with prettier graphics. Heh, that might have been what killed it...

Nintendo is in a transition period, but I hope they pick up the ball. Hell, I OWN Nintendo stock. But I'll never be a Nintendo Fanboy since my favorite systems are the 2600, C64, and Amiga...

Cheers,
Ben

[le geek]

straying off topic, but as a now 29 yr old the C 64 rocked in the eighties. But I knew Atari 8-bit and Apple II kids as well. The C64 was cheap. The Disk Drive was not!

Atari Fanboys have cooled off since Atari is dead

Dreamcast Fanboys have done the same, I was one to an extent and was pissed off at Sony for a bit... Mainly since the dreamcast had so many cool games not made for the casual gamer and not just a sequel with prettier graphics. Heh, that might have been what killed it...

Nintendo is in a transition period, but I hope they pick up the ball. Hell, I OWN Nintendo stock. But I'll never be a Nintendo Fanboy since my favorite systems are the 2600, C64, and Amiga...

Cheers,
Ben

[WiseSalesman]

Did you just bing me? Fool, I'll cut you! [/bratwurst]

Mind telling me where this quote came from? I wanted to read the original thread, tried many searches and couldn't come up with it.

[WiseSalesman]

Did you just bing me? Fool, I'll cut you! [/bratwurst]

Mind telling me where this quote came from? I wanted to read the original thread, tried many searches and couldn't come up with it.

[Ed Oscuro]

I just tried a search for it...wow, what a nightmarish confusion of posts! O_o

Anyhow, the reply to it was "nah, all you could give me is a bad case of the meat shits," or something very close to that :)

[Ed Oscuro]

I just tried a search for it...wow, what a nightmarish confusion of posts! O_o

Anyhow, the reply to it was "nah, all you could give me is a bad case of the meat shits," or something very close to that :)

[WiseSalesman]

Weird :eek 2: .
Why did someone bing him in the first place? Was this in the BZ (maybe it was deleted).

[WiseSalesman]

Weird :eek 2: .
Why did someone bing him in the first place? Was this in the BZ (maybe it was deleted).

[Ed Oscuro]

It was a "bing bing!" (i.e. "you're correct.") it was quite humorous.

I do think it may have been in the oh-so-missed (:rolleyes: would be appropriate here) BZ forum, though.

[Ed Oscuro]

It was a "bing bing!" (i.e. "you're correct.") it was quite humorous.

I do think it may have been in the oh-so-missed (:rolleyes: would be appropriate here) BZ forum, though.

[NvrMore]

I want to hear Nvrmore's stance on this.. because she is the only person qualified to talk about nintendo.. She told me so herself!


I've been keeping an eye out for her response to this as well. Hmm mostly absent.

Oh gee, there's a surprising turn of events, a fanboy discussion which a number of people hope to openly swing at me, bet you guys miss the BZ, probably been itching for all of the past 12 hours for a chance to have a bitch.

BTW, I can't respond to a topic if I'm unaware of it's presence and/or have not visited the board in the time it has been present - especially if that's only a 12 hour period. Doesn't anyone else have other thing to do other than sitting in front of the computer hitting the refresh button all day.

Alright then, here's a nice looong resonse, as per your eager requests..


The way I see it people who are quick to defend their chosen product or bash another consistently, do so out of insecurity concerning their decision.

When, exactly have I set out to openly bash other consoles?, where exactly are the topics I've created just to pointlessly slag off any console or manufacturer?. When exactly have I dived into a discussion which has been discussing a company or system in a positive way only to cry "fanboys!!" and proceed to bash the focus console/company of the topic.

Frankly, I have no problem with the discussion of N, whether it be good or bad or at least I don't so long as the point is actually discussion. But when it gets to the sate of being that people are creating topics week after week on a regular basis with little more than the intention of bashing something under the guise of "discussion".. it's not a dicussion.

Take a look over the archives of this board, just look at how many threads are created with the sole purpose of bashing N.. look at the number of threads which despite being created just to discuss something non N fuckup related or something someone likes which happens to be N related, are swamped down or sidetracked by posters who suddenly decide they absolutely must bash the company no matter how unrelated it is to the discussion.

Now having a high number of threads created bashing N or anyone/anything else isn't neccesarily a bad thing, or at least it wouldn't be if they weren't all the same damn discussions, poorly guised under a different pretext, dragging over exactly the same things that have been said/discussed/argued to death in the countless threads before, some of which being less that even a week old!.

It's not the so-called Fanboys that are dragging this sh!t up week after week. Hell if anyone really thinks there's such a problem with "rabid fanboys" on the site then please explain to me why the exact same topics and arguments are dragged constantly, not by the so called fanboys but by the same damn people over and over again.. seems like if you're aware of such a terrible fanboy problem the by dragging up the same inflammatory points again and again, irrespective of their previously having been discussed is just flame baiting.

