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Anthony1
01-03-2004, 01:01 AM
Most systems that I can think of, have had their games pirated in one form or another.

I'll examine it system by system, for all the systems that I own.


1. Atari 2600 - I'm not sure if any 2600 carts were pirated back in the day. I'm sure that some must have been pirated, considering the popularity, and all the money that could have been had. But I don't have any specific knowledge. Of course, you can play the roms on a PC, whether you own the game or not, and that is a form of piracy.

2. NES - Well, we all know about all the pirate NES carts that are out there. 50 games on 1 cart, etc, etc. And of course you can play the roms on a PC.

3. TurboGrafx-16 - This is an interesting one. I don't know about people pirating any Hu-Cards. But because the PC-Engine was huge in Asia, I'm sure that it was done. Of course you can play the roms.

4. Sega Genesis - I definitely know that there were backup devices in the days of the Genesis. And you can play the roms

5. Super Nintendo - same as Genesis.

6. Sega CD - Well, at the time CD burners were the price of a new car or even more, so only a huge pirate syndicate could make dubs of Sega CD games, but I would have to assume that it happened. Now of course, people can play CD-R's with no mod chip needed, and they can also play the games on a PC. Although, I don't really understand how they do that. I know it has something to do with ISO images and stuff, but I don't understand that stuff.

7. 3DO - The 3DO was in the same boat as the Sega CD, when it came to copying the games. CD burners still cost a fortune at that point, so there wasn't a lot of that going on. Also, the 3DO was never big in Asia, so they might have never bothered with Piracy on it. I would imagine that late in the life of the 3DO, some people in the U.S. were copying games. But I don't know for sure. Can 3DO games be played on the PC, like people do with Sega CD games, and the whole ISO thing? I don't know about that.

8. Atari Jaguar - Ok, now I personally would have to think that the Atari Jaguar is the oldest system that has never been pirated. I don't think the cart's ever got copied, supposedly the CD games are impossible to copy, and it was never big in Asia. I don't know of any Jaguar Emulator for the PC that plays Roms. Maybe there is one out there by now, but I don't know of any. So I'm thinking that the Jaguar is one system that never had their games copied. Am I wrong?

9. Sega 32X - The 32X had such a short lifespan, that I don't think anybody got around to making any kind of backup device for it. Certainly the 32X CD games could easily be copied, but I don't know about anybody making copies of the carts. I do believe that there are emulators that will play 32x games, so you can also play the roms.

10. Sega Saturn - I know that people could copy Saturn games with a CD burner. They would only play with a mod chip. So people definitely pirated Saturn games. I also believe that people can get the ISO images of the net and make Saturn games with them. But like I said earlier, I don't really know about the whole ISO thing. As far as I know, there isn't any Saturn Emulator. Is there?

11. Sony Playstation - This console was the king of piracy. People needed to have a mod chip, or do the swap technique, but CD burners came down in price, right when the PS1 was hitting it's stride. I'm sure Sony lost a helluva lot of money to piracy with the ps1.

12. Nintendo 64 - The N64 eventually had back up devices, and then there was the emulator for 3DFX PC's, that caused all that commotion. But for the most part I don't think Nintendo suffered the kind of losses to piracy that Sony did with the PS1.

13. Sega Dreamcast - The Dreamcast used a special type of CD-Rom drive that made copying their games very difficult. From what I understand people eventually figured out a way to put DC games on a CD-R. But I don't know how they did it, or anything else about it. As for a DC emulator, I don't know of any.

14. PS2 - I know that people are making dubs of some of the PS2 games

15. XBOX - I know that people are dubbing some XBOX games.

16. GameCube - I've heard that people know some weird way of how to copy these games, but I don't understand how they do it

LazingBlazers
01-03-2004, 01:28 AM
Casio Loopy??? Because even Asian girls aren't that devoted???

Anthony1
01-03-2004, 01:44 AM
Just to continue with the first post, I was typing it up, but then I had to get my baby who was crying in the other room, so I couldn't finsih it.


But basically, I was going to say that in conclusion, it appears that the Atari Jaguar is the only system that I can think of, from the systems listed above, that has never been pirated. Like I said, I don't know of any Jag emulators. Maybe there are some Jag emulators, but I don't know of them.


Also, which of the above systems can't be emulated in any way, shape or form on the PC?

I'm guessing that the PS2 can't yet be emulated. You would think that there would be a way to emulate the XBOX, but I don't know of any. I don't know of any GameCube emulators, or Dreamcast Emulators.

I guess Bleem is like a PS1 emulator, so the PS1 has a emulator. I know that there are emulators for the N64. What about the Sega Saturn? Are there emulators for the Saturn, where you can put a Saturn game in your PC Cd drive and be able to play a Saturn game without a Saturn? I don't know of any, but it doesn't mean there aren't any.

Or a 3DO emulator? I don't know of any.

Buyatari
01-03-2004, 01:54 AM
I've never seen one for any of these

Odyssey 1
Adventurevision
Vectrex
Fairchild
Atari 5200
Atari Lynx
Atari Jag
Neo Geo (except Arcade to home hacks)
32X

How about TG-16 hu cards ?

Nick Goracke
01-03-2004, 02:08 AM
Or a 3DO emulator? I don't know of any.

IIRC, one was just released in the last month or so. I don't think there's a PCFX one at this point, but from what I've read, it's coming...

Are we counting the Virtual Boy as a console? Can't imagine such an emulator even being possible... I'm sure you could get games to run on a computer monitor without too much trouble, but how would you achieve that 3D effect?

Buyatari - there is no shortage of Neo Geo bootlegs, unfortunately. Go on eBay and search for SvC or SSV MVS carts right now... plenty available, all boots. I've never seen a cartridge system that had this big of a problem, in fact...

davidbrit2
01-03-2004, 02:13 AM
Have the Microvision games even been dumped, let alone bootlegged?

dmhawkmoon
01-03-2004, 04:06 AM
Neo Geo (except Arcade to home hacks)


The Neo-Geo has a huge problem with pirating. Bootlegs are all over the place, especially in the MVS market for recent games.

Never buy Neo-Geo games without asking if they are boots, and never buy from Caroles Collectables. Carole is the mother of one of the biggest pirates known to the Neo-Geo scene and she lets him use her name.

oesiii
01-03-2004, 07:56 AM
There is a working Jag emulator:

http://www.icculus.org/virtualjaguar/

In fact two of them were released last year and they both play some games fine with 20-30fps. I'm sure they will get better over time.

There are pirate Jag carts as well but it sort of like your expensive CD burner analogy. There are a few people out there with flash carts for the Jag that dump and share unreleased games. They also can make carts of commerical games and I'm sure it's been done since the launch of the Jag. But it's pretty expensive to get a flashcart or a blank Jag eprom (those chips the Jag uses are still expensive) for the most part, conveinent thing is that it usually hooks up through your PC's parallel port so need for a burner.

I have a feeling that there's always a small group of people that can pirate any system. It may not be as prevalent as PSX or Dreamcast piracy but there's even Lynx and Jag bootlegs out there, the only difference is mainstream interest so most people aren't aware in the case of the Lynx/Jag.

BoOchan
01-03-2004, 09:51 AM
What about the N64 DD..?

Flack
01-03-2004, 11:26 AM
I'll try and keep this somewhat organized.

I have copiers or flash rom carts for the Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and Sega Genesis. My Genesis one also plays 32X roms games just fine. I can also personally vouch for Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, XBox, and Gamecube. Yeah, I'm evil like that and all.

I didn't see anyone mention Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advanced, but with flash roms and the sort, you can check them off.

I also have Atari 5200 and Vectrex emulators (on my GP32, no less), so mark those off the list.

@Emulation: None of the 3 next-gen consoles have been emulated with any amazing results, but there are no less than three Gamecube emulators in the works. The best one shows title screens and wireframes, the others don't do that much. On the original PSX, there are 100% PSX emulators for the PC, all of which have surpassed Bleem.

@Dreamcast: Here's the 30 second version. Dreamcast games came on GD-Rom discs, which could not be read in PCs. Eventually pirates figured out how to use the built-in 56k modem to dump games from the DC to a PC, which were then burned to CDR. With a boot disc (written in Windows CE, IIRC), you could boot your DC and then insert the CDR, and it would play. This was streamlined in two major ways; 1, using the broadband adapter instead of the 56k modem greatly increased speed, and 2, incorporating the "boot code" on each ISO, eliminating the need for a separate boot disc.

As far as I know, the Dreamcast is the only CD based console that you can pirate games on/for without having to modify it in any way.

AB Positive
01-03-2004, 01:18 PM
Lesse...

There is a Virtua Boy emulator that works, cross that off the list.


Although I have a system that may very well be unpiratable. I've tried to find emulators and can't and have never heard of any pirate carts for it.

Tiger R-Zone

Do I get a cookie? :D

-AG

Nick Goracke
01-03-2004, 01:22 PM
On the original PSX, there are 100% PSX emulators for the PC, all of which have surpassed Bleem.


Which ones? I'm looking for a nice emu that has a "fast-forward" feature. I was playing FF7 the other day and just thinking about how nice it would be to replay this game without having to wait for the pre-battle camera swirl and long summons... Is there such a thing? I've seen the feature on other emu's for cart-based systems, but...

esquire
01-03-2004, 01:33 PM
As far as I know, the Dreamcast is the only CD based console that you can pirate games on/for without having to modify it in any way.