And then there the fact that those who so eagerly create such topics or launching to N based discussions with an equally unrelated bash are so quick to call anyone who disagrees with them a fanboy, irrespective of the other persons attempts to discuss the matter.

Indeed, using the term "fanboy" seems to be the favorite excuse for those seeking to bash the matter uninterrupted, usually being used to label anyone questioning the bashing, making argument against it or (in the cases where the bashing is particularily poorly founded) pointing out the poor basis of the bashing. Apparently it seems to be quite the proverbial get out of jail free card, cry fanboy and claim victimization *ka-ching*.

Seeing as Raedon is itching to stir up a little commotion, let's take the example of his last two "topics" (don't worry mods, I'll keep it nice and civil and to the point).

Creating a thread in which you declare why something, in this case N, will fail/is a bit shit and then essentially just listing a few reasons why they suck (I believe Bratwurst described doing such as fanboy behaviour but I guess it's different.. for some special, magical reason)

Ok, everyone's entitled to their opinion, granted the topic is a bit shallow and claims to be seeking the opinions of people on what they think N is doing wrong/why they will fail. Unfortunately, there had already been numerous threads in which people had discussed at length such matters (indeed a few of the recent threads even reached 5+ pages in discussion), but that doesn't matter because obviously the same N sucks remarks must be made again and the past viewpoints made against such arguments are completely dismissable because those who didn't bash were just *keyword* fanboys.

Indeed to avoid the possibility of someone interrupting the bashing and/or contemplating taking the opposite viewpoint, let's ward them off by declaring "fanboy free" *keyword*

Yeah, lets start a bashing topic off by throwing out a flame that can be directed towards anyone who doesn't take the bashing stance. Starting a topic with a flame.. nice. Opening with a flame directed at possible disagreement.. yeah, that's really looking for discussion, everyone knows discussion doesn't involve opposing viewpoints.

Then of course, not much more than a week later (that's consistancy for you) the same person, creates essentially the same topic under the guise of "see, see, they agree with me". Essentially the same topic, we're straight back at the same damn thing, in which the same points will be dragged over again and those eager bashers will cry fanboy to dismiss anyone not joining in agreement.. and of course, right there in the thread title is the usual keyword flame to promote one-sided discussion. YAY!!

(hmm, probably getting a tad too sarcastic there).

Interesting question is.. if people are aware of a high level of fanboys on the site and there is such a high number bashing threads and frequency of their being posted.. does that mean this board also has a high number of flame baiters, trolls and stirrers or is it just the "fanboys" psychically forcing "innocents" (remember the *keyword* is indicative of innocence and victimhood) into the creation of threads which the so-called fanboys would logically take issue with O_O

..

"Fanboys!"

"Think of the children!, won't somebody please think of the children!!"

[NvrMore]

I want to hear Nvrmore's stance on this.. because she is the only person qualified to talk about nintendo.. She told me so herself!


I've been keeping an eye out for her response to this as well. Hmm mostly absent.

Oh gee, there's a surprising turn of events, a fanboy discussion which a number of people hope to openly swing at me, bet you guys miss the BZ, probably been itching for all of the past 12 hours for a chance to have a bitch.

BTW, I can't respond to a topic if I'm unaware of it's presence and/or have not visited the board in the time it has been present - especially if that's only a 12 hour period. Doesn't anyone else have other thing to do other than sitting in front of the computer hitting the refresh button all day.

Alright then, here's a nice looong resonse, as per your eager requests..


The way I see it people who are quick to defend their chosen product or bash another consistently, do so out of insecurity concerning their decision.

When, exactly have I set out to openly bash other consoles?, where exactly are the topics I've created just to pointlessly slag off any console or manufacturer?. When exactly have I dived into a discussion which has been discussing a company or system in a positive way only to cry "fanboys!!" and proceed to bash the focus console/company of the topic.

Frankly, I have no problem with the discussion of N, whether it be good or bad or at least I don't so long as the point is actually discussion. But when it gets to the sate of being that people are creating topics week after week on a regular basis with little more than the intention of bashing something under the guise of "discussion".. it's not a dicussion.

Take a look over the archives of this board, just look at how many threads are created with the sole purpose of bashing N.. look at the number of threads which despite being created just to discuss something non N fuckup related or something someone likes which happens to be N related, are swamped down or sidetracked by posters who suddenly decide they absolutely must bash the company no matter how unrelated it is to the discussion.