Well you can easily copy 3DO, NEO-GEO CD, TurboGrafx/PC-Engine CD, CD-i, and Sega CD (including 32X CD) games. Best yet, no ripping is needed. The games can be read by a PC cdrom, unlike the Dreamcast GD-Roms. No modchips were needed for any of those systems.

Atari 2600 was pirated back in its day. My brother had an eeprom burner. You could burn games onto an eeprom and then set it in an empty cart that had a clamp down switch to hold the chip in.

Ze_ro
01-03-2004, 03:54 PM
As far as I know, the Dreamcast is the only CD based console that you can pirate games on/for without having to modify it in any way.

Well you can easily copy 3DO, NEO-GEO CD, TurboGrafx/PC-Engine CD, CD-i, and Sega CD (including 32X CD) games.

Has anyone tried copying Jaguar CD games?

--Zero

CitizenWhite
01-03-2004, 05:33 PM
On the original PSX, there are 100% PSX emulators for the PC, all of which have surpassed Bleem.


Which ones? I'm looking for a nice emu that has a "fast-forward" feature. I was playing FF7 the other day and just thinking about how nice it would be to replay this game without having to wait for the pre-battle camera swirl and long summons... Is there such a thing? I've seen the feature on other emu's for cart-based systems, but...

Well... The thing with PSone emulators is that they don't always work well. My friend, the first time he was going to play FF7, he tried it on an emulator and it nearly ruined the experience. They do run well enough to play, it just won't be perfect. If you want FF7 on PC, get the PC version... but then again there is no fast forward. I'd say, enjoy the intro music.

Flack
01-03-2004, 05:49 PM
Check out ePSXe. It's pretty darn good, once you get it working.

davidbrit2
01-03-2004, 05:54 PM
Check out ePSXe. It's pretty darn good, once you get it working.

Definitely. I was actually able to run a few Beatmania games effectively with it, and it didn't have any synch issues.

Ed Oscuro
01-03-2004, 11:45 PM
Have the Microvision games even been dumped, let alone bootlegged?

Yep, but dunno about having been bootlegged (seriously doubt that).

Also...rofl @ thought of Atari 2600 games not having been pirated...I mean, come on...

Pretty much every popular console has been pirated...and probably most of the unpopular ones as well, but that's probably somebody messing around in their garage and not working seriously.

hu6800
01-04-2004, 05:06 AM
TurboDuo CD's were able to be copied years ago
first known hardware

scsi adaptec 2940 controller
Yamaha 400c recorder
Plextor 12Plex reader

first known software

Padus Diskjuggler (anything else had a habit of cutting the 4 second audio gap indexing)

total price to pull this off... $950
anywheres from $15 to $30 for a copy of dracula X
pulling in about $600 a week in orders.
this was before the turbocompendium existed.

These were the hardest of the game cd's to copy back in the day.

hu6800
01-04-2004, 05:07 AM
As far as I know, the Dreamcast is the only CD based console that you can pirate games on/for without having to modify it in any way.

Well you can easily copy 3DO, NEO-GEO CD, TurboGrafx/PC-Engine CD, CD-i, and Sega CD (including 32X CD) games. Best yet, no ripping is needed. The games can be read by a PC cdrom, unlike the Dreamcast GD-Roms. No modchips were needed for any of those systems.

Atari 2600 was pirated back in its day. My brother had an eeprom burner. You could burn games onto an eeprom and then set it in an empty cart that had a clamp down switch to hold the chip in.

You may have trouble with some of the neo geo cd's

You can also bootleg PCFX cd's as well.

oesiii
01-04-2004, 07:14 AM
Has anyone tried copying Jaguar CD games?

--Zero


Yes, they are easy to copy in a program like Alcohol 120% which reads and records the subchannel data (same method to copying Playstation games). I've made backups of my JagCD games and they play just fine on the console.

I think it's strange that I haven't seem .iso's of JagCD games on the net or newsgroups, I mean I have a few I made myself sitting on my harddrive. Everything else is out there, must be a real lack of interest :o

jonjandran
01-04-2004, 09:44 AM
Well... The thing with PSone emulators is that they don't always work well. My friend, the first time he was going to play FF7, he tried it on an emulator and it nearly ruined the experience. They do run well enough to play, it just won't be perfect. If you want FF7 on PC, get the PC version... but then again there is no fast forward. I'd say, enjoy the intro music.

I haven't found a game EmuRayden can't play on the PC .
IMHO it'e the best PS1 emulator available.

By the way it is dependant on the computer speed.
A 266 mhz computer isn't going to do it. I"d say a 1 ghz is probably the bare minimum.

Dangerboy
01-04-2004, 09:51 AM
Game.com emulator's? :)
I'd really like one so I can map out JP:Lost World...ascii maps of that are insane to make...