Now having a high number of threads created bashing N or anyone/anything else isn't neccesarily a bad thing, or at least it wouldn't be if they weren't all the same damn discussions, poorly guised under a different pretext, dragging over exactly the same things that have been said/discussed/argued to death in the countless threads before, some of which being less that even a week old!.

It's not the so-called Fanboys that are dragging this sh!t up week after week. Hell if anyone really thinks there's such a problem with "rabid fanboys" on the site then please explain to me why the exact same topics and arguments are dragged constantly, not by the so called fanboys but by the same damn people over and over again.. seems like if you're aware of such a terrible fanboy problem the by dragging up the same inflammatory points again and again, irrespective of their previously having been discussed is just flame baiting.

And then there the fact that those who so eagerly create such topics or launching to N based discussions with an equally unrelated bash are so quick to call anyone who disagrees with them a fanboy, irrespective of the other persons attempts to discuss the matter.

Indeed, using the term "fanboy" seems to be the favorite excuse for those seeking to bash the matter uninterrupted, usually being used to label anyone questioning the bashing, making argument against it or (in the cases where the bashing is particularily poorly founded) pointing out the poor basis of the bashing. Apparently it seems to be quite the proverbial get out of jail free card, cry fanboy and claim victimization *ka-ching*.

Seeing as Raedon is itching to stir up a little commotion, let's take the example of his last two "topics" (don't worry mods, I'll keep it nice and civil and to the point).

Creating a thread in which you declare why something, in this case N, will fail/is a bit shit and then essentially just listing a few reasons why they suck (I believe Bratwurst described doing such as fanboy behaviour but I guess it's different.. for some special, magical reason)

Ok, everyone's entitled to their opinion, granted the topic is a bit shallow and claims to be seeking the opinions of people on what they think N is doing wrong/why they will fail. Unfortunately, there had already been numerous threads in which people had discussed at length such matters (indeed a few of the recent threads even reached 5+ pages in discussion), but that doesn't matter because obviously the same N sucks remarks must be made again and the past viewpoints made against such arguments are completely dismissable because those who didn't bash were just *keyword* fanboys.

Indeed to avoid the possibility of someone interrupting the bashing and/or contemplating taking the opposite viewpoint, let's ward them off by declaring "fanboy free" *keyword*

Yeah, lets start a bashing topic off by throwing out a flame that can be directed towards anyone who doesn't take the bashing stance. Starting a topic with a flame.. nice. Opening with a flame directed at possible disagreement.. yeah, that's really looking for discussion, everyone knows discussion doesn't involve opposing viewpoints.

Then of course, not much more than a week later (that's consistancy for you) the same person, creates essentially the same topic under the guise of "see, see, they agree with me". Essentially the same topic, we're straight back at the same damn thing, in which the same points will be dragged over again and those eager bashers will cry fanboy to dismiss anyone not joining in agreement.. and of course, right there in the thread title is the usual keyword flame to promote one-sided discussion. YAY!!

(hmm, probably getting a tad too sarcastic there).

Interesting question is.. if people are aware of a high level of fanboys on the site and there is such a high number bashing threads and frequency of their being posted.. does that mean this board also has a high number of flame baiters, trolls and stirrers or is it just the "fanboys" psychically forcing "innocents" (remember the *keyword* is indicative of innocence and victimhood) into the creation of threads which the so-called fanboys would logically take issue with O_O

..

"Fanboys!"

"Think of the children!, won't somebody please think of the children!!"

[Dark Dragon]

it's a power struggle

[Dark Dragon]

it's a power struggle

[Dark Dragon]

I would say it looks that way too, that some people want to stir things up. Usually it starts out with, I'm not here to bash so and so, but.. or I actually like this company's product so I'm the last person who would flame them, though recently... ect...

[Dark Dragon]

I would say it looks that way too, that some people want to stir things up. Usually it starts out with, I'm not here to bash so and so, but.. or I actually like this company's product so I'm the last person who would flame them, though recently... ect...

[ghsqb]

first off, I want to ask your age.

31


second, I want to know what kind of computer you first owned.

Believe it or not, my first computer was a 286 PC :embarrassed:

To make matters worse, despite the fact that I have 2 C64's at home, I have yet to plug one in and try them.
So even to this day, I have yet to discover the joys of the C64. :embarrassed:



People idolized the idea of the original Nintendo, not the games I guess sometimes. You can put up two posts, one whould be "Nintendo is in trouble." and the other would be, "why the N64 failed" and you will see that the Nintendo fanboy is not rational as they will threadcrap the first and ignore or chime in with light debate material on the second.

Thats a good point.
But the point I made above about Nintendo being synonymous with video games for some people, and having those early memories indelibly linked with Nintendo...check this (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24739&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=) out.
Not 1 day after I post my "theory" it gets confirmed right here, check the the post by nesuser2.

Not saying theres anything wrong with that, or with nesuser2, but it pretty much proves exactly what I was saying.

Good discussion so far though, some really solid points being brought up so far.

[ghsqb]

first off, I want to ask your age.

31


second, I want to know what kind of computer you first owned.

Believe it or not, my first computer was a 286 PC :embarrassed:

To make matters worse, despite the fact that I have 2 C64's at home, I have yet to plug one in and try them.
So even to this day, I have yet to discover the joys of the C64. :embarrassed:



People idolized the idea of the original Nintendo, not the games I guess sometimes. You can put up two posts, one whould be "Nintendo is in trouble." and the other would be, "why the N64 failed" and you will see that the Nintendo fanboy is not rational as they will threadcrap the first and ignore or chime in with light debate material on the second.

Thats a good point.
But the point I made above about Nintendo being synonymous with video games for some people, and having those early memories indelibly linked with Nintendo...check this (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24739&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=) out.
Not 1 day after I post my "theory" it gets confirmed right here, check the the post by nesuser2.

Not saying theres anything wrong with that, or with nesuser2, but it pretty much proves exactly what I was saying.

Good discussion so far though, some really solid points being brought up so far.

[Bratwurst]

Thank you for clarifying that one thing for me, NvrMore.

The bing bing quip was part of some exchange between Captain Wrong and I and yes, lost forever with the absolution of the BattleZone.

[Bratwurst]

Thank you for clarifying that one thing for me, NvrMore.

The bing bing quip was part of some exchange between Captain Wrong and I and yes, lost forever with the absolution of the BattleZone.

[Captain Wrong]

The bing bing quip was part of some exchange between Captain Wrong and I and yes, lost forever with the absolution of the BattleZone.

Is that right? Huh. I really think I've forgotten more than most people know.

[Captain Wrong]

The bing bing quip was part of some exchange between Captain Wrong and I and yes, lost forever with the absolution of the BattleZone.

Is that right? Huh. I really think I've forgotten more than most people know.

[Captain Wrong]

wait, this jogged my memory...


Anyhow, the reply to it was "nah, all you could give me is a bad case of the meat shits," or something very close to that :)


OK, it's all clear now.


BING BING BING!!!!




and I'm not appologizing for thread jacking because I think discussing my inability to digest meat is FAR more interesting and will ultimately accomplish more than participating in this discussion! So there!

[Captain Wrong]

wait, this jogged my memory...


Anyhow, the reply to it was "nah, all you could give me is a bad case of the meat shits," or something very close to that :)


OK, it's all clear now.


BING BING BING!!!!




and I'm not appologizing for thread jacking because I think discussing my inability to digest meat is FAR more interesting and will ultimately accomplish more than participating in this discussion! So there!

[NvrMore]

Hmm.. seems those questions must go unanswered.

On a side note, interesting that those who claim to be the innocent victims of personal attacks seem to be so eager to do just that, even so much as digging up old threads out of desperataion.
Pretty Ironic, given that they chase mods around like a child tugging at the teachers coat, hiding behind them crying innocence and asking them to get rid of the meanies.

(Sorry mods, but it's better than interrupting all the other threads just to address each occurrence - at least I leave it in the threads it started in)

[NvrMore]

Hmm.. seems those questions must go unanswered.

On a side note, interesting that those who claim to be the innocent victims of personal attacks seem to be so eager to do just that, even so much as digging up old threads out of desperataion.
Pretty Ironic, given that they chase mods around like a child tugging at the teachers coat, hiding behind them crying innocence and asking them to get rid of the meanies.

(Sorry mods, but it's better than interrupting all the other threads just to address each occurrence - at least I leave it in the threads it started in)

[Raedon]

5 A=A+1
10 If Nvrmore then B=1
20 if B = 1 THEN GOTO 40
30 READ A
40 B=0
50 GOTO 5


My god, it actually works :eek 2: Ignore the poster completely and you save yourself from the trolling.

[Raedon]

5 A=A+1
10 If Nvrmore then B=1
20 if B = 1 THEN GOTO 40
30 READ A
40 B=0
50 GOTO 5


My god, it actually works :eek 2: Ignore the poster completely and you save yourself from the trolling.

[NvrMore]

My god, it actually works :eek 2: Ignore the poster completely and you save yourself from the trolling.

Trolling, that would be repeatedly posting material which you know will result in a adverse reaction.. you say you know there are so called fanboys yet you repeatedly post the same topic which you know will draw such a reaction.

Pot.. Kettle.. black LOL

oh sh!t sorry, that was kind of on topic.

Sure you wouldn't just prefer to make petty little flames in random topics and cry victim to a mod, go tug on the apron strangs and ask them nicely "please ban the meanie"